Persecution… Jews and Christians

A German author travels deep into ISIS territory and comes out with a grim assessment: ISIS is “preparing the largest religious cleansing campaign the world has ever seen.”

Read the article on CNN by clicking HERE.

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125 thoughts on “Persecution… Jews and Christians

  1. Boetie don’t you just love how the Holy Spirit is affirming and confirming discussions we’ve had way before it even hit the airways 🙂 The Lord is so faithful. He has promised!

    I haven’t watched the clip but will do so as time avails.

    Shared in a txt to a sister in Christ yesterday ” The religious apostatized church is in bed with the RCC harlot. ISIS is the fabricated tool of the mother to make war on the saints. They will kill you thinking they’re doing God a service , takes on a new understanding ”

    Ecumenism is alive and well in almost every church and no wonder, all roads do indeed lead back to Rome! The daughters have come home.This is where I need to place both hands over my mouth !!! God help us.

    Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    Vic, you have mail.

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  2. That is a good article and video, It highlights how radical this movement is, they said they will take Europe eventually and kill hundreds of millions of people.. Well when they say people that means Christians, Jews and anyone else who hasn’t pledged their allegiance to Allah.

    Islam basically has 3 parts.. Shiites, Sunni and Sufism. And its Sufism which think they can talk to god directly hence if it does come to be the Religion of the Antichrist he will more than likely be a Sufi..when the Sufi says, “I am the Truth!” he is declaring himself to be God and is why it is most adequate to say that the Islamic Antichrist will be Sufi, taking upon himself the titles of Christ in his attempt to vanquish Christ

    “For Sufis, what’s important is approaching the inner meaning of God through mysticism. They try to reach an understanding of the hidden meanings of the world,” “They tend to be less wedded to an orthodox reading of the Quran. As a consequence, they have an open relationship with other religions.”

    What Islam REALLY Wants is The Coming of Al-Mahdi!
    This is from wikipedia, there is plenty more but i posted the first bit:
    “Muhammad ibn Hasan al-Mahdī (Arabic:محمد بن الحسن المهدي) is believed by Twelver Shī‘a Muslims to be the Mahdī, an ultimate savior of humankind and the final Imām of the Twelve Imams who will emerge with Isa (Jesus Christ) in order to fulfill their mission of bringing peace and justice to the world. Twelver Shī‘a believe that al-Mahdī was born in 869 (15 Sha‘bān 255 AH) and assumed Imamate at 5 years of age following the death of his father Hasan al-Askari. In the early years of his Imamate he would only contact his followers through The Four Deputies. After a 72-year period, known as Minor Occultation, a few days before the death of his fourth deputy Abul Hasan Ali ibn Muhammad al-Samarri in 941, he is believed to have sent his followers a letter. In that letter that was transmitted by al-Samarri he declared the beginning of Major Occultation during which Mahdi is not in contact with his followers.

    Followers of Sunni Islam and other minority Shias mostly believe that the Mahdi has not yet been born, and therefore his exact identity is only known to Allah. Aside from the Mahdi’s precise genealogy, Sunnis accept many of the same hadiths Shias accept about the predictions regarding the Mahdi’s emergence, his acts, and his universal Caliphate. Sunnis also have a few more Mahdi hadiths which are not present in Shia collections.

    The messianic belief in Mahdi helped Shias to tolerate unbearable situations to the level that without it the Shia religion might not have been able to survive persecutions in the course of history. It also acted as a moderating force among them by postponing political activities until the future coming of the Awaited Mahdi.[5]”

    Now we see Muslims everywhere wearing the Shahada on their forehead and right arms which is how they wear it as a declaration of faith and it says “I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is His servant and messenger.”
    There is picture after picture on the net of millions of Muslims wearing the shahada.

    Shoebat has a awesome view on this: “The mark of the beast or number of his name or name of the beast is a creed or declaration of faith, The Greek word charagma used for “mark” is actually a “badge of servitude” or of allegiance, ownership or servanthood. For instance, it could be used to refer to the branding on an animal signifying to whom the animal belongs. Strong’s Hebrew Lexicon defines charagma as “the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the badge of the followers of the Antichrist.” In this case, the “Name of the Beast”—some variation of the name Allah, worn as a declaration of submission by Muslims, is precisely what we would be looking for.
    Also note that the phrase “right arm” is from the Greek dexios, which could also be translated “right side.” As discussed above, the Islamic Shahada is actually a declaration of allegiance and servitude to Allah and Muhammad. This declaration is worn by millions of Muslims on the forehead or right arm. It can often be seen among Muslim demonstrators and radical Jihadists.. the Mark of the Beast is also some form of emblem or symbol of the Beast Empire that carries with it a blasphemous creedal element. As such, an Islamic emblem imprinted on arms and foreheads is an excellent possibility of what may be represented in the Mark of the Beast. But to make an “image” or an emblem of a kingdom is to give it a sense of national identity.”
    I Agree with that as it makes sense.

    Now we have the verse and its one that in my opinion can mean a few things.. Even since i was a kid i thought it would be a computer chip but it doesn’t have to be. Remember that this is a denial of the trinity as Islam doesn’t believe in the trinity. Whats blasphemy in Islam is holy as a christian and whats holy for Christians is blasphemy for Islam.

    Rev 13-16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
    The word (count) may be reckon or decide, the word (number) might mean multitude

    Remember it says 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, OR the name of the beast, OR the number of his name.

    Notice OR is a highlight to that verse,, so you can either have the mark OR a number OR name, it doesn’t say AND also it doesn’t say its a universal mark that all looks the same. They can be different but all point to a common theme in this case Allah.

    Here is a example how that verse might be translated in layman’s terms:
    Example: here is wisdom, let him that hath understanding reckon the multitude of the beast: for it is the multitude of a man; and his multitude is the name of Allah.
    The multitude of the beast (Islam) is the multitude of a “mam” (Muhammad); and this multitude comes ‘in the name of Allah”.

    I got lots more info, i have done a heap of research on this.
    Cheers
    Peter.

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  3. i’m not sure exactly but, didn’t someone post something a ways back about muhammad having something like 100 different names[a multitude of names]?, in a rather convincing post about islam? my memory is vague on this but i remember being fully persuaded by the comment and my return comment was – “checkmate” – and i may have also said, “you nailed it”!
    This is wild to put it mildly.

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  4. Whatever this rise of Islam represents, we can know one thing with absolute certainty – it is the work of the enemy. I am surprised that CNN even posted this – they seem more and more to be avoiding painting adherents to Islam as the violent murderers that their religion inspires them to be.

    Some things stood out to me- that 20000 troops allowed Mosul to fall to 300 fighters – because they didn’t fight for something believed in. I think Islam could be a scheme to use a counterfeit religion to turn the many self-worshippers (atheists, humanists, etc) against all religion and provide an excuse for making war on believers – with all other religions. Whether the AC comes from within Islam or the reaction of the revived Roman Empire to stem the conquest of the world by Jihadists – I still don’t think we can say with certainty. I do think its interesting though that our enemy would need to supply all the combatants in a global war for their to be a fight – since all true believers are taught to love their enemy and to bless those who curse us.

    We have a lot of work to do – since its going to get harder everyday to continue to share the Gospel in the midst of this global war- but I do believe there are many that are being deceived today by the schemes of Satan from the Muslim, Humanist/Atheist camps and all other false religions that will have their eyes opened before this is over.

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  5. Good comment Sheep and i agree with what you said 🙂 and yea Tony the guiding hand will help us on, good call 🙂

    Couple of points i want to highlight,
    Most of the Muslim countries around the middle east are actually the old eastern Roman Empire so if the AC does arise from say Turkey or wherever it will still be valid, The bible doesn’t specify eastern or western roman empire.

