94 thoughts on “By peace he shall destroy many… 2”
Vic I don’t have the time to go through this clip but will do so as time permits.Had a few min spare and I agree 100% that we are IN the strong delusion . I say that in fear and trembling as I see how evil around me is even more depraved in their minds than ever. Their LIES have BECOME their truth as a lying spirit has taken over in every facet of their lives. This means only one thing- D E A T H !Disobedience ALWAYS causes that! Period!
I would love to share how the Lord led me to that in my quite time yesterday and the EXAMPLES of those in the Word.Powerful understanding!Love how the Lord teaches ! just love it!
I feel such pain when I hear what he is saying. My sister absolutely believes everything the Government says. She is like a stone wall, there is no middle ground. When I hear her talk, inside I am shaking my head. I can’t believe what she believes! Ugh! The things last day events are starting to hit home.
IT is a really good video.. I think there is a few points to consider looking outside the box here.
1. Will the Antichrist rise from Islam?
2. Will the EU come and save Israel when they are about to be taken over? With the AC coming from the EU like most of us here always had view he would be.
3. Will the mark of the beast be the mark of Allah like we saw in a video on Facebook? Or will the mark be a RFID type device?
4. Will the mark of the beast be world wide or more locally to that area? as it is almost impossible to mark the entire planet in 3.5 years or maybe less depending on when it is forced after the mid point of the 7 year covenant.
5. the beheading the bible talks about is it Islam that does it? It seems right on that point as no other religion or country beheads people.
6. I cant see ISIL making a 7 year peace deal with Israel and many nations due to how radical they are and aren’t a state to make a deal.
7. Will the destruction of Damascus happen before Ezekiel 38 as the video thinks it might? And will the USA drop bombs onto Syria which will also Bring Russia and Iran into the fight causing the Gog Magog war?
There is so many ifs and buts and maybe this maybe that. I do know that it looks like Prophecy is really happening but its hard to pinpoint the facts as to where the AC will arise from and who he will lead. If he deceives the whole world i can see that happening more from a western leader like from the EU rather than Islam due to how the world currently views that religion. But again Satan is the master of deception so who knows..
Gotta keep watching this one and see how it turns out.. So far not good but who knows.
Cheers
Peter.
My question to the pastor is if he is willing to ask himself the very same question he posed to his audience.
“Are you ready?,,,,, to face the tribulation Pastor brother? I mean to face the horror of what’s coming RATHER than place your hope in a quick exit?
Sorry, I don’t mean to offend but how does one watch this without weeping for those that try and pin the STRONG DELUSION on Islam but seem to be under another blindness themselves ? I say that in much agape love and concern.
Peter you’ve made some pretty good points and maybe we can exhaust each one of those. I would also like to share the verses the Lord led me on how when one CHOOSES to DISOBEY the Word of the Lord he is given over to death. Spiritual as well as physical. God also sends a LYING spirit when disobedience is NOT repented of.Will do so as time avails.
Peter I was reflecting on how Saul was disobedient to the Lord { God sent him a lying spirit soon afterwards} and how Samuel ” HEWD ” the king of the Amalekites in pieces.
How is one “hewn”?
1 Samuel 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Samuel also said unto Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord.
2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
5 And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley.
6 And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.
7 And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt.
8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.
10 Then came the word of the Lord unto Samuel, saying,
11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night.
12 And when Samuel rose early to meet Saul in the morning, it was told Samuel, saying, Saul came to Carmel, and, behold, he set him up a place, and is gone about, and passed on, and gone down to Gilgal.
13 And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of the Lord: I have performed the commandment of the Lord.
14 And Samuel said, What meaneth then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?
15 And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.
16 Then Samuel said unto Saul, Stay, and I will tell thee what the Lord hath said to me this night. And he said unto him, Say on.
17 And Samuel said, When thou wast little in thine own sight, wast thou not made the head of the tribes of Israel, and the Lord anointed thee king over Israel?
18 And the Lord sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.
19 Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of the Lord, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of the Lord?
20 And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the Lord, and have gone the way which the Lord sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.
21 But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in Gilgal.
22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
24 And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
25 Now therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the Lord.
26 And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, and the Lord hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.
27 And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.
28 And Samuel said unto him, The Lord hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou.
29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
30 Then he said, I have sinned: yet honour me now, I pray thee, before the elders of my people, and before Israel, and turn again with me, that I may worship the Lord thy God.
31 So Samuel turned again after Saul; and Saul worshipped the Lord.
32 Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.
33 And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the Lord in Gilgal.
34 Then Samuel went to Ramah; and Saul went up to his house to Gibeah of Saul.
35 And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.
Very good points you are making Peter. If I may let me give my 2c worth on them:
1) Maybe or maybe not. But I am sure that the beheading of the AC rule will be from Islam.
2) Depends on number 1.
3) Lately I am of the opinion that the MOB will not be a technological RFID chip. A permanent tattoo on your head or hand will be sufficient to show if you have submitted to Islam. No tattoo, no buying and selling and no head.
4) I think the MOB will be more localized. It will not be possible to mark a few billion people in 3.5 years.
5) Yes, beheading is Islam.
6) ISIS will never make peace with anyone. But then again, I fail to see a 7 year peace treaty in the Bible.
7) We have to wait and see.
Quote, ” Elitism and arrogance are the halklmarks of deception, self deception is the fulfillment of elitism and arrogance, whereim ome believes they are God!”
I also can’t find a seven year peace treaty, nor can I find a seven year tribulation. Its amazing how people don’t look any further then what they have been told. I find it very scary what’s going on in the world and isis..and true..beheading is islam..but i keep the EU in mind
When i mentioned the 7 year covenant i was referring to this verse:
Daniel 9:27King James Version (KJV)
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
A week is 7 years which is also the 70th week or 7×70 = 490 years of Daniel’s prophecies.
That covenant restarts the 70 weeks at the 69th week which is the last week.
The 7 weeks – This 49 year period is the time where the ‘commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem’ was given. It would take 49 years to accomplish this, and it began in 445 BC.
The 62 weeks – From the end point on the rebuilding of the walls, until Messiah was to be revealed, it would be 62 weeks, or 434 years.
The last week – This 7 year period is yet future because God stopped the timeclock when Israel rejected the Messiah and He went to the cross.
Thats from what i understand, what are your views?
The problem is not with the 7 year covenant, but with the peace treaty. There is no indication what this confirmed covenant will be. There is a huge assumption in the Church that it will be a peace treaty, but will it?
Hi Vic,
Thanks for verifying that.. I see your point, didn’t look at it that way.
So you reckon it might be a cease fire or some sort of agreement like a land deal maybe? That its broken in the mid point?
So many churches out there say.. Rapture then Tribulation then great tribulation which they say is peace treaty.
Or mid trib or post trib and peace treaty. When know the bible doesn’t say tribulation.
But a 7 year tribulation doesn’t make sense if there is an agreement that is broken half way.. that looks to me that either way the first half is not a tribulation, it sounds like its just a normal agreement.
The way some churches talk about Tribulation they make it sound its going to be like the movie 2012.
I looked up the meaning of it:
trib·u·la·tion (trby-lshn)
1. Great affliction, trial, or distress; suffering: Their tribulation has finally passed. See Synonyms at trial.
2. An experience that tests one’s endurance, patience, or faith. See Synonyms at burden1.
[Middle English tribulacioun, from Old French tribulacion, from Latin trbulti, trbultin-, from trbultus, past participle of trbulre, to oppress, from Latin trbulum, threshing-sledge; see ter-1 in Indo-European roots.]
Peter, to be honest, I have theories on the 7 year covenant, but it may be wrong.
My first theory is (depending on what the future holds) the 7 year ENPi that is confirmed in the 2014 ENP.
My second theory is that Jesus fulfilled the first half (3.5 years) in His earthly ministry and that there is officially only 3.5 years left. Therefore the AoD is not the mid point of the tribulation but the start of the 3.5 year tribulation. Jesus confirmed in Matt 24 from verse 15 that tribulation will start when we see the AoD.
i do not think of people who are not seeing it (as i have come to believe) as deceived per say (but more mis-guided) for believing about the 7 year tribulation still outstanding with the rapture proceeding–because i think it quite clear that Scripture much better supports what you stated vic. (i believe that the global deep deception is more about following another “jesus” -falling away from the real Jesus-and there are so many tares in amongst the wheat it is appalling-so it is those who will not pick up the real cues about where things are on the prophectic timeclock about ac and his mark-besides what and how they are truly wrong about the Real Gospel and caught in their unbelief-which in so many is only a mental ascent and no true conversion from sin and self-righteousness. i have hope for those who are the true “wheat” though and watching-but not able to see it just yet-who do have the Holy Spirit who will bring them up to speed just like i know He will do/is doing for me as needed as i don’t entirely see the whole picture yet either) so i believe your words vic to be very well said. i believe we have been seeing layers of fulfillment-7’s that have even come and gone but there is hanging in the balance that 3.5 years that will commence (soon i think!) when jerusalem is surrounded by armies as in matthew and luke what Jesus Himself told us to look for. the world at large now basically and fundamentally has formed a consensus (like the global march to jerusalem a little ways back for instance) that has furthered that agenda adding to the political climate we now have-that makes israel the troubler of the whole world-those responsible for no lasting peace-(al-qaeda arab spring and isis and isl as examples are not at all blamed-isn’t that nuts?) which the so-called peace keepers will soon (not later!) be doing by force as they surround jerusalem. in this present time of stronger and stronger birth pangs coming upon the world the clarity is coming 🙂 to all these things and those who truly love Christ’s appearing will come together as His church in the darkest hour the world has ever known-the 2nd half-called the great tribulation. i believe a really really big “shoe is fixin’ to drop”…..2015 i think will be epic for this. just airing out my head folks and welcome any comments for helping me better understand. love to all in the Blessed Name above all names—JESUS the LORD!
