Will the Antichrist rule the WHOLE world?

I had an email discussion with a friend the other day about the possibility that the Antichrist will not rule about over the whole world, all nations and people. The first reaction was the following:

Please show me in the Word that the AC WON’T rule the whole world ?

Rev 13 It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.

All who dwell on the earth will worship him everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

I just love to discuss the Word. My response was as follows:

I will try my best to show you why I have doubts about the Antichrist worldwide rule. I think it may be more regionally based with a worldwide influence. Consider the following verses:

Eze 32:4 “Then will I leave thee upon the land, I will cast thee forth upon the open field, and will cause all the fowls of the heaven to remain upon thee, and I will fill the beasts of the whole earth with thee.”
In this verse, we would not say that every single animal all over the world is going to be eating the bodies of the fallen. It is impossible. 99.99% of the ‘beasts of the earth’ will be living elsewhere

Luk 2:1 “And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.”
There was never a time when Caesar literally taxed all of the world.

1Ki 10:24 “And all the earth sought to Solomon, to hear his wisdom, which God had put in his heart.”
Another example of hyperbole to make a point. The entire literal earth did not seek after Solomon’s wisdom.

Dan 4:1 “Nebuchadnezzar the king, unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you.”
Nebuchadnezzar did not rule every single people and nation in the whole literal earth.

Rom 1:8 “First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.”
Obviously, we know that the faith of Christ was not spoken throughout the whole literal world at this time.

When John was baptizing in Matt. 3: 5-6, we see something similar happening. We read, “Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judea, and all the region round about Jordan, And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.” This sounds as if every living soul in all of Judea, Jerusalem, and everyone in the region of Jordan were baptized by John. Where in reality it is a synecdoche letting us know that there was a very large number of people who were baptized by John. Judea is the whole Southern Kingdom of Israel, which at that time was Israel. We know for a fact that not everyone in Israel was baptized by John.

Obviously all doesn’t always mean literally all. Now the question remains; Will the AC rule over all/the whole world or just a part of the world. Is Rev 13 an exception to the rule? If the other examples in Scripture did not mean the literal earth/all/everyone, can we say that Rev 13 does mean a literal earth/all/everyone?

There is more, but I will leave you with this for now.

Please join this discussion.


74 thoughts on “Will the Antichrist rule the WHOLE world?

  1. Yes agree, Jesus will not be fighting the AC on his own he will have nations fighting with him, More than likely nations like the US, UK, Australia etc. But really its impossible to get the whole entire planet following in 3.5 year reign the AC has.


  2. ah, but the whole world is in the sway of the evil one,….be set apart, i say to myself. Lord Jesus, i’m depending upon you and your guidance and assistance. Thank you for the good work you have begun in us,….lead us continually into moment by moment ” newness of Life “.


  3. fighting???? Jesus said, my Kingdom is not of this world. in speaking to your comment above Peter, i begin to realize that you may be speaking about spiritual warfare and not fighting to hurt each other physically and kill,…..i’m not into killing,….me and my dog do not want to stoop to that level


  4. I think “all” in a specifik area, region.. the AC kingdom? would be impossible indeed in 3,5 years time.. to make the real whole world folow him.. or give everybody the mark of the beast


  5. Matt so let me see if I understand this correctly then.

    So we here in N.America can go through the whole 42 month trib without having to worry too much about ” buying or selling” or having to ” endure to the very end”?

    No sarcasm intended ! I’m just trying to understand.

    Praise the Lord that God is not going to judge me on the words He ” meant” but on what He said ๐Ÿ™‚


  6. Interesting article Wickus.

    I think it’s quite a good thing to point out that the old testament often speaks of the “whole world” when it is not. This has interesting implications, especially as far as the flood is concerned.

    But in my opinion, it seems when it speaks of every tribe language and nation, it is putting emphasis on it. So my view is the Antichrist will rule the whole world. But it won’t last very long. Perhaps at the peak of his rule it is a global rule. But the Antichrist’s empire is marred by lots of war, so it certainly won’t last very long time.


  7. Interesting discussion, thanks.

    If everyone who takes the mark will and can never be saved as indicated by the Lord in Revelations, and all Christians are beheaded during the trib and then raptured before the wrath of the Lamb, who is left? Marked people? Doomed people? So then please explain who the nations are that are judged by the Lord at his return? Who is the sheep nations that will enter the Millennium if everyone is marked?


  8. Forgot to say, Peter, Jesus does not need help to fight the AC. He fights the nations who gathers to fight Him at Armageddon. Read it on Revelations Tony.

