Dangers of the Hebrew Roots movement

Friends, the following is a mail I got today warning about the Hebrew Roots movement. The original author is unknown but the message is true. If you are involved in this cult you are deceived. ————————————————————————————————- Shalom friends. This page is to warn against individuals and ministries who are teaching error. The main objective of these ministries is to make Gentile believers think that they are Israel in one form or another. Recently in the congregation I’ve had to make the difficult decision of asking a few Gentile believers to leave. These undiscerning folks were distorting scripture by claiming that they were Israelites. Sadly God’s word is twisted to such an extent that they no longer called themselves Gentiles. Shaul (Paul) in Romans 11 warns Gentiles against becoming proud and boastful against Israel “the natural branches” We need to pray for those who are fooled by this unhealthy dissatisfaction with their true identity and must look for some secret teaching, and end up following the wolves. Here are a few tips of how to recognize those who follow the Israelite Identity Cult. 1. They might be wearing tzitziot (tassels) men as well as women! This command was given to Israel in Numbers 15, and NOT to the foriegner/Gentile. 2. Their men might start to grow beards to identify themselves as part of this cult. NOTE: There’s nothing wrong with a Gentile/non Israelite growing a beard as long as they don’t believe themselves to be an Israelite! 3. They’ll tell you that the modern day Jewish people are NOT part of Israel. In Acts 2 Kefa (Peter) spoke to the crowds and addressed them as “Men of Israel, whole house of Israel, Jews, and brothers” Kefa used these terms to refer to the same group of people. 4. In most cases you’ll not see a real heart-felt love for the Jewish people, and the land of Israel. 5. They’ll seek to divide your congregation with the aim of spreading their distorted doctrines. 6. They might start to use weird names for God due to their fascination with the “Sacred Names Movement” This doesn’t include biblical names such as Elohim, El-Shaddai, El-Gibor etc. 7. Most of these Israelite identity groups stem from the USA, most are website based groups. 8. The Israelite Identity Cult claim to be Torah Observant, but sadly they lack any spiritual knowledge or discernment regarding the Torah. But among the people there were also false prophets, just as there WILL be false teachers among you. Under false pretenses they WILL introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and thus bring on themselves swift destruction. Many WILL follow their debaucheries; and because of them, the true Way WILL be maligned. In their greed they WILL exploit you with fabricated stories. Their punishment, decreed long ago, is not idle; their destruction is not asleep! 2nd Kefa (Pt) 2:1-3 But avoid stupid controversies, genealogies, quarrels and fights about the Torah; because they are worthless and futile. Warn a divisive persononce, then a second time; and after that, have nothing more to do with him. You may be sure that such a person has been perverted and is sinning: he stands self-condemned.  Titus 3:9-11 I would encourage you to check out each of these ministries, you’ll find out that they condemn themselves with their false teachings. Please pray for those listed below that they might be able to rightly discern the word of truth, and be open to correction. One thing is for sure, the Word of God stands firm and steadfast when confronted with error. We also need to maintain our obedience to Torah commands in a manner that is clearly Biblical-but-distinct from Jewish expression so that we identify with Israel but not as Israel. Three good articles by Derek Leaman: Problems with fringe Messianic groups All in the name of Messianic Judaism Two House theology versus Chronicles Derek Leman: “As a non-Jew, if you feel a spiritual connection to Torah and the people of Israel (the Jewish people), this is a good thing. You don’t have to declare yourself an Israelite to draw near. You can come alongside the Jewish community, either from within the Christian Church or as members of Messianic and Judeo-Christian communities, and as a non-Jew you can respectfully join in Torah without taking on a pseudo-Jewish identity. And you are not to judge non-Jews who don’t make the same choice. Advocate for a love of Israel in Christianity, yes, but don’t try to make Christians into Israelites.” The Wolves List: PLEASE NOTE: Those listed below give a bad name to genuine biblical based Messianic/Hebrew Roots ministries.

1) “Jim Staley-Passion for Truth Ministries” (Teaches the old Ephraimite heresy, and believes he’s Israel) SEE HOW WORLDLY STALEY REALLY IS BRAGGING ABOUT HOW FAMOUS HE IS. Please read HERE.

