I’d been wondering how Cush gets moved into position to fulfill Ezekiel 38

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I guess after today’s story – I don’t really have to wonder any more.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/sudan/9631769/Israeli-jets-bombed-weapons-factory-in-Khartoum-Sudan-claims.html

I never realized how closely aligned Khartoum is with Tehran. That’s a big miss on my part.

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  2. Yes, I also wondered about Cush…
    They were the only ‘game piece’ that didn’t seem to naturally fit in whith the others. Well, now they do.

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  3. Yes it seemed like an awkward one, didn’t quite fit, it was also interesting to see the North and South Sudan split into 2 ealier this year (or last year?) so it now more accurately relects the ancient Cush.

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  7. we know that events are following a course that God has already spoken to be-but watching how and when all the parts and pieces conform to form a whole picture-oh my goodness-it is in awe that we are glued to watch what is and has taken shape. http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2012/10/25/trouble-sudan-accuses-israel-of-bombing-their-arms-factory-sudan-anno (thanks bro brian). rockets hitting israel now are getting this underway toward total upheaval in the region and men and material for war are gathering as we speak. it no longer looks like if—but when–for the eze 38 war to commence. i do not think we will have long to wait as the world economy goes belly up. my eyes are on You Lord…………………

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  8. Many of us have associated End Time events with the signing of a 7 year covenant with many by a coming Antichrist; have assumed that it is a “peace treaty”; have assumed that it begins a 7 year tribulation period; have assumed that a temple has to be erected – and have assumed that the Rapture will have occurred prior to these events.

    Since all of these wars are occurring; nation is rising up against nation; massive earthquakes have been occurring; men’s hearts are definitely growing cold; pestilences are on the rise – but wait…….aren’t these things the beginning of “birth pangs”?

    So why is the church still here?

    Let’s look a a few facts – as Jesus said the following:

    1) “See to it that no one misleads you.”
    2) “For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.”
    3) “You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars.”
    4) “Those things must take place, but that is not yet the end.”
    5) “They will deliver you to tribulation; will kill you; you will be hated because of My name.”
    6) “But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.”

    These are just a few. Appears to me that the Body of Christ will still be around, and we WILL suffer!

    The following warnings are also given:

    1) “That day & hour no one knows – ONLY the Father”
    2) “The coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.”
    3) “They were eating & drinking, marrying & divorcing, until the day Noah entered the ark.”
    4) “They did NOT understand until the flood came, and took them all away”
    5) “Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming”
    6) “The Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.”

    So then……. why do we have so many theories out there, and so very much confusion, when the facts have been presented, and the warnings to the Body of Christ have been provided?

    Okay…lets look at a few more facts:

    1) John 6:39:
    “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day.”
    2) John 6:40:
    “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
    3) John 6:44:
    “No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.”
    4) John 6:54:
    “He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

    Let’s take a look at the final Event – which by the way is Glorious:

    “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.”

    In closing………today I just felt led to show some of the details mention in Scripture about the Return of Christ. Admittedly I have been Pre-Wrath, but I’m sorry….It really looks like a Post Tribulation Return of Christ, just viewing the facts. This is not adding anything to it, or taking away from it. Just the Facts.

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  9. It sounds like you a still a pre-wrather to me –
    and with:
    But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
    (1 Thessalonians 5:8-9 ESV)
    I know that could be interepreted to mean the final wrath of God poured out on the unsaved with the lake of fire – I believe it is all the wrath of God being poured out on the world in the bowl judgements (and possibly the trumpets, but I’m still unsure).
    It would seem that scripture tells us that we ARE destined to suffer tribulation and trials – and should rejoice in it that we are counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name as our brothers the apostles did (Acts 5:41)

    I see the modern world lacking a capacity to acknowledge how much Glory would be given to God in a church that would stand firm despite the most extreme trials that the Antichrist and his minions can throw at us – to be snatched from his grasp at a time when he thinks he is about to achieve his greatest triumph and rid the world of the household of Christ. It would be second only thus far – to the way Satan and his demons were thoroughly humiliated how, when at the moment they thought they succeeded in killing God in the flesh – their evil plan was overturned by a sinless savior that death could keep no hold on. It would also then be overshadowed further by the triumphant return of the same King to reclaim his rightful throne in the world to come.