    And no, I am not saying that those in Canada or in South Africa will watch the tribulation on television while eating popcorn. Persecution is real, but the severity will be in the around the Mediterranean.


  9. 2 Thessalonians 2

    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, โ€ฆโ€ฆ..>>>>>>except there come a falling away first<<<<<<>>>>>who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshippedโ€ฆโ€ฆ.<<<<<<<<<; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    1} Don't be deceived by ANY means.
    2} Apostasy
    3} Man of SIN is REVEALED.
    4} He regards NO other god which INCLUDES Allah ๐Ÿ™‚


  10. mark of beast may have more to do w/ worshiping false god then it does buying and selling, hey? but we shall endure to the end,…endure” sound doctrine” that is. //// keep the faith, cultivate it now and carry it daily and during the hour of trial that comes upon the whole world, your faith will carry you /\


  11. This discussion is not about Allah or Muslims. And please people, I am not trying to proof that the AC is a Muslim. I dont know were the AC will come from. But by prayerfully discussing this important topic, we will get wisdom.


  12. The Antichrist will rule the Whole World – Just as Scripture says he will. Just because there will be nations that will be against him, doesn’t negate the fact that the Beast System or Empire that will be controlled by Satan and the Antichrist will not be at some point – even prior to the Return of Christ be under his total control. We must remember that the 4th and Final Kingdom that comes upon the World scene will be like none other. It will trample or trodden down every Nation, Empire or Kingdom – even with the wars that will ensue until the End. It will be the final kingdom, under Antichrist control before Christ Returns.


  13. good pt mr baldy! I got to tell ya, this is a real trip,…this here business of ‘ seein thru glass darkly’,….its gonna make the 2020 vision sooo sweet!………. in the meantime, let us continue to endure sound doctrine. Thanks for all the help in that dept., all of you here at Vics place! Lord knows i have been in good hands here at this site


  14. “But these shall escape out of his hand”

    From scripture it appears to me that there is only one small area on the face of the earth
    that the man of sin/lawlessness does not gains control over. An area supernaturally protected by God (for 1,260 days/”a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent”) where the firstfruits/the 144,000 Jewish men, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes
    have fled to and live. Day 1 of the 1,260 begins at the AoD?

    Daniel 11:41-45
    He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
    He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
    But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
    And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

    Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

    Revelation 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

    Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    More detailed info with regard to the man of sin.

    Revelation 13:4-7
    And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
    And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
    And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
    And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    Vic, you asked in your comment above, “Who is left? Marked people? Doomed people?

    We can see in scripture that “late” in the 1,260 day reign of the man of lawlessness, as the 1st bowl/vial wrath judgment is poured out, that there are still people alive on the earth that have avoided being forced to take the mark of the beast. The “grievous sores” only came upon those that had the mark, which indicates that are people alive that have not taken the mark. See in the verses below.

    Revelation 16:1-2
    And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
    And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

    There are people, both sheep and goats to be divided into two groups before Jesus begins His 1,000 year reign with a rod of iron on the earth. The sheep, Jewish believers w/ no mark of the beast will be alive in their current human body and enter into Jesus kingdom.

    Matthew 25:31-34
    When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
    And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:


  15. You make an interesting point, Vic. Something I have never thought of but not sure I agree with. But I am so grateful to hear your side and you willingness to discuss it. I value that in the comment section. Thank you for being considerate with your opinions.


  16. Scott I was so very blessed by your comment .

    I’m just as grateful for your willingness to post the discussion we had over e-mail Vic, thank-you for posting it boetie !

    I love that iron sharpens iron { in agape love } ๐Ÿ™‚


  17. what will consist of this “whole” earth. Will Russia, Iceland, Canada ect…exsist? Scripture says NO.
    How can he take control over the Whole earth and everyone in it in 3.5 years when he will be busy fighting wars? and if he is fighting wars then he only controls the people fighting with him..
    Luke 2:1 King James Version (KJV) Close
    1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed.

    Ceasar never taxed the whole world..

    Example there is around 2 billion Muslims on earth and the same number approximately 2.5 billion Christians maybe a bit more.. and over a billion Hindus, not to mention other religions.
    So The Antichrist wont control either Muslim or christian or Hindu so that’s well over half the worlds population he wont control.. Unless he is a Muslim ( and i know vic said this isn’t a Muslim AC post) but have to look at the facts in reality.
    If he is going to build a temple on the mount and that’s controlled by Muslims then how is that possible unless he is a Muslim and they will let a temple be rebuilt as they have stated but that’s another topic…

    Otherwise He will automatically be at war with 2 billion people. And the Christians will know who he is so that’s another 2.5 billion there about. So that population wont be taking any mark as Muslims will follow Allah no matter what and Christians will follow Jesus no matter what happens..
    He has to arise from a current religion to be accepted or i cant see it working. So if people want to think all 6.5 billion people will follow him or be in control by him then i think you will be waiting for a long time.