    All the nations Jesus fights against when he returns are currently all Muslim nations so unless they disappear or join the western EU, then i think again the ERE (eastern roman empire) is valid.
    For years i have always thought the western EU was more than likely the place that the AC will rise from but lately and the more i research the more i cant help but seeing the parallels with the AC arising from Islam, Nor will i dismiss the Western part either but the eastern roman empire and the ideology of Islam really makes sense.
    A third of the worlds population is Muslim and they will willingly follow a caliph (leader) and they will follow him to death and die for him.

    I have read posts where some people wont even consider Islam and are fixated on the EU but you can never say never when it comes to prophecy. Both theory’s are valid but the scales seem to be leaning more towards Islam rather than a union that is predominately christian.

    When Jesus returns i wouldn’t be surprised if the western world fights the AC’s armies with him, he wont be completely on his own against the whole world. But that’s a different story again that whole situation, The point of this is identifying the AC.
    People posted unlimited posts including myself about the EU over the years and i think we should at least watch Islam and talk about it.

    Cheers 🙂

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  6. i hear that bro. Mathieu, it seems as though with respect to the ac’s coming forth much is possible. i keep thinking about -the sons of ismael vs. the Sons of Issac-,…humm???, but who knows for sure? going back to the idea of even a child can understand the gospel….i thank God that He has given us Jesus* and down into the crux of the matter at the core of it all, its this relationship with Jesus by way of the Holy Spirit of Yahweh God, is all we need to know. we shall ‘stick with Jesus’ * Merry CHRISTmas!

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  7. As far as the coming Antichrist is concerned…..stick to the Word of God – and you won’t go wrong. I believe that there will come a time, when we can connect the dots, we will be able to look back and see how he actually came to power. As long as the European Neighborhood Policy is viable – I personally will continue to look at Javier Solana.

    God Bless you All! And Merry Christmas…

    Baldy

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  8. I will still continue to look at the ENPI but also Islam. Check this out:
    Muslims don’t honor women they regard them as second class. They also behead Christians and anyone pretty much that isn’t Muslim, But then again they even behead Muslims. I cant see that happening in Rome. Most of us were confused when the first ENP wasn’t the covenant and that might happen with the current one and the next one and the one after etc.. Satan i believe will jump into a religion that already has 1/3 of the world population in it. I would be careful dismissing either western or eastern Roman empire. Both deserve the research.

    Someone like Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is looking and sounding more and more Antichrist than Solana ever did. He is just stopping short currently of calling himself the Mahdi but he is openly stating he is reviving the ottoman empire.

    The Bible speaks of 8 kings. At the time Revelation 17:10-11 was written, 5 kings had come and gone, one was in power, and 2 were yet to come in the future.
    John said 5 kingdoms have fallen 1 is and the other has yet to come, he was in the 6th kingdom (roman empire) what came after Roman empire?,, Byzantine empire which was still called Roman empire and in 1453 was taken over from the Muslims (ottoman empire) which makes it the 7th kingdom. And that was wounded in WW1 and is now reviving which makes it the 8th kingdom.

    “Revelation 17:10-11, “And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.”

    They are calling Recep Tayyip Erdogan: The ‘new sultan’ (ill post links later).
    Muslim Brotherhood spiritual leader Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi called Erdogan “a man equal to Moses, the prophet”.

    They said Recep belongs to heaven the second floor, His metal is water and his letter is SIN (explanation below) . The name means Muhyi and is holy. Here believed Mahdi. He is the Prophet Moses (he of the Ten Commandments and the burning bush).
    Basically Recep is hailed as a prophet.

    Bursa lawmaker Hüseyin Şahin said “touching our esteemed prime minister, trust me, I believe is a prayer.”

    According to a party deputy from Duzce, Erdogan was a leader who embodied all qualities of God. Similarly, a local party boss from Aydin, in 2010, declared Erdogan the “second” prophet of Islam. Many other members of the party also went on record declaring that they were ready to die and become martyrs in defence of their leader, Erdogan.

    People need to understand Islam to get a bigger picture
    where is says his letter is SIN here is an explanation…
    The Sabians, who were pagans in the Middle East, were identified with
    two groups, the Mandaeans and the Harranians. The Mandaeans lived in
    Iraq during the 2nd century A.D. As they continue to do today, they
    worshipped multiple gods, or “light personalities.” Their gods were
    classified under four categories: “first life,” “second life,” “third life” and
    “fourth life.” Old gods belong to the “first life” category. They summoned
    deities who, in turn, created “second life” deities, and so forth.The other
    group, considered as Sabians, were the Harranians. They worshipped
    Sin, the moon, as their main deity, but they also worshipped planets and
    other deities.
    the month in which the Harranians fasted for
    thirty days, they honored the god Sin, which is the moon.
    The Assyrians, Babylonians, and the
    Akkadians took the word Suen and transformed it into the word Sin as
    their favorite name for the Moon-God, “Note the crescent moon of Islam.”
    Many scholars have also noticed that
    the Moon-god’s name “Sin” is a part of such Arabic words as “Sinai”, the
    “wilderness of Sin”, etc. When the popularity of the Moon-god waned
    elsewhere, the Arabs remained true to their conviction that the Moon-god
    was the greatest of all gods. While they worshipped 360 gods at the
    Kabah in Mecca, the Moon-god was the chief deity. Mecca was in fact
    built as a shrine for the Moon-god.

    SO some are calling Recep the moon god? Maybe.

    Sorry for the long posts but it might be important in the near future. just Encase.
    cheers
    Peter. 🙂

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  9. HI Lafreak,

    Let me first say that I respect your views – but I wholeheartedly disagree with them. There are many who are trying to incorporate this whole Islamic paradigm into Bible Prophecy – and guess what? …..It just doesn’t fit.

    I use Scripture as my guide. Daniel 9:26 – clearly describes the coming Antichrist as being from the “people of the prince who is to come”. It is they who” will destroy the city and the sanctuary.” The prince will come later, as indicated by Scripture. These were Romans Lafreak – not Turks, or from the Ottoman Empire. Scripture is quite clear on that.

    You have further mentioned that:

    “Tayyip Erdoğan is looking and sounding more and more Antichrist than Solana ever did.”

    Again, I have to respectfully disagree with that statement as well.

    Please show me where Tayyip Erdogan has ever rose to power after 10 Nations were established; show me where he is personally responsible for an initial 7 year Covenant with Many – which by the way is still in effect; and please show me where he has enacted any special powers that will be given to him by way of this same 10 Nation Confederacy in the case of a crisis – and it be associated with the number 666. Solana has fit this bill – which by the way is supported with Scripture. How has Erodgan fit what has been indicated in Scripture? One must ask: Has mere man decided to create this whole Islamic Paradigm in an effort to line his own pockets? I believe that whatever does not fit, should be discared as rubbish – as it surely needs to be supported with Scripture, and not the apparent intellectual mindset of men.

    In closing……. there are those who have ruled out the whole ENP theory because it did not come out as they have thought or believed the way that it should have in their own limited thinking. Right now, we as believers in Christ have a certain expectancy to believe that we are living in the Last Days……..However, some of us are subject to being “fickle”. Meaning we will change our minds at the drop of a hat to whatever sounds “right for the moment’; or “cool and acceptable” or “well it just makes sense” – and without looking at all of the evidence that supports the “mind set” that is being put forth. We absolutely MUST rely on Scripture as our source of Truth.

    Folks…..believe it or not, the ENP is still a very viable possibility. In Revelation 13 verse 5; it states: “authority will be given” to the coming Antichrist to “act” or “continue” for 42 months. Well, this statement in itself has to have an initial foundation.