So true Andre’. The great deception is following a false Jesus/Gospel and/or believe Islam is a religion of peace. And AMEN to the rest of your comment. Agreed.
andrea, i couldn’t agree more – that they are not ‘deceived’, but at most, misguided. Well said. thls thing about ‘be not deceived is about ,’ many will come in my name!’,….Imposters,…………….IMPOSTER!, this false savior who will speak the same lie as the serpent in the garden when he tells the people of the world that we are evolving into godhood. the lie is in connection with Evolution…………….evolution=the longest lie…………., from genesis to revelation. Henry Morris wrote a book called,” Evolution; the longest lie.”
Okay so if I may jump in here for a sec as Tony brought up a very good point that begs this question then.
Why would Christ say to { those that PROFESS to KNOW Him } ———>>>
” I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
These people weren’t USING the name of Allah or some other false god BUT Jesus right!
Could one not be DECEIVED by another ” jesus, another gospel and another spirit “?
I fear so more now than ever yes!
It’s in the fruit people!
I KNOW many who say they KNOW Jesus, but are they KNOWN of Him. That’s the crucial question that needs to be posed here as the day’s grow more deceptive . We need to guard our hearts even more so than ever.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
There is another jesus masquerading all around us and was led to that again today in my quiet time.
Who are these two false gods in today’s culture?
Judges 2:13 And they forsook the Lord, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.
Not to open a huge debate on the paganism all around us but let’s call it what it is-
IDOLATRY!
God is a jealous God and He will have NO other god’s before Him. Maybe the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Thanks Vic, your understanding of prophecy is awesome and i agree with what you said, I think you are on the right track with the 3.5 years left rather than 7 being Jesus ministry was the first 3.5
I still think the ENPI is definitely worth watching as well, we all have put alot of thought into that theory over the years and it also is still a valid one.
Its going to be a very interesting time ahead, Here is a fact i saw on the news tonight: ISIL has taken over as much land as the size of great Britain.
I know the west is trying to hold them back but i don’t think its as easy as they think it will be.
Andre’, Tony and Hisown thanks also for your replies, Its encouraging to get some honest feedback and your opinions are a blessing.
Were all doing what Jesus wants us to do and that is keep watching for signs of his return, Don’t want to be “sleeping” as they say.
Matthew 24:37-39King James Version (KJV)
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
I love that we’re coming to the unity of the faith as the Lord promised we would ! Just love it!
Peter you said “I think you are on the right track with the 3.5 years left rather than 7 being Jesus ministry was the first 3.5″
EXACTLY 🙂
Back in 2006 right up until 2010 most of still adhered to a 7 yr trib and when we reached the ” midst ” of the ENP many fell away and were hugely disappointed that it just fizzled out. Some of us used that time to rethink the whole theory and went back to the drawing board with a CLEAN slate. It was a comment that a dear sister in Christ made on FP ( Nony} that caused many of us to dig deeper. It did me 🙂
If I may quote her { Nony if you’re reading this I miss you tremendously and am so grateful for your moderation @ FP and miss seeing you there! }
“The Geneva Bible, also known as the “Pilgrim’s” Bible, has footnotes that hold that Christ fulfilled the 1st half of Daniel’s 70th week, with His 3 1/2 year ministry”
To save time here is a copy/paste from e-mail discussion with Vic and Scott in 2010 🙂
Christ put a END to sin by His ULTIMATE sacrifice on the cross and for the remission of our sins!
“This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many…” (Matthew 26:28)
Christ Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant.
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel. Heb 12 :24
For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. -Rom 11:27
This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:16
We are the Temple – Naos- 1 Peter 2 : 5 –
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are 1 Cor 3 : 17
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Cor 6: 19
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: Eph 2 : 21
Does the 42 month tribulation period kick off when Jerusalem is surrounded. The Jews flee – this ? – http://www.presstv.ir/detail/157971.html ( Scripture confirmaiton in Dec ‘ 07 ? – ) I will send the – Mark 13 : 14 , Luke 21 : 20 appointed- time scripture confirmations e-mail to *****
Satan inhabits the man of sin- ( after he is cast out – once and for all – ) ( he still has access to the throne- accusing us daily )- And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. -Job 1
Till no more place found for him- see his arrogance – in Isaiah 14 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: ( he is sititng on the throne in the apostate church already and has deceived them as he did when he caused the sons of God to rebel against the Lord.)
*There will be the the trampling of Jerusalem for 42 months.
*The protection of the Jews in the desert from Satan for 1260 days.
*The beast ruling / making war with the saints for the 42 month period.
*Christ’s second VISIBLE return and the setting up of His 1000 yr earthy reign.
*Satan bound for that period. Let loose for a little while to test the nations once again. –
*And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
*Judgment – And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
*And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
*New heaven and new earth.- And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
*Eternity.
None of us are ” preterist” in our eschatology thinking or that we adhere to the amillennialism or postmillennialism view…..:)
the “tares” among the “wheat” get the Gospel wrong (and no doubt prophecy too)! they are busy alright but not in the Lord’s true service–it is self-service they are doing and they are deceived. (they swallow false doctrine and some of it may be right doctrine in most of the main things but…in compromise these coddle the Lord’s enemies-many reside on the “borderlands” and some openly snuggle up in enemy camps). since they only have the profession of the Lord but are not possessed of the Lord He will tell them I never knew you. big difference between professing the Lord and possessing the Lord amen? (praise the Lord greater is HE that is in me than he that is in the world!!!) and God knows their hearts…and i do not-none of us for sure knows all of that. some of these imposters are very obvious already and some are not–God does not give us a full-time job of fruit inspection but does reveal things-people-that we are to be guarded and wary of thank You Jesus again! some “fruit” will show up as not fruit at all—-*but for now the Lord lets the wheat and the tares grow together in the same fields*—-and His reapers for sure know the difference 😉 ) as we get closer and closer to Jesus return i believe the Lord will reveal more and more of these for us to run from. judas was not outted as an imposter until the zero hour but Jesus knew all along one was not truly His. that is why the ac will be revealed–God uses the timing to His advantage–not really known until zero hour. so some people on the fence right now (in the valley of decision–under conviction) will run to the Lord and be saved when the wheels come totally off…but sadly most will not! meanwhile we have a great commission and call upon us from Jesus Himself just before He ascended and that is what the wheat proves itself doing—obeying the call and command Jesus–go! it is love for and in the brethren that the world will know we belong to Jesus and love obeys and love goes where the Master sends it-and pray to the LORD of the Harvest! that is really our full-time job-bearing the light-the Lord Jesus revealed-manifested in us! (to reveal His Son in me that i might preach Him among the heathen…gal 1:16 –such was i before Christ–for ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God! col 3:3) so…….we bear witness before the tares too……and…….God will sort them for us 🙂 . be blessed today by your Possessor-Jesus knows us each and every one by name — \ 0 /
Hi all,
check this video out , its about the mark of the beast being localized in the area known as the promised land. Pretty much what we have been discussing. You know this whole islamic movement might really be the end times one that brings back Jesus, The closer they get to Israel the more and more it really starts to make me feel like it is.
Another point i want to make,, Doesn’t the antichrist set himself up in Babylon? And ISIL is Islamic state Iraq Levant..
Babylon is Iraq.
Isaiah 13:19-22King James Version (KJV)
19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees’ excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.
So by the looks of it Babylon would be the capital city of the Antichrist . It would be both a political and economic capital. According to both Zechariah 5 as well as Revelation 18, his religious capital will be Jerusalem where he will set up his image in the Jewish Temple. But Iraq will be where he sets himself up to rule.
Its falling into place and so many people are going to just miss the whole thing and before they know it Jesus will return like in the days of Noah.
Meaning the days of Noah where no one will be ready.. we know he will suddenly come back. Most of the christian world will be waiting for events that wont ever happen because its happening already in the middle east.
WOW if it does work out like this then its going to be so way off track to what the common belief about the 3.5 years being globally regarding the mark of the beast like a computer chip or whatever and a world government ruled by the antichrist with world currency and world religion will be way off track .. And people will still be looking for that to happen when all along it might be the mark of Allah and again Locally to the middle east and not globally,,, I can see why so many people including the elect will miss it,. I cant stop thinking about this, im going to keep researching info and sharing it. 🙂
I will still keep an eye on the ENPI etc but the shift is definitely leaning towards the middle east at the moment.
Another video with JD Farag speaking in it..
Yes I agree that the current situation and the means of beheading is part of prophecy being fulfilled before our very eyes but to call the MARK as ISLAM is very dangerous and not only that , don’t you guys see the deception here? Let me point a few concurs.
1} The Islam insignia = Mark of Beast
2} Babylon is the ANCIENT city in Bagdad { as Rosenberg espouses as well }
3} The AC = Muslim
4} There is a 7 yr tribulation.