  18. This is a great discussion and we need to pray for wisdom. You all have valid points. Scott, I agree with you that some will escape from the AC rule as stipulated in Revelations. Hisown, I know how your mind works in this discussion. But then, I have to agree with Lafreak that I cannot see how the AC will take control and rule over the USA, Russia, China, India, the EU, the Middle East, Africa, etc and everyone will just willingly submit to his rule and worship him like a god. All these religions will not just submit to a man. But if he is in charge of the Levant who has a religion that force a person to submit or to die…. that sounds plausible. “Behead me Muhammad, I will not bow down to Allah.”

    But what seems impossible to me is possible to God. It is just that the currently a world wide antichrist rule does not look possible.


  19. glad for this discussion too because not quite sure of how this shakes out in my understanding either. i do wonder though–between the ecumenical religions (all of them come together apostate christian and non-christian alike) sway over the masses-deep deception-and to add to that the global economy in the hands of so few to control power and clean water, food, travel, etc and the fearful/insecure willing to sell their souls for some “peace and security” i can see a very very large portion of the world giving their power over to the mr “be-all-end-all” ac whose promises come from hell. he will have his enemies (individuals and some rogue governments) it sounds like in the Scripture but it does seem to me that the only real secure ones are the ones that God has hidden away and those that refuse ac mark are targeted (beheadings and starvation, etc – whatever cruelty ac wants to allow or employ to be rid of those against him). so i’m just taking this in to see what Scripture comes to light as this topic is brought forward. thanks to everyone for speaking up.


  20. and i just remembered something about the ones who survive the great tribulation who are healed by the leaves of a certain tree when Jesus is ruling the earth. (something about the healing of the nations?) am i correct that that is to take place? i will have to take time to look that up too.


  21. That’s hilarious Vic! You know how my mind thinks?


    Well then you’re able to answer the question I posed to Peter and what my response would be to him then correct ?

    Man, am I that transparent !!

    Hheehhee ๐Ÿ™‚


  22. How does the AC rule? What gives him his power (outside of Satan)?

    The answer to both of these questions is money.

    Cue global financial collaspe and the Mark of the Beast solution. That is how he will conquer the whole world.



  23. Okay don’t stone me, but….
    If we had a bigger problem than nation against nation…..we might be united to deal with it. I still believe that Lucifer and the angels who want to be worshipped, at some point will want to come out of the closet and be able to walk around and sense the acclaim and awe of mankind, and I can not see any real way for them to do this except to come as perhaps aliens. The new age people are fully anticipating this, even the vatican seems to be anticipating this. There are millions of fallen angels (1/3 of the angels) Some may look wondrous and be hailed, and some look terrible and be feared. If they give us the line that aliens seeded us, and can fix our problems like cancer with a genetically aligning chips….
    If they really come offering the star trek world with all its wonders and the beautiful ones work with the antichrist. Maybe it won’t happen, but I believe we have to keep such a possibility in view.


  24. Good ou Boet!! I never want to use ” thick clay ” to hide behind. Deceiver’s do that !

    So please answer the question Peter, does the AC build a 3rd temple?

    Awesome response Curt. It’s great to see you around ๐Ÿ™‚


  25. This thread is unintentionally hilarious because it would seem that people who want to escape the things to come are reading more into the scriptures in-between the lines than is actually there. Just as The Bible does not say anything about there being a Pre-tribulation so-called “rapture,” nor does The Bible say that whole nations will be given a Free Pass to go around the AC and pass Go and collect $200. The Bible’s English version explicitly says “every tribe and people and tongue and nation,” making no provisions for any exceptions. If you’re still here when he assumes his three+ year control, you would be wise to make peace with being martyred and beheaded, for according to The Bible, that will be your fate.