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  10. well put and thanks-i like the way you’re thinking justasheep. and thanks mr baldy-you bring such good summations too–it helps keep the focus where it belongs. God has a Glorious Way to bring His Church t-h-r-o-u-g-h as much as He deems necessary for us to endure. ever in Command-His enemy and ours-is no match for Him. Hallelujah!

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  12. i googled, about a week or so ago, “how do pretribbers handle john6:39-40” and it was interesting to see their viewpoint. check it out for the sake of it, if you wish to do so,….i mean, we have to wonder???

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  13. One thing I do know, we are not appointed to suffer the wrath of God, but the wrath of Satan, yeah we were appointed to follow our Lord in that regards. Prewrath of posttrib, tell you the truth I am one of the other and have not quite figured out the differences in that. I used to be pretrib, until I really studied it out and let go of what was taught to me in church. It does not hold up to the scriptures at all. But try to convince some people of that, which I no longer even attempt to do. Thanks Mr. Baldy and others. One day soon I will figure out the difference between prewrath and postribulation, but I do know we are not whisked away to a big party in heaven while all hell breaks loose down here below. No way that one has any truth to it, as the pretribbers claim.

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  14. Hi Andre’, Romalynn and others,

    Revelation 7:9 clearly gives testimony that a “great multitude” which no one could number is standing before the throne and the Lamb – and they have come “out” of the great tribulation. Where the speculation comes in at is that this occurs in heaven – this is mostly from the Pre-tribulation Rapture camp, and I may add the Pre-wrath believers as well.

    Well let me say that Matthew 25:31 gives clear evidence that when Christ “comes” with all the holy angels accompanying Him He will sit on the throne of His glory. Verses 32-46 goes on to give what is referred to as the Sheep & Goats Judgement. This clearly is at His “Coming”. This is different than the Great White Throne Judgement in Revelation 20.

    Here is Matthew 25:31-46….

    31) “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32) All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33) and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left. 34) “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35) For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36) naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ 37) Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? 38) And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39) When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40) The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’ 41) “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42) for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43) I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ 44) Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ 45) Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46) These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

    In my very humble opinion, these verses are consistant with a Post Tribulation Rapture of the Church. They further show that there is a distinction between the Sheep & Goats Judgement, and the Great White Throne Judgement that occurs approximately 1,000 years later, and the second Resurrection occurs.

    I’m mentioning all this because as the World presents very clear evidence that we are living in the Last Days – one should not be caught up in “escape-ism”, or that they will not suffer. Our Lord gives warnings, and they are to the Body of Christ. Like:

    1) “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keep his garments”
    2) “That day & hour no one knows – ONLY the Father”
    3) “The Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.”
    4) “Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming”
    5) “But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.”

    Some of the aforementioned examples I have provided before, but I repeat them to emphasize a point. Many can “read into” Scripture, and believe that this is indicating an unknown Pre-tribulation Rapture – but Scripture indicates that these events will occur “At His Coming”. He’s coming in His Glory “once” – and not at some secret Rapture event. I believe that Scripture is clear that the Body of Christ – those who are dead first, then we who are alive will be resurrected to meet Christ in the air at His Coming – which is the “last day” of this present age, but clearly not the End of the World. This is also the First resurrection. The Second resurrection occurs approximately 1,000 years later at the Great White Throne Judgement; in which the dead are judged.

    In closing, I am certainly not trying to be dogmatic about this view, and only present it as I have feel led. I also am attempting to have some ‘reproof’ based on Scripture if I am in error. Just trying to learn as well folks…… This whole End Time prophecy deal is a mystery. I just hope and pray that some don’t lose sight of the big picture, because they are looking at a “secret” Rapture, and we are not able to endure to the End.

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  16. Mr. Baldy, I respectfully, wholeheartedly disagree with you on the post trib rapture. FOLLOW THE COSMIC DISTURBANCE! That is, my friend when the rapture takes place….we are not appointed to God’s wrath but we will definitely suffer tribulation. His wrath falls at the time of the cosmic disturbance and we go up!! Notice also, Jesus comes ON THE CLOUDS (in the gospels) at the time of the cosmic disturbance and gathers His elect which perfectly describes the catching away as we read in Thessalonians.