2) “James Scott Trimm

3) “Brad Scott” (Ephraimite, believes he’s Israel)

4) “Bill Cloud” Shoreshim Ministries (Two House Teacher) PLEASE NOTE: Dont confuse Bill Cloud’s Shorishim ministry with the biblical based Shoreshim Ministries in the UK @ shorashim.co.uk

5) “Lew White

6) “Donna Taggart” (Northern Irish false teacher who appears from time to time under a new name, British Israelism) VERY DANGEROUS

7) “Scot Dryer” (Believes he’s an Israelite)

8) “Andrew Gabriel Roth” (author of the so called Aramaic New Testament)

9) “Jonathan Cahn” False prophet and teacher… please read this good article from Moriel Ministries

10) “Rico Cortes” (Two House teacher who pretends to be a Sephardic Jew) Cortes also practices martial arts which is occultic.

11) “Izzy Avraham” alias (Curtis Johnson) (Tassel wearing Gentile who pretends to be Jewish/Israelite/Ephraimite) Johnson also practices the occultic art of Jujitsu…(Edited 13 April 2014. False information, Please read correction HERE.

12) “119 Ministries” (Cleverly deceptive group which hosts various wolves on it’s website)

14) “Michael Rood” Gentile cult leader and false prophet who pretends to be Jewish…. Link exposing Rood

15) “Torah Teachers.com” (Hosts various wolves on it’s website)

16) “Hebrew Nation Radio”

17) “Jeff Gilbert – Talking Torah”

18) “International Fellowship of Christians and Jews” (Please go to this link)

19) “Joyfully Growing in Torah”

20) “Way to Zion Ministries”

21) “We are Israel” (Their name speaks for itself!)

22) “Wildbranch Ministries”

23) “Yahweh’s Restoration Ministry”

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51 thoughts on “Dangers of the Hebrew Roots movement

  1. Thank-you Lord Jesus for the anointing that ABIDES in us which is TRUTH and no lie! Wow what a beautiful promise and a relief to know that He has promised and is so faithful.

    Praise God Vic!! the Word of the Lord has once again NOT returned void and for that I give Him all the praise, honour and glory! Whoho! Thank-you for posting the list. I haven’t got time to read through them all but took a quick peek just for now 🙂

    Jonathan Cahn and 119 Ministries have been promoted , protected and defended on numerous occasions and any one of us that dared tried to voice our concern’s were either rebuked or silenced.I praise God for Mr Sheep and Mr Baldy’s fine gift of discernment as well and pray that the Lord will continue to keep us focussed on the warnings of His Word and thank Him for a gift that’s been given to the body for our own spiritual protection. Sadly it’s not well received in these days of great apostasy and the strong delusion many are already under but praise the Lord, God knows who are His . I love that !

    But the anointing which you have received of him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in him.

    2 Peter 2

    2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

    2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

    3 And through…….>>>>> covetousness ……..<<<<<<<>>feigned words……..<<<<<< make …….<<<<<merchandise of you:………<<<<>>>> liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption:………..<<<<<>>>>they are again entangled therein,………<<<< and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

    21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

    22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

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  2. I agree there are lots of scary groups out there that call themselves messianic or hebrew roots. There are a lot of scary “Christian groups” as well. The problem I have is the author provides zero evidence of his position.

    What is wrong with believing one is an Israelite or a Jew? Didn’t Paul state in Romans 2:28-29 – For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

    Are not gentile believers grafted into their tree? Romans 11.

    Do I call myself a Christian? No, b/c generally Christians do not follow G-d’s Word. They might try to be obedient to some things but not all. When you become a believer you are entering into a marriage covenant. There are certain things required of you in this covenant. Following G-d’s Word. All of it. Yeshua never ever taught against the Torah. Peter, James, and even Paul never taught against the Torah. Quite the opposite, they always taught for the Torah. What they taught may be misunderstood, specially Paul, but they never taught against the Torah.

    Yeshua said several times if you love me you will obey my commandments (paraphrased). Does this mean we gain salvation by performing them? NO! It always was and always will be faith first….circumcision of the heart. This was taught all throughout the Tanakh. Then comes obedience – commandments.

    Yes, I wear tzitzit, I cannot grow a beard :(, I am not a sacred namer, although I use the word Hashem for the Lord so as to not use His name in vein, the modern day people in Israel can be part just depends, there is a definite love for Israel and its people, I don’t go to other congregations, we have our own, and we are definitely Torah observant to the point we can be without a Temple. I only heard of two of the groups posted above.