So that would mean that we don’t have to concern ourselves too much here about stuff cause hey Babylon needs to be RE-BUILT again! { Sorry couldn’t resist }
the image that daniel saw had the legs of iron and the ten toes of clay and iron mixed. i think the ac will come out of that “roman” part of the image–but it is noteworthy that there are two legs/two feet-is one east and one west?-a european and muslim blend? 2 facets to make one thing? this is merely rhetorical on my part-only questions i have because truly i don’t know (and who actually does right now?) so i am not adamant about anything. too much still in play to call it exactly…..fwiw…….just watching it all and loving the brethren for sticking their necks out (like joel rosenberg a brother in Christ) is doing-who recently took his family to reside in israel– http://www.joelrosenberg.com/endorsements/ –GOD loves HIS people everywhere/anywhere/whoever they are enough to warn and direct them without the sometimes too heavy handed approach of some discernment ministries and He will use anyone He chooses to get the warnings out to people that you and i (speaking in the broad sense-not personal) can never reach. i love that about God—He easily and readily goes out of our bounds 🙂
I agree there is still too much still in play to call it yet.. Both the EU/ENPI and the Levant/muslim AC are both valid theory’s , I cant dismiss either but currently from what is happening in the middle east compared what is happening in the EU.. (Which the Middle east was part of the original Roman Empire) I tend to be leaning towards a Muslim AC considering the stipulations the bible speaks about the end times sounds like Islam.
I cant rule both out but i cant dismiss either one yet.
Have to keep watching and see how far ISIL gets, if they reach Israel then things are not going to be good.
🙂
Whatever the mark of the beast is, do not take this image above on your hand or head. The mark of the beast has to be a choice for or against Jesus. It has to be something religious. By taking the mark you will deny Christ. By taking this mark of Allah to be able to buy and sell, you WILL deny Christ. This sounds much more plausible than a microchip.
I think it will be foolish to stuck one’s head in the sand in these times. The EU/ENP theory is still valid, but what is happening on Gods land (The real promised land, not only the small speck of land known today as Israel) fulfils prophecy.
Almost forgot, I did watch the videos and as I always say, eat the meat and spit out the bones. Most Christians still look for a 7 year tribulation, 7 year peace treaty, pre-trib rapture, etc. I don’t so I look past it and listen to the rest of the message. Do the same and let the Holy Spirit be your guide.
Yea Pastor JD did mention the 7 year tribulation and think he implied a pre trib rapture but i don’t agree with that point he made, the rest of the stuff he spoke about was very informative and very possible.
The Mark of Allah is definitely a very good chance of it being the mark of the beast
If ISIL do get to Israel looks like they have plenty of support already within Israel.
They do say this in the article: In July, IS told the Palestinian people it was “only a matter of time” before they reach Palestine to join the fight against “barbaric Jews”.
“And people will still be looking for that to happen when all along it might be the mark of Allah and again Locally to the middle east and not globally,,,”
Keep in mind the following truth from the Word;
Revelation 13:15-18
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark”
It will be impossible to miss this evil activity because they will try to force all people on the face of the earth to take the mark.
Hi Scott,
yea i agree and have always thought it will be a global system with probably a microchip or RFID implant or tattoo.
Take a look at that video i posted above, the one with the mark of Allah on it,
The guy in that one makes a good point.
Also its impossible to mark the entire planet and that bible verse doesn’t say globally,
It could mean people in the Levant but it could also mean global but doesn’t specify.
My point is as i said before ,, i think its worth watching that area as well. We all have been looking hard at the EU and Solana etc but not many have been looking at the “promised Land” and whats happening directly there until recently.
…..eat the meat and spit out the bones. Most Christians still look for a 7 year tribulation, 7 year peace treaty, pre-trib rapture, etc. I don’t so I look past it and listen to the rest of the message. Do the same and let the Holy Spirit be your guide.
wise words brother. thank you. love to all in Jesus’ Holy Name. — \ 0 /
This video goes for just over a hour and is valid and honestly what Walid Shoebat says seems to be close to prophecy considering the events currently in the middle east.
I have watched so so many videos about the EU and prophecy over the last 15 years on the internet and looking at the world events today this seems it could be correct.
I’m not new to this and as most of you know i have been posting here ever since this site opened up.
He speaks of the EU theory compared to the Muslim AC theory and the mark of the beast etc and what he says i cant dismiss. I wont say 100% on any theory yet but i cant dismiss the theory either.
All i ask is have a look at the video and come to a conclusion.
Point 1: 03 : 15 – 1:05; 58 of this clip convinces me that there are wolves among us that use the very same tactic all under the name if Jesus. God help us!
The days are evil and who among us shall stand!
Peter, I’m sorry but I have to disagree with you on the Muslim AC theory and dunno if I’m seeing things but he flashed a horn symbol! round about the 1:00 point. Yikes!
Something just does not sit right with me so it’s time to hit the knees 🙂
I pray that other’s will join me in exposing this as another distraction and diabolical deception.
I pretty much never link to videos – but this video series has really opened my eyes to more connections in scripture than I’d ever imaginged. I’m only 2 videos into the four part series – but these Jewish men who have come to faith in Christ and become respected bible scholars shed light on the seasons and festivals appointed in scripture like I had never noticed before.
https://dod.org/dod2352.html
“THE APPOINTED TIMES: JESUS IN THE FEASTS OF ISRAEL, PART I – REST, REMEMBRANCE, & RENEWAL”
I love this groups videos- many good expositions of scripture from solid bible teachers walking in the places where the scriptures were written/took place. I have it as a channel on the Roku I keep in our bedroom that has calmed my restless heart and put my focus back on the Lord as I drift off to sleep.
amen Rob,…focus is back on the Lord! ,…can’t wait to check out the link. //// also am eager to see the walid shoebat video Peter. Jesus is the solid Rock. He brings the blurr into focus*. Would love to know what Nkosazana is thinking as well???? ///Blessings to all,….GOD IS GOOD!
its hard to argue w/ walid shoebat, as far as i can see…..perhaps i need help seeing.[?] //// and the RBC video on the messiah in the feasts of the Lord, well hey, this is purely beautiful and wonderful! The King of kings will return according to the Fathers schedule and His order of all things!!! We have something BIG to look forward to! Horizons, lovers leap,….supper’s ready*……..New Jerusalem!……………Eternity, and the riches of His Glory. [ eye has not seen,…] keep the faith, Keep the Faith, KEEP THE FAITH, ………endure all things and be of good cheer,….like Peter says, ” Cheers “
I watched that video 3 times, taken notes and looked at verses and as far as i can see i cant dismiss it.
There is 2 major theory’s the Western Roman empire (EU) and the Eastern Roman Empire (middle East) As i said before both are valid but its better to at least know both views, If the eastern one is right and western one is wrong or other way around then we wont miss the events we are told to watch out for, i still think its good as we are watching and looking for the signs.
Couple of points i want to make 🙂
1. Who beheads Christians?,, Rome (Italians) or Muslims? I cant see the EU chopping of peoples heads.
2. Revelation 13 and 17 woman riding on beast with 7 heads: 5 have fallen one is and the other is yet to come Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, middle Persia, Grecian, Rome/Byzantine empire, ottoman empire (7th kingdom) which is also the last.. 7th kingdom was wounded and heals to rise again. Ottoman empire is reviving.
3. Every nation the bible speaks of end times are Muslim now.
Ezekiel 30:3,4,5 day of the lord where in 4 and 5 he fights against Muslim countries (Lydia = turkey), Libya (north Africa), Turkia
Isaiah 63 Jesus fights the eagle (Edom), Ezekiel 25 Edom is Yemen to Arabia
Joel 3 messiah is on earth fighting surrounding nations (Muslim) (tyre) Lebanon,, Philistia (Gaza)
The burden against Arabia (Isaiah 21 – Burdens Against Babylon, Edom and Arabia).
Ezekiel 37-39 Damascus gets destroyed
Obadiah 1:1, 8 gods judgement of Edom
Isiah 21 Babylon is fallen (burden against Arabia called Dumatha) ,, And in Revelation mystery Babylon is fallen
Psalm 81,82,83 (sidon is a city in Lebanon) (Migdol and Aswan are cities in Egypt)
Again all are Muslim Nations.
4. Islam is 1 religion, 1 language (arabic), 1 government (sharia law)
5. Rome in mentioned 16 times in the bible but not 1 mention of destruction.
6. Muslims will be identified from non-Muslims:
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Could be that the mark of the beast Is a creed of the antichrist or a declaration of Islamic faith.
Identified by a headband (Islamic sahaba) or a ring or band on the right hand, or henna tattoo on hand or forehead which Muslims have used for hundreds of years.
Muslims are already wearing the mark of Allah in these forms.. All they need to do is make it compulsory and necessary to buy and sell.
From the prophecies examined in the Book of Ezekiel, we saw that Turkey was significantly emphasized. Of the eight locations that were specified in the Gog Prophecy of Ezekiel 38, five were located firmly within Turkey. Magog, Meshech, Tubal, Togormah, and Gomer are all areas that were within the boundaries of modern Turkey, Again Ottoman empire with Turkey leading the charge and another Muslim nation.
From Revelation 17, we concluded that the Islamic Empire, culminating in the Turkish Ottoman Empire, was the seventh Biblical Beast Empire. The capital of the Ottoman Empire was Istanbul, formerly Constantinople, the capital of the Eastern Roman Byzantine Empire. Today, Istanbul sits on the northwestern corner of Turkey. The reason that the location of the capitals of the last beast empire may be important is because as the head of the last beast empire, it is possible that it will receive the ‘fatal head wound’ that will come back and awe the world: ‘One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast’ (Revelation 13:3).