    Notice the cosmic disturbance happens at the 6th seal in Revelation…AFTER THIS MASSIVE GLOBAL EVENT, they say “the wrath of the Lamb has come”, THEN we see THE 144,000 sealed as God is about to go back and deal with Israel, THEN (directly after this event) we see multitudes (so vast that John says no man can count) around the throne….why? They have just been caught away….then God’s wrath falls via the trumpets and bowls. Of course we can agree to disagree but this is so clear in scripture…just had to throw my two cents in there. Thanks all for the discussion!!
    Joel 3
    30 “I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth,
    Blood, fire and columns of smoke.
    31 “The sun will be turned into darkness
    And the moon into blood
    Before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.

    Matt. 24:
    29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from [r]the sky, and the powers of [s]the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His [t]elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

    Mark 21:
    24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light, 25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in [m]the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His [n]elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

    Luke 21:
    25 “There will be [p]signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the [q]world; for the powers of [r]the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

    Revelation 6:
    12 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. 14 The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the [m]commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they *said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the [n]presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

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  17. ” I also am attempting to have some ‘reproof’ based on Scripture if I am in error. Just trying to learn as well folks…… This whole End Time prophecy deal is a mystery. I just hope and pray that some don’t lose sight of the big picture…” bless you mr baldy. i agree. have seen a few different views (about rapture and endtimes) and some of it is plausible–however–i know i must leave room for God to have a much bigger better Plan than what man can think up so i think you said it right-it is supposed to be a mystery and only as some things happen (on God’s timetable) will we know how it fits the big picture view of Scripture. i believe the Spirit of God will give us whatever heads-up we need when we need it. i have left the pre-trib camp also. did not see many people of that persuasion very urgent about winning souls either i might add. just busy with church and looking forward to the “big party in the sky” kind of attitude as roma said. i do know we are not appointed to wrath (i so agree with you roma what i believe the Bible says). reading in revelation about it being so bad here on earth that people want to die and cannot-sounds like horrible wrath to me so i do not think we are here for that when it gets at that level. but…..i just leave what i do not know to the Lord and it is what i do know that i am responsible for–examining my own heart–am i walking close to the Lord-closer today than yesterday? it is just a good touch base attitude to have in my opinion and i love that people here at unsealed are faithful to keep the Main Thing the Main Thing. the Lord always assures from His Word of His Keeping Power. i am not “keeping” myself–religion expects that but not Jesus. however long we are here-what we must endure-i trust my God and Savior that He has good planned in spite of the severe crumbling of this world system going on around us. His Love and Power will sustain us——-then Home! Lord the thought of being finally Home with You almost takes my breath away.***!!!Praise and Honor to God Alone!!!***

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  19. Hi Made4eternity,

    The very Scriptures that you provide absolutely prove my point. Christ returns “after” the tribulation of those days. This is the “last day” – and Scripture is clear that those who put their trust and faith in Him – He will raise them up at that time. This is indicative of the Rapture or 1st Resurrection.

    Viewing the cosmic signs is one thing, reading into Scripture is another. Placing His Coming prior to this event, and “gathering the elect” unto Himself would be in error.

    I really don’t like to debate about the timing of the Rapture, and of course I’m with you about agreeing to disagree. I just felt led to mention this because of the times that we are in, what we are witnessing and experiencing with absolute deception and lies.

    I just want to add that if one is not well rooted in Scripture, he/she could be easily caught up in the very, very, clever lies of Satan. We are no match for him. There are so many False Teachers out there today – that I really wonder if there are any true men who are on fire to Preach the Word of God, without there being any personal gain attached. Deception is real. And most of it stems from false teachings.

    In closing, may we all not add or take away from Scripture to fit a particular theory. I don’t believe that I have done this in anything that I have ever posted – however, I believe that I have been wrong on some viewpoints.

