A question about shepherds in Jeremiah

This post isn’t as much about observations, as it is a question to my brothers and sisters here who watch, read and study the scriptures in order grow closer to our Lord.
I’ve read this passage before and it always seemed to be some kind of warning to the men in the fields in the middle east, I never even pondered that it could be something else.
  “Wail, you shepherds, and cry out,   and roll in ashes, you lords of the flock, for the days of your slaughter and dispersion have come,   and you shall fall like a choice vessel. No refuge will remain for the shepherds,   nor escape for the lords of the flock. A voice—the cry of the shepherds,   and the wail of the lords of the flock! For the LORD is laying waste their pasture,   and the peaceful folds are devastated   because of the fierce anger of the LORD. Like a lion he has left his lair,   for their land has become a waste because of the sword of the oppressor,   and because of his fierce anger.”
(Jeremiah 25:34-38 ESV)
Is this a warning to the shepherd of our day – the pastors of the flock that is the church? How many so-called pastors are smiling on a stage telling people how to have their best life now, and how to achieve the great things that God has in store for the – when in reality the should be clothing themselves in sackcloth and covering their heads in ashes to warn the church of the imminent disaster. I’m probably premature in posting this – I still feel a strong need to further study the context of this passage in Jeremiah’s text – and to better understand the many symbols that are invoked in the latter half of this passage. I’d invite any of you come along with me in the journey if you feel so lead.
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19 thoughts on “A question about shepherds in Jeremiah

  1. i so agree with you. it has more than one application i’ll bet but it sure fits “church” today in the broad sense justasheep. rare (but there are some thank You God) are the shepherd’s who call for repentance-sackcloth and ashes as you said-to return to the Lord and actually prepare the sheep to endure hardship in the Lord’s Grace and All-Sufficiency as good soldiers of the Cross. the hirelings by way of example and teaching are choosing to cherry pick the text for sermons to uphold and reinforce false hope born out of fleshly-carnal-pride. a very sad state of affairs and very fitting for this age of deception……………………………………i choose instead to hear shepherds who lead this way–and in my own private as well as corporate study and prayertime-philippians 3:10-that i may know Him and the power of His Resurrection and the Fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable unto His Death. shepherds like what you describe are fattening up sheep for the kill.

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  2. Rob you have blessed my heart this morning in more ways than one.

    We were travelling with a pastor and his wife last week and he asked me what my favourite book in the bible was and why.( I loved the opportunity to be able to share the deep concern for the apostasy and the doctrines of demons that are smack in the midst of us )

    I shared my love for Jeremiah and how His own are struggling with the very same situations today. He allowed me to lament and shared these verses with him that the Lord has been confirming all of last week. I am convinced that many will bear witness to what the Spirit is saying.

    Here is a copy/paste of my e-mail to him and pray that it encourages those of us that have a heavy burden for the spiritual darkness that has engulfed our world !

    These verses have been coming up in my quiet time with the Lord over the past week and a half and pray that the Lord will never allow me to cower down under the threatening voices that want to silence and kill ( with words ) His own.

    We fear no man (that can only kill the body ) ( just as Jeremiah )

    Jer 9:5 — And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.

    Jer 5:31 — The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

    Jer 9:4 — Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders.

    Mat 6:23 — But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

    1Jo 3:11 — For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

    1Jo 3:12 — Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother.And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous.

    1Jo 2:11 — But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

    Dan 2:22 — He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

    Phl 3:18 — (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

    Phl 3:19 — Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.

    Act 7:51 — Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

    Act 7:52 — Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

    Act 13:8 — But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation)withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.

    Act 13:9 — Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,

    Act 13:10 — And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

    Rev 3:17 — Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

    Rev 3:18 — I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thoumayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

    1Ti 4:1 — Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    2Ti 4:3 — For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers,having itching ears;

    Mr Sheep I would love it if we could all dig deeper into this passage yes and maybe by doing that it will solidify what we are hearing from the Holy Spirit.

    Blessings,

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  3. amen Hisown. coupling with what you posted is this verse and those like it that are what i see happening in these days too and it is gut-wrenching (no wonder jeremiah’s eyes were rivers of tears) jeremiah 6:13-14…every one is given to coveteousness : and from prophet even unto priest, everyone dealeth falsely. they have-healed-also-the-hurt-of-the-daughter-of-My-people-slightly, saying, peace peace when there is no peace. so very many are not led to return to the Lord in repentance and faith (so that there would be Real Peace)-to Trust and Obey the Lord and His Word-instead whole families have been devastated by this darkness descending. slighting the Word of God and along with blab it and grab it-health wealth prosperity preaching has been bringing curse with it for decades. ( so “fixing” the economy is not the answer as many are being deceived to believe)….

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  4. In agreement here too, thankyou all for posting – these are things I have been contemplating so much these past few months (although it has been a great concern for several years). Heavy times, the truth is rejected, how much more we few have to do when so many shepherds have deserted their posts yet remain.

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  5. I praise God for you James and you obey the VOICE of the One that called you out. You are still daily in my prayers. 🙂

    Reminded me of my little ” vent” a while back.

    “While Men Slept!”

    What accusations are we to expect in the days just prior to Christ’s return?

    The enormity of His words “ they will HATE you for my name’s sake “ ring true , not only in the secular world, but within the walls of the “church”.

    We watch in horror the ramifications of allowing things to slowly creep into our lives which have managed to choke out ” the spirit of discernment” , oh how many are mesmerized by this new thing-” the emerging church”?

    As soon as one dares to bring to the light those things that have infiltrated the “ church “ – Idolatry, pagan worship, false brethren, false gospel, new-age teachings, love for self/ money/ praise/ success, we are silenced- period.

    I reflect on these scriptures the Lord has been affirming.

