A Review of some Controversy

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  1. Please read the earlier  post by Wickus about the Canary Islands and the Tsunami risk entitled “Geological Time Bomb”

  2. Comment by Adamantine:
    I wonder how any true prophet of the Bible felt about being a prophet for the first time. They must have had some concern that they were incorrect. Or at least some concern as did Jonah that God might change His mind. For myself I do not think as of yet that I am a prophet. As of now I do not think with certainty that the California earthquake is 11/11/11.
    I recall however on the night of my baptism I had a dream in which “God” told me my future career. Others including the pastor of my church were skeptical. It came to pass….( or I made it come to pass)… hence I foretold the truth and the future In any case it was a forth-telling of the future and many objected that little me should have heard from God. Now should the California earthquake occur then shall I wonder too if this was functioning in the prophetic. I would allow someone who is unsure of prophetic gifts to say so. Personally if I were a Jonah (and in this I may be because I initially thought the California earthquake was coming 11/11/08. California however outlawed homosexual marriage the week before and I was left pondering that God had withheld judgment. The Bible says to desire the spiritual gifts but many Christians do not think they even exist for today. I see far less true spiritual gifting than I would like to see. I am unsure if there are any true prophets in existence today and that would be an argument against it being the end times. It certainly is another reason I would not desire to claim to be a prophet and as such I do not. I would need as much proof as any one else. I need proof that any prophet is one and I have not seen it anywhere. (I may be simply ignorant of who may be a prophet and who may not. Holly on Fulfilled Prophecy I suspect argues against such things. Then again I would like those who are against such things to ponder just what any faith means. It requires faith to pray for something as yet unseen and actually get it. It requires seeing the future faithfulness of God in action. I suspect that anyone who has faith and has seen an answer to their prayer may be functioning in the prophetic. Faith is the assurance of things not seen. On July 14 2007 I saw Gold at 666.00 in answer to prayer it seemed and thought it had prophetic implications that would mean the dollar would cease to be the reserve currency of the world. I suspected that gold would rise in the interim period prior to the setting up of a new world currency. It appears possibly to be a correct interpretation. It may or may not be prophetic. Later in 2007 when I explained this to a pastor he asked if I was a prophet. I answered no with the provision that all true Christians may have some prophetic gifting. If in thinking that God answered my prayer in that it might be prophetic. I said that in faith all Christians might be prophets. In faith all Christians might have the gift of healing. He, I suspect, thought that had I claimed to be a prophet it would have disqualified my comments. I suspect that if someone where a prophet they would eventually not be able to hide it. I simply think if some one speaks in the possible prophetic they should cease to have any financial support from man. That is not what I see defined in the Bible but my opinion.

  3. April 27, 2011 3:17 pm

    Even more Comment by Adamantine:
    I do not find it a problem that there is a prediction by a pastor that the rapture occurs (or whatever on May 21, 2011). Instead I object that this pastor may have had a living provided by others for a lifetime.
    There was a Dr. Eby who died a few years back who wrote a book and taught that God has shown him that he would not die before Christ came back. Well Dr. Eby died. I would hope Dr. Eby made sure he never profited by others who might have thought he was correct. If he made a profit then his was a perfect scam for this world . He was dead and gone by the time he was found out. I do not think it wrong to receive support from the church in preaching the gospel. I think it too great a risk to accept support if one is giving “prophetic” words. Prophetic words are like honey to some actually many immature Christians who look to others for hearing from God. We should all be able to hear from God. I contend that only Noah was righteous and listening. God is no respecter of persons. I will take those who say they are not a prophet at their word and not listen to their “prophetic” words. All the more i will not support their ministry if they are coming out with what may only be seen as a prophetic word.

  4. enforcinghisgrace
    April 29, 2011 8:07 pm

    “I think it too great a risk to accept support if one is giving “prophetic” words. Prophetic words are like honey to some actually many immature Christians who look to others for hearing from God. God is no respecter of persons.
    All the more i will not support their ministry if they are coming out with what may only be seen as a prophetic word.”

    Regarding support & tithes and not meaning to get off track, but does the New Testament even give any scriptural authority to a pastor to take a “tithe” from people?
    Is there even a single example of any church paying a tithe to an apostle, or even a pastor? It simply isn’t there. I believe its a man-made ritual and also believe that after the death of the testator, Jesus Christ, the Christian church was never given the law or ordinance of tithing.
    Have you ever wondered if your pastor tithed and to who? Maybe to his denominational headquarters? Maybe to another pastor? Maybe to his own churches general fund which he administers? Do you think it is OK for him to know and monitor whether YOU tithe or not, yet most folks have not a clue whether Brother Pastor pays his tithe? There is no such thing as “Executive Priviledge” in God’s house.

    • April 29, 2011 8:10 pm
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      Agreed!

