Crisis upon crisis

When I look at the daily news, I just don’t know what to think anymore except for “Come quickly Lord Jesus”. The world is a mess. The economy worldwide is a disaster, the USA has got a useless leader and the Middle East is about to explode.

I want to share some thoughts from someone on Facebook. The reason for me posting this is because this seems to be the general thoughts shared between Christians worldwide. Were the pre-tribbers waited for the rapture first and then disaster, they seem to be happy with the idea that they may have to suffer a bit before the rapture. Let me know what you think about the following:

As I pondered with the King in my thoughts WHAT THE HECK is about to happen, I got a real sinking feeling. Let’s look carefully at what Barak Obama has accomplished in the past four years he has been in office. His predecessors both BUSH presidents, set the NWO up for Obama to continue. Bush Jr. toppled Saddam Hussein and led our troops into Iraq. Hussein came out DEAD. Obama then came into office and continued the LUNACY by toppling Egypt’s president Mubarak and handing the reins over to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Next, He moves over to Libya and assassinates their leader, Moammar Quaddafi and proceeds to STEAL 140 tons of gold bullion from Libya. THEN, he leaves the Libyan embassy TOTALLY UNGUARDED ON THE 9/11 ANNIVERSARY. He sacrificed Christopher Stephens and now feigns lament for his death……BULL!!!

He set those poor suckers up in that embassy, and just HAPPENED to have TWO WARSHIPS not far offshore that he now has an excuse to deploy and set up a military presence there. I guess stealing 140 tons of gold bullion just wasn’t enough of a spoil!!!! Now he wants the oil, and a new base of operations.

Fellow Americans……our president has set the middle east on fire in chaos and violence. Our embassies all over the world are being attacked. He’s taking our military into all those arab countries and NEVER LEAVING. Our leader is A TYRANT who is PROVOKING THE REST OF THE WORLD TO DEAL WITH US!!!!

I think America is about to be attacked, my friends and family in Jesus. We better prepare ourselves. The wars from the bible ARE ABOUT ISRAEL, so they can’t come before the rapture….BUT, there’s nothing that says this war (likely the Psalms 83 war) can’t happen before the rapture TO US.

Please consider this. Our president has provoked the entire WORLD to attack us. They are ready to do so. Seeing what our president is doing, I understand that they have to react to protect themselves from this TYRANT!!!

What is happening here is that America is being SACRIFICED. The shadow powers stole our wealth, and now they are going to sacrifice America to take the fall for the British Empire.

Obama has purposely provoked the world to destroy us. They are about to do just that. Mystery Babylon is destroyed in an hour’s time, loved ones.



The answer is very simple, my friends.





62 thoughts on “Crisis upon crisis

  1. ….imagine all the people,…….living for today, with no thought for eternityand no thought for Christ Jesus and His Truth. I am saddened


  2. this speaks pretty much to the urgency i am feeling in my heart about what is soon—–soon—–to happen. the Scripture urges us to redeem the time for the sake of the Gospel and let our lives and lips be used to tell and prove that Jesus Christ is Alone–the Way the Truth and the Life to the Glory of God the Father. Jesus said–let not your hearts be troubled. He said this when trouble was at every side–but—our God Reigns–His Word is being fulfilled to the letter. this gives me pause—and yes tony saddens me too but also my hope is stirred that Jesus is coming–coming for us–and coming before too long to take back the title deed to the earth to reign as it’s King. God’s enemies days are numbered….mene, mene, tekel, upharsin—found wanting……………………….


  3. leave it to you Andre to put it so perfectly, in truth and perspective.i agree whole-heartedly. amen ,PRAISE GOD, HOSANNA THE DELIVERER, JESUS CHRIST! We shall carry on,…going forth with the GOOD NEWS, knowing He alone is soveriegn! Truthfully…………………………………………i give thanks!