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  20. Mr. Baldy…
    I agree that we should be prepared to suffer for Christ, that is what we should all consider… However I will say that scripture is clear that the wrath of God is not ment for those he loves and or his elect. He spared Noah, and Lot from his Wrath after all…
    Matt. 24:22 – And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

    I’d also like to maybe draw your attention to the following verses and maybe consider that they are some how linked… Something I’ve been considering for some time now…

    Matt. 24:28 – For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.(KJV) I think Judgement is coming and with that Judgement the punishment will be death.. Thus the Carcase… However what about the Eagles?
    The NIV says Vultures… However what would be the difference between an Eagle and a Vulture? Vultures eat dead things, but Eagles don’t eat things already dead, they want to kill their own food… Maybe the Eagles are gathered together possibly for a war… now follow me here…

    What about the Mariage Supper?
    Revelation 19… What is the Main Course?
    Kings, Captains, and Might men…
    Revelation 19:18 – That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
    but also verse 17 – And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
    Ezekiel 39:4 – Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
    Maybe I’m reaching here, but there is a lot of scripture that refers to Eagles, and maybe instead of a rapture, maybe we are some how transformed into the likeness of Angels and or Eagles…

    I also think that some how all of this happens in a chain reaction that starts the whole process and it is quickly almost simultaneous. Thus that is why it appears that the Ezekiel 38 & 39 War and Armageddon are so closely related… It will litterally all come in like a flood.

    Anyway for what it’s worth I thought I’d throw some of my thoughts out there… Ultimately it is better to have a prepared heart for suffering then for something grand that may not happen…

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  21. Hi Berryblueberry,

    I agree with you that the we are not appointed to wrath – as Scripture is quite clear on that. Where the “reading into” Scripture comes in at, is placing us in Heaven.(I’m just not so sure on that) In the example you gave about Noah, he was never “raptured” from the earth. Further “reading into” Scripture would be if one were to use Matthew 24:22 (as you have provided), and place us in Heaven as well, just because there is an indication that the days will be shortened. What does that mean exactly?

    As far as your theory on the Eagles, I’m just not sure as well – only that the example given in Revelation 19:18-21 states that the flesh eaten is of “all people” – and some are killed by the sword from the mouth of the Lord; so it must also have some symbolic meaning.

    Let me point out that when Christ Returns, there will be those who will be in mortal bodies that will be allowed to enter into the Millennial Kingdom. Zechariah 14 gives us an example of that. They of course will have to be the ones who re-populate the Earth.

    I see this all as one event. Not a secret Rapture that occurs prior to a future 7 year tribulation period – which Scripture never mentions the duration. I really don’t see a Pre-wrath Rapture any longer either – not without “reading into” Scripture.

    I see Christ Returning after the tribulation period has ended – indicating the “Last Day” of this age. As He Returns, the dead in Christ are resurrected then those who are alive in Him – we all meet Him in the air, and accompany Him to the Earth. There will be a remnant of people that are alive who did not take the “Mark of the Beast”; who will be allowed into the Millennial Kingdom, and they will be considered Sheep – as He divides the Nations upon His Return. There will also be a remnant of people who will be the Goats in this division, they will be destroyed, and sent to hell to await the Great White Throne Judgement approximately 1,000 years later. After the Millennial Reign is over, Satan is let loose to deceive those who were born during His 1,000 year Reign. God destroys Satan’s final attempt, along with the evil doers, and the Great White Throne Judgement occurs – in which the wicked dead are raised. This will be the 2nd Resurrection. Death and Hell are then finally cast into the Lake of Fire.

    So in closing, I am still studying the whole End Time scenario – but I no longer see a Pre-wrath Rapture; and definitely not a Pre-tribulation Rapture. When Christ Returns – that will be “IT” – a one time deal. Remember the Disciples asked about His Coming. Paul later reveals the Rapture – but he never indicates that it occurs prior to His Physical Return – but at “His Coming”. Paul further describes “Our gathering unto Him” as a specific day – which is at “His Coming”. Paul goes on to say that that “DAY” will not come unless the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-8) This is another clear indication that we will be here during the tribulation period. Jesus gives an example of not believing those who says that He will be in certain places; like the “desert” or in the “inner rooms” – this is yet another warning to the Body of Christ about His Return. He describes His Return as the lightning coming from the east and flashing to the west. These warnings are not given to unbelievers, but to believers, so that they are not deceived. (Matthew 24:24-27)

    Now, I would venture to ask the question: How we will be protected through the Wrath of God, or will we actually be Raptured prior to His Wrath being poured out? Can someone please answer that one, without “reading into” Scripture?