    For the Body of Christ……please don’t get caught up in every sounding wind, doctrine; or rhetorical nonsense that just happens to come by. Let the Word of God be our Source – and the evidence that has been put forth will support it without any contradiction.

    Amen?

    Baldy

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  10. mister Baldy, you are quite brilliant for sure, anyone can clearly see this. what you have said about rev 13:5 carries much weight as you say and i cannot argue w/ that. also, solana is a mastermind and a man of great intrigue – no doubt. Rome could have had amongst its soldiers some members of the eastern leg of its Roman Empire, couldn’t it?, when it destroyed the sanctuary and the city in 70 ad. /// i wonder, if in fact Rome created Islam to begin with and now we see this Chrislam monster emerging with the pope kissing the Koran giving his seal of approval to such an unholy alliance………well all i can say is, Evil is a wicked thing, and i smell a rat. a babylonian- kabbalistic- catholic- islamic ac

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  11. Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

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  12. all evil can be traced back to rome,…..and further to babylon,……egypt,…..and the garden of eden. The dragon can be traced back to the serpent,….its easy to see

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  13. Eph 4
    11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
    13 …….Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God,………………… unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    “14…………THAT ……….we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;”

    Ps 68
    9 Thou, O God, didst send a plentiful rain, whereby thou didst CONFIRM thine inheritance, when it was weary.
    10 Thy congregation hath dwelt therein: thou, O God, hast prepared of thy goodness for the poor.
    11 The Lord gave the word:
    great was the company of those that published it.

    THEN……The Spirit/Spirits of the Loser Came to Divide and Conquer…just as they’ve done through history, from the time of Adam.
    http://www.fulfilledprophecy.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=68781

    BUT……..

    17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

    18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
    19 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. ……………………………..Selah.

    20 He that is our God is the God of salvation; and unto GOD the Lord belong the issues from death.

    Either way, Lafreak, Mr. Baldy, Tony, Hisown….and all that belong to Christ……
    We will Overcome the Loser when he shows up! But not by Might, nor Power, but by the Spirit of Almighty God!

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  14. Well said Shorty……

    I certainly know that no one knows whom the coming Antichrist actually will be until the A0D is committed. However, I still believe that there have been “road signs” left in place for us to still pay attention to – in that these same “road signs” have been posted by way of the ENP.

    Solana’s fingerprint has not disappeared from this 7 year “Neighborhood Policy” – a literal Covenant with Many – and I hope that we not forget that. Although he appears to have left the scene, there are those in the European Community who still boast about his brilliance, and make comparisons to those who have held the High Representatives Position.

    Please check out this link:

    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2014/12/26/year-in-review-federica-mogherinis-appointment-as-eu-high-representative/

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  15. Hi Mr Baldy, Hope you had a good Christmas 🙂

    Turkey was part of the Roman Empire.. the eastern part, show us in the bible where it says the western Roman empire is the one that confirms a covenant? It doesn’t. Google the maps of the Roman empire and you will see the middle east is part of that.
    As i said i will watch both EU and middle east. I don’t know why you just dismiss the eastern roman empire when there is plenty of pastors around the world that agree with the eastern theory. If the bible states western then why are people like Shoebat, Joel Richardson and go to you-tube or Google it and you will find a stack of people who are now looking at the eastern part. I wouldn’t dismiss eastern theory, Until its proven beyond doubt.

    Regarding Erdogan Muslims love him, Who loves Solana besides a few politicians? Erdogan or maybe a successor to him will be instantly followed by 1/3 of the earth and if a Muslim declares himself as a prophet or Mahdi a heap more will turn to Islam. Solana can stand on a stage and say im god but he will be laughed at in a christian democracy like the EU.

    All the abomination of desolation has to be is Islam putting up the crescent moon on the temple mount, Dome of the rock, or a rebuilt temple etc which they currently control.
    If the AC comes from Europe he will have to fight Islam to get to the temple mount, unless he is Muslim then there is no way ever he will get to the mount, so is Islam and Israel going to fight the antichrist together? I don’t think so.
    The western roman empire currently is predominately christian where the eastern part isn’t.

    As i posted before:
    These may be the ten heads or ten horns that attack Israel
    Territories occupied by the nations/tribes named in Psalm 83
    1. Edom = Modern Jordan:
    2. Ishmaelite’s = Saudi Arabia;
    3. Moab = modern Jordan;
    4. Hagrites – area bordering modern Jordan and Saudi Arabia;
    5. Gebal — probably modern Golan Heights and nearby in Syria;
    6. Ammon in modern Jordan;
    7. Amalek in the modern Sinai peninsula and the Negev;
    8. Philistia — modern Gaza Strip, part of the Palestinian authority;
    9. Tyre in modern Lebanon;
    10. Assyria — modern Syria and Iraq.
    Where in the bible is Western Roman empire mentioned by countries? no where but the eastern part is mentioned quite a bit. Especially the nations Jesus fights when he returns are ALL Muslim.

    Now the big 666 question.. Just look at the comparison to what John wrote and Islams creed: the “Bismillah (meaning “In the name of Allah” or “In the name of God”),”
    John wrote what he saw in his vision and from what i can see its Islam not the EU he seems to have seen in a vision.
    Chi Xi Stigma which is 666 translated in Greek and then look at the Bismillah with swords, its the same.
    I uploaded these images,

    http://tinypic.com/r/2r7puep/8
    http://tinypic.com/r/11ifgnd/8

    Satan has 3.5 years and if he was in the EU i seem to see it hard to create a new religion and get the world to follow him in that short time where he can have 1/3 instantly follow him if he uses Islam.
    How can he possibly mark everyone, most will tell him to shove it and no one will fight with a person who claims to be a god unless he is already in a established religion which denies the trinity and Islam does that. Islam will willingly put any mark, creed, number or whatever if it means following the mahdi without question.

    I always have thought the EU was right and you should know that but we research and learn daily.

    cheers

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  16. “All the abomination of desolation has to be is Islam putting up the crescent moon on the temple mount, Dome of the rock, or a rebuilt temple etc which they currently control.”

    Is it not Already An AOD, and the Crescent Moon ALREADY represented atop the Dome of the Rock? Doesn’t the ring on top, Heavily Weighted at the Bottom and much thinner near the Top ALREADY Represent the Moon, the Crescent Moon?

    Seems to me that it does……and what is written on the Dome is Much More Blasphemous and Antichrist in Spirit than any Crescent Moon. What is written….”He that READETH, Let them Understand”, What is Written is a Clear and Absolute Denial of the Son of God!

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Temple+Mount/@31.778118,35.235989,2a,90y,90t/data=!3m5!1e2!3m3!1s1116316!2e1!3e10!4m2!3m1!1s0x150329c91f33ffdb:0x6d2bbd5ce62d60ab!6m1!1e1

    ……………………….2018……………………………
    ………………………- 683……………………………
    ……………………..=1335…………………………….

    The Dome of the Rock was Constructed in 683………SEE what I’m saying here? If not….then….

    Reborn Israel turns 70, in may 2018………..Now can you SEE what I’m saying here?

    When you…………SEE…………the AOD………can you SEE IT yet?

    It WILL BE SEEN for What It…IS……SOON……we are only about a Shorttriber’s (3.5) Distance from that now Aren’t we?

    Very Clearly, right before Our Eyes is the Year for a Day Fulfillment of “Those Days” of Daniel 12 and Math. 24.
    But ANY DAY Now may (With the AOD we are all Expecting to Come) Begin the Literal 3.5 YEARS of the Loser.

    And you can take this to the Bank, Even the West Bank…….The DOME of The Rock WILL BE where IT ALL Happens!