  4. All things must be set up for the time of the antichrist to take over, wherever or whoever he may be. I agree, I do not like this president and he has made so many mistakes that I feel it has to be done on purpose. God have mercy on all the people here who are suffering right now, many christians still live in the middle east, and are suffering, should it be any different then for christians in this country to suffer? Come Lord Jesus


  5. I haven’t posted in a while either – and was driving home the other night thinking things through, writing in my head so to speak, before I sit down at the keyboard.

    Like you mention above, I’m just so overwhelmed most days with how evil things have become in the world around us. It seems like if there’s an evil that people can do- the majority seem to be choosing it and embracing it these day. I could be wrong, but I just get this feeling that the world has been given over to what is has desired.

    I don’t see the coming calamity in the US as a result of the many believers though. If anything I think that if a great calamity strikes the US it will be allowed in God’s mercy to shake the remnant here out of its complacency, it’s love for the things of this world, and yes it’s lukewarmness. I know some among the word faithy (pseudo-christian) sects have been making lots of noise about a revival here in the US to avoid judgement (if only they were real Jonahs, they are not). When I read news of Christians around the world – I do see evidence of revival, but it’s taking hold the most in places like China, Iran, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia – the places where Christians are persecuted and hunted for their faith. I listen to groups like Voice of the Martyrs – and they tell us something, when someone is willing to embrace Christ even though they may die soon for it, it is not a man-pleasing for show conversion. It pains me to think that the trials that I’ve experienced in my life are nothing compared to what’s coming – but thank God for it and thank God for the genuine surrendered lives, the transformation and the abandonment of living for this world that will come from it. If he allows it, he will provide the means to endure it.


  6. those watching as Jesus told us to do really do know that america will not avoid judgment. it is a graphic picture before us–for america and the world. (how much persecution will american christians see?…….. “but I just get this feeling that the world has been given over to what is has desired”……”If anything I think that if a great calamity strikes the US it will be allowed in God’s mercy to shake the remnant here out of its complacency, it’s love for the things of this world, and yes it’s lukewarmness”. amen justaseep. God is sovereign over it all.


  7. First of all obama is not the antichrist he doesnt qualified for that position, the false prohet maybe so far it looks that way,i belive the antichrist is going to be the Pope he fits perfectly.Second the bible clearly explain that jesus is coming when the lawlessman be reveal,nobody knows the day or the night when that happens.We are supposed to be sharing the gospel,this is not a critic is just for your own good and your own protection unless you want the goverment braking into your house like they probably did to the guy that made the video about islam.Third those who are christians and vote for rommney are hipocrites cause rommney is a mormon,so this year let God vote.My friend am on Jesus Christ side but we still have work to do.Forget about obama unless is on the news and is fact whith his words or by his desicions he has dont that so far.Everytime i go to a prophecy site or christian news my computer is being hack so becareful what you say and be smart. God bless you and stop freaking out .If you are a bible believer you know this was coming and you knew it was going to happen , just stand up for the truth and the gospel and you be fine.You are going a little overboard about things ,just let it happen if this the time than it is if not then continue to share the gospel and wait for that day and that day from the looks of it is going to be in are time and soon.Remeber people there is an antichrist and a false prophet and also satan is going to use people to do his things.Also correct me if am wrong but ithink in daniel it explains that the antichrist is going to have white hair like wool and obama doesnt have that, the only one that fits that description is the pope.


  8. Hello my friends and family in Christ Jesus. Remember our redemption is nigh and lift up your eyes for the glory of your salvation will be coming in the manner to which he left. I on the other hand do not believe it to be soon, but I may be wrong. If we really think about it, God could very well be punishing America. The word of God says that sin is for a season. The United States has been under God’s protection for a very long time, and has been getting away with killing his babies and taking his name in vain. The things that we as Christians have let pass through Congress and without prayer. We all are to blame for taking America “a gift from God and taking away the morality that God instilled in it a little at a time. I too believe that when Gods wrath comes down on America, He will protect the ones that stayed true to him just like he did Shadrak, Meshak, and abendigo along with Daniel, Jerimaiah, Hoseah along with all of the true followers of God. Stay true brothers and sisters in Christ and He will stay true to you! Vote your heart this year and pray that God does not give us over to Obama again! We need a President that fears God again like Bush. I pray that Mitt is that man.God will never leave us or forsake us and His Will, will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven whether we like it or not. God bless and shalom!