  26. Nkosazana brings up quite a point. //// Curt as well,…Mammon$$$! //// same with Andrea. Guess its like you said Vic, it’s a great discussion and we should all ‘pray’ for wisdom. We know from scripture that satan is outside of himself, roaring with contempt and seeking to devour….imagine satanic madness and full blown rage that stems from the advesary of God, when he becomes altogether stricken with FEAR, knowing his time is running out,…..horrors! All hell will break loose over the whole earth,…………but those who walk by faith will persevere* PRAISE GOD! //// Peter i sense that when the fullness of the ‘STRONG DELUSION’ comes to pass,’ ALL the world ‘will be drastically changed as the witchcraft spell of the ac misleads the masses worldwide [ kinda like the pied piper thing ]. The believers will be fully insulated from the deception through the agency of the Holy Spirit of TRUTH and on the deepest level, be fearless in spite of the onslaught. //// Scott, that was a powerful presentation of scripture verses that you brought forth,…what can i say? i agree. Yahoo for the wings of eagles, amen…God IS good! //// Eschologizer and Mr. Baldy have it right, or so it seems to me. //// Colleen, i am bewildered by the thing about the actuality of the building of a 3rd temple…i know of the temple not built w/ stones but …..? i dunno, i see thru glass darkly


  27. i won’t stone you nkosazana. i do think during that time when the restrainer is taken away that the people who buy the hype and want “experiences” will have them and the devil and his minions will be happy to oblige them–exactly what that entails i don’t know. more and more people want everything–but God!!! those who are the unbelieving-who would not embrace the Truth of God (and hate reality will have their unreality) will be running after everything imaginable that evil can imagine–for a short time…..(and we think the world is ugly now? what will it be then? makes me shutter)
    don’t feel alone–i am seeing through a glass darkly too tony.


  28. The 3 verses below for example.. Implies there is a 3rd temple rebuilt, Jews want one rebuilt and Muslims would welcome one to be rebuilt, they have openly said that as they see Solomon as a prophet and would like to see his temple built again. There is room next to the dome of the rock to put a temple there. If its not a rebuilt temple then what is it?
    Build a temple bringing some sort of peace between christians/jews/muslims then desecrate it with the islamic sign on top of it and sit in it proclaiming himself as a god or for another example: If he is a muslim AC he could say he is the 12 imam.

    Matthew 24:15 ESV

    โ€œSo when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
    Revelation 11:1-2 ESV

    Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, โ€œRise and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.
    2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 ESV

    Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

    Remember the AC will honour the god of forces or fortresses depending on the bible you have,

    English Standard Version
    He shall honor the god of fortresses instead of these. A god whom his fathers did not know he shall honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts.

    King James Bible
    But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

    But he god of fortresses could be a few things. The AC obviously honors a God of forces, SO does he say is is a God or the God or makes people worship another god that he honours?.
    On a side note for information: Islam is expecting a return of the 12th Imam or Mahdi to come and save Muslims from tyranny and rule the world under sharia law with Jesus who the Koran calls EESA at his side.
    The 12 imam is a linage as there was 11 before him and one to come so instantly you have 2 billion people onside if someone who they are waiting for anyway.
    They will worship him instantly and take any mark he wants them to take. It makes sense.
    The AC isn’t about a world dictator like Hitler its very religious and since it is religious i don’t believe a new religion will suddenly appear and billions of religious people will suddenly drop their religion and just bow down. It seems to be logical that the AC rises out of one of the current ones.
    I could be wrong, could be right or some of it right or wrong, only God currently knows.
    Cheers ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ˜‰


  29. Sorry Peter but that’s your interpretation and I don’t agree with it ๐Ÿ™‚

    Jesus refers to the Temple as His Body.We are His Body- period! Why would my Christ sit in a DEFILED temple that the AC has polluted already when He tells me to FLEE all forms of idolatry and ‘things that defile. Come on seriously!

    The AOD is NOT a third temple. Sorry! but again that’s your interpretation ๐Ÿ™‚

    There has to be 2 witnesses of a physical 3rd temple and sorry I don’t see that in the Word of God.

    This has been discussed ad nauseam before and I really don’t have the time to debate you on this but do pray that we would be willing to lay aside our man taught doctrines and hear what the Spirit is saying.

    1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which manโ€™s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.



  30. If the AC stops sacrifice and offering then where do they start?
    Sacrifice happens were god tells them to do it and the temple was the last place he told them.. The Jewish people wont sacrifice unless there is a temple of some sort.
    Deuteronomy 12:13-14 (ESV)
    13 Take care that you do not offer your burnt offerings at any place that you see, 14 but at the place that the Lord will choose in one of your tribes, there you shall offer your burnt offerings, and there you shall do all that I am commanding you.

    SO this raises an issue: They stopped sacrifices after the destruction of the temple around 70 CE because there is no proper place to offer them. The Torah specifically commands not to offer sacrifices wherever we feel like it Deuteronomy 12:13-14; they are only permitted to offer sacrifices in the place that God has chosen for that purpose, which currently is the temple. If they don’t end up building one then they will more than likely erect some sort of structure or use the Dome of the Rock but i don’t see Jewish people using the Dome.

