The Gog Magog battle.

Iran (Persia) is in the news again and almost on a daily basis. Yesterday it was announced that Russia has lift its ban on delivering the S-300 missile system to Iran This system can protect Iran’s nuclear sites from attack. You can read about it HERE. With this news there is lots of speculation that Israel will attack Iran’s nuclear facilities. There is also speculation that the Eze 38/39 battle may be close.

I have posted a study on the timing of the Eze 38/39 battle in Jan 2011 (How time flies!!) I will repost it here for your consideration:

Were does Eze 38 (Gog/Magog) fit in the timeline?

A difficult prophecy is Eze 38 and 39. The troubling part is were does it fit into the timeline? The majority of people see the Gog/Magog invasion before the last 7 years or the 70th week starts. The main argument is the following verse:

Eze 39:9  And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

The argument for it happening after the 70th week started is also strong. I am starting to think that the Gog/Magog war may be the same as Armageddon or maybe overlapping Armageddon, but definitely in the last 3.5 years.

Consider the following verses:

Eze 38:8  After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

This shows us that it is a latter years (last days) war.

Eze 38:20  So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

VS

Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

This sounds to me like a verse that could have been taken out of Revelation and something that will happen during the wrath of the Lamb. Notice the mountains that shall be thrown down.

Eze 38:23  Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Eze 39:7  So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

Eze 39:21  And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22  So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

Eze 39:28  Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29  Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

The above verses says it all. After the battle EVERYONE shall know the LORD God. His face shall not be hidden from them again! Does it sound like there can be a “Time of Jacob’s trouble” after this event? I honestly doubt it. This is final judgment stuff.

Zec 12:9  And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:10  And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Zec 12:11  In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

The above Scripture makes it clear who the One will be that will fight the battle for Israel. It is Jesus Christ, the Lord God, the One who they have pierced.

Now the only Scripture that “proofs” that the Gog/Magog war will happen before the start of the 70th week is Eze 39:9, and that is a shaky proof. The argument for it is that the Jews will have to burn up the wood before the 1000 year reign of Christ start. My question is, do you really think that there will be no fire allowed on earth in that time? Do you really think that the Jews in physical bodies living under the Messiahs reign will never cook, heat water or melt metal for plows? Life will go on when Jesus reigns from Jerusalem. It will be a time of peace, but people will still need fire. So they will get the 7 years to burn the wood very easily.

As we see the world turning its back on Israel, Russia and Iran getting closer together and while the 7 year ENI is in place, we might be in a time were all of these prophecies are on the brink of fulfillment. To first watch for a Gog/Magog invasion with a 7 year time for burning wood after that might be risky and catch us off guard.

Comments welcome.

Wickus

 

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16 thoughts on “The Gog Magog battle.

  1. One of the keys to understanding this prophecy is to unpack the identity of who the prophet is speaking of when he mentions the “land of Magog”, Meshech, and Tubal – who are referred to more than once as a group in the text. A second grouping of names in the text is Gomer and Beth-togarmah.

    The identity of other names mentioned in the text seems pretty clear – Persia, Cush and Put. We know pretty clearly that Persia is Iran. Cush a son of Ham could refer to the people of either Ethiopia, or in my opinion more likely Sudan. Everything I’ve read was that Cush in antiquity was usually used to refer to many peoples directly to the south of Israel and an area south of Egypt, though other sources indicate a connection with the nations on the eastern side of the Red Sea as well on the Arabian Peninsula. Put or Phut, another son of Ham is very clearly identified with Libya as well

    A pretty interesting reference to the Genesis 10 table of nations is found here, https://answersingenesis.org/genesis/josephus-and-genesis-chapter-ten/ where the authors present information from the ancient historian Josephus relating to where the sons of Noah and his descendants settled, and how they are known today. The table also provides some pretty interesting insights into how the names are grouped throughout this text.

    Regarding the sons Japheth mentioned together at the beginning of the text, I had always assumed the prophet was referring the where they settled throughout Turkey. Thinking about it since, I think that could be one way of interpreting it, but I am also open to more in depth study of where the people groups that descended from that line would have settled across Europe and Asia. By going all the way back to the grandsons of Noah – it would seem that the descendants of these men could include many nations as we know them today. What I would caution against though, is the habit of some interpreters today to pin the tail on Russia and then ignore all evidence or other indications that would point to other nations in the region as well. I would really enjoy a more thorough review of any available evidence of where the descendants of Japheth mentioned in this prophecy settled, and where those peoples maybe have migrated to over the centuries. Too much of it seems to be steeped in national legends and myths that bear little confirmation from archeological or linguistic evidence to point clearly to who these people are that are mentioned in league with Gog- though it could seem to be many nations of Europe and/or central Asia.