    That thinking is so wrong – on so many levels!!
    And it also gives another proof of haughty American attitude toward the rest of the world’s Christians.
    Will ‘Mystery Babylon’ be destroyed, because it is the MOST Christian – or because it is the LEAST Christian…?

    And what evidence is there to support the belief that America is, in fact ‘Mystery Babylon’? Isn’t the Harlot rather symbolic of the corrupt, seemingly Christian world church, of the later days? Might there be something BIGGER than America here?


  10. I beleive Justasheep says it just-a-right:
    “If anything I think that if a great calamity strikes the US it will be allowed in God’s mercy to shake the remnant here out of its complacency, it’s love for the things of this world, and yes it’s lukewarmness.”

    And the same goes for us here in Scandinavia.

    Do we need to be awakened…?


  11. Angela,
    Why do you think so many Christians in America are pre-trib? It is the arrogance that makes them believe God would never ask them to suffer. I am American, so I can say that without any accusations of prejudice.

    It is my personal belief, although I don’t know how many would agree, that the Babylonian Mysteries are headquartered with the Freemasons. Her history is long and that is the last group with whom she settled. Yes, she infiltrated the church, but that is not presently her headquarters (although she did try to headquarters herself there for a while and left her corruption and followers behind when she left). Masons hold positions of power in government (all world leaders tend to be Masons, regardless of politics), religion (which explains the apostasy across the board), and business (which is where the wealth is). Their first allegiance is not to country, religion, or their job, but to the Masonic Order. It comes before all else. The Supreme Mother of the Councils of the World Masonic headquarters (note the label of “mother”) where only the highest Masons may attend (32 or 33 degree) is located in Washington, DC. A great many of our leaders (political, religious, business) as well as entertainers, artists, etc. meet once a year in California at the Bohemian Grove to offer a burnt sacrifice to the God Molech. (They say it is not a real child, but just a straw dummy, I tend to think it is a real child from things I have heard.) The city of DC is laid out with all the Masonic symbols, and our nation’s capitol building was built as a religious shrine to the goddess Babylon (check out the statue at the top). She sits in NYC harbor welcoming people. That is only the beginning of the story of America’s Masonic background. That is only a small part of the reasons why I believe we are Babylon. She is more than just a religion; she is also a political entity that sits around the world (on many waters both literally here at home and figuratively abroad around the world) at the highest levels of every country. This is just her headquarters.


  12. Yes, I think you’re right – pre-trib ‘escapism’ has fallen into fertile ground. Not only in the States, but in the ‘rest of the West’.

    As for Masons and ‘Mystery’ – yes, they are probably some of Babylon’s greatest fans. But I am convinced this ‘mystery’ is something that, just like leaven (yeast) has permeated just about every stata of ‘polite society’ (and impolite!).
    It is so much bigger than what can be nailed at any one organizations door.

    The ancient Babylonian mystery religion goes back to the Serpent in the garden of Eden.
    And the bottom line is always ‘The fruit of (mystical) knowledge of good and evil is good’, and ‘you can be (like) gods!’
    You may have noticed almost ‘everyone’ is saying this?


  13. You people dont listen and erase my comment, you keep believing in the pre tribulation you are going to have a big surprise when you get persecuted .The bible says that the saint are going to be persecuted and kill until the antichrist is reveal. We are not going to suffer wrath but we will be persecuted,I ask myself when is the church going to stop this pre tribulation crap.