      I wish more people will stop following rituals.

      Wickus

  5. Paul
    October 14, 2011 1:51 am
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    A prophet is one who prophecies and 100 percent of his prophecies come to pass…plus he will not reject the commandments of God..or share aything outside of the word of God…

29 thoughts on “A Review of some Controversy”

  1. 1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

    God hath set, and the gifts, are gifts, not worked up or learned or taught by other men.

    Please remember that the body of Christ also is given these workings by the will of the Holy Spirit, not by our will at all. This is the way I read it.

    1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
    1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
    1Co 12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
    1Co 12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
    1Co 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
    1Co 12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
    1Co 12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
    1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
    1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
    1Co 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
    1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
    1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.

    Please read this whole chapter and then the next one too. The Spirit gives as HE wills, for the edification and

    1Co 12:15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
    1Co 12:16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
    1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
    1Co 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
    1Co 12:19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
    1Co 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
    1Co 12:21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
    1Co 12:22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
    1Co 12:23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
    1Co 12:24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:
    1Co 12:25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
    1Co 12:26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
    1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
    1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
    1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
    1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
    1Co 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

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  3. Comment by Wickus:
    There seems to be much confusion in the church today on prophecy. They confuse soothsaying with prophecy. It is in the heart of any man to want to know the future. Man do not like the unknown. I guess that is why astrology is such a huge industry. People who does not trust or know God, wants a word or a sign to hang on to.

    The lukewarm worldly church is full of the “prophetic”. It is because of the state of this church that many, including myself and Romalynn do not want to listen to any of their so called prophecies. The tree is rotten, how can the prophetic fruit be good? These type of churches and their apostolic teachers care nothing about the cross, sin and repentance. They want to keep the flock under their control by uttering foolish words of soothsaying and quote Scripture to “proof” that God is calling up the prophetic and apostolic.

    Friends, the Bible is a dangerous book in the hands of any person. It testifies of itself:

    2 Cor 3:6 “Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.”

    The letter killeth. Powerful stuff, but so true. Without the Holy Spirit making the Word alive in your spirit, the letters in the Bible leads to death. Were do you think the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics and all the different sects comes from? Yes, they all started in the Bible, but because they interpreted the Word without the life giving power of the Holy Spirit, they started religions that leads to death.

    I will suggest the same is happening with the end time church. The apostolic/faith movement started by twisting Scripture to trap people into what they believe. And the people love it because they are looking for preachers to tickle their ears. And because they like it and it soothes the conscious, they clap the clap, sing the song, shout amen, give their faith offerings, go home, live like the devil and go to hell.

    Now I have read the Bible a few times in my life, but prophecies with specific dates in it is scarce. The Lord did not say : On such and such day Rome will destroy the temple”. He just said that not one stone will be left on another. No date, no time. The same with all the end time prophecies and the prophecies related to the first advent of Jesus. So why are so many looking for dates? Why does people want to know what year New York will burn? Is the signs given in the Word not sufficient anymore?

    Now again, if the Lord has shown a person that the date 11/11/11 is important, praise His name and lets look forward and see what happens. But do not test the Lord to insist on dates and times.

    Walking by faith and the prophetic is not the same. I trust God with my life unto death, but I do not know what tomorrow holds. It is because HE knows and I know that He works everything for good for those who trust Him that I can trust Him. I do not need to know the future of my life as I know the One who holds the future in His hands.

    And in the end the words of Jesus echoes in my ears: BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS. Beware beware beware. Do not be mislead. Rather stay away from the gift of prophecy if it is a stumbling block. Beware.

    I have said enough. I do not expect to be popular after this comment and I do not care. Now I will wait for people to correct me. 8)

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  4. Comment by Adamantine:
    I would not seek a date in general either
    EXCEPT
    if one believed as I did at the 99 % level in 2008 that we were in the last seven years then asking for more specific guidance is not so “wrong”. ( Now I am concerned at the 75% level)
    Imagine being trapped in a city with barbarians attacking would you not pray and ask God even to the minute what time to attempt ones escape?
    There is no rule that fits all of the Bibles examples of the prophetic that I am able to make.
    The Christians of AD 66 were told to flee in AD 66 and Lot was told to flee that morning. For the most part I agree that we are to live each day by day as God reveals what is to be known. However Joseph was told that in seven years a famine would come. He was given a time.
    What I also do not accept is that we are to attempt to be any less men of God than Joseph or Daniel. While our true image to copy is Jesus I think we are to copy these figures as well. I made it to marriage as a virgin because of my admiration for Joseph and his character to some degree.
    Maybe Joseph and Daniel asked God for the wisdom to understand dreams.
    I am often praying for wisdom to understand. I do not think anyone has to concern themselves overmuch with my attempt to hear from God on such an issue as a California earthquake.
    Until and unless on 11/12/11.
    Even in the unlikely event this attempt was not answered with a no that does not mean I am to attempt to become a “prophet”. I would take it as a personal guide for what my new activities would be for the remainder of the ENPI.