    I am not going to say yes or no to them rebuilding one but they do restart sacrifices and for sacrifices to resume then it will only happen in the temple. So they are trying to get it rebuilt unless God tells them to do it someplace else. ๐Ÿ™‚


  31. just a thought but—the hebrew people were given a tabernacle before they got their temple. they have already been doing pashel sacrifices in israel remember? i have seen pictures of them doing the sacrifice in recent years so perhaps they will have temporarily settle for a “tabernacle” in the more present plans to at least have a presence in the holy place on temple mount again? (and the future temple gets built when the King of righteousness is here again?) there is a literal application to these issues for the jewish people to “finish” their religions observances (but when they finally see Jesus will know their attempts were in vain) because this is where this issue ends up……..
    Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
    Zec 6:13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
    this is all going to manifest soon i think because very possible temple mount will be divided to be shared internationally (at least what direction appears to be going right now) just my opinion but not without some precedent to observe……..


  32. This is off topic: i just watched the movie TRANSCEDENCE , with Johnny Deep. Its about what the technocrats call, the ‘Singularity’. Lord seemed to have made me aware of just how OVERWHELMINGLY TEMPTING it is going to be, to eat of this IRRESISTABLE FRUIT. i am not just saying this to post a comment. It is not called Strong Delusion for nothing. in the fullest sense of the expression this will so profoundly “rock your world”. //// I suppose that this is why our heavenly father will cut those days short. God knows when to intervene in the affairs of His children like a good parent. This conjures up some questions in my spiritual understandings? and assumptions. Just how revived and empowered are we really going to be as we are unified as a body in those days ahead??,……….the Bride will need to be rescued*


  33. Yes let’s look at the ” tabernacle ” ๐Ÿ™‚

    God is IN His Templeโ€ฆ and WHERE IS THAT ?

    H E A V E N

    Psalm 11:4 The Lord is in his holy temple, the Lord’s throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.

    Jesus then fulfils Zechariah chapter 6 and as prophesied in Mal 3

    Zechariah 6:12-13 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord: Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

    Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.

    One of the reasons we are called to live a life set apart and to ABSTAIN from lust and spiritual fornication is because WE ARE that temple ๐Ÿ™‚

    I Cor 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

    NOTE WHAT AGREEMENT can Christ have with a temple that Lucifer defiled? { it’s like God telling us NOT to defile our bodies with spiritual fornication YET He sits down in the very same ” temple” that Lucifer sat in ? Really? Wow that would be like me saying to my son , “Please keep yourself pure before marriage” { which he did } and then I’m caught in a act of adultery ? I don’t think so!

    2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    I love that we offer sweet sacrifices where?

    I Peter 2:5 You also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

    The temple of God is ONCE again mentioned as being where?

    H E A V E N
    Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

    At the very end of ALL things there is no longer a need for a temple why ?


    Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.


  34. but the jews (nationally) do not share that with us hisown since as yet not saved. there is a literal application for them still outside of Christ….and then…..when they (who are real israel get saved) do come in to Christ. my daily reading is right now where all of this is spoken of in zechariah. and isaiah speaks to thiese things also. there is a temple for Jesus the Rod Bearer to rule from during His 1000 year reign on the earth and the nations will flow into it. does anyone else know what i’m referring to?


  35. “Thou shalt rule them with a rod of iron, and shalt break them in pieces like a potter’s vessel”
    what does that look like over time, Past or Future?

    Seems to me like the Shattering of Nation’s is nearly accomplished……….and the 1,000 years along with it.

    The Nations have flowed into it Andre’. In the Seed (singular) of Abraham, all Nations Have been Blessed….With the Gospel of Salvation in That Seed (Christ).

    Literal 1,000 year reign to come? Don’t know, could be, could be another dimension of the same prophecy.

    Hisown’s got it right about the Temple IMO…………..No more sacrifice will Ever be done to fulfill Daniel 9:27………Already been fulfilled.

    Only the Temple made without hands remains…and will Remain for All Eternity, Praise God for the High Priest of That Glorious Temple!

    Howdy again brothers and sisters ๐Ÿ™‚


  36. howdy tribber,….you are back and i am smilin’ BIG,…darn good to see ya postin’ again and that there ” Howdy ” gets it!