       [trib-yuh-ley-shuhn] Show IPA

    grievous trouble; severe trial or suffering.

    an instance of this; an affliction, trouble,

    noun \ˈrath, chiefly British ˈrȯth\

    Definition of WRATH


    : strong vengeful anger or indignation


    : retributory punishment for an offense or a crime : divine chastisement
    Tribulation and wrath is not the same thing open your eyes and wake up take your time to read the bible and dont jump to your conlusion jump to God conclusion.
    Alot of people are going to feel discouraged when they get persecuted and are going to end up asking where is Jesus and the rapture and guess what he is not coming until the antichrist is reveal.Is going to be pretty sad to see people asking for mercy in the tribulation and looking for the rapture and cursing god all because of the pre tribulation crap preaching. God bless you and good look with your own belief instead of choosing God word.


  14. Elo, nobody is erasing your comments. Do you even read this blog? Can you show me were this blog upholds the pre-trib rapture? Better read first before you accuse.


  15. hope for the best and expect the worse,..thats all elo.mellow out ole boy,take it easy. say it in loveTrust God to be faithful to you and all other christians, even those who don’t see what you see.Pray for Gods loving mercy to go forth and bring an absolute awakening/ REVIVAL into His now unfinished body of struggling believers and KNOW that your plead will be heard.i will pray along with you on this. THE LOVE OF GOD IS REAL, and it can ultimately be relied upon as HE can ultimately be relied upon as we surrender to HIM and HIS POWER alone! IT is in HIS hands,not ours,…let us be loving conduits that fully are open to His loving spitit of truth. Lets surrender to Him wholeheartedly elo with trustful reliance in His sovereign LOVE. Let us be not anxious…….respectfully, tony


  16. Elo 99% of us are pre wrather’s here and also hold onto the Mystery Babylon = America postion 🙂 Welcome here , pull up a chair and stay awhile.

    Wow I’ve been gone for little over a week…got lot’s to catch up it seems 🙂


  17. ralph woodrow debates lew white,……………..quite interesting i would say. On TRUTH. geeze this all really makes me wonder. Torah vs. ?non-torah spirituality in Christ. Perhaps its not that critical,..would anyone care to take a look-see. easy enough to google it


  18. If you want to believe in pre trebulation is ok i respect you and is your choice.God bless you all.

    2 Thessalonians 1

    King James Version (KJV)

    1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

    2 Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of every one of you all toward each other aboundeth;

    4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

    5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

    6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;

    7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

    8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

    10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

    11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

    12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Luke 21:15-17
    For I will give you words and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict. You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. All men will hate you because of me.

    2 Thessalonians 2

    New International Version (NIV)

    The Man of Lawlessness

    2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

    5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

    Stand Firm

    13 But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits[b] to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. 14 He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings[c] we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

    16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope, 17 encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.

    This is love and is not from me is from my father in heaven . god bless you.


  19. Elo unless I am misunderstanding you please disregard. Pre wrathers are NOT pre tribbers 🙂
    Most of us here have been shown the error of the pre trib postion over the past few years and have come against some pretty serious resistance for daring to share that. We are deeply concerned for those that hold onto the view but am reminded that the Lord knows His own and if they are the wise virgins , they too will come to that. I pray soon though 🙂


  20. Vic, Am with you not against you.Am your friend your brother not your enemy.I care about all you.God Bless You All.I want to share something with you for the past 2 years you cant share the gospel on MSNBc,CNN or some of the news sites if you speak about Jesus they delete your commets but if you speak of a false gospel or islam muhhamad not a problem.Our society is going to get worst because the time we are living right now and people dont realize. People are searching for answers in the internet whether is facebook or any other site , and when you share the words of hope the bible and the gospel about jesus christ for their salvation comments are deleted,So think of this if society erases every word of hope and all the comments you and us bible believing christians share with them then what information you think our teenagers ,divorce mom,drug addiction , suicide and ect.. they are getting ,they are getting the Koran,False gospel,enlightment,is ok to be gay and so on.It sad that alot of people are not seeing this and pastors are not talking about it am not saying you guys am just sharing. Nothing is going to be better and people still think that there is hope to fix this world , but the only hope is jesus christ to save us from are sins.I live a peaceful life because i know this most happen , i just live amaze on how accurate the bible is.But i feel that as bible believing christians we can do more and when we get in to a conversation we cant not agreed with the world and thats what most christians are doing this day ,they say stuff just to make people feel good and thats wrog, why do you think people and priest hated Jesus christ cause he told them the truth.Telling people the truth is not hate or anger, telling the truth is love and that love comes from are heavenly father and his son jesus christ.You got this site running and you are doing something good i encourage you to make it work and try to reach to as many people you can along with the same people that you know and come across this site especially unbelievers.This is the time to really share the gospel are families and friends and neighbors are just falling in love with this world i just dont want to be a part of one of those peole that did not warn them and show them the way.The other day one of the news stop the 911 ceremony so they can talk to Kardashian about her boob job, that just shows you the days we are living right now. GOD bless you all and as a man and a brother i ask for your forgiveness i misunderstood the pre wrath i did not seeit when i read it.Forgive me vic and hisown1 i was wrong.