Zechariah 9 clearly lists Yavan/Ionia (Turkey) as the primary player in the Last-Days attack against Israel.
One of the main reasons Westerners believe that the Antichrist is western, is that he must have a powerful military force, and only Western nations meet this requirement. Yet, few in the West are aware of the fact that Turkey has one of the largest and most powerful military’s in the world. Among the 26 NATO member nations, Turkey has the second largest army, second only to the United States. 11 Turkey’s army far supersedes the military’s of Germany, Spain, Italy and England combined.
Add the other Muslim nations and its a mighty army.
Jesus will come back to save the world from Islam basically by the looks of it. And he will also have the west fighting with him as the west will already be fighting them when Jesus returns. They said on the news today this ISIL battle could go for decades meaning its not going away and they want Israel and will get it, Then either rebuild the temple next to the dome of the rock on the temple mount and put up the Islamic crescent moon on top of it causing the abomination of desolation or might just use their existing ones. Many Muslims want the temple rebuilt,
the main thing is the watching and trusting the Holy Spirit to lead us and interpret for us the events on our radar screen amen? i do not want to be dismissive about your post peter in case there is something there intended for us but i pray for the Spirit of God to highlight what those things are so thanks for the input and we’ll see what comes about. the way things are happening in the world it won’t be long and then we’ll all know—then we will all be right 😉 because God can’t get it wrong……
You said ” Couple of points i want to make 🙂
1. Who beheads Christians?,, Rome (Italians) or Muslims? I cant see the EU chopping of peoples heads.”
Are you saying that ONLY Christians are beheaded?
We do agree that this is a ancient practice in many cultures correct?
Please don’t misunderstand me. I’m NOT saying that this is not the ” means” that the AC will use to fulfil Rev 13 .
Let’s stick to the NATURE of the AC and what the Word describes him to be.
Dan 11
37 Neither shall ……..>>>>>>>>he regard the God of his fathers<<<<<<<<<<<……., nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Whooaaa Tony I just took a quick peek { 35 seconds long} and will watch later tonight as time permits.
Hey btw I just love how the Lord is conforming and maturing you in Him. It shows 🙂
Guys this is not a tit for tat to see who is right and who is wrong and pray that it won’t be seen as such , but God has given some the gift of discernment as a PROTECTION and a GIFT to the body of Christ for this very reason!
Christ said these days would be filled with deception.I for one refuse to let my guard down 🙂
honestly i have been wary of shoebat before but thought i would give the clip a look that peter posted thinking maybe i was not being fair-minded. well i have not had that chance yet and maybe now i don’t even want to. perhaps the first reservation i had was my tip off…
Guys, I’m also not a big Shoebat “fan”, but will it not be better to discus the message and not the messenger? He has got valid arguments in the video that he proofs with Scripture. It will be great to proof it wrong with Scripture. Anyone up for the challenge?
Russia is flexing its influence in the middle east. They may be willing to put large numbers of boots on the ground where the US president is unwilling. These “boots on the ground” would end up very close to Israel’s northern border – and would ensure that the Syrian conflict ramped in a huge way. As the “moderate” Islamic influence in the region and another significant military presence, I believe it would also bring them into close cooperation with Turkey who has a vested interest in ending the conflict- and a lot to gain as a leader among muslims if it can put down the extreme factions within IS and broker peace with Russia, Iran and the west.
More rumblings of Ezekiel 38 I’d say. I’m not really buying into all the muslim antichrist theories that Shoebat and others are pitching – they are definitely antichrist, but I don’t think any muslim caliph or 12th imam or Al Mahdi is going to get the rest of the world in line with his established kingdom. I still think the rise of Islam is a satanic effort to stir up chaos that will give rise to a worldly, false savior.
“I’m not really buying into all the muslim antichrist theories that Shoebat and others are pitching – they are definitely antichrist, but I don’t think any muslim caliph or 12th imam or Al Mahdi is going to get the rest of the world in line with his established kingdom. I still think the rise of Islam is a satanic effort to stir up chaos that will give rise to a worldly, false saviour.”
Exactly! A diabolical planned distraction. Satan loves to DIVERT and DISTRACT. How genius of him . Hey it’s working!
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now…….>>>>> are there many antichrists; <<<<<<<<<……..whereby we know that it is the last time.
I've been seeking the Lord on the meaning of " many anti christ's" and this INCLUDES every single person and religion that DENIES that Jesus Christ { who is God } who CAME IN THE FLESH.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Let's see how NIV put's it!
1 John 4:3-9New International Version (NIV)
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
Yup WHO is able to make WAR against this beast huh?
We're in some pretty serious deceptive times and I for one am refusing to be pulled into the sea of acceptability and the pull of the crowd 🙂
i know that what i said before i still mean. that was what i meant in not wanting to be unnecessarily dismissive because it is the message not the messenger we are to listen to…and have used this rule in other instances for learning about the Bible in harder to understand passages-however i do feel that the things that have made me wary need to be taken into account-at least in this instance because first i don’t believe the Bible supports the idea of a muslim anti-christ (and certainly agree that it is an anti-christ spirit that drives their actions of terror and takeover). do i think it possible that there is a muslim component to this issue?–in a word yes–but this all needs clarification so unless you fellas with more understanding than i currently have see a biblical support for this i’ll just pass for now on shoebat. i’m open but i want to hear the go-ahead from the Lord before i venture too far with any theory. and right now some things are still in the realm of theory–not yet but soon about to be proven or disproven as–fact ***because God is keeping His Word and we know that is true! i do not stress over this but i don’t want to rush in either because i believe this is all a revealing–part by part bit by bit an unfolding that seems to be going on now almost daily. i love to fast-forward to this heart and mind—————come quickly Lord Jesus–and let Him get me through this in-between (hopefully taking a few more Home with me 🙂 ) i know others here are on board with that too.
lean not on your own understanding,….be not anxious,……take no thought for tomorrow,….be not deceived…..>>>>>>>>come to Jesus,…….fear not,…..He has plans of His own. Be still,…and know,……that He Alone is GOD,..cast all your concerns upon Him and enter into His rest. Abide in Him with the peace that surpasses all understanding. LOOK UP!* love n blessen’s to you all, in Christ our Savior, amen.
E N D U R E …. stick with the simplicity of the gospel of truth,…for now we see thru glass darkly…..keep the vision….keep the faith. Jesus loves the little children, He will keep us,…. He has given us His Word*
where it that little thumbs up thing when ya need it ? thanks tony. sticking with the simplicity of that Holy and Beautiful, True and Powerful, Sin-Forgiving and Life-Changing, Eternal Life Gospel. everything taken care of by the One Who gave us that…
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Funny how the Lord drops things into our lap when we’re not even looking for it yet begging Him to bring forth His truth.
I watched this clip for the second time yesterday and almost missed the point the first time around. I had to stop @ the 1:00 point to finally get it! Especially @ the 107:37 point 🙂
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BTW I had no idea of this before this clip was posted and did have a red flag in my spirit about the 119 ministries when it was prompted @ the board we all met at ! Now I understand!
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Funny how the Lord drops things into our lap when we’re not even looking for it yet begging Him to bring forth His truth.
I watched this clip for the second time yesterday and almost missed the point the first time around. I had to stop @ the 1:00 point to finally get it! Especially @ the 107:37 point 🙂
* See above
BTW I had no idea of this before this clip was posted and did have a red flag in my spirit about the 119 ministries when it was prompted @ the board we all met at ! Now I understand!
Friends, I have asked that we discuss the message and not the messenger. If God could use a donkey to prophecy, he can use anyone. If you do not agree with the messengers views, discuss it with Scripture. Leave the messenger unless you can proof that he is a Christ rejecting wolf. We all have skeletons in our closets. Without Christ I am not qualified to even have this blog!! If you do a Google search on most people you will find something bad on them. That does not proof much. Must I tell you about my Christ forsaken past so that it may be hold against me in the future? And make peace with it that we all are learning from the Lord and we all may be wrong.
Friends, make peace with it, there is going to be pre-tribbers, post-tribbers, pre-wrath, ENP followers, Muslim AC followers, Pope AC followers, Obama AC followers and whatever you still can think of followers in Heaven. Your eschatology views will never separate a true born again believer from the Lord.
Also know that eschatology is not a salvation issue. Well known Christians like Paul Washer and Ray Comfort will not even touch the topic in public because of all the fighting between the different factions.
Friends, keep this place civilised and make peace with it that we will disagree on some points. From now on I will be more strict in the comments. This place on the web will be to glorify Christ and not your own views. And that counts for me also.
Rob and my email addresses is at the top right of this page if you need to privately discuss this.
Back to topic, in the video by Walid Shoebat he makes an excellent point. l have been conditioned to the idea that the kings of the east in Rev 16:12 is China. What biblical grounds do we have for this ? What countries lies east of the Euphrates? Any world map will tell you it is not China. And China is a king, not kings….. Why the plural kings?
Boet this is your board and I respect that. I will refrain from posting any more links concerning this issue and will retreat into my prayer closet with the command of ” Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
I can’t say I’m sorry because then that would be a lie but if the Holy Spirit convicts me well then I will be right back 🙂
This video explains how the mark could be the mark of Allah. People will willingly take the mark and we know the mark is a symbol of worship from what the bible says.. forced or not forced its still a symbol regarding religion. Remember i always thought i would be a chip implant or tattoo with RFID>. But I have to consider other options.