    Ye have condemned [and] killed the just; [and] he doth not resist you. James 5: 6

    Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
    James 5 : 10

    Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
    Matt 5 : 11

    If Christ has given us a clear outline what to expect in these times , would it not be so much easier to apply the truth of His life to ours when we are persecuted for His name’s sake.

    So “That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; Phil 3:10” ?

    What does , the fellowship of his suffering, being made conformable unto his death actually entail?

    As Christ was , so are we .- Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 1 John 4:17.

    He was falsely accused of –

    You bring division –

    Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

    For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes [shall be] they of his own household. Matt 10:34-36

    Who gives you the right to judge-

    Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matt 7: 15

    You are demonized/ delusional-

    But when the Pharisees heard [it], they said, This [fellow] doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. Matt 12: 24

    How dare you question -author/book/ministry” ?

    [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Matt 23

    True believers who refuse to compromise in their faith, who refuse to be subjected to the enticement of this one world new-age religiosity that has infiltrated the “ church” are running the risk of being maligned and persecuted as in the days of old , noted in Heb 11;36.

    We are surrounded by , provocateurs , tares, false brethren, gone the way of Cain and Judas , characterized by greed and extravagance, filled with a hypocritical love , ( they ) whom have forsaken the right way and gone astray following the way of Balaam, who loved the WAGES of unrighteous? – 2 Peter 2 : 15

    1 John 3 : 12 – gives us a clear warning of what to expect- these are filled with hatred , jealousy and animosity only because their works are evil, as Cain’s.

    Despises of those that are good.

    False accusers? Lovers of I , me and myself.

    No natural affection.

    Fierce.

    High minded.

    Lovers of pleasures.

    Resistor’s of truth.

    A form of religion. – 2 Tim 3 : 4

    Please tell me Lord it is not so!

    Christ’s exhortation for the true believer to grudge not , to be patient and to establish our hearts just prior to His triumphant return when He shall execute righteous judgment on those whom have lived in pleasure, been wanton, condemned and KILLED the just , whom none resist.

    James 5 : 10 , Matt 5 : 12 .

    Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you,( fierce and abusive verbal attack) and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Matt 5:12.

    In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me. Ps 56: 11

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  6. God sends the strong delusion. Try telling that to the tares and see their reaction 🙂

    2Th 2:11 — And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    Here is where the ” false shepherds ” come into play , (as those professing to know Christ) SEARCH out these ” teachers” that FEED their ” entitlement”.These wolves tell them WHAT they want to HEAR, feeding the LUST of the very things they ” worship” above God.

    It’s a dual deception.

    2Ti 4:3 — For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

    I found but a few references this morning.

    1) Serve self.

    2) Serve their belly.

    3) Speak vain words to deceive.

    4) Corrupt the Word of God.

    5) False Brethren – Tares

    6) Tossed to and fro with every wind ( double mindedness )

    7) Enticing and luring others into sin.

    8 ) Brute beasts.

    9 ) Servants of sin.

    10 ) Loved darkness over the Light

    There is a scripture reference to each of the ten point’s- happy bible study digging 🙂

    I remember a song back (in my unsaved days ) by Fleetwood mac about “sweet little lies” and for the life of me could not understand that even way back then, but now I do.

    It’s all been part of the seduction and men love it SO!!!!

    2Ti 3:13 — But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

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  7. There is only ONE Authority and thats the Authority ON HIGH,………….JESUS said Be Ready, for you know not the hour at which i come

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  8. they can preach all that but they ain’t gettin’ MY dog,….he’s priceless,……for i have riches more than these. i have learned more about the Love of Christ thru this sweet little fella,……….why,why,why he’s confirmed a covenant deep inside that no man can touch,…no enemy of God can affect this,……and.as most all can see, ” i have truely been touched ” and ALL the love i’ve ever absorbed has been CONFIRMED! we are fearless in CHRIST JESUS and open in love to test the spirits because we KNOW that GOD IS FOR US! I’m not trying to be cute here…………………………………………GOD PROVIDES

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  9. wondering how things are going on vic’s end…………….praying things are going alright for you and the family brother.

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  10. Vic, or anyone else who have the background and knowledge to help,
    My husband and I have a friend who we have been friends with for many years. My husband recently went to visit him and came away very concerned. It seems whoever is the pastor of the JW’s locally to where he lives has been visiting his home quite regularly and has almost convinced him to join up with his group. He told my husband that they seem to have all the answers and my husband cautioned him to stay away from them because they do not follow Jesus nor do they believe in Jesus. He said this pastor told him that they do believe in Jesus. He was ready to join up with them until they told him that he was baptised wrong and he would have to be baptised again if he joined them. He told my husband that he only knew of one way to be baptised so he told them he wouldn’t join their group. We have been praying for him but we would like you or someone on here to tell us how best to make him understand that Jw’s are a cult and not to let them deceive him. Any help would be appreciated because he is a good friend to us and we don’t want to see him deceived.

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  11. the jw’s have their own version of scripture,…their own book/translation/concoction of extra-biblical, added to the word of God, human wisdom with the small w, errorful info that takes the place of TRUE Truth and misleads so swiftly and so sublety. point it out scripturally, and do not engage in the drama of someone who is so very ANXIOUS to rescue , but let go and let God, trustfully. release the word and Truth and step out of God’s way so His word accomplishes its task, amen

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  12. we pray God’s will be done as we lift up your friends,….to Our Father, thru the blood of Our Savior, Jesus Christ and Him alone. we give Thanks that He will orchestrate! amen!!!

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  14. Nothing premature in anything you’ve said here, my friend. I’m yet another who reads the news, hears other news and wonders how the Lord’s patience is still in evidence.

    Only last night, I wondered if I’d be alive to see Christ’s return, things have got so bad in the world. Thanks for the warning.

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