  21. No worries Elo and no need to ask for my forgiveness 🙂 It’s just that we have seen some pretty serious attacks against this ministry ( provocateur agents ) and that is why we ask that people stay a while so that we can get to know them. Most of us here have known each other for quite a number of years now and praise the Lord for the unity and love that prevails here.
    Welcome and be blessed .

    Boetie please know that you and your loved ones are daily in our prayers even more so after your health issue. Not that anybody needs a reminder but let’s lift Bro Brian up more so now than ever.

    Love you guys !


  22. like i said on the other post–where is that silly thumbs up feature when you need it? i sure agree with what is posted above. yes please join us elo. nobody i know of here believes they have all the answers as we are all just interested in knowing the Truth not competing in the realm of ideas. we know that does not honor Jesus. have wondered how things are going for you vic and pray that you are strong in body and encouraged in Spirit in the Lord. i saw that bro. brian has a praise concerning his health. God is Faithful! He is Good no matter what…………………………………


  23. I agree whith the thumbs up to Elo’s last comment. You are so right!

    And I’m glad to say, that even here in Sweden, many of those the Lord is ‘waking up’, are also waking up to the falsehood of a Scripturally unsupported pre-trib-rapture, and of the replacement falsehood that goes along whith it.
    There are homepages, similar to this one, where not everyone, but the majority, now lean more toward a post-trib/ pre-wrath view. I know of brothers who just recently have come round to this conclusion.

    As far as ‘conspiring agents’, we’ve just recently felt the heat of that here, as one Christian brother’s homepage is shut down at the moment, because someone hijacked his domain adress, and started sending hate mail to people via the brother’s adress!

    Please, would you remember him in prayer, as he is one of few ‘awake’ pastors here.
    (Opposition comes, not surprisingly, from other ‘believers’… But we don’t yet know who this ‘hijacker’ is.)

    And, Vic, as a precaution. It might be a good idea to have all information on your site copied somewhere, in case this would happen to this page.


  24. I owe Elo an apology – I deleted the post that he mentioned, days ago. I found it, read it carefully and restored it just now. With the rise in the number of commenters showing up who have been coming in to stir up trouble or preach another Gospel – I was a little overzealous and careless with the delete button. I mistook the post in question for a follow up from another poster that had several aliases (the email and IP address even looked similar.

    Elo – I hope you can forgive my lack of diligence in reviewing comments. Welcome to our discussion, I’m sorry for not being the most welcoming of moderators in this instance.



  25. I believe that the impending Middle East war is a fullfillment of Isaiah 17,Psalm 82 and Ezekial 38-39. I also believe this leads to the ‘ covenant ‘ and rise of the Anti Christ.


  26. …and me, tony, is still wondering if in FACT, there really are bigger fish to fry then things like rapture timing, …..what i’m getting at is the hebrew roots movement!, ..again, the Lew White website and the sabbath covenant??idea,etc.Feasts days, appointed times,…100 blows of the trumpet ? at Rosh ha shannah,…Yeshua, Torah etc.,…..Lew points to the Strong Delusion as something alltogether different than the ideas we all came up with. It being moving away or falling away from the hebrew roots of it all,…and engaging in Sun-day replacement theology. Could it be true, that perhaps something is happening here in the way of apostasy? is anyone knowledgeable on this and or open-minded enough to consider and test the spirit here? lets reason together, can we. Has anyone come to be familiar w/Lew White and His scriptural stance?