    Shalom Aleichem!

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  3. The litmus test for knowing if you have the spirit of truth or the spirit of error is round about the 25;00 point. Period!

    No apologies there as the spirit of AC has so many already under his beguiling and bewitching spell already !

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  4. And you start this post out with Shalom………………… jus sayin…….
    If your not Hebrew/Jewish why not just say Hello….

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  5. Good observation Loop 🙂

    I didn’t read the original post { skimmed through the links }

    Vic, who wrote these words ?

    “We also need to maintain our obedience to Torah commands in a manner that is clearly Biblical-but-distinct from Jewish expression so that we identify with Israel but not as Israel.”

    Just trying to understand.

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  6. Thank you for warning the flock

    -just one of the sheep.

    Seriously though, there is so much masquerading as christianity these days that is not, followers of Christ who are well grounded in their scripture need not to be ashamed of pointing out the errors of these false teachers.

    I also saw this in the news today – apparently Israel’s desire to worship God on the temple mount is really upsetting many there-

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4585927,00.html
    Pray for Yehuda Glick – not only that he recover from this assassination attempt but that he lives to mourn with the rest of Israel on the day that God appoints to open their eyes to the one whom they pierced, he gave himself for them, and for all of us.

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  7. I’ve also wondered about traveling to Israel someday (a dream our family has – not sure if we will get there before the Lord returns, but either way is fine with me). I wondered for a while if I would wear a kippah at the wailing wall or to visit the temple mount. Just as my wife was personally convicted about some things in 1 Corinthians 11 – I was personally convicted by it that I am not permitted to cover my head, so the kippah would be forbidden in worship for a man who has been bought by the blood of Christ.

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  8. Rob I don’t know if anything has changed since my last visit but you are required to wear that once you enter into gate at the Wailing Wall.They supply a paper disposable kippah for the men.

    Tony you can say that again! Seriously !

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  9. Loop/Hisown, as the the opening paragraph in the post says: “The original author is unknown…”

    It may be written by a Jew and if it is he is entitled to say “Shalom”. 🙂

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  10. I’m beginning to wonder, if “we/everyone” are way too interested in trying to find all the false teacher’s out there rather then just letting the “Holy Spirit” do his job of showing us the truth…

    Remember : MT 13:29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye ROOT UP also the wheat with them.

    How many people have been “put off of web sites” who are really trying to find the truth, how many people have been reading the conversation’s back and forth and are actually learning the truth through the Holy Spirit and have been rooted up because someone says, “NO This is absolutely a lie” and the conversation has been deleted, making it harder for the Holy Spirit to do his job..

    Yes I do believe we can make it harder for the “Holy Spirit” to do his job, Matthew pretty much says as much..

    And I know that I am one, who a lot of times “when someone says, you can’t , you don’t , you will not, ect.. I automatically tune that one out.. I’m not saying that is right, its just the way I am… and I’m figuring there’s a lot of people out there like me, someone says stay away from, I’m more likely to go check it out, why not let them stay, let the ones who are well versed explain why they are wrong, those conversations are usually the ones , most people learn from..

    Let the HOLY SPIRIT do HIS job… instead of us doing it for him… delete me if you disagree, but I just wanted to put what was on my mind…

    I don’t like someone making up my mind for me…

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  11. Just one more thing, if you’ve ever done any genealogies , almost everyone goes back to someone from Israel and or a Jewish person, remember they were dispersed out into the world take for example there’s you, you have two parents they each have two parents which makes four double that again, eight, double that again sixteen how quickly does that turn into many hundreds of people just in one persons background.. no doesn’t make me Jewish or Israeli, Thank God I am of Israel through Christ though…..

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  12. Loop, wow! This is one of the most powerul comments I have read in a while. What a bessing I has been to me. I am with you 100%. It is one thing to warn, but it is another thing to turn it into a legalistic witch hunt.

    But by saying this, the danger of the Hebrew Root movement \ replacement theology must be warned against. The nation of Israel and Gods people is under attack as never before.