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  5. Yes, there are times when God gives us guidance. I guess that is were there is a misunderstanding. I see a prophecy in the sense as God telling us what will happen in the future. That is knowledge for the body of Christ and serves as a judge to the unbelievers. And then there is guidance like with Lot, the Jews fleeing in 66 A.D and many other examples from the Bible to current times.

    I remember a time about 14 years ago when God called me to the mission field. As we were on our way to go, we heard the news that my wife’s grandmother passed away. The human way was to stay and go to the funeral as it was expected by family and friends, but if we did, we would have missed the trip. I prayed for guidance and as I finished the prayer I started to read the Word. It was not long before the words of Jesus came up saying: “Let the dead bury their own dead. Come, follow me.” Well, we did as He said and the family were not happy. This is not the best example of guidance, but non the less the Lord spoke and we knew what to do. But this was not prophecy. The two concepts must not be confused with each other.

    And no, it is not wrong to ask for clarification. I am also praying for it. Yes, I am also asking for a sign. We are in the same boat, holding on to a theory that sometimes looks more dead than alive. So don’t stop praying for guidance, never!

    Wickus

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  6. And just to clarify, I do not have any objections about 11/11/11 and it is not my intention to say that you are wrong or mislead about feeling the importance of this date. In fact, a very dear friend of mine reading this posts have the same conviction of the date. I know of some other who also feels the same. So I am in no position to claim that it is not so. I am waiting for that day to arrive with you and all of them.

    And if nothing happens, we move forward and learn from it. But if something big happens, we will have some serious debates on this site, believe you me!!

    Wickus

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  7. this is a very good exchange between you two-wickus and adamantine. because you both are right. it is right to beware of the false and cling to the Word alone as it is the only 100% there is–but it is also right that God gives us things to see and know-to test the spirit of something-in our circumstances to be warned and challenged-but left clinging to His Word for that perfect Peace and Assurance that we have indeed heard from Him in those specifics. personally i believe that unless we have that 100% assurance about prophecy matters there is much that should be left unsaid-i have sometimes committed myself with my mouth and felt need to go through with something without His Peace-that is our flesh alright. it’s humbling but can and will be used for good afterall because the Lord uses things like our shortfalls to show us our dependence upon Him. it can still lead to a humble walk because we must learn to make our moves based only on His Peace in that guidance and not in our feelings which may mislead. my mistakes are good teachers i can testify! let your yea be yea and your nay be nay-either depends upon the person’s assurance in the outset that they have followed exclusively what the Lord has presently revealed and all else will unfold in His Time-that affords further peace to stay on track when that is specifically and greatly challenged but if in doubt at that outset-don’t. adamanatine i’m still learning in this—-but it seems better to hold on patiently to believe something and wait for the Lord to fulfill it-and His Word has that proven track record as i know you believe-than try to run out that scenario in my mind trying to fill in what at present He has left blank. i think you are trying to hard my friend-i don’t think you are one bit wrong for the thinking what you are thinking but perhaps until-until you have been shown by the Lord that 100% in an issue or details just keep praying and trusting-your head and heart will be rightly moved by the Lord just like i believe you want to do. God says He will be the One to give His sons and daughters dreams and visions so it is a must that we rightly represent Him or expect to be greatly humbled by Him. God will give us the heads up if He wants to in any given situation. Jesus told martha she was being too careful-too care-filled. she needed to let things play out with patience and He would direct her steps about when to get up and move on to the duty that lies nearest. i believe from the posts at this site that there is an earnestness to please the Lord rather than yourselves and however that plays out does and will continue to highlight the Lord in all circumstances. let His true Peace guide us all. you are great brothers here and your candor refreshes the body greatly!

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  8. Not sure what would be so unpopular about your comment a few comments ago. I do not see anything wrong with it.

    On the tithing issue, the NT speaks about tithing. In fact Jesus said to tithe:

    Matthew 23:23 – Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    So, we should not to leave the other undone…other is tithing.

    Abraham tithed prior to the law being given. He gave to Melchisedec and Melchisedec accepted the tithe. Melchisedec is a pre-christ figure. One big difference is our Christ is still alive!!!

    Paul tells us in Romans to follow Abraham’s steps and Abraham tithed:

    Romans 4:12 – And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

    We are told that those that preach the gospel can live off of the gospel:

    1 Corinthians 13:14 – Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

    I know Paul was stating his case of not living off of it, but he was saying one could.

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  10. Dear Adamantine……….

    I’m going to call you out.