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  17. Hi LaFreak,

    You wrote:

    “If the bible states western then why are people like Shoebat, Joel Richardson and go to you-tube or Google it and you will find a stack of people who are now looking at the eastern part. I wouldn’t dismiss eastern theory, Until its proven beyond doubt.”

    Well, let me first state that I’m not trying to start an argument over who is right or wrong about who the coming Antichrist may or may not be. Where I believe the problem therein lies is where people like Shoebat and Richardson are promoting ideas that have been proven to be false. They both want to incorporate this whole idea about a “Mahdi” ; using a resource such as the Quran – when the Quran never mentions the so-call “Mahdi”. So their basic pretense, or foundation is false – which subsequently makes them both False Prophets in my very humble opinion.

    It still amazes me that we have Believers who get caught up in this nonsense. Shoebat and Richardson have lined their pockets by putting out millions of books that many; unfortunately are becoming deceived by. Deception is very, very real. The key to understanding deception, is that it contains an element of Truth – however when carefully examined it doesn’t pass the proverbial “litmus test”. Shoebat and Richardson have both come, and they will most certainly pass – just as the unfounded rhetoric that they continue to sell to unfortunate people who desperately seek the Truth.

    In closing, as I have mentioned before I’m not trying to sell Solana – nor have I ruled out anyone as far as who fits the bill for the coming Antichrist – as the jury is still out. We will not know with absolute surety until the A0D has been carried out. What I have however ruled out are those who come forth with these new ideas that are very popular; make a lot of sense; many of those who are looking for answers desperately fall for; and they can’t seem to pass the “litmus test” when their own resources are proven to be faulty. Scripture has a name for them…….and they’re labeled “False Prophets”.

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  18. this is very exciting! i see mr baldy the link you have posted and i catch its drift….goodness gracious-this is too much for me. we will have to wait and see. we are all wondering…..i have an open mind here, fully trusting that by being sealed by the Holy Spirit of Truth with protection, through an ultimate eventual [sure as eggs is eggs] Spirit of Truth discernment,…[ even the very elect would be deceived IF IT WERE POSSIBLE] that i shall [through Christ Jesus] surely overcome the adversary. The blood of Jesus has washed us clean. Keep us Lord Jesus, strengthen the things that remain and bring us to Unity. Come Quickly and in the meantime give us wisdom and priorities in our understanding of things* along with love for one another…and as this new year unfolds that we would be blessed with even more love, more hope, more faith and more understanding and more Godly discernment ^^^^^^^* i like that and it made an impression on me when you brought it forth a week or so ago andrea. Yes Lord give us more of You, one day at a time, amen

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  19. so very Soon, amen. thanks all for being bereans. we will soon know in broad dayLight what we are currently seeing still somewhat in the shadows.

    He will perfect those things which concern me—in His Perfect Will and Time—His Mercy endures and He will not forsake the Works of His Own Hands..ps 138:8…..

    meanwhile tony you hit the nail on the head….
    more of You JESUS.
    may we all be found following Him closer–walking worthy of that High Calling…………keeping in step with the Master

    \o/

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  20. Hi Sheep,
    i see your point but i was talking about the star and crescent which has become associated with Islam in the 20th century, Or it could be the Bismallah, But either way your right “the dome of the rock is where it does all happen” 🙂

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  21. does anybody see what i see? catholic vaticanism goes forth w/ evil genius to create the religion of islam in the year 600 or so,…………and now plus or minus 1500 yrs later the seed burst into fruition in CHRISLAM – A BLOSSOMING LIE setting the stage for the ultimate powerbase of the islamic ac to come to power! do you see the strands that have been intricately woven together? Apostate christianity + false religion islam = a roman,islamic antichrist or harlot perhaps, who is riding some beast

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  22. ah, but things are not always what they seem,……have we forgotten about the aliens [demons] who will come as saviors to rescue mankind!,…or about the transhumanism creation of a God-man savior,…..what about the ascended masters and the externalization of the hierarchy? all of these possibilities and more,…holy smokescreens! Jesus will not allow us to be deceived even as all of these way out possibilities manifest one by one in a Babylonian world of confusion. He is preparing us even now. He who is in me is greater than he who is in the world. We shall not drift away from the clear cut simple gospel of TRUTH, which is the risen CHRIST JESUS, He who shed his blood for us, as He gave His Life for us, on the cross at Calvary. Thank you Father,…keep us, amen. we need YOU

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  23. Sorry shorttribber yea i was, just a typo, i was reading another article by justasheep7 and got confused lol 🙂 I was replying to you.

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  24. Yea Tony i didn’t know that about the vaticanism and Islam, that’s interesting. Good thing about all these posts is with both sides Western EU,Middle east, we are covering all bases and will be aware when it happens :),
    Love talking to you guys, always challenging each other and that’s what the Lord wants. We are doing what he said and is watching the signs.
    Cheers
    🙂

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  25. Hi guys,
    This is Baldy.
    A little off topic….but I’m just wondering if anyone has been getting offensive email/spam from a yahoo mail account? Well, I’ve done a little research on the name Mr Baldy – and apparently the name given to the person that previously owned it was a very sick man. (Just Google it) I will no longer use this name. Since Tony which is my real name is already taken…I will just simply go by the Username T0ny Tigre from this day forward. I hope that I haven’t caused any confusion, it just really made me sick to my stomach when I learned about that name.

    For anyone who is interested, I have also changed my yahoo email account address……I guess it’s good to do that from time to time; but it’s: T0nytigre@yahoo.com

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  26. Well does this mean then that it’s been given unto the accuser to make war with the saints? I fear so yes .
    Praise God we have the unction of the Holy Spirit whereby we can test the spirit. I love it!
    Vic ek sal jou email.

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  27. Tony Tigre, what big teeth you have there sire 🙂

    Don’t you just hate that inquisitive side of yourself ! I did the ” google” search and am angry for even allowing my eyes to see that! Go figure.

    My own humanness made me google my name and can understand now why I was asked” did you struggle with the apartheid and the hatred from the white S-African’s”? YIKES!

    Ahhh now it makes sense!

    I may just contact the other hisown1 and send her big hugs from all of us. Besides we have the same Father 🙂

    I love that!

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  28. It looks like Mr. B’s changed name to Tony Tigre is authentic – since the posts from the old name and the new name came from exactly the same IP address (possible to fake, but not very easy). I like the new name too – it made me laugh a little because it made me think of the fairly silly movie “Zoolander” from a few years ago- one of his many signature “looks” which were all really the same was call “le tigre”. Not recommending the movie – I saw it in pre-christian days and think I have probably forgotten its more worthless elements – but that part was funny.

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  29. Yes Vic Wickus, it’s me. I’m sorry to have changed names as many as two times already, but it seems as if I was having tremendous problems with Mr Baldy. I was getting all sorts of unsolicited emails that were just down right nasty.

    I just happened to Google the name “Mr Baldy” – and it wasn’t nice. As I have mentioned, I don’t want to be associated with the name anymore, as the person who had been given that name is nothing more than a very evil man. I had no idea that someone else had that name prior to me choosing it several years ago.

    I thank God that your site has allowed me to change my name, but unfortunately if I still want to communicate at FP – without going through a bunch of “red tape”; then I will have to continue to use that name there. I have one additional post that I have to comment on there, then I will no longer use the name period.

    Thank you for your understanding.

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  30. While I am still skeptical of the Islamic antichrist theory (though God certainly already knows how prophecy will be fulfilled, and didn’t have any need to convince me or check with me), I am very convinced that Turkey will play a very large role in end time events and in the not to distant future in the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38-39. So many focus on Russia in the fulfillment of that prophecy, and Putin’s aggression seems to confirm that position, but I think when it all happens the Russians will be a supporting cast part of the coalition to invade Israel and Turkey and its leader will be spearheading the move south.