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  22. I’m where Romalynn is at with this one – all the way including the party. I wish that we were going to a party during this time but definately believe after studying it out that we aren’t. Pre-wrath or post trib – again not sure of the difference. One thing, Mr. Baldy, maybe I’m misunderstanding what you are saying, but I don’t understand why the Lord would gather us in the sky and immediately come back down to earth. That part doesn’t make sense to me. I’m not saying you are wrong or that the Lord couldn’t do it but that it just doesn’t make sense to me. Thanks to everyone for the time and efforts put forth for the body of Christ at this time of great deception during the wait for his return.

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  23. Romalynn, Brenda, and everyone,
    for me, as a Swede, I hadn’t even come across the escatological viewpoint of ‘pre-wrath’ until recently, and I even believe it was on this site(?).

    In Sweden, if the return of Jesus Christ is talked of at all (!?), the classical standpoint is still the ‘Thief in the Night’, pretrib scenario. And this is because hardly anybody seems to want to touch the subject. Most of evangelical christendom somehow still rests comfortably on the traditional pretrib-rapture teaching.

    But things are stirring among the ‘grassroots’,and there is a longing among some of us, to read Scripture in it’s entirety, and not to skip over the prophetic/apocalyptic texts, which is normally done.
    (Why – I just read my old Bible school doesn’t want to presuppose anymore, that the Bible is the Word of God! It would ‘limit ones ability to approach the texts’…!)

    I used to think posttrib/ prewrath were interchangeable terms, since I believe Scripture supports the resurrection/rapture happening after(post) the tribulation, but before(pre) the wrath of God.

    But now I think there’s more to the distinction, in that pre-wrathers hold to a consecutive order of events, that to my understanding doesn’t add up.

    One detail is, that the resurrection rapture is supposed to happen some time during the final 3,5 years, and then the ‘last trump’ comes at a much later stage.
    Well, I understand the scripture says the dead in Christ shall be resurrected AT the last trump – and we/those who remain shall be caught up whith them.
    So the differences have more to do whith the timing, and the playing out of events.

    I have understood the seals, trumpets and bowls to be overlapping, and increasing in intensity, rather than consecutive and linear in time. (Just like whith the delivery of a baby…) And, if I’m not mistaken, don’t they all end whith a great earthquake? Could it be referring to the same event – when Messiah puts His feet on the ground?

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  24. ‘Mr Head of Wisdom’, 😉
    it is so true that we have been assuming, and been taught to assume so many things.

    And, really, what does Scripture say absolutely HAS to happen Before Jesus comes back?
    Well, first, the ‘man of sin’ must be revealed.
    (So, unless we die first, we will be around to see him.)

    And, what absolutely HAS to happen Before the Antichrist is revealed?
    A peace agreement? A rebuilt temple? A War?
    Well, here we cannot be so sure. We have to carefully examine just what we have presupposed, and what Scripture actually teaches.

    I believe that, just as the ‘experts’ of the day on Messiahs coming, actually Missed His coming (!), so we also risk missing the signs of the times, if we are assuming and presupposing too much in advance.

    I believe we have to ‘peel back’ our old assumptions, to get to the fresh core.
    Maybe the Antichrist will only be revealed by his actions at the ‘abomination of desolation’? And even then, it will probably be disputed among Christians, as to whether this really is ‘the man’ (‘or should we wait for someone else?’)

    You probably agree whith me on this.

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  25. One thing we may have spoken of here, I am not sure, is how the feast days, the appointed feasts by God relate to the second coming. I am not at a point of finally saying I have got it down, but it does seem to me that the last day of the feast is talked about in many places.
    The feast of tabernacles or booths I think is the fall one before the day of atonement, or yom kippur, I have read that Jesus fulfilled the spring feasts, passover, etc and needs to fulfill the fall feasts but since the fall feasts, seem to be contained in the sacrifice for sin of Jesus on the cross, to be honest of that I am not sure. If the feasts were all leading Israel to understand Jesus and what messiah would come to do, then seems to me all of them might be fulfilled in his first coming. However, of this like I said, I am not sure.
    Neh 8:16 So the people went forth, and brought them, and made themselves booths, every one upon the roof of his house, and in their courts, and in the courts of the house of God, and in the street of the water gate, and in the street of the gate of Ephraim.
    Neh 8:17 And all the congregation of them that were come again out of the captivity made booths, and sat under the booths: for since the days of Jeshua the son of Nun unto that day had not the children of Israel done so. And there was very great gladness.