  27. Tony you said:

    ” It being moving away or falling away from the hebrew roots of it all,…and engaging in Sun-day replacement theology.”

    Please help me understand. Is this man saying we need to KEEP the sabbath? and the JEWISH traditions? as not to do so is the ” strong delusion”?


    I’m assuming then that ” worshipping on SUNday” is the mark of the beast right?

    So let me just clarify here. I am NOT saying that the pre trib is THE strong delusion but is one part of it yes, men deceiving and BEING deceived.

    You ask about those that have a find gift of discernment, well I was reminded of Hymenaeus and Philetus this morning.

    The Lord knoweth them that are his.

    Let’s get rid of the leaven shall we ?

    2Ti 2:15 — Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    2Ti 2:16 — But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

    2Ti 2:17 — And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

    1Cr 5:6 — Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?


  28. The enemy comes to steal, kill and destroy.

    He diverts, distracts and distorts.

    Your’s truly will be found in her prayer closet 🙂


  29. i don’t wish to cause strife. i also do not want to misrepresent anyone or any thing,ie. movement. i hope all those verses you made reference to above don’t apply to what i am sharing and wondering about. Thanks for responding. i think there is something here of value to perhaps be gained in taking notice of the hebraic way. Like a greater , deeper realization of truth and obedience . i could be wrong. The sunday worship and pagan holidays seem like they could be somehow linked to the mark of the beast. the beast being the holy roman empire of old and its ENFORCEMENT of such a thing. i want more to be able to explain this, but honestly i feel kinda mixed up on just exactly how i view it. its a challenge. i think our Father in heaven is causing a move on our hearts to go back to the roots and re-examine. He came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it. The feast days being replaced by ?easter, christmas and sacraments, by and thru the catholic church,….and the drift away from sacred truth beginning, and going forth into the protestantism pathway makes me wonder if we are running the risk of missing the mark—–or even worse yet, of hitting it. Is this the mark of the beast sway? I think about the One man in Christ,..Sid Roth speaks scripturally about it. where do we draw the line in our understanding of true Truth. what about the Sabbath? all 10 laws in full obedience? ,…just wondering,really


  30. i just know that the Word says that apostle paul by the Holy Spirit said that he was determined to know nothing among those of the church except that it be Christ and Him crucified. 1 cor 2:2. judaizing was a problem apostle paul encountered in his day and proved as error. he admonished do not to be as the foolish galatians who were mixing in the works of judaism ritual (old letter) and not standing only in the finished work of Jesus Christ as Sacrifice–Him Alone as the Full Atonement for our Salvation-no adding or subtracting from His Work on the Cross. studying about the jewish feasts and historical period between the testaments sheds much light on things that help us look closely into the prophetic for example but regarding salvation the jewish traditions bring an unhelpful/even deceptive mixture. Christ was then and is now the New and Living Way as the entire book of hebrews attests. He kept the Law because we could not-so why would we want to go back there (under ritual law) instead of resting in what Jesus Himself put to rest? if separated from the subject of salvation that knowledge (in judaism) proves enriching but we must be discerning amen?


  31. Tony.

    Many years ago the the Lord showed me the error of ChristMASS , Ishtar Easter and so many RCC deceptions that has infiltrated evangelical Christianity, He would have shown me to ” keep” the sabbath by now .It’s been 19yrs and I’m still waiting 🙂

    God has promised to lead and guide us to all truth and that He will be our teacher. I rest and abide in that amen ?

    Andre as Christ is my witness, the Holy Spirit reminded me of that exact scripture today on the beach ( my prayer closet – lol ) as I was praying about this and praise His name for the affirmation. That just rocked my world.As much as an affirmation I was blessed with last week that proves that the Lord is so very near to those that call on Him with PURE HEART 🙂

    2Ti 2:22 — Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

    2Ti 2:23 — But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.