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  2. looks to be getting close with some other details to further bring this on like is 17:1 and ps 83??? i agree with you vic ~ ” Does it sound like there can be a “Time of Jacob’s trouble” after this event? I honestly doubt it. This is final judgment stuff.” then the reign of the Prince of Peace after that 🙂
    watching!!! (and praying…..)

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  3. Does anyone know if the gog magog war is before the return of Jesus or near the end of the 1000 year after Armageddon? I have read conflicting articles on the net,some say before and some say after

    On a side note,
    Turkish PM Erdogan is calling for an Islamic union which will include north Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia.
    Link to images on google with maps

    https://www.google.com/search?q=erdogan+islamic+union&biw=1708&bih=756&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=xlk4VYiUNZH1oASzioHAAw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&dpr=0.8

    Here is an article from Israel News which talks about Peace through an islamic union
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/163731#.VTha85NfeFo

    Getting interesting
    Cheers 🙂
    Peter.

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  4. “Does anyone know if the gog magog war is before the return of Jesus or near the end of the 1000 year after Armageddon? I have read conflicting articles on the net,some say before and some say after”
    I think it is Both….just as many prophetic markers have a near and far application or Layered Fulfillment.

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  5. i had not thought of that before shorttribber but many times many prophecies have duel fulfillments as we have noted at times here. like a micro one and then a macro (final) one.
    a local or isolated scenario then later a wide spread or global one. thanks for that insight.
    prophecy is not skipping a beat is it?
    just keeps on clicking as the clock keeps on ticking…

    what a time to be alive……

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  6. “prophecy is not skipping a beat is it?
    just keeps on clicking as the clock keeps on ticking…”

    Yep, We hear the ticking, but in that Eternal Space that God alone inhabits, there is no such sound…..Only the Fulfillment of His Eternal Will is Revealed.
    But He only shares portions of it with us, Bit by Bit, Tick by Tock.

    That’s the way it seems to me while here in this Earthly and Temporal Dimension.

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  7. walking by faith,………Maggie n me, trusting JESUS * for to see. Please say a prayer for maggies sight to be restored. she went into blind darkness last Thursday, so sad. we made way to an eye specialist vet and she went trough eye surgery on Monday tis week. they said she would regain her eyesight within 5 days, she is everything to me and Jesus is the word *

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  8. hi andrea, since the day maggie was gifted me – almost 2 yrs. ago – one of her eyes was blinded by glaucoma and cataracts, the other eye gave out [kinda] suddenly as the lens became somehow defected due also to glaucoma and increased pressure and a cataract as well. the long term bad eye was completely removed and the eyelid has been stitched shut. the other eye has been repaired by removing the lens along w/ the new formed cataract, and the glaucoma starting in that eye is being treated.//// Maggie has been to see a local vet for the last 8 months for regular check ups and this issue did not show up in any of our visits as i brought up the subject of her eyes. //// we have been blessed to so very quickly be seen at the eye surgery clinic. as for now mag n i sense His presence in a very strong way. soon we shall take flight in the countryside,…its written in the wind *….we are praising Him and crying out in worship to Jesus the King of kings. We are counting on Gods orchestrated healing, in a substantial way, to take Maggie from darkness to light, to flight. Each new day will last for a thousand years for us together. Restoration is coming,…our God is preparing a feast. Maggie n me have ‘ a groovy kind of love ‘, and we are walking by FAITH. She is wonderful and strong and the flame is alive in her heart. mine too. please pray that as sure as catapillars turn to butterflys, Maggie will have new extraordinary vision as the healing moves forward. Thanks for asking andrea…will keep you all posted and will share a lovely happening from Thursday of last week [the first day of darkness] when I told Maggie that, “we need Jesus”. God spoke to us in the ‘twinkling of an eye’! and then He moved us into place so smoothly, like a miracle. Yes, we have high hopes in Jesus and childlike faith,….we can’t get over Him!!! He is a God of Love…a Good Shepard,…The Good Shepard. Thy Kingdom come, Thy Will be done, amen. Love to All, in Christ. goodnite

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  9. Hope all goes well with Maggie and she heals perfectly..
    I know how easily our pets become family, just can’t live without them…

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  10. thanks loop thanks vic,…..something wonderful is happening, in Christ Jesus…that’s all I know. yes, something perfect, somehow

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