    Neh 8:18 Also day by day, from the first day unto the last day, he read in the book of the law of God. And they kept the feast seven days; and on the eighth day was a solemn assembly, according unto the manner.

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  26. Joh 6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

    Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast********************, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

    Joh 7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.

    *************Joh 7:2 Now the Jews’ feast of tabernacles was at hand.

    Joh 7:3 His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest.
    Joh 7:4 For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.
    Joh 7:5 For neither did his brethren believe in him.
    Joh 7:6 Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready.
    Joh 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.
    Joh 7:8 Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come.

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  27. Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

    Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

    Now figuring out that last day He spoke of so many times, let me tell ya, I am still working on it, but my prayer is that as I study it will get more clear, and the most important part is that I be ones of those in that last day, a believer in Jesus worthy to be taken.

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  28. The feast of tabernacles or booths I think is the fall one before the day of atonement, or yom kippur, I have read that Jesus fulfilled the spring feasts, passover, etc and needs to fulfill the fall feasts but since the fall feasts, seem to be contained in the sacrifice for sin of Jesus on the cross, to be honest of that I am not sure.

    so sorry, we need an edit button on here
    that should say after the day of atonement, yom kippur, first day of the year

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  29. i agree roma–all this fits in there somehow–not sure myself but i think it deserves a deeper look. we’ll see if there are more happenings that correspond with those appointed times as i have read from several sources (mark biltz and others) that could be coming to pass. it is still much a mystery to me about some of what is to happen and when with the endtimes–but i do know we are in them (!) because of Scripture revealing itself. i only expect that to continue and the mysteries unravel accordingly because God fulfills every Word He has spoken so i think you are so right to point that out in the passage you quoted. we know the Spirit of God promises to guide us with the Word of God and will interpret what else we will be seeing. i think the feast days and signs in the heavens are clues so i’ll keeping pondering all this in my heart and will keep on watching.

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  30. Mr. Baldy… I think I see where you are going, and I’d agree with you, because I don’t think I ever really considered a rapture that spares us from hardship or the tribulation. I’d have to go back through scripture to really nail down the verses that back what I’m saying, but I believe that we are transformed in the twinkle of an eye to be gathered together and then caught up to meet Christ in the Air, and I believe that we are actually caught up to go and do battle, and for the marriage feast. I don’t think we are raptured and then just sitting around in heaven… I think things transpire rather quickly and again almost happen simultaneous. Even the battle will be quick, and then we are here to rule with Christ… And then like you have said in the past… The 1000 year period could in fact be just 1 day…

    Anyway my 2 cents…

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  31. Romalynn, André,
    you might want to have a look at ‘End Times Pilgrim’, the site of (Australian) Dr Gavin Finley.
    He has laid out a possible scenario, or timeline for the ’70:th week of Daniel’, which incorporates the Feasts in a beautiful way.

    We try to understand things by the knowledge we have on hand. And, with time, whith the Holy Spirit’s help, as we search the Scriptures, I believe ‘knowledge shall increase’.

    As I’ve come to realise how neatly, and perfectly, God has fulfilled the spring feasts in Messiahs first coming, so I believe there will be an equally perfect, and complete fulfilment of the fall feasts – some year…

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  32. Here is a link:
    http://endtimepilgrim.org/chart2.htm

    I don’t know if I agree whith Dr Finley on all the details.
    For instance, I don’t necessarily believe that there needs to be a rebuilt temple, in order for the AoD to take place, since the greek word for ‘temple’, in tihs context, is the same term as when Scripture talks of the Body of Christ being the temple.
    Thus, it might… have a spiritual interpretation.
    (We need to be aware of this possibility.)

    But Dr Finleys lay-out is still very interesting, and I recommend you to browse his site, and read some of his articles (post-trib).
    Let me know what you think.

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  34. Hi Brenda,

    You wrote:

    “One thing, Mr. Baldy, maybe I’m misunderstanding what you are saying, but I don’t understand why the Lord would gather us in the sky and immediately come back down to earth. That part doesn’t make sense to me. I’m not saying you are wrong or that the Lord couldn’t do it but that it just doesn’t make sense to me.”