  32. interesting comments for sure, why oh why do i find myself wondering like this?…part of being in the ocean of being,i guess???


  33. lots of believers wonder and are attracted to this type of connection w/ truth, no doubt. i don’t think you put sabbath above Christ Jesus by any means!, just follow it like you follow all the other commands of God , like thou shalt not commit adultry, nor covet , nor lie nor steal nor worship false gods…{ a question: did Jesus really resurrect on sunday?}i’ll search it. going back to commandments and all, by grace WE ARE SAVED, but we have to be born again and repent of our sinning, our transgressing of the law—thru obedience, as evidence of truely believing and truely being born again


  34. Interesting conversation on keeping the law.

    Rememeber Jesus was of the tribe of Judah not Levi and He is our great high priest, we are not required to keep the letter of the law under the Levitical system. Paul refers to Christ as of the order of Melchisadech (spelling) who was a foreshadow of Christ in belessing Abraham who had in him the seed of Levi, this king of Jerusalem was showing himself as superior to Levi…. I could ramble on there’s lots in this, but as He is the Lord of the Sabath perhaps we should rest a little each day?

    Love the Lord your God with all your heart and your neighbour as yourself, job done.


  35. well said james. the Law is kept in what you refer to that Jesus said. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and your neighbour as yourself, job done.” the entire book of hebrews outlines and fleshes out the whole of Jesus Christ the Righteous who kept the Law in our behalf so i love how you highlight that understanding. also we know we must surrender (die to ourselves) daily to this understanding—not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit says the Lord of Hosts -from zech 4. (how the saved are sanctified to follow the Lord with His Spirits’ Wisdom and Strength in order to obey-enabled to Love God and my neighbor as myself). what a different world we would awaken in everyday if we believers truly did as Jesus said………..i speak this to my own heart and for anyones edification.


  36. Love is the fulfillment of the Law


    New International Version (©1984)
    Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
    New Living Translation (©2007)
    Love does no wrong to others, so love fulfills the requirements of God’s law.

    English Standard Version (©2001)
    Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

    International Standard Version (©2008)
    Love never does anything that is harmful to its neighbor. Therefore, love is the fulfillment of the law.

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
    Love does not commit evil against its neighbor, because love is the fulfillment of The Written Law.

    GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
    Love never does anything that is harmful to a neighbor. Therefore, love fulfills Moses’ Teachings.

    King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
    Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

    American King James Version
    Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

    American Standard Version
    Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    The love of our neighbour worketh no evil. Love therefore is the fulfilling of the law.

    Darby Bible Translation
    Love works no ill to its neighbour; love therefore is the whole law.

    English Revised Version
    Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.


  37. the 3 woes of rev 9 are the 5th,6th,n 7th trumpets and,,,….in jewish customs there are 3 trumpets, the one in book of exodus and the last trumpet and the great trumpet! i spoke w/ a pastor today who was filling me in on some things as he understands them to be. He is well learned and speaks knowledge-ably. my mind says this, or should i say ressonates w/ this: There is wisdom in a multitude of counselors. Pastor Bob seems to believe in a 7 yr trib. oh boy,…here we go. He made mention of a man by the name of….,i’ll get backto you all soon! and when i do i will share something that he shared about judgements during the tribulation,…..holy smoke; the plot thickens! Let us love one another with no fear, as
    we share in the analysis of it all


  38. eder shyam was the mans name – google it to seek about the 3 trumpets in jewish custom???, if your interested. i’m going to mens group bible study now, and then i want to look into some of this. help! me if you can, only if yer interested of course!


  39. Tony,
    I believe it is good for us to learn the meaning of the Biblical feasts – and how Jesus has, and will, fulfill each one in the fullest sense. It’s all pointing to him!

    Replacement theology, and the total distancing of the church from the jews has proven extremely tragic throughout history… It’s true, as far as the gospel, they are enemies… but as to the promises of God, they are His chosen people, because of the forefathers.