Notice the difference between the different bibles? Some say ON and some say IN their right hand. That is how people get confused as well depending on what bible they have. 1 Word can make a big difference. 🙂 So both could be right its ON or IN Wearing a mark or tattoo compared to having a chip implant in your arm or forehead.
Revelation 13:16
King James Bible
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
English Standard Version
Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,
well it worked for me a bit ago. 😦 go to project syndicate site and look for that title if interested. (grave new world by solana sept 25,2014) he writes articles for this site as one of their columnists
Quote, “What’s really interesting is, one in his delusion has created his own utopia , so nothing and no one can convince him of anything, it’s his own self imbued [and dysfunctional] perfectionism, that no one but him can attain,and no one is worthy of but him,
talk about deitizing oneself!”
Categorically the principle of the aposotized church, the delusion and satan and his sole purpose and agenda, period!
Vic, that response of yours was quite ‘ grounded in Christ ‘,…….and wonderful! Good for you and all together good for me…let me tell ya, i am blessed greatly by the words you chose.
UNSEALED PROPHECY 
Vic I don’t have the time to go through this clip but will do so as time permits.Had a few min spare and I agree 100% that we are IN the strong delusion . I say that in fear and trembling as I see how evil around me is even more depraved in their minds than ever. Their LIES have BECOME their truth as a lying spirit has taken over in every facet of their lives. This means only one thing- D E A T H !Disobedience ALWAYS causes that! Period!
I would love to share how the Lord led me to that in my quite time yesterday and the EXAMPLES of those in the Word.Powerful understanding!Love how the Lord teaches ! just love it!
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Just ignore the pre-trib comments and the preacher calling David Cameron Tony Blair. The rest is very much worth the watch. The delusion is scary.
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I feel such pain when I hear what he is saying. My sister absolutely believes everything the Government says. She is like a stone wall, there is no middle ground. When I hear her talk, inside I am shaking my head. I can’t believe what she believes! Ugh! The things last day events are starting to hit home.
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IT is a really good video.. I think there is a few points to consider looking outside the box here.
1. Will the Antichrist rise from Islam?
2. Will the EU come and save Israel when they are about to be taken over? With the AC coming from the EU like most of us here always had view he would be.
3. Will the mark of the beast be the mark of Allah like we saw in a video on Facebook? Or will the mark be a RFID type device?
4. Will the mark of the beast be world wide or more locally to that area? as it is almost impossible to mark the entire planet in 3.5 years or maybe less depending on when it is forced after the mid point of the 7 year covenant.
5. the beheading the bible talks about is it Islam that does it? It seems right on that point as no other religion or country beheads people.
6. I cant see ISIL making a 7 year peace deal with Israel and many nations due to how radical they are and aren’t a state to make a deal.
7. Will the destruction of Damascus happen before Ezekiel 38 as the video thinks it might? And will the USA drop bombs onto Syria which will also Bring Russia and Iran into the fight causing the Gog Magog war?
There is so many ifs and buts and maybe this maybe that. I do know that it looks like Prophecy is really happening but its hard to pinpoint the facts as to where the AC will arise from and who he will lead. If he deceives the whole world i can see that happening more from a western leader like from the EU rather than Islam due to how the world currently views that religion. But again Satan is the master of deception so who knows..
Gotta keep watching this one and see how it turns out.. So far not good but who knows.
Cheers
Peter.
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My question to the pastor is if he is willing to ask himself the very same question he posed to his audience.
“Are you ready?,,,,, to face the tribulation Pastor brother? I mean to face the horror of what’s coming RATHER than place your hope in a quick exit?
Sorry, I don’t mean to offend but how does one watch this without weeping for those that try and pin the STRONG DELUSION on Islam but seem to be under another blindness themselves ? I say that in much agape love and concern.
Peter you’ve made some pretty good points and maybe we can exhaust each one of those. I would also like to share the verses the Lord led me on how when one CHOOSES to DISOBEY the Word of the Lord he is given over to death. Spiritual as well as physical. God also sends a LYING spirit when disobedience is NOT repented of.Will do so as time avails.
Peter I was reflecting on how Saul was disobedient to the Lord { God sent him a lying spirit soon afterwards} and how Samuel ” HEWD ” the king of the Amalekites in pieces.
How is one “hewn”?
1 Samuel 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Samuel also said unto Saul, The Lord sent me to anoint thee to be king over his people, over Israel: now therefore hearken thou unto the voice of the words of the Lord.
2 Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.
5 And Saul came to a city of Amalek, and laid wait in the valley.
6 And Saul said unto the Kenites, Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites.
7 And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt.
8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.
10 Then came the word of the Lord unto Samuel, saying,
11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night.
12 And when Samuel rose early to meet Saul in the morning, it was told Samuel, saying, Saul came to Carmel, and, behold, he set him up a place, and is gone about, and passed on, and gone down to Gilgal.
13 And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of the Lord: I have performed the commandment of the Lord.
14 And Samuel said, What meaneth then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?
15 And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.
16 Then Samuel said unto Saul, Stay, and I will tell thee what the Lord hath said to me this night. And he said unto him, Say on.
17 And Samuel said, When thou wast little in thine own sight, wast thou not made the head of the tribes of Israel, and the Lord anointed thee king over Israel?
18 And the Lord sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.
19 Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of the Lord, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of the Lord?
20 And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the Lord, and have gone the way which the Lord sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.
21 But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in Gilgal.
22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
24 And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the Lord, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.
25 Now therefore, I pray thee, pardon my sin, and turn again with me, that I may worship the Lord.
26 And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, and the Lord hath rejected thee from being king over Israel.
27 And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent.
28 And Samuel said unto him, The Lord hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou.
29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent.
30 Then he said, I have sinned: yet honour me now, I pray thee, before the elders of my people, and before Israel, and turn again with me, that I may worship the Lord thy God.
31 So Samuel turned again after Saul; and Saul worshipped the Lord.
32 Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.
33 And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the Lord in Gilgal.
34 Then Samuel went to Ramah; and Saul went up to his house to Gibeah of Saul.
35 And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.
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Very good points you are making Peter. If I may let me give my 2c worth on them:
1) Maybe or maybe not. But I am sure that the beheading of the AC rule will be from Islam.
2) Depends on number 1.
3) Lately I am of the opinion that the MOB will not be a technological RFID chip. A permanent tattoo on your head or hand will be sufficient to show if you have submitted to Islam. No tattoo, no buying and selling and no head.
4) I think the MOB will be more localized. It will not be possible to mark a few billion people in 3.5 years.
5) Yes, beheading is Islam.
6) ISIS will never make peace with anyone. But then again, I fail to see a 7 year peace treaty in the Bible.
7) We have to wait and see.
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Quote, ” Elitism and arrogance are the halklmarks of deception, self deception is the fulfillment of elitism and arrogance, whereim ome believes they are God!”
Powerful post HISOWN!
Be blessed
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There is NO 7 year peace treaty people! That’s all part of the distraction in this time of the strong delusion.
Seriously hold me down! LOL!
Self deception is the ” I WILL” of Lucifer’s ARROGANCE yes! That’s why God HATES pride and people who want to do it THEIR way and on THEIR terms!
Am I yelling again? Sorry!
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Ooops sorry about the typos, that was supposed read:
“Elitism and arrogance are the hallmarks of deception, self deception is the fulfillment of elitism and arrogance, wherein one believes they are God!”
HISOWN, yelling is good, sometimes that is the only way one will be heard! Shout it from the rooftops!
Be blessed
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I also can’t find a seven year peace treaty, nor can I find a seven year tribulation. Its amazing how people don’t look any further then what they have been told. I find it very scary what’s going on in the world and isis..and true..beheading is islam..but i keep the EU in mind
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First they take Damascus, not Jerusalem.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/first-they-take-damascus-not-jerusalem/
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Dankie Boet Mathieu ! Sjoe!
Great to see you posting again 🙂
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-nigeria-schoolgirls/while-world-watches-isis-boko-haram-declares-its-own-caliphate-n202556
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When i mentioned the 7 year covenant i was referring to this verse:
Daniel 9:27King James Version (KJV)
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
A week is 7 years which is also the 70th week or 7×70 = 490 years of Daniel’s prophecies.
That covenant restarts the 70 weeks at the 69th week which is the last week.
The 7 weeks – This 49 year period is the time where the ‘commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem’ was given. It would take 49 years to accomplish this, and it began in 445 BC.
The 62 weeks – From the end point on the rebuilding of the walls, until Messiah was to be revealed, it would be 62 weeks, or 434 years.
The last week – This 7 year period is yet future because God stopped the timeclock when Israel rejected the Messiah and He went to the cross.
Thats from what i understand, what are your views?
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Hi Peter
The problem is not with the 7 year covenant, but with the peace treaty. There is no indication what this confirmed covenant will be. There is a huge assumption in the Church that it will be a peace treaty, but will it?
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Hi Vic,
Thanks for verifying that.. I see your point, didn’t look at it that way.
So you reckon it might be a cease fire or some sort of agreement like a land deal maybe? That its broken in the mid point?
So many churches out there say.. Rapture then Tribulation then great tribulation which they say is peace treaty.
Or mid trib or post trib and peace treaty. When know the bible doesn’t say tribulation.