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  13. thank you and bless you loop. i sure agree. i have used that same passage of Scripture (matt 13:29) several times here to point that out too—aaamen! have been thinking and praying for a few days and have concluded that people cannot and should not be attempting to be doing the work of the Holy Spirit. we are lousy at it! i know——i’ve done it!!! warn—-yes! correct? uuhhh………..we need to be sure–double sure–our unction functions in the Power of the Lord’s Holy Spirit 😉 . the Gospel itself—not eschatology—should be the real litmus test for understanding if one is in error and in danger of deceiving or not. God will fix what’s off in the eschatology of us all pretty soon! i know there are brothers and sisters out there who do not have quite the same teaching as i have but they do know the Gospel (by faith and not of works to be saved lest any man should boast but work out their salvation in ways that look a little bit different than me–so what?) they love Jesus so they do not have to be cookie cutter to me. vic thank you for keeping it real around here…and thanks for your comment about what really is dangerous in the movements out there (yes they are plentiful). you are a faithful brother and God bless you for that.

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  14. The beautiful thing about the Holy Spirit is that the teaching either bears witness with our spirit or it does not .He’s meant to comfort and guide to all truth.
    He’s our best friend and love it when we ‘re walking in error He is quick to let us know.
    Best friends to that 🙂

    Don’t know if this pic has been altered but it’s worth a thousand words.

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  15. Okay no stoning Coll allowed. I’m a wanna be artist and sometimes my eye catches something especially is it’s blue { most of my art work is done in blue }

    If this photo has been manipulated to add the diabolical figure { looks like jodi } on the top centre right of the photo then that’s not very nice !!

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  16. Beautiful pic Colleen, sooo very awesome,…as the light is being taken out of the scene, the darkness…… w/ meanness, anger, fear and pain begins to envelope the sky and cast itself onto the earth. Every picture tells a story. You have a good eye for artistic creativity, symbolism and more, //// i too, love blue. Thanks for sharing this incredible picture,…as i look back at it a 2nd time i say to myself, “maybe my above description of the scene is a bit extreme”, however, in the pic, Evils intent surely shows itself!,..as it is showing itself in these very days of our lives like never before to those who can see

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  17. Vic, i so agree w/ andrea* on your skill and faithfulness in the Lord and i thank you for your work running this website with such wisdom and unselfishness. //// Hi Loop, you sound well and your above comment hits it straight on, no doubt. /// Its a real balancing act, handling Truth and were all doing our best,,,and the Lord is at work with us all and of course, He has OUR best intrest at heart, amen,…..with all of our hearts beating as ONE…unified!

    l

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  18. Ladies and Gentlemen,

    There is a real danger out there regarding False Prophets. There are those who are among us who become angry at we who want to put forth the Truth – and put forth a message that cautions those who fall prey to heresy. Trust me, as a true believer in Christ – there is an absolute Truth that is Real, not fake; nor is it a False Doctrine – it’s called Scripture. Jesus warned us to be careful that “no one deceives you”.

    Please view this and listen to this link:

    http://www.alankurschner.com/2014/09/17/hebrew-roots-cult-and-mark-biltzs-blood-moons-and-shemitah-theory-ep-6/

    May God Bless you ALL!

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  19. i for one will take a look mr. baldy at the linked info!, thanks, for sure! //// p.s.,…. i’m excited about the 2 witnesses! imagine!!! i trust the Holy Spirit to reveal to us who they are truthfully as well as who they truthfully are**

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  20. i looked at the write up mr. B,…but will now go back and listen to the podcast, however, just off the top i must admit that to me, they are being too hard on mark biltz. i never heard him say Jesus / Yahshua, was coming back in 2015???,…and furthermore, i perceive him to be rather noncoersive concerning the whole matter. It seems to me as though hes just another guy / student of prophecy, much like the rest of us. i don’t feel threatened by him nor do i feel overly persuaded by him either. Perhaps i’m not being discerning enough??? Oh boy! /// i have spoke to him over the phone many times over the years and he strikes me like anyone else for the most part. He’s friendly and meek and genuinely sincere and in my memory he said that grace is above works…..that faith opens us up to grace [ faith in Yahshuas blood sacrafice ] and then that faith w/out works is dead, so we, out of gratitude follow thru w/ works of obedience, not to earn salvation but because we love and honor God. ….just sayin’