    Good point!

    I initially had this concern as well – but then I got to thinking…….why not?
    Let me now ask you, why are the angels sent to the four winds from one end of heaven to the other to gather us – the elect; together at His coming? (Matthew 24:31) I mean, what’s going on here?

    Apparently the Rapture is occurring at this time – and/or the 1st Resurrection. But why are the angels given the task of gathering the elect at His coming? (We must remember that there are a whole lot of things that are to come after Christ actually arrives on Earth). We aren’t told that we are whisked right up to Heaven, but in the Air. What Jesus tells us in John 14 is that He is going to prepare a place for us. He goes on to say that He will come again, and receive us to Himself that where He is, we may be there also. He never says that He will then be taking us to Heaven. The place that He is preparing appears to be a future event, when the New Jerusalem which descends out of heaven after the Great White Throne Judgement, and all things have been made new. Revelation 21.

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  35. amen tony. (my thumb is stickin’ up in the air at what you said!) we have nothing if we live without the Hope of Jesus’ Salvation and Glorious Return in our hearts! (come what may it will be worth it all when we see Jesus……..) angela, thanks. i have been to that site and there is some wonderful info there. like you i don’t think i quite agree with everything but no matter…God has a beautiful Plan to unfold and i agree that He will fulfill what He said to the letter in gorgeous detail–some of which i know i do not fully understand as yet….looking through the glass darkly at present and seeing shapes and forms for now—but one day i/we will!

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  36. Hi BerryBlueBerry,

    I wholeheartedly believe that the “Last Day” of this age will literally count as a single 1,000 year day. Let me explain…….

    When viewing the 70th week, or final week we are given the term “Day of the Lord”. There are many explanations out there describing the 70 weeks that have been determined, and all sorts of theories on the 1,230 days; 1,290 days, and 1,335 days – but none of them add up. So in viewing the final week – or last 7 years, the question for me becomes: why is the “Day of the Lord” mentioned as a “day”? Well, I believe that this “day” has to be included in the 70 weeks of Daniels prophecy – and this day is 1,000 years long.

    I think that we find our answer first in 1 Corinthians 15:20-28:

    20) But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21) For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23) But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, 24) then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25) For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26) The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27) For He has put all things in subjection under His feet. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28) When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

    If you’ll notice in the aforementioned verses of Scripture you should see that we have the Resurrection – which is clearly at His Coming – and we, who are in Him are made alive. Notice that “He must reign” until all enemies have been put under His feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is DEATH. Then He hands the Kingdom back to God the Father – so that God may be all in all. Well, all this cannot be completed until the 1,000 year Reign is over. Death, sin, and rebellion will continue; Satan is let loose for a season then the GWTJ will happen.

    Lets now take a look at 2 Peter 3:8-10:

    8) But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9) The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.10) But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.

    Here we have the comparison of the “Day of the Lord” being as “one day”. We just read in 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 how He has to “Reign”. Then we are given how the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Well, let me say that this all happens within that “Day” as well. Looking at Revelation 20:11 we see that example given AFTER the 1,000 year Reign.

    Revelation 20:11 reads:

    11) Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.

    The aforementioned passage of Scripture appears to work in conjunction in what is being described in 2 Peter 3:8-10.

    In closing, as many of you know, I am never dogmatic about my views. But over and over again in Scripture we see Christ Returning ONCE. The 1st Resurrection occurs at the timing of His Coming – and the rest…….well, I believe it speaks for itself.

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  37. ‘Iranian warships dock in Sudan in sign of peace’ http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=289725

    Speaks for itself, wow.

    “Iran’s semi-official Fars news agency said that the vessels docked in Port Sudan on the Red Sea and the fleet’s commanders were scheduled to meet Sudanese navy commanders.

    Sudan, with close ties to Iran and Sunni jihadis, has long been seen by Israel as a conduit for weapons smuggled to the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip, via the Egyptian Sinai desert.”

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  39. anythings possible?,….i’ve made my peace and man i’m feelin’ fine. onward and UPWARD! hi Andre’,……….jubilee to you and what they call SHALOM!, tony

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