  37. hi tribber! have hoped to hear from you again!!! the jews hope to build the temple again but it won’t be them getting that done in my understanding (Jesus gets it done). the covenants with the land are going to be fulfilled when the not-so-nice neighbors have to relinquish (and then gladly because no longer going to hate their brother israel as before) what is the land that God originally said was for the jews His chosen for it (and failed to conquer fully)–those borders become much much larger with jerusalem as the world’s capital and the KING there reigning on His throne showing the nations of that generation what the temple was to really be all along–the Lord’s name is there-Jehovah Shammah as King and Priest to the world. the once shadowed understanding become reality. and yes i believe a dual fulfillment. the King of hearts manifested as the King of the whole world for 1000 years also fulfilling the seventh day of creation-a day is as a 1000 years-rest all around when the Prince of Peace takes His place on the earth. the Rod of Iron will be a good convincer for those even thinking about rebelling ๐Ÿ˜‰ because He Who wields it is perfectly just amen? some of what i understand and need to come to know better in time-the Lord is bringing me along-correcting me as needed. i just know Jesus will show us and one day i’ll have everything understood-right now not so much…… ๐Ÿ™‚ have missed you tribber. you are a good brother here.


  38. 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 – There is a Powerful Delusion!!!! And I say that the Delusion has already been happening, and will continue to happen until the Antichrist is revealed… That Delusion will be very believable and convincing to all, and the Bible says that potentially even some of the elect might be fooled… Remember he sets himself up to be God…
    As far as there being a 3rd Temple built… I don’t think there will be a 3rd Temple… Our bodies are temples of the living God… 1 Cor 6:19-20
    The belief is that out of Chaos comes order and so there will be an event that will kick off, sort of speak, their new plan, however that new plan will not go as planned and will backfire on them… I believe then the will be an escape of the Bride at this time…
    I wonder if all the religions of the world are some how tied together via the Old Covenant Law??? Meaning each Religion has taken a part of that Law and made it a to do not or do list of things to live by… “Works” based religions (Including some Christian Organizations). Jesus through the New Covenant died for Sins once and for all, and so the Sin issue is removed, and thus only remains restoration of life, (Salvation) and that life is eternal. Hebrews 9:28. So could it be that it will not be so difficult to unite these religions under 1… Just a thought…
    I do also think that we’ll be united as Curt said for 1 Currency and Government lead by the Antichrist…


  39. the devil has a plan and so does God and the devil will try to counterfeit the real one. (i can tell this issue is a tangled one). i do not understand mixing a salvation issue here though with what is to happen with the jews to finish out the transgression and then (those chosen among them) come to faith in Jesus and live out their own covenant with the Lord in the land (with those expanded borders He promised them) as the other nations look on. i think the confusion of that issue is not allowing for the literal and the spiritual to be seen fully. in another comment i mentioned that all the religions-apostate christian and non-christian alike-will try to come together in the whole issue of temple mount for a compromise that will make the deceived believe they are doing what will “work” for “peace and security” for the whole utopian delusion. will it involve the temple mount/temple? yes. and those bent on having it in their time their way? yes. but they won’t get it done as they think. Gods plan will come to together for those future covenant promise fulfillments when the devils (and his man ac) “short time” gets used up.


  40. “hi tribber! have hoped to hear from you again!!! the jews hope to build the temple again but it wonโ€™t be them getting that done in my understanding (Jesus gets it done).”

    Thanx Andre’, Vic and Tony ๐Ÿ™‚
    But Andre’, Jesus already got it done………there is no other foundation that shall be laid.
    He planted the First Cornerstone, He Himself.
    And we, as living stones are Being Built In Him and On Him.

    As far as a World Oder and the antichrist’s rule of it….I do think it will be eventually completely involving all tongues and nations at some point during the 3.5 year great trib.

    but we win, the LOSER will never Rule the Faithfull Congregation of God, God’s Judgment will Sit in Favor of the Favored……………….And we WILL Possess the Kingdom.

    What a Dote the Loser is to think he can Conquer they that Come to the Perfect Man, to the Fullness of Christ’s Body…. when God’s Glory Shall Be Revealed in the Saints.


  41. Is 66
    1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
    2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
    3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog’s neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine’s blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

    The land promises will be fulfilled for Faithfull Israel….but Only to Faithful Israel (Jew and Gentile Alike).

    The Spiritual meaning of scripture is the Primary Meaning, and the Literal/Physical meaning is Subservient to the Primary.

    So, we must all wait and see what remains of the Physical parts……..while the Spiritual parts have been made very evident in Christ.