But a 7 year tribulation doesn’t make sense if there is an agreement that is broken half way.. that looks to me that either way the first half is not a tribulation, it sounds like its just a normal agreement.
The way some churches talk about Tribulation they make it sound its going to be like the movie 2012.
I looked up the meaning of it:
trib·u·la·tion (trby-lshn)
1. Great affliction, trial, or distress; suffering: Their tribulation has finally passed. See Synonyms at trial.
2. An experience that tests one’s endurance, patience, or faith. See Synonyms at burden1.
[Middle English tribulacioun, from Old French tribulacion, from Latin trbulti, trbultin-, from trbultus, past participle of trbulre, to oppress, from Latin trbulum, threshing-sledge; see ter-1 in Indo-European roots.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
tribulation (ˌtrɪbjʊˈleɪʃən)
1. a cause of distress
2. a state of suffering or distress
[C13: from Old French, from Church Latin trībulātiō, from Latin trībulāre to afflict, from trībulum a threshing board, from terere to rub]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
trib•u•la•tion (ˌtrɪb yəˈleɪ ʃən)
1. grievous trouble; severe trial or suffering.
2. an instance of this; an affliction, trouble, or woe.
Every time we all talk here we all learn a little more, its awesome.
Thanks 🙂
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Peter, to be honest, I have theories on the 7 year covenant, but it may be wrong.
My first theory is (depending on what the future holds) the 7 year ENPi that is confirmed in the 2014 ENP.
My second theory is that Jesus fulfilled the first half (3.5 years) in His earthly ministry and that there is officially only 3.5 years left. Therefore the AoD is not the mid point of the tribulation but the start of the 3.5 year tribulation. Jesus confirmed in Matt 24 from verse 15 that tribulation will start when we see the AoD.
I hope this comment makes sense.
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i do not think of people who are not seeing it (as i have come to believe) as deceived per say (but more mis-guided) for believing about the 7 year tribulation still outstanding with the rapture proceeding–because i think it quite clear that Scripture much better supports what you stated vic. (i believe that the global deep deception is more about following another “jesus” -falling away from the real Jesus-and there are so many tares in amongst the wheat it is appalling-so it is those who will not pick up the real cues about where things are on the prophectic timeclock about ac and his mark-besides what and how they are truly wrong about the Real Gospel and caught in their unbelief-which in so many is only a mental ascent and no true conversion from sin and self-righteousness. i have hope for those who are the true “wheat” though and watching-but not able to see it just yet-who do have the Holy Spirit who will bring them up to speed just like i know He will do/is doing for me as needed as i don’t entirely see the whole picture yet either) so i believe your words vic to be very well said. i believe we have been seeing layers of fulfillment-7’s that have even come and gone but there is hanging in the balance that 3.5 years that will commence (soon i think!) when jerusalem is surrounded by armies as in matthew and luke what Jesus Himself told us to look for. the world at large now basically and fundamentally has formed a consensus (like the global march to jerusalem a little ways back for instance) that has furthered that agenda adding to the political climate we now have-that makes israel the troubler of the whole world-those responsible for no lasting peace-(al-qaeda arab spring and isis and isl as examples are not at all blamed-isn’t that nuts?) which the so-called peace keepers will soon (not later!) be doing by force as they surround jerusalem. in this present time of stronger and stronger birth pangs coming upon the world the clarity is coming 🙂 to all these things and those who truly love Christ’s appearing will come together as His church in the darkest hour the world has ever known-the 2nd half-called the great tribulation. i believe a really really big “shoe is fixin’ to drop”…..2015 i think will be epic for this. just airing out my head folks and welcome any comments for helping me better understand. love to all in the Blessed Name above all names—JESUS the LORD!
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So true Andre’. The great deception is following a false Jesus/Gospel and/or believe Islam is a religion of peace. And AMEN to the rest of your comment. Agreed.
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andrea, i couldn’t agree more – that they are not ‘deceived’, but at most, misguided. Well said. thls thing about ‘be not deceived is about ,’ many will come in my name!’,….Imposters,…………….IMPOSTER!, this false savior who will speak the same lie as the serpent in the garden when he tells the people of the world that we are evolving into godhood. the lie is in connection with Evolution…………….evolution=the longest lie…………., from genesis to revelation. Henry Morris wrote a book called,” Evolution; the longest lie.”
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Okay so if I may jump in here for a sec as Tony brought up a very good point that begs this question then.
Why would Christ say to { those that PROFESS to KNOW Him } ———>>>
” I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
These people weren’t USING the name of Allah or some other false god BUT Jesus right!
Could one not be DECEIVED by another ” jesus, another gospel and another spirit “?
I fear so more now than ever yes!
It’s in the fruit people!
I KNOW many who say they KNOW Jesus, but are they KNOWN of Him. That’s the crucial question that needs to be posed here as the day’s grow more deceptive . We need to guard our hearts even more so than ever.
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
There is another jesus masquerading all around us and was led to that again today in my quiet time.
Who are these two false gods in today’s culture?
Judges 2:13 And they forsook the Lord, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.
Not to open a huge debate on the paganism all around us but let’s call it what it is-
IDOLATRY!
God is a jealous God and He will have NO other god’s before Him. Maybe the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
He has me!
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Agreed Sus. False Jesus and false Gospel will deceive many.
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Thanks Vic, your understanding of prophecy is awesome and i agree with what you said, I think you are on the right track with the 3.5 years left rather than 7 being Jesus ministry was the first 3.5
I still think the ENPI is definitely worth watching as well, we all have put alot of thought into that theory over the years and it also is still a valid one.
Its going to be a very interesting time ahead, Here is a fact i saw on the news tonight: ISIL has taken over as much land as the size of great Britain.
I know the west is trying to hold them back but i don’t think its as easy as they think it will be.
Andre’, Tony and Hisown thanks also for your replies, Its encouraging to get some honest feedback and your opinions are a blessing.
Were all doing what Jesus wants us to do and that is keep watching for signs of his return, Don’t want to be “sleeping” as they say.
Matthew 24:37-39King James Version (KJV)
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Cheers.
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I love that we’re coming to the unity of the faith as the Lord promised we would ! Just love it!
Peter you said “I think you are on the right track with the 3.5 years left rather than 7 being Jesus ministry was the first 3.5″
EXACTLY 🙂
Back in 2006 right up until 2010 most of still adhered to a 7 yr trib and when we reached the ” midst ” of the ENP many fell away and were hugely disappointed that it just fizzled out. Some of us used that time to rethink the whole theory and went back to the drawing board with a CLEAN slate. It was a comment that a dear sister in Christ made on FP ( Nony} that caused many of us to dig deeper. It did me 🙂
If I may quote her { Nony if you’re reading this I miss you tremendously and am so grateful for your moderation @ FP and miss seeing you there! }
“The Geneva Bible, also known as the “Pilgrim’s” Bible, has footnotes that hold that Christ fulfilled the 1st half of Daniel’s 70th week, with His 3 1/2 year ministry”
To save time here is a copy/paste from e-mail discussion with Vic and Scott in 2010 🙂
Christ put a END to sin by His ULTIMATE sacrifice on the cross and for the remission of our sins!
“This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many…” (Matthew 26:28)
Christ Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant.
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel. Heb 12 :24
For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. -Rom 11:27
This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:16
We are the Temple – Naos- 1 Peter 2 : 5 –
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are 1 Cor 3 : 17
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Cor 6: 19
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: Eph 2 : 21
Does the 42 month tribulation period kick off when Jerusalem is surrounded. The Jews flee – this ? – http://www.presstv.ir/detail/157971.html ( Scripture confirmaiton in Dec ‘ 07 ? – ) I will send the – Mark 13 : 14 , Luke 21 : 20 appointed- time scripture confirmations e-mail to *****
Satan inhabits the man of sin- ( after he is cast out – once and for all – ) ( he still has access to the throne- accusing us daily )- And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. -Job 1
Till no more place found for him- see his arrogance – in Isaiah 14 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: ( he is sititng on the throne in the apostate church already and has deceived them as he did when he caused the sons of God to rebel against the Lord.)
*There will be the the trampling of Jerusalem for 42 months.
*The protection of the Jews in the desert from Satan for 1260 days.
*The beast ruling / making war with the saints for the 42 month period.
*Christ’s second VISIBLE return and the setting up of His 1000 yr earthy reign.
*Satan bound for that period. Let loose for a little while to test the nations once again. –
*And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
*Judgment – And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
*And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
*New heaven and new earth.- And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
*Eternity.
None of us are ” preterist” in our eschatology thinking or that we adhere to the amillennialism or postmillennialism view…..:)
Time to hit the knees.
Love ya guys!