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  21. i never gathered prophet talk or predictions from mark biltz stuff either tony. i am not very up on him-but what i am aware of was Christ-honoring and not law driven. that was a couple of years ago that i checked his ministry out. honestly i stay in a pretty tight little circle of influences as far as ministries go. that goes for discernment ministries too——-oh my oh my many are just getting so caustic in their renderings so i avoid many of them now. (i’ll stick with the Bible). jan markell is right about that and she sees that up close and personal. 😦
    there is good, not as good, there is bad and there is worse and then—there is all out terrible–calling itself ministry out there today. it is all over the map–has been given much air play here for that topic–i get that! and i agree for goodness sake because it is the end times wheat and tares together just like Jesus said. and HE said go carefully so we don’t go pulling up the wheat with those tares——that is a warning that should be noted as much as deception is warned against!!!!! i’ve made the mistake of trying to be someone else “holy spirit” and that never goes well….so i want to keep making the effort to go carefully and need more discernment-prayerfully asking for it as i am supposed to (james 1:5) the Lord Himself will keep me from falling prey to deception–not others–so i’ll take it (wisdom rebuke encouragement whatever i need) from the >>>Holy Spirit<<< thank you very much. (and i do have the Holy Spirit too ya know-Who does the checkup on the inside for me about leaven and idols-not needing that so curtly directed at me from outside). and now i've said enough. there was statement made so i'll finish with an answer..

    angered? no.
    somewhat grieved…… (but still thankful–i know Jesus is Sovereign over this too…..and He loves each and every one of us very much)

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  22. …and as my sister in the Lord Jesus andrea, i certainly value [love] you. i give thanks to our father again and again. you have been a big help to me and a blessing from God to us all. keeping you and you family in my prayers,…be blessed,…..you are so very nice of a person.

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  23. There are those who are among us who become angry at we who want to put forth the Truth

    Angry ?

    No I’m not angry, just cautious I don’t want to be the one who pulls up any wheat with the tares and was only giving a warning, I don’t know anyone here well enough to be angry about what is posted.
    But this verse can also be added to the one above as it doesn’t only mean little one as in children but can also mean young in Gods word..

    MT 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these LITTLE ONES which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

    I take Gods word very seriously.. As I’m sure you do too…

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  24. Loop I really don’t think that the wheat can be offended.

    Let’s take a look at the seed who is offended.

    Matthew 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

    Loop please hear my heart. For the past 21 years I’ve never endured so much pain, betrayal and wickedness done to me and that in the house of God. These trials, pain and tribulations have made me even stronger and steadfast in my faith.What you see now is a heart that trusts in Christ alone for the TRYING of my faith has been PRECIOUS and PRICLESS and God has even USED false sheep to TEST me. How awesome is that!

    The verse you’ve used I agree 100% with and have personally witnessed how God RECOMPENSES tribulation to those that trouble His own. I’ve stood back and watched my heavenly Father take care of me and my two little orphans after their father got killed and have seen His anger against those that have done great evil { using the name of the Lord} yet through it all He has KEPT my faith in Him.

    Wow !! I had to hear that for myself a reminder of His faithfulness . I give Him al the glory for He alone is worthy!!

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  25. Loved this verse in Psalms again this evening 🙂

    Make thy face to shine upon thy servant: save me for thy mercies’ sake.

    When Christ reigns in our hearts it shows on our countenance and no amount of hardship is able to quench the fire that burns with so much conviction . I love that 🙂

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  26. I’m a little confused Hisown
    are you saying that the little ones that believe in him, are not his… ?
    (LITTLE ONES which believe in me)
    If you can pluck up the wheat with the tares, the wheat are his too so it is possible to pluck them out or he would not have said it would be possible..
    ?

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  27. Oh no please don’t be confused Loop. I was relating the verse you mentioned to experiences in my own life and how the Lord has dealt with those that have offended me and my two children.

    Woe unto them right?

    For it MUST NEEDS be that OFFENCES COME!

    Matthew 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

    This verse gives me hope that we don’t recompense evil back to those that do us evil but entrust out souls to the One who will.

    Proverbs 28:10 Whoso causeth the righteous to go astray in an evil way, he shall fall himself into his own pit: but the upright shall have good things in possession.

    God pleads the cause of His people and places His cup of fury on those that afflict His sheep Loop, that was the point I was trying to make. I’ve witnessed that many times as stated and have also seen how the Lord has USED false prophets and wolves in sheep clothing to PROOVE me to know if I love the Lord my God with all my heart, mind, soul and body. I was never offended because it’s biblical 🙂

    Did you need me to quote the verse ?