    First of all you are no Prophet. Let’s not get it twisted. You are a wonderful man of God, but you “Flounder” way too much – sort of like a yo-yo on a string. One minute you’re up and you’re down – a theory is right then it wrong; when new issues concerning Bible Prophecy seem to fit – then you’re hot – when it slows down then you’re cold….I mean come on man!

    Then I have to question your first prediction concerning the California Earthquake, coming on 11/11/2008; and it’s relation to California outlawing “Homosexual” marriages, and your excuse for it NOT happening by implying that God may have “delayed” the outcome. I mean come on DUDE!

    Adamantine, I mean seriously man….you talk more about homosexuality than you do about bible prophecy. So what’s the real issue? Are you dealing with your feelings of being gay, (if you are) because it certainly seems to be a priority on your list of the numerous sins of the World – or is God really pricking your heart to tell others of events that relate to His second coming?

    Talk to us Adamantine….dude, if you’re gay, (and I don’t mean happy) now is the time to get it out! Tell us….we will listen to your confession, and we will pray for your Gayness – without floundering.

    Or…….has someone put it into your mind that you could be a prophet? So much so that you have entertained that “thought” more so than it actually being a reality? Have you thought about that?

    Look Adamantine, don’t try to become something that God has NOT confirmed. A dream or even two, is not consistent enough to be “self anointed” as a Prophet – in that you have a “floundering” spirit, as far as prophecy is concerned. You are no Jonah Adamantine, at least as a “flounder” he was cast into the sea.

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  11. The New Covenant did not start at Matt 1:1. It starts with the crucifixion. Jesus and the pharisees lived under the law, so they did tithe. To use this as evidence that tithing is for the church age is grasping for straws. Nowhere in the rest of the New Testament is there any mention of giving your tithes. The reason: there was no more temple or temple worship. To give whatever you can with a joyful heart is the way for the church and there is no percentage ever mentioned.

    Wickus

    Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom – let your email find you!

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  12. Comment by Adamantine:

    I) I am not a prophet but neither was Jonah by the criteria you use.We have no knowledge that God informed Nineveh of His changing His mind. I suspect some who lived in Nineveh did mock Jonah as a fool and no prophet.
    The person who first gave me the 2008 date ( without any prompting from me) was of the opinion that God had delayed because of circumstances in California. I did not and do not like that explanation any better than you do but because of other events in my life from previous answers to prayer was left pondering 11/11/11.
    I am not a prophet but apparently have asked to be one.
    How ever I have asked God for a prophetic insight to something which it appears most unlikely that God will answer. We should hope not as it would be dire for many.
    2) I am not gay, happily married at least 25 of some 31 years with children.( That is supposed to be a joke) Never had nor desired a homosexual hook up. My temptations have always been towards beautiful women.
    If I could rewrite God’s laws and societies needs I would like to have a harem. Despite this I was a virgin at marriage and there has been no adultery except of the eyes etc.
    3) Homosexuality is the battle ground topic of the day and for that reason my oft spoken of topic. We seem to have no leader on the national scene who is willing to make it the focus either. God will destroy a society over this sin IMHO whereas He may allow others to flourish much longer. I would think the concern of seeing ones nation going up in a whiff of smoke is ample reason to comment on it every day as a matter of fact.
    So there you have it. I wish to be a prophet (without the martyrdom) but this is unlikely. I probably should have asked for some other less tragic way to convince my local church of the seriousness of the hour in 2008 but I did not.
    I do not mind anyone judging me on this as it is your responsibility to do so. I could care less.
    I appreciate the internet friendships but have no desire for fame or fortune from this endeavor.
    We are fast approaching the end of all of this possible foolishness (11/11/11) and even the ENPI which may yet prove wrong.
    My spouse by the way does think the episodes of our courtship and her fulfilling a prayer
    request of mine that another lady only partially filled was prophetic and an answer to prayer. It is from this previous prayer battleground that I am as yet unable to drop entirely the 11/11/11 possibility.
    As far as caring to be a prophet that is also of little consequence because it is of no consequence to God either. If He has need He will find another or even the rocks themselves will cry out what He needs said. I was simply making myself available.In the end it was not so simple. If and when it is proven wrong it will be of practically no consequence in the history of my life and beyond inconsequential in the history of the world. I really do not see why the few here are concerned. It does not bother me that others in the world think they are prophetic. They will have to answer to God. My heart is at peace about this.
    My wife had a vision while we prayed for a sister law to overcome infertility and have a baby. At the time I said WHAT! A vision come on! well it later was true. She also has had one other vision which appears wrong but we will never likely know because these people are no longer part of our life. I think she was wrong about thinking a particular job was going to open for me. What does it matter? One can decide to avoid the risk of being wrong and simply not believe. I prefer the risk as apparently so did Joseph and Daniel. You need not place me among them but even without ever becoming a prophet it is my expectation to look them in eye as friends some day. They had their trials and I have had mine.
    I am going to heaven based on Christs work and I have a task in the kingdom based on God’s wisdom and reward for other work I have done on this earth. I do not need prophet status for self esteem in this world or the next. I have other work to do here as well and do not need any status in the church local or otherwise.
    I would be glad for you or any other to take over this place where i write so much. I do like to write and share. I am guilty of that and of the pride of thinking sometimes I have something worthwhile to say and say it well. I even enjoyed writing this little response. 8)