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the “tares” among the “wheat” get the Gospel wrong (and no doubt prophecy too)! they are busy alright but not in the Lord’s true service–it is self-service they are doing and they are deceived. (they swallow false doctrine and some of it may be right doctrine in most of the main things but…in compromise these coddle the Lord’s enemies-many reside on the “borderlands” and some openly snuggle up in enemy camps). since they only have the profession of the Lord but are not possessed of the Lord He will tell them I never knew you. big difference between professing the Lord and possessing the Lord amen? (praise the Lord greater is HE that is in me than he that is in the world!!!) and God knows their hearts…and i do not-none of us for sure knows all of that. some of these imposters are very obvious already and some are not–God does not give us a full-time job of fruit inspection but does reveal things-people-that we are to be guarded and wary of thank You Jesus again! some “fruit” will show up as not fruit at all—-*but for now the Lord lets the wheat and the tares grow together in the same fields*—-and His reapers for sure know the difference 😉 ) as we get closer and closer to Jesus return i believe the Lord will reveal more and more of these for us to run from. judas was not outted as an imposter until the zero hour but Jesus knew all along one was not truly His. that is why the ac will be revealed–God uses the timing to His advantage–not really known until zero hour. so some people on the fence right now (in the valley of decision–under conviction) will run to the Lord and be saved when the wheels come totally off…but sadly most will not! meanwhile we have a great commission and call upon us from Jesus Himself just before He ascended and that is what the wheat proves itself doing—obeying the call and command Jesus–go! it is love for and in the brethren that the world will know we belong to Jesus and love obeys and love goes where the Master sends it-and pray to the LORD of the Harvest! that is really our full-time job-bearing the light-the Lord Jesus revealed-manifested in us! (to reveal His Son in me that i might preach Him among the heathen…gal 1:16 –such was i before Christ–for ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God! col 3:3) so…….we bear witness before the tares too……and…….God will sort them for us 🙂 . be blessed today by your Possessor-Jesus knows us each and every one by name — \ 0 /
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Hi all,
check this video out , its about the mark of the beast being localized in the area known as the promised land. Pretty much what we have been discussing. You know this whole islamic movement might really be the end times one that brings back Jesus, The closer they get to Israel the more and more it really starts to make me feel like it is.
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Another point i want to make,, Doesn’t the antichrist set himself up in Babylon? And ISIL is Islamic state Iraq Levant..
Babylon is Iraq.
Isaiah 13:19-22King James Version (KJV)
19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees’ excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.
So by the looks of it Babylon would be the capital city of the Antichrist . It would be both a political and economic capital. According to both Zechariah 5 as well as Revelation 18, his religious capital will be Jerusalem where he will set up his image in the Jewish Temple. But Iraq will be where he sets himself up to rule.
Its falling into place and so many people are going to just miss the whole thing and before they know it Jesus will return like in the days of Noah.
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Meaning the days of Noah where no one will be ready.. we know he will suddenly come back. Most of the christian world will be waiting for events that wont ever happen because its happening already in the middle east.
WOW if it does work out like this then its going to be so way off track to what the common belief about the 3.5 years being globally regarding the mark of the beast like a computer chip or whatever and a world government ruled by the antichrist with world currency and world religion will be way off track .. And people will still be looking for that to happen when all along it might be the mark of Allah and again Locally to the middle east and not globally,,, I can see why so many people including the elect will miss it,. I cant stop thinking about this, im going to keep researching info and sharing it. 🙂
I will still keep an eye on the ENPI etc but the shift is definitely leaning towards the middle east at the moment.
Another video with JD Farag speaking in it..
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Will watch this tomorrow.
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I can hardly bare to even watch it sorry Peter !
Yes I agree that the current situation and the means of beheading is part of prophecy being fulfilled before our very eyes but to call the MARK as ISLAM is very dangerous and not only that , don’t you guys see the deception here? Let me point a few concurs.
1} The Islam insignia = Mark of Beast
2} Babylon is the ANCIENT city in Bagdad { as Rosenberg espouses as well }
3} The AC = Muslim
4} There is a 7 yr tribulation.
So that would mean that we don’t have to concern ourselves too much here about stuff cause hey Babylon needs to be RE-BUILT again! { Sorry couldn’t resist }
Found this read very interesting
http://ephesians511blog.org/june-6–2013.html
Joel Rosenberg stated he has been working on ISIS book for “last several years” when ISIS was declared in April 2013, was this a ‘slip’?
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the image that daniel saw had the legs of iron and the ten toes of clay and iron mixed. i think the ac will come out of that “roman” part of the image–but it is noteworthy that there are two legs/two feet-is one east and one west?-a european and muslim blend? 2 facets to make one thing? this is merely rhetorical on my part-only questions i have because truly i don’t know (and who actually does right now?) so i am not adamant about anything. too much still in play to call it exactly…..fwiw…….just watching it all and loving the brethren for sticking their necks out (like joel rosenberg a brother in Christ) is doing-who recently took his family to reside in israel– http://www.joelrosenberg.com/endorsements/ –GOD loves HIS people everywhere/anywhere/whoever they are enough to warn and direct them without the sometimes too heavy handed approach of some discernment ministries and He will use anyone He chooses to get the warnings out to people that you and i (speaking in the broad sense-not personal) can never reach. i love that about God—He easily and readily goes out of our bounds 🙂
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I agree there is still too much still in play to call it yet.. Both the EU/ENPI and the Levant/muslim AC are both valid theory’s , I cant dismiss either but currently from what is happening in the middle east compared what is happening in the EU.. (Which the Middle east was part of the original Roman Empire) I tend to be leaning towards a Muslim AC considering the stipulations the bible speaks about the end times sounds like Islam.
I cant rule both out but i cant dismiss either one yet.
Have to keep watching and see how far ISIL gets, if they reach Israel then things are not going to be good.
🙂
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Whatever the mark of the beast is, do not take this image above on your hand or head. The mark of the beast has to be a choice for or against Jesus. It has to be something religious. By taking the mark you will deny Christ. By taking this mark of Allah to be able to buy and sell, you WILL deny Christ. This sounds much more plausible than a microchip.
I think it will be foolish to stuck one’s head in the sand in these times. The EU/ENP theory is still valid, but what is happening on Gods land (The real promised land, not only the small speck of land known today as Israel) fulfils prophecy.
ISIS is nearing Israel. Read about it HERE.
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Almost forgot, I did watch the videos and as I always say, eat the meat and spit out the bones. Most Christians still look for a 7 year tribulation, 7 year peace treaty, pre-trib rapture, etc. I don’t so I look past it and listen to the rest of the message. Do the same and let the Holy Spirit be your guide.
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Yea Pastor JD did mention the 7 year tribulation and think he implied a pre trib rapture but i don’t agree with that point he made, the rest of the stuff he spoke about was very informative and very possible.
The Mark of Allah is definitely a very good chance of it being the mark of the beast
If ISIL do get to Israel looks like they have plenty of support already within Israel.
They do say this in the article: In July, IS told the Palestinian people it was “only a matter of time” before they reach Palestine to join the fight against “barbaric Jews”.
Israel: ‘Thousands’ of Isis Supporters Rally at Temple Mount in Jerusalem
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/israel-thousands-isis-supporters-rally-temple-mount-jerusalem-1464043
And hows this one… Isis Tells Vladimir Putin: ‘We are Coming to Russia’ to ‘Free Chechnya’
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-tell-vladimir-putin-we-are-coming-russia-free-chechnya-1463874
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Lafreak you wrote;
“And people will still be looking for that to happen when all along it might be the mark of Allah and again Locally to the middle east and not globally,,,”
Keep in mind the following truth from the Word;
Revelation 13:15-18
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
“And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark”
It will be impossible to miss this evil activity because they will try to force all people on the face of the earth to take the mark.
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http://rt.com/usa/189448-khorasan-terrorist-qaeda-isis-syria/
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i rest assured, for He has given me His Word*,…….take no thought for tomarrow. //// blessings to all
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whoops, spelling,….tomorrow. i love Jesus,…..He Rocks! He says, “cast your burdens upon me”!, and “be not anxious”
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Hi Scott,
yea i agree and have always thought it will be a global system with probably a microchip or RFID implant or tattoo.
Take a look at that video i posted above, the one with the mark of Allah on it,
The guy in that one makes a good point.
Also its impossible to mark the entire planet and that bible verse doesn’t say globally,
It could mean people in the Levant but it could also mean global but doesn’t specify.
My point is as i said before ,, i think its worth watching that area as well. We all have been looking hard at the EU and Solana etc but not many have been looking at the “promised Land” and whats happening directly there until recently.
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…..eat the meat and spit out the bones. Most Christians still look for a 7 year tribulation, 7 year peace treaty, pre-trib rapture, etc. I don’t so I look past it and listen to the rest of the message. Do the same and let the Holy Spirit be your guide.
wise words brother. thank you. love to all in Jesus’ Holy Name. — \ 0 /
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The time is so ripe!
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/21/us-un-assembly-idUSKBN0HG0W820140921?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
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i vision Jesus coming back in the clouds,…..without the vision, the people perish.
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IDF shoots down Syrian fighter plane over Golan
http://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-shoots-down-syrian-fighter-plane-over-golan/
Vic you have mail.
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This video goes for just over a hour and is valid and honestly what Walid Shoebat says seems to be close to prophecy considering the events currently in the middle east.
I have watched so so many videos about the EU and prophecy over the last 15 years on the internet and looking at the world events today this seems it could be correct.
I’m not new to this and as most of you know i have been posting here ever since this site opened up.
He speaks of the EU theory compared to the Muslim AC theory and the mark of the beast etc and what he says i cant dismiss. I wont say 100% on any theory yet but i cant dismiss the theory either.
All i ask is have a look at the video and come to a conclusion.
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Point 1: 03 : 15 – 1:05; 58 of this clip convinces me that there are wolves among us that use the very same tactic all under the name if Jesus. God help us!
The days are evil and who among us shall stand!
Peter, I’m sorry but I have to disagree with you on the Muslim AC theory and dunno if I’m seeing things but he flashed a horn symbol! round about the 1:00 point. Yikes!
Something just does not sit right with me so it’s time to hit the knees 🙂
I pray that other’s will join me in exposing this as another distraction and diabolical deception.