    I wouldn’t normally link to WND – but this article gives some important and well documented updates on the facts on the ground in Turkey.
    http://www.wnd.com/2014/12/nato-ally-encouraged-to-liberate-jerusalem/

    I don’t expect Turkey will remain in NATO very long once they start really flexing their muscles as a leader of the Islamic world.

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  31. Rob,

    I personally want to thank you for your endorsement, and the proceeding comments that you have made.

    I secondly want to state that it has really….and I mean really continued to boggle my mind on how so many Christians have become so easily turned on by just the slightest wind, sound, word of mouth, and sometimes even letter on the newest; hippest; coolest; stylish; fly; brash….(you all get my point) – FAD that has been put forth in the Spiritual Warfare Game that we ALL have already been made so very aware of – and that by the way of Warning.

    Even the Apostle Paul asked the question to the Galatians: “Oh foolish Galatians who has bewitched you” (Galatians 3:1). He continues this thought with those who are in Ephesus in that he states: that we should be “tossed to and fro”? (Ephesians 4:14). For those who are not familiar with this very powerful and most Edifying phrase of “thinking” – Please read the aforementioned passages of Scripture for your own edification

    Please – Dear Body of Christ……I have been a police officer for over 25 years now. Not that the position alone should EVER qualify me as being a “Subject Matter Expert” on Bible Prophecy……but the evidence on this whole Islamic Antichrist paradigm just does not add up.

    And this is not to say that Turkey or even Islam itself will not play a prominent role in End Time Prophecy; but we must not get caught up into what I believe is nothing more than “sensationalism” and “sophistry”. These two End Time type deceptions are very prevalent among Believers who are searching for Truth – and are derived based on those who PREY on human EMOTIION. The Enemy knows that well. I would even venture to say that those who are putting out Books and Literature on this very topic – actually do not believe the very rhetorical nonsense that they are placing on the pages on the books that they are selling.

    In closing….please look at the evidence; road signs; – and weigh what you have learned and observed against Scripture. Scripture will ALWAYS reveal the deceptive lies of this modern day down right sensationalism and sophistry in those who just want to make a quick Dollar.

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  32. “I have been a police officer for over 25 years now. Not that the position alone should EVER qualify me as being a “Subject Matter Expert” on Bible Prophecy”

    Clearly Evident.

    “……but the evidence on this whole Islamic Antichrist paradigm just does not add up.”

    So then by being a “police officer for 25 years now”, it is your profound, well trained and uniquely qualified police and investigative ability to ascertain EVIDENCE, that qualifies you as a “Subject Matter Expert” on Bible Prophecy?

    Well then please provide for us a Sound and Reasonable Assessment of “That Evidence”, rather than just Simply Claim that “That Evidence” of an Islamic Antichrist “just does not add up”.

    Justasheep has provided Real and Reasonable Evidence……but you’ve provided us with Little more than Unfounded Accusations….such as the following…..

    “I would even venture to say that those who are putting out Books and Literature on this very topic – actually do not believe the very rhetorical nonsense that they are placing on the pages on the books that they are selling.”

    Quite a “venture” without again Providing Any Proof for such a Scathing Accusation!

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  33. the following quotation should read…Lafreak…

    “Lafreak has provided Real and Reasonable Evidence……but you’ve provided us with Little more than Unfounded Accusations….such as the following…..

    And i’ll add that Several Others here have provided Sound Evidence also.

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  34. ….sons of ishmael vs. sons of Issac…>>>>…esua vs. Jacob, wanting that birthright back! We are waring against powers n principalities, spiritual darkness with deep roots,that will not give up! //// Happy New Year to everyone although i prefer Gods calendar,…Prophetic calendar*

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  35. mahdi in the koran. Even the muslims i asked cannot find it. So 666 comes out of the name of allah? No wonder ..they are worshipping the wrong god. Satan. So…beheading is typical islam? Okay. I can buy that. Simple point the bible makes is …WHEN the antichrist comes ..only then beheading will start in the antichrist kingdom..and that is why there is still no beheading in the EU ….IF the EU is indeed the revived Roman Empire.

    Remember that the people of the prince…destroying jerusalem…were Romans. They did not come from Turkey. Well..of course could there have been some turkisch guys around ..

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  36. It is not to say an islamic antichrist is nonsense. I think we should watch both EU and Middle East..Islam… And who knows how big their role is in prophecy. But at the moment iam personally not convinced that there is going to be a islamic antichrist. …just wondering how the muslims got the idea of a mahdi…everyone i talk to say theres gonna be one..but he is nowhere to be found in their book…weird…

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  37. imagine this, that meteor rock that they bow n worship 3 times per day in mecca, gets moved to the temple mount [along with one of them minerets] where it ought not be! Thats not gonna happen but if it does you will know that i’ll be saying, “whats up wit that”?!!!, and if you hear me say them words, why then take n run fer the hills! ////*\\\\

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  38. I have always looked up to you Tony Tigre “Baldy” but this last post of yours is truely low and not something I would think a christian man would write. I actually came to this site because of you, “yes , I don’t know you in person, but after reading so much of what you wrote on F.P. I thought that you were truely a nice person.. and really thought you were a christian… but now.. you’ve really got me to wondering if thats so.. 😦
    Such a sad day for me… attacking someone like that, so personally … 😦

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  39. 1 Thessalonians 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.

    Mr Baldy I need to say this in agape love. You have defrauded me.

    I’m ashamed that this comment is even allowed to be posted in a forum where we may not all agree but it’s been a place where we show Christ’s love and respect for our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

    This comment is unacceptable—–
    “Yes, I know you let some little street punk put a gun to your head, and it scared you so bad that the stench from the defecation you left from your underpants can still be smelled from our streets to the so-called area you ran to.”

    Everybody that knows me personally knows that I never take sides { even between my children} so please don’t think that’s my intention. I pray that you will take your comments to e-mail , but most of all to prayer.

    I promise to pray for you.

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  40. I agree with Loop and Hisown. Personal attacks is not tolerated over here. I am deleting it. Keep posting Shorttribber. I find your posts interesting.

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  41. Philippians 4
    4 Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
    5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
    6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
    7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
    8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
    9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

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  42. Vic Wickus……others,

    You are all right. Not that there should be any excuse for my comments, but I personally felt that I was being attacked by Shorty – just read how he initially came at me with his sarcasm, insulting me as to what I do as a profession. So chastisement should go both ways.

    As for me, I will ask that you all please forgive my behavior. It’s was unacceptable.
    Colleen, I thank you for saying that you will pray for me. God Bless you all.

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  43. 1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

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  44. Not one of us has this all known and understood that’s for sure. That alone should make us careful with anothers’ offerings here whether speculative or backed up by Scripture (as we finitely understand it sometimes). i have to admit this kept me awake for a awhile last night and i prayed for the Lord to teach us here to be kind always. this goes for me as much as anyone. we are flesh and will disagree but if we must, being disagreeable that is another story and is unacceptable as you said mr b. we all get called out eventually but you preempted that mr b and the haste of your thoughts produced what now has you sorry, so thank you for acknowledging that. God will let truth come to bear on hearts that need reproof there and yes, sometimes we have to stand there also and declare that openly. of course you are forgiven.

    in love we can help each other when there is misunderstanding and at times outright error. submitting ourselves to the Lord for the mind of Christ and to each other that we may manifest love for the brethren, learning as we go. great verse to quote above hisown. God has Mercy for us in these things too. His Truth is the highest–it will rise.

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  45. Tony Tigre, my morning is much better, you are a gentleman, I agree shorty was a little flip with you.. you just took me by surprise by what you wrote… Blessings to you… and everyone on here..