  42. Yes tribber. Salvation from His Cross is done. Praise the Name of Jesus Christ the Lord. ๐Ÿ™‚ but the old covenants with the land and His people the jews are still in play-need a completion. a separate issue. we are His bride. israel is His wife that has been divorced from Him but has a restoration coming and it involves those things i brought up-temple mount-the temple-the land-the role of israel in the world when every people will follow a jew to jerusalem to see The King. the jews were supposed to lead the world to the King (Jesus) and failed to do it because they failed to see the suffering servant (of isaiah 53) was really their Lord and Master–Messiah!—but God had a plan–the church!!! to show that Truth of the Gospel-the finished work of Christ to the world in israel’s failure to receive Him and declare Him…….but they will have the opportunity to finish the call with those generations after the tribulation time and the ac is done doing that horrific business (finish the transgression),. i hope i am making this clear–i’m trying ๐Ÿ˜‰


  43. “i hope i am making this clearโ€“iโ€™m trying ”

    I understand your meaning completely, but you’ve not yet understood what I’m trying to say.
    That is the case when the prevailing opinion that the Church and Israel are divided and each have separate promises from God.
    But there is no Division of God’s People………from Able till the last Faithful Child of God is Graft into His One and Only People.

    The Church/Congregation of God didn’t begin at Pentecost or at the First preaching of the Gospel by Christ or at the preaching of John.

    So much is misunderstood about God’s People, and that’s where all the literal and spiritual fulfillment ping ponging comes from.

    God will Open all of our eyes fully very soon I think………And then, Wow, God’s People will Know as We are known, and every enemy of God will be in One Big Hurtlocker Together!

    We will soon see


  44. actually tribber we are in the main pretty much saying the same thing. i believe the jews have a distinct role to fill as His chosen people in earthly promises but it all rolls in to one for israel and the church in it’s conclusion. Heaven is our destination! the middle wall of partition has been brought down by Jesus the LORD ๐Ÿ™‚ HE said so…so…so it is! God’s plan is truly coming together and that puts all Who love and adore Him–worship Him only—–on the same page. some are still coming in—some will come in through the tribulation time–they are few in number compared to the world’s billions–but God knows them already and one day so shall we. i do not worry about what i do not know and i do not worry about being deceived because i stay in the Word–it is hidden in my heart that i might not sin against Him–the Truth exposes the lies of the enemy and the Spirit of God reveals more and more to us who are waiting and watching for Jesus….and He even said I have told you beforehand so things are coming to light as all of this unfolds…so i am asking by faith-seeking by faith-His wisdom. faith is the only thing that pleases Him-i sure cannot earn it or muster it–but just simply knowing in my heart—-trusting in the One Whose Loving-kindness is better than life—–greater is HE that is in me than he that is in the world. ๐Ÿ™‚ am glad for everyone’s participation too.


  45. we are all in enough agreement, and keeping the main thing the main thing…and that is faith in Christ and Him Crucified…..for us…and not relying on any righteousness of our own.
    In the midst of any onslaught of confusion by the enemy we will stand, rooted and ground in the faith, once delivered to the Saints.

    Glory to God brothers and sisters!


  46. i have heard about a teaching about the days of creation and the milleniums (1000 years) and the types and foreshadows in it.
    ***day 1-light separated from darkness…in the 1st 1000 man’s sin separated him from God
    ***day 2-separation of the waters above and below….in the 2nd 1000 waters from above and below the earth used in judgment
    ***day 3-plants yielding their seed….in the 3rd 1000 promise given to abraham that thru his seed would come Messiah blessing all the nations of the earth
    ***day 4-lights in heaven created…in the 4th 1000 kings and prophets were given as lights to israel and Jesus the Christ had come as the Light of the world
    ***day 5-living creatures were created…in the 5th 1000 Jesus had died and rose and brought eternal life by faith in His atoning sacrifice and the church was born (born again eternally alive!)
    ***day 6-man was told to fill the earth and subdue it…in the 6th 1000 now 7 billion souls 7# of completion and man has even gone into the frontier of outer space-the earth is filled with men running to and fro doing evil continually and the earth now groans loudly for what is next!
    ***day 7-God rested…in the 7th 1000 the earth will see restoration, man will see the lion lay down (at rest) with the lamb when the King of Righteousness is here–rest from constant war and even a child can put it’s hand in a vipers pit safely. the Prince of Peace will bring that peace and rest.

    and then with all that said and done…………….God will create a new heaven and a new earth!

    Jesus was here 2000 years ago. He is coming again and we know it won’t be long!!!

    the 6000th year finishing and the 7th about to commence ๐Ÿ™‚ the transgression is about to complete-the devil has a short time coming up on the horizon–we can feel it! and then The KING will set foot on the earth! hallelujah! /

    comment if yall want to-or not…just thought i would share something in these parallels that i believe are truly wonderful. God bless.