    But it’s possible to go too far whith the preoccupation whith all things jewish. Someone mentioned Galatians – we should read it carefully, since it originates whith a jewish scolar!

    As for sun-day-worship being the mark of the Beast… this is a strong seventh-day-adventist teaching. Can we say that they are good examples of sound, biblical teaching, and spiritual discernment?
    They bring up some valid points concerning the papal system, but otherwise I believe them to be way off…

    As to the church meeting on the ‘first day of the week’, this was true already of the very first church, and if I’m not mistaken, it has to do whith the fact that the first day of the week was resurrection day. (And maybe even a symbolic reference to ‘a new beginning’, and to the millennial reign of Messiah?)

    Just as we shouldn’t limit ourselves to tithing – ALL we have is His – so we perhaps shouldn’t limit ourselves to any ONE day of the week? ALL days are His.(They met DAILY in the homes…)

    And as for the Sabbath – isn’t this also a strong pointer to our entering into the rest of the finished work of Christ? God rested on the seventh day, pleased whith His finished work. And so we can also rest in the (for all days and all times) Sabbath rest of Christ’s finished work of salvation. Sabbath then means our total rest in His finished work, and a rest from all our own (good) works, to try to save ourselves.

    More than any one week day, this is a state of being for the saved believer, and a place of rest. Shabbat, and ‘seven’, infers fullness, and completeness. And our resting from every kind of ‘works’ is so much more profound, than the jews not using the microwave oven.

    Might the eighth day, which is also the first day, be symbolic of the resurrection, and of new things to come…?
    Well, this is as far as I have come.
    Tony, don’t buy into the judaizers package – they make everything small and narrow once again, going back to the shadow-symbols, instead of coming into the fullness of Christ.



  40. Great post Angela.
    Very good also to keep from being unloving in any way toward those who do keep a certain “day”.

    We have such a perfect answer in God’s Word.
    Romans 14
    1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
    2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
    3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
    4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
    5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike………….. Let ……………….every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
    6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

    It’s not that complicated…….LET……Each and every one who Enters Into His Rest, Rest as they CHOOSE to Rest…………..In FAITH, that worketh by LOVE.


  41. Thank you, Shorttribber.

    I believe the Lord may have just now given me some clarity on the subject, since writing this comment helped me become ‘fully presuaded’ in my own mind! 🙂


  42. Pastor Bob made mention of something i had not heard befor-ever. That there is adilluted wrath of God {during the 1st 3.5yrs of trib}, and an UNDILLUTED, FULL BLOWN wrath of God in the last 3.5yrs! i Know this causes lots of agitation in the water here and i do not want to be either problematic, or distracting. this is bringing me back to when i used to realize a 7yr period of Gods wrath known as the TRIBULATION week. we could or might say, “dosen’t pastor bob see that ………,and doesnt he know about………, but hey, i heard him once talk on rev 12, just like i’ve heard short-tribber speak on the same, and blessings flowed big on both occasions or ocassions rather. was one correct{like in my spelling here} and one incorrect? or, or, or is there an all truth thing of some sort going on in Gods muti-dimensional schematic. Like no matter how i spelt okasion above, you knew what i meant so no real worries,……really i’m just wondering, and not playing any games with anyone or trying to be funny NOR CRAZY sounding.Does anyone catch my drift,?,…i seem ,to myself, to still be open-minded, or maybe someway not fully or completely convinced w/ 100percent assurance of one view over all others , yet!


  43. i came over here to this post to read comments after just posting on the 25 nations one and lo and behold! the same verses and conversation going on with angela and shorttribber! so fun and wonderful from the Lord! like-mindedness is from God. !! isn’t He so Good !!


  44. seek, for God may have more in store for you n me,….you n i. Theres something happening,…. here. That will lead to TRUTH one way or the other for all of those in Christ. ALSO, this 7 day wedding feast custom has relevance and profound beauty, believe me


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