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  46. Just remember friends:

    1 Corinthians 13:2
    And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

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  47. me n my dog are still trippin’ on this Roman 10th legion that did the damage in 70 a.d.!!! it can be seen in josephus historical accounts!,…? proof positive!……..? i think / i believe! You can google it and see for yourself

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  48. OMG, this [if true] changes everything, or so it seems, to confirm the turkey/islam scenario on endtimes players! If anyone is interested in going to listen to youtube videos put up by Jim Staley – a hebrew root ,messianic pastor in a 4 part series on end of the age prophecy, then please do so as he gets into this and he may just in fact be shedding light on actual truth. i started on part 2,… he explains the isaac/ishmael and the jacob/esau unfoldment well and with old maps he shows magog and tubal to actually be located in turkey etc.

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  49. Dear Tony…..

    From one Tony to another – and from another mother. (LOL) Please stay as far away from the Hebrew Roots movement as you can. It is a very, very false misleading doctrine that adds to Scripture such as the Pharisees and the Judiazers attempted to do in the day of Christ. It’s Heresy…please do your homework.

    Our Brother Paul even spoke very harshly about the Judiazers – as they attempted to say that the Grace of Christ was not enough for Salvation. They attempted to prove that Grace “PLUS” Human effort was needed for salvation. Those who follow this new movement called “Hebrew Roots” – are obligated to keep the Old Testament Laws; Sabbaths; not call Jesus – Jesus, but Yeshua, and follow the Torah. It’s very dangerous!

    There is a thread here on the “Hebrew Roots Movement” – and also on “Paul Washer”. Although Paul Washer in not of the Hebrew Roots Movement – he speaks of a Calvinistic; “only the elect”; “good works” type doctrine in order to be saved . This sort of thinking is very unfortunate, and is just as bad as this “NEW” Hebrew Roots Movement that is arising.

    Just please be careful my friend!

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  50. Thank you Loop for your comments.

    I had no idea you saw me as you have mentioned. It broke my heart when I read the words that you and Colleen spoke about me – especially you.

    I want to say for the record that Vic Wickus has been very patient with me. He has loved me as a brother for many years now, and he, as well as others have been very compassionate when my emotions have gotten the best of me from time to time. It has been the wisdom of Vic Wickus, and most of you to have had this very loving heart. Vic Wickus could have booted me off of his forum long ago. He has NEVER threatened to do so, but has given me guidance in the correct behavior each time. I truly believe that he understands the type of man that I am – as it is God who has blessed him with this wisdom, kindness, and patience that it takes to deal with a hard man such as myself. Vic Wickus, I thank you….and I love you as a brother in Christ.

    I may be hard, but I also believe that I reflect that I have a certain gentleness about myself as well. We are all sisters and brothers in Christ. None of us are perfect. Most of you know me by way of this forum better than some of the people who frequent my life on a daily basis.

    Like it or not the imperfections that I have shown over the years – which have always been followed by a request for forgiveness from God, and you all as well – should show that I am just an average Christian man who is saved by Grace. I believe that my transparency in repentance, when I have sinned is reflective as a member in the Body of Christ.

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  51. “an average Christian man who is saved by Grace. I believe that my transparency in repentance”

    that’s my brother 🙂

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  52. thanks T.T., i appreciate your thoughts n words of warning on judiazing and all that business about being legalistic AND i do fully understand the difference of being saved by grace*,…yea man! //// i was referring to that idea that the[” roman ” ?] prince of Dan chatp.9 with his army of arabs and syrians make plenty of room for the validity of a islamic ac to come forth rather than a european ac. In other words, the people of the prince that destroyed Jerusalem were not romans after all. Mathieu please comment back, isn’t this a clear made point? //// Titus was not a Prince…SaTaN is the Prince of darkness and the people of the prince were satans people – the future edomites are here now under the name of ISIS and they are fully related to the people of the prince [who are esau’s descendants who became grafted in with ismael’s offspring who are descendants of the prince of darkness] who in 70a.d. destroyed the temple and the holy city. //// Help me with all of this brothers n sisters

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  53. Hi Again Tony….

    Well unless I have my History wrong, it was Titus who lead the Roman Army that destroyed the Temple in 70 AD. They were Romans – and not Arabs or Syrians. So I don’t understand this “new” teaching about it not being Romans, or not having European decent.

    I believe that I will hit the books again to see what the Roman Army consisted of as far as Nationality. As far as I know, those guys were clearly European. Either way, we have to be soooooo very careful not to allow the enemy to come in and sway our minds from the Truth.

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  54. Hi tony…and tony….thanks for the postings of both of you. There are people who say they were romans ..then you mentioned the 10th legion..so i was like jieuiiiii there will be a european AC. Then i read that there were a bunch of other nationalities in that army..and i dont know if that is true..but i was like whattttt?????? I need to rely on people who have a better knowledge than i have ..and i had that clear picture in my head of a EU AC but now i am so very confused.. Has anyone have any real good info on t

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  55. Sorry trying to post via my phone..wich is not a good idea..but i was trying to ask if anyone can get to real good info about this army that destroyed jeruzalem? because it could give us a better understanding.

    On the other hand..when there would be some other nationalities in that army…still would make it..the 10th legion of the roman army

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  56. HI Mathieu,

    While it is very true that the Roman Army consisted of other Nationalities, what we need to be concerned with is what Scripture has alluded to.

    Daniel 9:26 states:

    “Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.”

    The aforementioned clearly states that the “people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.” Well, we know from History that Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed in 70 AD. This was completed by Titus and His Roman Army. To my understanding these were Romans & Greeks – or Europeans at that particular time.

    As the Roman Empire expanded it “granted citizenship” or “extended citizenship” to those who were not of European descent. This of course as you know if very different than being naturally born within the Roman Empire’s original origin. The “expansion” or “extension” occurred AFTER 70 AD. So this is something to keep in mind. This is also yet another reason why I have rejected the Islamic Antichrist Theory.

    Those who have coined the phrase: “Islamic Antichrist” want to make it an all and inclusive Roman Empire, perhaps in order to make their Theory work – and I personally don’t believe that the timeframe in which the City and Temple were destroyed will support this sort of thinking. I’m certainly not dogmatic about it, and I could definitely be wrong.

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  57. “Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.”

    1)The Messiah was cut of after 62 weeks.
    2) The prince to come from Daniels time is the Roman Caesar Titus.
    3) The people of the prince (Caesar) did destroy the city and sanctuary.
    4) The end of Israel/Jerusalem did come like a flood in 70 AD.
    5) Even to the end (currently) there is/will be war and desolation.

    Now we go to verse 27 were the mysterious “HE” features who will confirm THE covenant. Please note the KJV says THE covenant but lets leave it there for now.

    The only way to connect an identity to the AC is to say that the PRINCE and HE is from the same people (Roman or Turks), but I will be honest to say that I do not see the connection. You have to stretch Scripture proof a Roman or Muslim connection.

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  58. Vic Wickus,

    I’m not sure I’m understanding what you are saying. Are you saying that that this prophecy has already been fulfilled – not only that, are you suggesting that the “HE” may be Christ?

    Please clarify….

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  59. Verse 26 has been fulfilled as I explained with a possible future fulfillment.

    I know you dont appreciate ST’s theory that HE is Christ, but if you look back in the history of this site you will see that I have also discussed this possibility. Thats why I said THE covenant as it looks like Daniel was familiar with the covenant.