  47. andrea*,andrea*,andrea*,….you are sending fireworks and smoke signals that ressonate with my spiritual understanding concerning things i don’t fully understand,….OMG! thankks!


  48. I agree with you Hisown, But i know the Sanhedrin want to rebuild a temple and so do Some imams (Islam).
    Sanhedrin who just read the Torah don’t believe Jesus was the messiah so they think they need to please God via sacrifice. Where we know Jesus sacrificed himself for us so there is no need to sacrifice animals anymore. The Sanhedrin were the ones who had Jesus killed
    As i said it seems that they want it rebuilt, so if they did build one then its not from God.

    This is what they say: โ€œThe point is that we canโ€™t live without the Temple,โ€ Richman says. โ€œItโ€™s not about building, itโ€™s about a concept: the idea that all of human experience can be elevated to a sense of divine purpose.โ€

    Laying the groundwork for a Third Temple in Jerusalem

    This is September 29th 2014
    Palestinians Irate As โ€˜Third Temple With Underground Parkingโ€™ Crowd funding Raises $105,000..
    The new Jewish Temple will offer millions of pilgrims underground parking, according to a new plan that just received the endorsement of hundreds of supporters who put their money where their faith is.


    This what they want to do and are on track.


  49. Now who would have thought that this thread would have brought all you guys back huh? I love it!

    Whew I was getting a little hot under the collar there for a while and was wondering when the cavalry would show up !! Laugh ๐Ÿ™‚

    Don’t ya just love how the Lord causes us to keep each other accountable and on the right track! He is 100% faithful and true to His word.

    Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one anotherโ€™s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.


  50. my time is more freed up lately and the topics are terrific right hisown? i appreciate the input from everybody. i think we all have many things we can offer to be sorted here–but sorted they’ll be by the only Authority we will accept…the inerrant Word of Holy God!
    tony do you see me?
    here i am >>>>> ๐Ÿ™‚
    love to all in Christ Jesus our LORD and coming KING.


  51. That’s great Andre, I ‘m jealous that I don’t have as much free time but find myself skimping on other things to peek in daily.

    Hey , please tell me this is a prank someone ๐Ÿ™‚

    Zombie Preparedness Month ?

    Pfftttt! Zombies? Or Apollyon?

    Oh wait what am I saying, the TIMING is perfect ! I think I may need to go re-vist that mini video I made on my phone the 26th of May ๐Ÿ™‚



  52. you guys are the ‘bride’,…and my heart goes,…boom. boom. boom! It’s like this; THE LOVE OF GOD IS REAL. //// maggie and me send xoxoxoxoxoxox* //// boy, that was nice and God is Good and He gives us love to hold on to. //// Say, i wonder what any one thinks of this paper on ‘ Jacob’s Trouble’… http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000438.htm //// Andrea, that was so sweet and wonderfully playful* and YES i see you,….the one w/ the smile of kindness supreme.!,…………..happy, happy!


  53. that ZOMBIE thing Colleen, freaks me rite OUT! i don’t quite know how to take it? the planet and its inhabitants are changing strange, for sure—>as we head into the dark days to come. //// Colleen, DO NOT go out for halloween this year!


  54. Tony, Tony , Tony { that’s momma Andre talking now } but I never go out on HELLoween but choose to close myself in my prayer closet and hide till the evil has passed by my home ๐Ÿ™‚ It works every time and asking the Lord to keep the evil from knocking at my door ALWAYS proves how powerful prayer really is ๐Ÿ™‚ Try it !

    Will try and read the link you provided later ๐Ÿ™‚


  55. i love that song of great encouragement and choose to stay strong indeed. i am blessed by the Fathers love, again. nice link andrea, i give thanks a plenty!


  56. well you have me pegged hisown ๐Ÿ˜‰ . we can talk like family around here at vic’s place……because we are. ๐Ÿ™‚ we don’t even need faces to know that because the Spirit bears witness. i am not arrived yet to where God is taking me in my character but i pray for His sanctifying Grace (the same Grace that saved me!) to continually work to rid me of the old nature that i may put on (still by faith) His new one. that work will go on until i am finally Home with Jesus. when we do see each other one day in Glory we will be like Him! yesterday was the funeral of a very dear friend who was only 56 years old. she truly loved the Lord and faithfully served Him and in her sphere of influence she reached out to many. precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints! Jesus does all things well and death is overcome! what a price He paid to give us forgiveness and cleansing….and a future and a hope…eternal life..forever life! the tears won’t last!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX-QUtsf_g4
    God is good to let us all have one another. be encouraged in His strength, in the Mighty Name of Jesus.


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