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  28. you called it again loop.
    a bruised reed shall not He break, and the smoking flax shall not he quench: HE shall bring forth judgement unto truth. is 42:3. it can be noted that Jesus does not quench. He works things out to bring His Own people by His Spirit Who alone has the mind of God. apparently there is a certain line to tow according to some so the quenching going on here in some responses are proof it is not Truth and Grace balanced together. those that believe Jesus is God come in the flesh are His true believers whose trust is alone in His Atoning Sacrifice and His Power to keep them saved too-no plucking there. it is the tares with that worry. and The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His Glory, the Glory as of the only begotten of The Father) full of Grace and Truth. john 1:14. we are all just people (people are people but God is GOD) with unbalances in differing areas because we are not complete yet–no not one of us is complete yet….until we go Home….but God gets this right and keeps at it faithfully without our “interventions”. Jesus put that ear back on that peter lopped off of a poor guy in his zeal and told him to put the sword away in that instance because it was not the right time and use for it right then. there is a time and place and way that the Lord knows better than we-how to say and do-to accomplish both getting the Truth said and Grace shown to His honor. perhaps folks should let Him do that 🙂 . it is a good statement that goes: Truth without Grace is brutal. Grace without Truth is hypocrisy. really it should be Jesus shining here. john the baptist said: He must increase but we must decrease. may that be found true of us all.

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  29. I wanted to add one last thought about being offended and why I wanted to give a visual of how it’s used by the Lord for good{ I will remove that after making my point } The more the offences come, the more the light of Christ shines in us. The more we purge ourselves of dead works and humble ourselves before the Lord , the more He prepares us as a vessel unto honour. Oftentimes He uses the vessels of wrath and false teachings to do that , why? I can’t answer that but do accept the fact that we are His clay and He is the potter 🙂

    Romans 9

    22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

    WHY and for WHAT purpose ?

    23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

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  30. Andre yes by grace we are saved as a gift of God lest any man boast 🙂 Amen and amen WHOHO!!

    Truth and grace is very well balanced in my life, I just don’t have the liberty in Christ to use it maliciously or as a cloak to continue in sin. God forbid that I do 🙂

    Christ SHINES in us Andre 🙂 i

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  31. “Loop I really don’t think that the wheat can be offended.”

    This is what confused me, you said you didn’t think wheat could be offended..
    Yet you say “For the past 21 years I’ve never endured so much pain, betrayal and wickedness done to me and that in the house of God.”

    Are you not wheat? I believe you are . And people obviously offended you and your children..

    That was what confused me..

    LOL… I’m not saying it can’t be used for good and for teaching/training of an individual..

    And I do agree with you, with the exception of wheat not being able to offended lol…

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  32. Did I say that I was offended by the evil that was done to me Loop? I praise God for the opportunity it has given me to bless and curse not. I praise God that He used these { wolves and false brethren } to shape my character the way it has, steadfast and unmovable in any trill that comes my way. Whoohoo!!!

    Sorry that I didn’t clarify that 🙂 I’m awful at making my point and thank-you for hearing me out.

    Blessings 🙂

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  33. Loop I would have to learn how to communicate more ” American” I suppose. Sorry bout that 🙂

    1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

    My point in part of this discussion was to prove that no matter how much evil the enemy tries to use against us, to test, distract, destroy ,entice or divert us with falsehood{using his “ministers of righteousness “} to seduce us into false worship, our God has promised that He works all things after the council of His will and ALWAYS turns it around to bring Him Glory. I love that!

    1 Peter 2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

    I enjoyed my evening sermon and pray that it blesses the hearer. I’m not posting this for any reason other than to share a good sermon. Whew { wiping my brow }

    Okay I’m back to my slingshot mode now 🙂

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  34. Hisown you wrote earlier: For the past 21 years I’ve never endured so much pain, betrayal and wickedness done to me

    Then you wrote : have personally witnessed how God RECOMPENSES tribulation to those that trouble His own. I’ve stood back and watched my heavenly Father take care of me and my two little orphans after their father got killed and have seen His anger against those that have done great evil

    Then : Did I say that I was offended by the evil that was done to me

    This is what confused me, There were people who “offended” you , you said they did a lot of wickedness to you, then that you had personally witnessed God recompensing them for hurting you..