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  60. Ok…I believe I understand your position. But lets take a look at Daniel 9:27:

    “And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

    Ok, giving the fact that those who believe that Christ is the “HE” in verse 27 – which I can give the benefit of the doubt just for the natural understanding of the verse – it still speaks of the “one” – which is separate from the “HE” who has confirmed the Covenant – that will make desolate until the complete destruction. Now lets stop there for clarification……

    In following that theory, it appears as if it is both Christ and the coming of an “Antichrist” in that it was both Antiochus Epiphanes and Titus who actually destroyed the Temple, and made it desolate – and an abomination was completed.

    Now, if this is the case, wouldn’t one have to assume that “IF” 3.5 years of the 70th week have already been completed in Christ – then how does this all add up? Are we making a mistake in tying all of it in together?

    It would appear that based on the information that you have provided, that it ALL as already been fulfilled. I mean I really don’t think that we can have it both ways. It this is the case, wouldn’t this view qualify as a Preterist View?

    One last question: When Jesus refers to the Prophet Daniel as His message related to the A0D – could He have just meant that the same type desolation would occur – and not the fact that it related to the 70th week period?

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  61. To all, and especially to my Brother in Christ Mr.Tigre,

    You were correct in saying that I should not have used sarcasm as I did. It was wrong and uncharitable of me to do so. What I did, I did of my own, and not led of the Holy Spirit, and was not to the edification of the Body of Christ.
    Please forgive my thoughtless words and sin.
    I pray that I do no further harm to Christ and to those for whom Christ died, by promoting or instigating non-edifying communication among us.

    My apologies and unfeigned to all,
    ST.

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  62. that’s my brother shorttribber ! 🙂 i love all of you in Christ. we are in this together to uplift the Lord Jesus and edify each other.

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  63. You are both true gentlemen..

    Tony Tigre
    “”I may be hard, but I also believe that I reflect that I have a certain gentleness about myself as well. We are all sisters and brothers in Christ. None of us are perfect.””

    True
    I’ve always since first finding FP and reading the posts, saw the wisdom in what you write, and always when I would see your name , take the time to read what you said..
    I appreciate your wisdom even when I very rarely disagree with what you write, you always give me something to think about..

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  64. if God be for us then who can be against us! We are for each other deep down, where it counts, in Christ Jesus. and i agree w/ loop for sure, you are both, undoubtedly, true gentlemen…in the fullest sense of them words. Thank you both.

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  65. God is good! Love you guys.

    Now back to the discussion. No, I’m definitely not a preterist. If it is Christ who confirmed the covenant and He was cut of 3.5 years into the 7 year period, there is still a period of 42 months left known as the great tribulation or the time of Jacobs trouble. So there will still be an AC, the mark, ten kings, persecution and the rest for a period of 42 months.

    Yes Tony, the “one” who makes desolate refers to 70 AD and the AC that is still future. My question still is, can we link the nationality of that future one to the prince in verse 26? Can we say without a doubt that the one is from the same nationality as the prince? You see, if we have to be very strict and say that the one is the same nationality as the prince, then we have to look for a AC from Italy alone.

    Eish, I hope this is understandable. 🙂

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  66. Shorty you are a True man of God, and a gentleman!

    May we both work use the knowledge that God has blessed us with to war against the enemy (As Rob once mentioned), and not each other. My we all continue to serve our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    God bless you all!

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  67. Hi Vic Wickus,

    I get your point. I had to think hard on whether or not there is a future 70th week after you have mentioned what you have. I know that we’ve gone over it before – and I’m inclined to believe what you are saying. I remember going over this with Shorty. The only problem that I had with it at the time, is that Shorty had described that the sins that Christ bared on the Cross was the Abomination that caused desolation – in which I disagreed.

    In viewing the way that you have described this, I do have to agree. I agree because Scripture mentions a future 3.5 year reign in which the future Antichrist will reign – and not only that, Jesus Himself refers to this same type Abomination occurring in the End by looking at what was written by the Prophet Daniel. Yes….it does fit, and it makes since. I believe the error that has been made in modern day teachings is that many try to apply this entire time period as one event – and I have just really understood that as I read your words.

    Now, as far as what you have mentioned about the nationality of the coming Antichrist – I would say that “no” we cannot be dogmatic about his nationality, but what we can do is look at what the Prophet Daniel wrote in verse 26:

    “Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.”

    Again, I’m going to narrow it down to the TIMEFRAME in which this occurred – and the logistical make-up of the Roman Army at that time. We all agree, and know that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. Well, in 70 AD I don’t believe that the Roman Army had expanded enough to allow citizenship from the many nationalities. It did however as it grew at a later time – like perhaps as late as 100 AD. Those who want to incorporate this whole Islamic Antichrist theory have a tendency to leave that fact out – and not to mention, they mention him as being one and the same as the “Mahdi” and reference the Quran as their source – when the Quran mentions no such thing as a “Mahdi”. So if at the time that Jerusalem was attacked the Roman Army only consisted of those of European heritage, then the coming Antichrist will have to be European – and not necessarily narrowed down to the Italians either, but nonetheless European.

    In closing….it’s no wonder Jesus tells us to look for the AOD and not a 7 year covenant. Because whether or not the Roman Army consisted of only Europeans at the time Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed, or it contain people of other nations – fact remains that there only appears to only be a 3.5 year period left. Thanks for that reminder.

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  68. Still i cant work out how a guy from the EU will start a new religion and get people to willingly worship him in 3.5 years… Is that even possible?
    What religion will he use? If he doesnt use a religion he will be laughed at and people in our day and age will just dismiss it.
    It makes sense the AC using a current religion, Correct me if im wrong but doesnt that seem logical?
    What do you guys think? What religion will the AC use to force people to worship him?
    My opinion is Islam is the perfect religion for that to happen through 🙂
    cheers.

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  69. hi Peter, Cheers,…how about some kind of environmentalism religion – Earth worship / Gaia,…ie. creation of clean renewable energy to solve the energy crisis, etc,…a better way-resource management / earth in balance like type of thing like al gore is pushing which lets say overlaps w/ paganism and gets really wierd and occultish????? i’m just taking a stab at it as a ?remote possibility? Worshiping the creation more than and in place of the Creator! Of course we have all heard of this…and many suspect it.

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  70. haha good way of looking at it Tony 🙂 “a better way-resource management / earth in balance like type of thing like al gore is pushing which lets say overlaps w/ paganism and gets really wierd and occultish?????” That made me laugh literally. 🙂

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  71. Sorry about the triple post, my pc just had a freeze attack and browser reloaded .. restart and now I spammed lol..

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  72. ” I’m inclined to believe what you are saying. I remember going over this with Shorty. The only problem that I had with it at the time, is that Shorty had described that the sins that Christ bared on the Cross was the Abomination that caused desolation – in which I disagreed.”

    Hi Mr Tigre,
    Please allow me to explain again what I intended to be understood in that regard. It was the Rebellion and Rejection BY Israel of Christ Himself as Messiah that was AN Abomination that Caused THEIR Desolation. Christ Himself Decreeing so at the end of Mathew 23.
    And that Abominable Rebellion and Rejection was Finally Laid ON Christ Along with All of Our Sin and Rebellion.
    The Cross of Christ was the Highest, and Final Point, the Pinnacle of Israel’s REBELLION and REJECTION of God.
    Now….that Rejection Was AN………. AOD……..But it Was Not the Final AOD that we should be expecting that Christ prophesied regarding the Last Generation.
    Jesus Clearly Speaks of AN AOD that Would be fulfilled DURING the Days Also that the Apostles lived….Namely by the surrounding of Jerusalem by Armies…….and THAT of course was not only a Reference to 70 AD, but Also to the AOD Beyond that, THAT BEING the Last and Final AOD that we are Still Expecting.

    So, to recap, there has been more than One AOD, and there is One Standing on the Temple Mount as we speak. And the Final One, I Believe WILL OCCUR at the Place where That One is Currently Standing.