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  15. amen! i love you people–you are God’s people and i love having a small look into your hearts and see in your inner man that Christ is Lord in the throneroom of your hearts-come what may-no matter what any day does or does not bring…….we are the Lord’s and in Him we live and move and have our being……

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  16. The problem with this interpretation is that you are bringing Christ down to the level of a Jewish prophet or Teacher of the Law. Jesus is the Word of God made flesh, so this means every word that comes out of His mouth is eternal. He cannot say anything without it being “spiritual law” and everlasting. Jesus emphasizes this point by saying, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Matt 24:35). By saying what you did you are making the words of Jesus pass away—obsolete and out of date.

    You do not address Abraham tithing prior to the law and the verse in Romans.

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  17. I thought to clarify is that I do not believe you should give due to a law. You should give with your heart. If you give due to the law, you have done nothing in the eyes of God in my opinion.

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  18. Well Agie, let me answer both your questions with these words of Paul:

    Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
    Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
    Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
    Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
    Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
    Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
    Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
    Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

    How did I bring Christ down to the level of a Jewish prophet or a teacher of the law? Do you not know that Christ was a Jewish prophet and a teacher of the law?

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  19. Agie, I’d like to add to your comment “Abraham tithed prior to the law being given. He gave to Melchisedec and Melchisedec accepted the tithe. Melchisedec is a pre-christ figure. One big difference is our Christ is still alive!!!”

    I submit upon closer scrutiny of scripture, we are able to find gaping holes in this position. Please read carefully how Abraham tithed…

    How many times do you read of Abraham tithing? Once.

    Where did Abraham get that which he tithed? From the spoils of war.

    What did Abraham do with the other 90%? He gave that away also.

    Did God tell Abraham to tithe? No.

    Did God tell Abraham to do anything else? YES, he was commanded to keep an everlasting covenant of circumcision for him and his seed which followed. (Gen. 17:13)

    Does or has the Christian church followed Abraham’s example of circumcision? No.

    Are there some inconsistencies regarding the church teaching us we should tithe because of Abraham?

    In addition, Abraham never said he paid a tithe of money, it was the spoils of battle that he tithed. He gave a tenth of foodstuffs, wine, clothing, livestock, animals, and probably some gold and silver, -“a tenth of all”, it says. Neither did Abraham instruct those with him to do likewise, in fact he made sure they, the people received compensation for their services!

    In Matthew…Jesus was speaking to a law-keeping religious pharisee still under the OLD Covenant.

    Matthew 23:23 – Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
    So, we should not to leave the other undone…other is tithing. Where does Jesus say that the “other” is tithing?

    Jesus specifically stated tithing was “of the law”.

    Jesus had not gone to the cross. Heb. 9:17 for a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Which testament was in force for the pharisee?

    If tithing is a correct doctrine for the Christian church, then where in the New Covenant scriptures did Paul, Peter, John, James, Timothy, Barnabbas, the elders, mention, instruct or remind the saints or churches to do so? If it cannot be found in any instruction to a church or saint, is not that ADDING to what God DID have them write to the church?

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  20. Agie, before you say something wrong, let me show you that Jesus was a Jewish prophet.

    Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

    Agie, Jesus came under the law to fulfill the law as people like you and me can not do it. When He was on earth He was a flesh and blood human just like you and me. There is nothing mystical about it. The only difference between Him and us was that He did not sin. He was God in the flesh but He counted His Godhead as nothing. He did everything on earth as the Father told Him to do. He did nothing from the flesh.

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  21. Mr Baldy, those websites Adamantine has gone to so that he could find a confirmation regarding the west coast earthquake, is a group of false prophets of the NAR, kingdom now, dominionists type. Rick Joyner, and those around him, think that they can teach people to be prophets, healers etc etc etc etc. All of which is completely contrary to any scripture that I have ever read in my life. Again, I am only adding this here to address this as I have told Adamantine I am not going to try to show him any more. So how do you get an idea you can learn how to be a prophet and make a few statements and confirm yourself, The only place that this can be coming from is these false prophets of morningstar ministry and the like.

    IT IS ABSOLUTELY NOT ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES,

    any person who lives on this earth knows that earthquakes are coming, even the nonbelievers

    and we as believers certainly know it is part of prophecy as Jesus himself told us

    The sins of the world is bringing God’s wrath eventually when Jesus himself gets here and finishes it up.