    Then wrote, did I say I was offended…

    This is what is confusing to me, you felt pain/betrayal which meant you were offended ..

    To be offended doesn’t have to mean you lose your salvation, you can be offended and still love Christ and not turn away…

    I know how hard it is to explain your feelings.. But this is what had me confused LOL, Hope I explained or showed you what I was confused about lol..
    Love you sis..

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  35. Hisown wrote:
    My point in part of this discussion was to prove that no matter how much evil the enemy tries to use against us, to test, distract, destroy ,entice or divert us with falsehood{using his “ministers of righteousness “} to seduce us into false worship, our God has promised that He works all things after the council of His will and ALWAYS turns it around to bring Him Glory. I love that!

    That was my point about us not being so quick to delete someone or the conversation , but to let those who know what is going on, point out what is wrong about it and let the Holy Spirit do his job as he has done with you and I so many times in our past..

    Hope I explained this right ..

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  36. Tony: Hi Loop, you sound well

    Just realised I hadn’t answered you back lol, I’m trying to get back to where I was before the broken hip, but I’m still having a tremendous amount of pain from it and am having to walk on a cane full time which is very agrivating to me, I was having a lot of pain out of my hip before breaking it but now it is also my knee and hip..
    The specialist wants me in three months to make another appointment with the dr who put the rods in my hip and leg, if I’m doing no better to get them removed to see how I do without them, if there is no improvement then I go back to him after I’m healed to talk about hip replacement, he says the rods have to be removed and it be completely healed before he can even talk about hip replacement.
    So that means another surgery to have the rods removed and then possibly another for the hip replacement. So I’ve not been to happy lol..
    On another not my horse Vashti has decided she doesn’t like the deer around here any more and has decided to keep them chased out of her pasture which has apparently made her brave so she decided to try that with a skunk LOL, I’m sure you can figure out who won that round LOL.. And I can’t stand long enough to bath her and hubby refuses to get close enough to even try LOL…

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  37. Love you in Christ as well Loop .I’m praying for your speedy recovery. Ouch!

    I don’t have the time{ or the inclination } to sit here and dissect every word spoken { verbal or it’s hidden intention } and pray that you will get what I was originally trying to convey in my little example that God NEVER forsakes and ALWAYS vindicates His own. That’s what I’ve witnessed over these years but never glory in the fact that God recompenses tribulation to those that trouble us.In fact my heart hurts for them and pray that there will be repentance before it’s too late.That’s my prayer.

    The key lesson is :

    Romans 12:19
    19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

    You said –
    “This is what is confusing to me, you felt pain/betrayal which meant you were offended ..”

    Loop, I’m human , I hurt, just like any other person that has ever lived on the face of this earth that’s endured the pain of false brethren.. that’s NOT the point here but what the end result of such.

    Matt 24

    The CAUSE : BEING PERSECUTED for Christ .

    Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

    The result : MANY will BETRAY and HATE one another as the love of many grow cold.{ and how one respond’s }

    10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

    Love and peace to you 🙂

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  38. hi loop, you sound wonderfully well!,…in spite of it all, wow! May God Bless you and see you thru it all, bringing you forth w/ a renewed sense of strength. /// i’ll remember to pray. Good to hear your update – thanks. your farm animal stories are very amusing too,…..you reckon them deer put that skunk there? //// hi colleen, i’m so glad for the powerful work of His love in your sweet life. amen

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  39. reg kelly sure can preach to move your spirit in truth,…good one coll, it stopped me in my tracks and got me on my knees!

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  40. Thank-you for allowing the Lord to do His work in you Tony. You have no idea how it encourages my faith as I’ve witnessed the Lord work in you life. Thank-you for always being transparent and showing us all what true agape love is all about.

    There are quite a few other sermons that’s he’s preached that have cut to the very core. He is but a google search away 🙂

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  41. yes, i listened to more than one of his and plan to continue,…….and thanks for putting up that adorable, oh so lovely, dazzling cute picture,….that waz more exciting than Haleys comet!, and it seemed to have passed by just as quick! //// …and believe it,…you Colleen, encourage me! You are rare and unique* in my life. This is heart-warmingly nice*** and hits the spot. i give thanks to the Lord Jesus……..

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