    And that One is the Dome of the Rock.

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  73. Also regarding the Mahdi and this is more directed at what Tony Tigre said about no mention in the Qur’an.

    From Wikipedia:
    In Islamic eschatology, the Mahdi (/ˈmɑːdi/; Arabic: مهدي‎, ISO 233: mahdī, English: Guided One) is the prophesied redeemer of Islam who will rule for seven, nine, or nineteen years (according to differing interpretations)[1] before the Day of Judgment (yawm al-qiyamah / literally, the Day of Resurrection)[2] and will rid the world of evil.[3]

    There is no explicit reference to the Mahdi in the Qu’ran, but references to him are found in Hadith.

    The Hadith is is their “prophetic traditions”
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith

    Just because he isn’t mentioned in the Qur’an doesn’t mean they don’t believe he will return, its quite the opposite as they do believe he will appear.

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  74. i definitely follow all of that ST [tribber] and it fully makes crystal clear sense. i see what you mean. //// Hi Peter, that was great, you got a kick out of my wild use of words,..it got me laughing too as i read your feedback. Laughter is good medicine and Lord knows, i need some kinda medicine to help me deal with the craziness of it all,however by no means do i think this is a laughing matter,its horrifying! absolutely gut wrenching and worse. God help us all. i hope you have the time to glance at the [easy read] links i put up, they are pertinent. I looked at the ENP link, spent time on it and now going to finish reading it. blessings*

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  75. reading the enp thing makes me think, oh boy, here we go again. When Curt brought up the bit about ‘ the Horizon event ‘ i was moved by that at that point in time, just a few months ago, admittedly.

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  76. Thank-you Vic for clarifying that for Tony Tigre. Plain and simple. I love it!

    I love that not one of us have been ” taught or persuaded ” by anyone to adhere to this but it’s been the Lord’s doing since we all had the ” let down ” and were forced to seek His face for the answer’s. I’ve just loved the journey 🙂

    Lafreak if I may,

    You asked ” What do you guys think? What religion will the AC use to force people to worship him?”

    Okay so last time I checked there were 2.4 billion professing Christianity{ which is one third of the world’s population } and only 1.57 billion Muslims.

    So , do we need a new religion ? I think not!

    We all know that Satan desires nothing more than to be worshipped , he already sits upon the mount of the congregation as the ecumenical RCC / Evangelical church has become one diabolical melting pot for the idolatry and false worship that’s clearly evident in almost every church now days. From corrupt bible’s to a watered down social gospel, to the tickling of the ears , people will be lining up when the false prophet causes fire to come down from heaven and will be begging for this ” FIRE ANOINTING ” . How much more will they want the one thing that drives most men ?

    Self deity !!!

    The “ye shall be like God” lying spirit is alive and well on planet earth today and the church has embraced pagan rituals that help you find the ” God within”. Gimme a break!!

    Something to think about that goes against our pre- conceived ideologies and man taught doctrines of how the end times will play out.

    Let no man deceive ye right !!

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  77. good points to bring up for sure Colleen. That overlaps into the teachings of the New Age Mvmt. as does that stuff i mentioned about environmentalism. The UN meditation room comes to mind as does all of Constance Cumbeys research on Theosophy and Ascended Masters,…btw another Big move of this same freaked out RCC that you have mentioned is their cutting edge telescope/observatory called “Lucifer” which is probably looking for theosophys ascended masters…….what more can we mention here; how about the exponential rate of population expansion of muslims!!! or how about this idea with documentation on the RCC’s creation of Islam????!!! /// ….i’m just saying

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  78. That’s Right, and all us old fashioned Neanderthal Christians and Jews just gonna need to be put out of Their Misery, Because there just won’t be room enough for our Old Religion and the Coming Loser’s Babylonian Conglomeration.

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  79. Vic, i liked how you said,” Eish, i hope this is understandable “,…i hear you on that alright. Quite funny,..this stuff can get conbobulating [ if thats even a word ]. On your point # 3, if you had a chance to view Josephus’ writings [the first link i put up] where its made clear that at most there was 1 roman soldier for every arab soldier….something here is jumping out at us. the people of the prince that did the destruction in 70ad were not romans! i can’t wait to hear your view of this after looking at these facts of history.

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  80. i just saw your comment Rick and i love it,…ain’t it the truth!,….and they will be under the delusion that they are doing a god service in killing God’s people. Worped in their minds by a very strong delusion – a completely deranged lie!

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  81. Lafreak, you have been a blessing to me………

    I’ve been away for a few days, but I just happened to revisit my thoughts as far whether or not I really and truly believed that only a 3.5 year period remained as it related to the 70th week , verses a full future 7 year time period. I have really struggled with it, as so many things that Scripture points to indicates a 3.5 year timeframe. This includes the reign of the coming Antichrist; the persecution of the Saints; and the time, times, and half time mentioned in the Book of Daniel and Revelation.

    There has been, and I guess it will continue to be confusion; and/or debate on who the “he” is who makes the confirmation of the “Covenant with Many”. So, I revisited Daniel 9:24-27 – and I had to question, why is it so important to understand why the Confirmation Process is even relevant? I mean why is it even being discussed as a point of interest? Well, it’s because it actually marks the “time” that is set forth when things will actually begin – and we must understand that. If Christ is the “He” then it makes no sense – as in reading the plain language of that particular passage; Christ making the “confirmation” would be inconsistent with what has been written . If the coming Antichrist is the “he” then it makes perfect sense to believe that a future time period is coming that will mark the beginning of the End – as this goes with the statement: “the prince who will come”. I want to thank you for supplying this link:

    http://euprophecynews.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/2015-new-revised-enp.html

    It appears as if Eschologizer – owner of the site; has really continued to be a True Berean for Christ, in that he has done his homework. In viewing his link, I had to once again be reminded that we have very solid “Evidence” that we need to continue to keep in mind. Most of us tend to forget – and that certainly includes myself, and lose focus on the FACTS.

    Perhaps when we don’t have the patience to wait, we have a tendency to look at what’s “hot” on the Bible Prophecy Chart. Unfortunately, we get “caught up” in the moment – if you will; or Ideology of what appears to be “fitting” or “makes sense” in our own understanding. Some again, and this includes myself actually lose focus.

    For now, I’m going back to the basics. Not “reading into” Scripture, and truly asking God for Wisdom and Understanding – which I have certainly lacked. After reading Eschologizer’s site, it is very apparent that the ENP Policy hasn’t gone anywhere. Not to mention, it has fit Bible Prophecy more than any 7 year treaty ever has – yet again it has not gone away. I have certainly not abandoned it – but I am certainly guilty of losing focus from it. We have to remember that the coming Antichrist has to “remain hidden” until the proper time in which he may be revealed. I truly believe that it is he who is associated with a future 7 year confirmation process of some sort of Covenant/Treaty with Many – and not our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Again………I’m going to my knees in prayer, and continue to ask God for Wisdom and Understanding…then I will hit the Books.

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  82. mr B or actually Mr T,( as i break away from force of habit and click in to the tony tigre name), i think i’ve got it with respect to the 7 yr. thing verses the shorter 3.5 year thing. THEY ARE BOTH TRUE at the same time even tho they ‘appear’ to contradict each other and seem to be in direct opposition to one another as theories. i’m sure you’ll agree with hardly any thought at all as the spirit delivers* blessings to you brother in Christ Jesus for eternity

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  83. yes the 3.5 year[s] beginning of daniels 70th week plays out twice and it shows us that the he / HE discrepancy now makes total sense and there is no need to cabbage on to one position or the other,…..for all who have eyes to see, the spirit of truth is revealing something here in a non comprising, unifying way! //// think outside the box

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