    Do you think that God is happy about the murder of the innocents in abortion in this country? I sure do not think so, there are many reasons and sins in this country right now as well as the rest of the world. Turning against Israel, those that bless Israel will be blessed, we all know that one too. I live near Seattle, Washington, I think there is just as much sexual sin and perversion in that big city as well as California.

    Do I need a specific date of a quake here so I can get out. NO, NO, NO
    I live amidst several volcanoes, one of which blew in my lifetime, am I afraid, NO.

    There is not one safe place on this planet right now, look to the hurricanes, the tsunamis around this world, where can you run to???

    So tell me why do I need a prophet to tell me when and if, and the date it will hit. I am not afraid, though the earth move beneath my feet. Though my flesh and my heart may fail, thou my portion will be.

    Now we are seeing quakes in places in this country we never thought about. Do you know about the New Madrid fault-line which had one of the biggest quakes ever here? Should those people move and find another safe place. Where would you tell them to move to?

    Ok enough on the quake and the need of any prophet to give me a date. To live is Christ, to die is gain.

    Psa 46:1 To the chief Musician for the sons of Korah, A Song upon Alamoth. God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
    Psa 46:2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
    Psa 46:3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
    Psa 46:4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
    Psa 46:5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.

    Php 1:20 According to my earnest expectation and my hope, that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but that with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death.
    Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
    Php 1:22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
    Php 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
    Php 1:24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.
    Php 1:25 And having this confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all for your furtherance and joy of faith;
    Php 1:26 That your rejoicing may be more abundant in Jesus Christ for me by my coming to you again.

    I am not saying this one applies to me here, because this is Paul but if true for Paul it is true for me. I know where I am going if I die in an earthquake, tsunami, volcano, hurricane, tornado, flood etc etc etc.

    Rick Joyner writes a book in the late 80s saying an earthquake will occur in Japan, then one on our west coast. Oh great every person who knows anything about geology can say that one. He now tries to say his book in the 80s came true, give me a break.

    What about the one in Sumatra that did so much damage and death in 2004?

    and the many others that have been really bad?

    Adamantine I read what you wrote, and what Wickus said, but for the life of me I cannot see one word you said that makes me see that you are not on the right track, for whatever reason is going on your mind and heart.

    Homosexuality is not the battleground of the day. Preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ is what we are called to do, and warn that Jesus is indeed coming back and a day of judgement and wrath comes to the world for all sin, not just one.

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  22. “I) I am not a prophet but neither was Jonah by the criteria you use.We have no knowledge that God informed Nineveh of His changing His mind. I suspect some who lived in Nineveh did mock Jonah as a fool and no prophet.
    The person who first gave me the 2008 date ( without any prompting from me) was of the opinion that God had delayed because of circumstances in California” adamantine

    Jon 1:1 Now the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,
    Jon 1:2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.
    Jon 1:3 But Jonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD, and went down to Joppa; and he found a ship going to Tarshish: so he paid the fare thereof, and went down into it, to go with them unto Tarshish from the presence of the LORD.

    Whose word came to Jonah, not any other man.

    Jon 3:1 And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
    Jon 3:2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.
    Jon 3:3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days’ journey.
    Jon 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day’s journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
    Jon 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
    Jon 3:6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.
    Jon 3:7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
    Jon 3:8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands.
    Jon 3:9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?
    Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

    “We have no knowledge that God informed Nineveh of His changing His mind.”

    what????? did I understand what you mean by this adamantine?

    Jon 4:1 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.
    Jon 4:2 And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.
    Jon 4:3 Therefore now, O LORD, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live.
    Jon 4:4 Then said the LORD, Doest thou well to be angry?

    Jonah says he knew that GOD was a gracious God, and would not bring destruction if they repented? And he was angry because God had been merciful to Ninevah.

    Jonah had pity on a gourd that died, but could not have a heart to be sad that many might die in Ninevah?

    Jon 4:9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.
    Jon 4:10 Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:
    Jon 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

    The true prophet of God spoke out in warning to the people and wanted them to repent so that they would be saved, not destroyed. Abraham plead with the Lord to not destroy Sodom and Gomorroh if even ten would be found. Do you remember that one?

    Moses and Aaron, even though the people had sinned greatly, plead for the mercy of God to them? Moses said because of your name Lord?

    I need to find this scripture but Moses did not want God to destroy the people he had led out? Even though he got so irritated with them, he beat the rock, and had to be taken out and not go into the promised land.

    Exo 32:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
    Exo 32:10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
    Exo 32:11 And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?
    Exo 32:12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.
    Exo 32:13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.
    Exo 32:14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

    Jeremiah, used to be called the weeping prophet, because he was so grieved that he had to tell the king that God would bring Israel down unless they repented.

    These so called false prophets of today have not the spirit of God in them at all. They only want glory for self and to write books and make money.

    Adamantine you have said this yourself, then why do you go running to them to find one that can support something you think is a good date?

    I pray for you brother because you are missing something deep here I do think.

    God wants his people out about proclaiming Jesus.

    Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
    Luk 2:12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
    Luk 2:13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,
    Luk 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
    Luk 2:15 And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us.

    The holy spirit has been sent to convict of sin, in hearts that God made, the believers, the disciples of JESUS are to spread his message, we are sent to tell the world that the messiah Jesus has been sent, and any man who turns to God through HIM can be saved from the judgement to come.

    I feel no joy in the fact that so many are dying and suffering in all of this groaning of the the creation since it was subjected to sin in the world.

    Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
    Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
    Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
    Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
    Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
    Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
    Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
    Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
    Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

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  23. Jud 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
    Jud 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
    Jud 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
    Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
    Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
    Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
    Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
    Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
    Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

    I pray that many come to repentence, even though it does not look like they will.

    I am not God, but I do know God’s heart, because his word is filled with mercy and long suffering toward men.

    2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
    2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
    2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
    2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
    2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
    2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance

    2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance

    God has not changed His mind, the gospel still needs to go forth, which includes that Jesus is coming back to this world. But do not leave off either part of it.

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  24. Neh 9:17 And refused to obey, neither were mindful of thy wonders that thou didst among them; but hardened their necks, and in their rebellion appointed a captain to return to their bondage: but thou art a God ready to pardon, gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and forsookest them not.

    Psa 103:8 The LORD is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in mercy.

    Psa 145:8 The LORD is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy.
    Psa 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
    Psa 145:10 All thy works shall praise thee, O LORD; and thy saints shall bless thee.
    Psa 145:11 They shall speak of the glory of thy kingdom, and talk of thy power;
    Psa 145:12 To make known to the sons of men his mighty acts, and the glorious majesty of his kingdom.
    Psa 145:13 Thy kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and thy dominion endureth throughout all generations.
    Psa 145:14 The LORD upholdeth all that fall, and raiseth up all those that be bowed down.
    Psa 145:15 The eyes of all wait upon thee; and thou givest them their meat in due season.

    This came out of the mouth of an adulterer, a King who had a man killed to cover his sin.

    Joe 2:13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

    I pray each day for the sin still left in me, help me O Jesus to overcome, because it is a daily thing, easy to lose patience, react in anger rather than gentleness at times when I feel terrible physically etc.

    All of us is to do this daily, have any of us reached the fullness of Jesus Christ? Are will all pure as gold refined in the fire of Jesus yet. No, we are not. Please know that we have been shown mercy even while yet we were sinners.

    Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
    Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
    Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
    Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
    Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
    Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
    Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
    Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

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  25. Comment by Adamantine:
    1)The Bible does not say that God told the city directly in any manner that the judgment was called off. It just was called off. Jonah was possibly partly upset not because he wanted the city to suffer but because he knew or suspected some in the city would be saying “see no judgment was coming and Jonah was a false prophet” The majority would have been thankful. Even if they were not saying this Jonah suspected it. I do not agree with those who say Jonah hated them and desired the judgment…at least not as the only reason for his fleeing initially.
    2) I do not desire to see judgment on anyone but it will come some day somewhere. The scriptures will be proven correct. I have prayed for California.
    In the extreme however I have a friend who upon hearing that the seven last years were upon us said pray that God would delay. He would prefer Christ to not come during His life time because it would disturb his plans. I would prefer when Christ comes everything be peaceful but that is not what the Bible says will happen. No one should say Christians desire to see judgment because they say judgment is coming with Christ.
    3) I simply am not in agreement that the people you reference are all evil. Some possibly.
    4) I also only wonder that they would celebrate a day that to me speaks of judgment irregardless of any emphasis I might place on it. 11 is a number of judgment. They should not be so ignorant to celebrate on a date which pagans are using nor should they do so ignorant of its symbolism. They have chosen 11/11/11 because of its novelty…a novelty which has nothing good to speak for it.
    5) I do not fault you for judging them as it is in what you perceive to be wisdom but I would guess you cannot bring a consistency to such black and white determinations. I know Baptists who will not fellowship with Methodists because one is free will and the other Calvinistic.
    6) We all have to decide what degree of error we will overlook for the sake of fellowship and what degree of error represents those we should not fellowship with.
    7) Fulfilled prophecy will not fellowship with me because I am willing to say Barak Obama is evil. ( They seem to have allowed more of that on the site in past months however as it becomes something that cannot not be hidden.)
    8) I am not consistent always and change how I deal with these things.( hopefully as I learn) I suspect Rick Joiner of desiring to be a prophet (nothing wrong with that) ,of having been a prophet but now factoring too much in of that which he simply knows of the world. In other words I think it is not good to have a ministry of prophecy even if one were a prophet because there will become a need to be prophetic.
    9) Who would deny that Billy Graham was an evangelist ? Yet I think he compromised some major doctrines at a point in his ministry. I would still fellowship with him. This could go on and on. Do we fellowship with those who support abortion ? homosexuality ? no fault divorce ? legalization of marihuana ? Christians who slept together before marriage ?
    remarried divorced Christians ? Christians who think they are hearing from God all the time?
    10) Have you or family been hurt somehow by these prophets ? Your passion on this topic seems inordinate. It may not be. I have been accused of being a homosexual because I am so against acceptance of homosexuality in society. I can still fellowship with those who think this sin of less consequence than i think.
    I have written a lot so do not be offended by some poor choice of words. With so much said i have probably been unclear or partially inaccurate somewhere.
    Posting all of this is out of respect for your concern.

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  26. Just a little nugget about giving …

    Luke 21:1-4 (KJV)
    (1) And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
    (2) And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
    (3) And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
    (4) For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

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  27. You twist everything that is said to you by me and others, and then post something to try to start a new way to convince us of your views. That is your right as you are allowed to post the headings on this board with Wickus. As well you twist scriptures to say what you want to say and try to support what you are doing. Perhaps this is why it is so easy for you to follow false prophets who do the same thing on their websites.

    I do not agree with those who say Jonah hated them and desired the judgment…at least not as the only reason for his fleeing initially. adamantine

    I never said that, you add things that are not there, and ignore the things that are.

    “10) Have you or family been hurt somehow by these prophets ? Your passion on this topic seems inordinate. It may not be. I have been accused of being a homosexual because I am so against acceptance of homosexuality in society. I can still fellowship with those who think this sin of less consequence than i think.” adamantine

    That was stated by Mr. Baldy, not me but that was his right to do and a man needed to ask you?

    I am not really sure exactly what the problem is here, that you feel it is ok to add to scripture or take away as you choose.

    My passion is for the word of God, and for those who say they know it and live by it, to stick by it, and not allow all the other things they think and come up with or find from false prophets and try to spread them.

    “I suspect Rick Joiner of desiring to be a prophet (nothing wrong with that) ,of having been a prophet but now factoring too much in of that which he simply knows of the world. In other words I think it is not good to have a ministry of prophecy even if one were a prophet because there will become a need to be prophetic” adamantine

    I know Rick Joyner and the others like him, in the NAR, kingdom now, etc group are false prophets. How do I know, because you can read the bible and what it says and figure it out from what they say and teach. Joyner does not teach what the bible says in any respect.

    Again Adamantine, this is going to sound harsh and so be it.

    Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

    Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
    Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
    Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
    Rev 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

    .G141
    αἱρετικός
    aihretikos
    hahee-ret-ee-kos’
    From the same as G140; a schismatic. (“heretic” is the Greek word itself.): – heretic [the Greekord itself].

    G140
    αἱρετίζω
    aihretizō
    hahee-ret-id’-zo
    From a derivative of G138; to make a choice: – choose.

    Goodbye adamantine for I do believe it is time to break any type of attempt to fellowship with someone like you.

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  28. To say Jonah might have been seen as a false prophet by some in Nineveh is not Scriptural and is purely thumb sucking Adamantine. You can not build an argument on assumptions, and this is all that it is.

    I will also suggest to look at the real focus of prophecy; Israel and Jerusalem. To much focus is put on America and dates of possible judgment. America is not the center of Gods universe. An earthquake California will be devastating, but so is the natural disasters happening in the rest of the world. Why will an earthquake in California be a greater judgment from God as a flood in Indonesia or China? I am sure that there are more Christians in China than in the USA. Why must America be warned that judgment will come on a specific date, but the people in the rest of the world do not have that luxury from the Lord? The world, not the US is under judgment.

    I am really concerned that to much time is spend on the US and it is not even mentioned in the Bible. The closest we possibly can get to the US in the Bible is Babylon.

    Focus friends, the enemy is diverting our eyes from the bigger picture. There is currently more interesting news on Born to Watch than on this site (Thanks Scott). And over here there is more focus on words and prophecies to warn a sinful California. California has been warned. They know the big quake is coming. They do not need a date to warn them. They are without excuse and deserves whatever God has planned.

    I am getting frustrated.

    Wickus

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  29. I hope nothing horrible happens here in California. My family and I live here and were born and raised here. I know that something will happen here sometime anyway, but if we are to die, I would rather die for God and have a better resurrection!

    Either way, we will be with Yeshua soon and we will put this life behind us and really start living!

    Also, here are two articles with very disturbing stories. Please join me in prayer for both groups.

    Where child sacrifice is a business:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15255357

    VeriChip Order for Use With Israeli Military:
    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/positiveid-corporation-receives-verichip-order-for-use-with-israeli-military-2011-10-11

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