Sorry but I ain’t falling for it 🙂
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I pretty much never link to videos – but this video series has really opened my eyes to more connections in scripture than I’d ever imaginged. I’m only 2 videos into the four part series – but these Jewish men who have come to faith in Christ and become respected bible scholars shed light on the seasons and festivals appointed in scripture like I had never noticed before.
https://dod.org/dod2352.html
“THE APPOINTED TIMES: JESUS IN THE FEASTS OF ISRAEL, PART I – REST, REMEMBRANCE, & RENEWAL”
I love this groups videos- many good expositions of scripture from solid bible teachers walking in the places where the scriptures were written/took place. I have it as a channel on the Roku I keep in our bedroom that has calmed my restless heart and put my focus back on the Lord as I drift off to sleep.
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amen Rob,…focus is back on the Lord! ,…can’t wait to check out the link. //// also am eager to see the walid shoebat video Peter. Jesus is the solid Rock. He brings the blurr into focus*. Would love to know what Nkosazana is thinking as well???? ///Blessings to all,….GOD IS GOOD!
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Rob, now that is something I can watch. Thank-you for posting.:)
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I still have to watch this. My ISP is not giving its cooperation for video streaming today. Im with you Peter. Somehing is not right..
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its hard to argue w/ walid shoebat, as far as i can see…..perhaps i need help seeing.[?] //// and the RBC video on the messiah in the feasts of the Lord, well hey, this is purely beautiful and wonderful! The King of kings will return according to the Fathers schedule and His order of all things!!! We have something BIG to look forward to! Horizons, lovers leap,….supper’s ready*……..New Jerusalem!……………Eternity, and the riches of His Glory. [ eye has not seen,…] keep the faith, Keep the Faith, KEEP THE FAITH, ………endure all things and be of good cheer,….like Peter says, ” Cheers “
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I watched that video 3 times, taken notes and looked at verses and as far as i can see i cant dismiss it.
There is 2 major theory’s the Western Roman empire (EU) and the Eastern Roman Empire (middle East) As i said before both are valid but its better to at least know both views, If the eastern one is right and western one is wrong or other way around then we wont miss the events we are told to watch out for, i still think its good as we are watching and looking for the signs.
Couple of points i want to make 🙂
1. Who beheads Christians?,, Rome (Italians) or Muslims? I cant see the EU chopping of peoples heads.
2. Revelation 13 and 17 woman riding on beast with 7 heads: 5 have fallen one is and the other is yet to come Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, middle Persia, Grecian, Rome/Byzantine empire, ottoman empire (7th kingdom) which is also the last.. 7th kingdom was wounded and heals to rise again. Ottoman empire is reviving.
3. Every nation the bible speaks of end times are Muslim now.
Ezekiel 30:3,4,5 day of the lord where in 4 and 5 he fights against Muslim countries (Lydia = turkey), Libya (north Africa), Turkia
Isaiah 63 Jesus fights the eagle (Edom), Ezekiel 25 Edom is Yemen to Arabia
Joel 3 messiah is on earth fighting surrounding nations (Muslim) (tyre) Lebanon,, Philistia (Gaza)
The burden against Arabia (Isaiah 21 – Burdens Against Babylon, Edom and Arabia).
Ezekiel 37-39 Damascus gets destroyed
Obadiah 1:1, 8 gods judgement of Edom
Isiah 21 Babylon is fallen (burden against Arabia called Dumatha) ,, And in Revelation mystery Babylon is fallen
Psalm 81,82,83 (sidon is a city in Lebanon) (Migdol and Aswan are cities in Egypt)
Again all are Muslim Nations.
4. Islam is 1 religion, 1 language (arabic), 1 government (sharia law)
5. Rome in mentioned 16 times in the bible but not 1 mention of destruction.
6. Muslims will be identified from non-Muslims:
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Could be that the mark of the beast Is a creed of the antichrist or a declaration of Islamic faith.
Identified by a headband (Islamic sahaba) or a ring or band on the right hand, or henna tattoo on hand or forehead which Muslims have used for hundreds of years.
Muslims are already wearing the mark of Allah in these forms.. All they need to do is make it compulsory and necessary to buy and sell.
From the prophecies examined in the Book of Ezekiel, we saw that Turkey was significantly emphasized. Of the eight locations that were specified in the Gog Prophecy of Ezekiel 38, five were located firmly within Turkey. Magog, Meshech, Tubal, Togormah, and Gomer are all areas that were within the boundaries of modern Turkey, Again Ottoman empire with Turkey leading the charge and another Muslim nation.
From Revelation 17, we concluded that the Islamic Empire, culminating in the Turkish Ottoman Empire, was the seventh Biblical Beast Empire. The capital of the Ottoman Empire was Istanbul, formerly Constantinople, the capital of the Eastern Roman Byzantine Empire. Today, Istanbul sits on the northwestern corner of Turkey. The reason that the location of the capitals of the last beast empire may be important is because as the head of the last beast empire, it is possible that it will receive the ‘fatal head wound’ that will come back and awe the world: ‘One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast’ (Revelation 13:3).
Zechariah 9 clearly lists Yavan/Ionia (Turkey) as the primary player in the Last-Days attack against Israel.
One of the main reasons Westerners believe that the Antichrist is western, is that he must have a powerful military force, and only Western nations meet this requirement. Yet, few in the West are aware of the fact that Turkey has one of the largest and most powerful military’s in the world. Among the 26 NATO member nations, Turkey has the second largest army, second only to the United States. 11 Turkey’s army far supersedes the military’s of Germany, Spain, Italy and England combined.
Add the other Muslim nations and its a mighty army.
Jesus will come back to save the world from Islam basically by the looks of it. And he will also have the west fighting with him as the west will already be fighting them when Jesus returns. They said on the news today this ISIL battle could go for decades meaning its not going away and they want Israel and will get it, Then either rebuild the temple next to the dome of the rock on the temple mount and put up the Islamic crescent moon on top of it causing the abomination of desolation or might just use their existing ones. Many Muslims want the temple rebuilt,
Long post 😉
Cheers.
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the main thing is the watching and trusting the Holy Spirit to lead us and interpret for us the events on our radar screen amen? i do not want to be dismissive about your post peter in case there is something there intended for us but i pray for the Spirit of God to highlight what those things are so thanks for the input and we’ll see what comes about. the way things are happening in the world it won’t be long and then we’ll all know—then we will all be right 😉 because God can’t get it wrong……
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Peter may we start here ?
You said ” Couple of points i want to make 🙂
1. Who beheads Christians?,, Rome (Italians) or Muslims? I cant see the EU chopping of peoples heads.”
Are you saying that ONLY Christians are beheaded?
We do agree that this is a ancient practice in many cultures correct?
Please don’t misunderstand me. I’m NOT saying that this is not the ” means” that the AC will use to fulfil Rev 13 .
Let’s stick to the NATURE of the AC and what the Word describes him to be.
Dan 11
37 Neither shall ……..>>>>>>>>he regard the God of his fathers<<<<<<<<<<<……., nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Nuff for now 🙂
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look see! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiN705yVCMw
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Whooaaa Tony I just took a quick peek { 35 seconds long} and will watch later tonight as time permits.
Hey btw I just love how the Lord is conforming and maturing you in Him. It shows 🙂
Guys this is not a tit for tat to see who is right and who is wrong and pray that it won’t be seen as such , but God has given some the gift of discernment as a PROTECTION and a GIFT to the body of Christ for this very reason!
Christ said these days would be filled with deception.I for one refuse to let my guard down 🙂
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Colleen,…look see!! http://www.youtube,com/watch?v=74Tzz51VYXg
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whoops, try this instead…www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSwr8GTyiM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSwr8eGTyiM
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Tony I’ve just watched the first clip you sent and went to the dude’s main page & I got the hibbigbiiges { in a bad way } YIKES!
Maybe one needs to dig a little deeper into the Codex Vaticanus and the RCC spirit that fuels this.
Will try and find the time to pin a few concerns down.
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Second clip.
Follow the $$$ right! And the RCC spirit is always right behind it!
Just found this by James White
Walid Shoebat’s Roman Catholicism Shows Centrality of the Gospel
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php/2014/08/10/walid-shoebats-roman-catholicism-shows-centrality-of-the-gospel/
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honestly i have been wary of shoebat before but thought i would give the clip a look that peter posted thinking maybe i was not being fair-minded. well i have not had that chance yet and maybe now i don’t even want to. perhaps the first reservation i had was my tip off…
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Guys, I’m also not a big Shoebat “fan”, but will it not be better to discus the message and not the messenger? He has got valid arguments in the video that he proofs with Scripture. It will be great to proof it wrong with Scripture. Anyone up for the challenge?
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HI Hisown1
im not saying just Christians i was using that as an example. Its anyone who doesn’t take or wear the mark 🙂
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Not a news source I would generally site – but hey sometimes the notice something important. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/putin-considers-throwing-russia-isis-fight-report-n208776
Russia is flexing its influence in the middle east. They may be willing to put large numbers of boots on the ground where the US president is unwilling. These “boots on the ground” would end up very close to Israel’s northern border – and would ensure that the Syrian conflict ramped in a huge way. As the “moderate” Islamic influence in the region and another significant military presence, I believe it would also bring them into close cooperation with Turkey who has a vested interest in ending the conflict- and a lot to gain as a leader among muslims if it can put down the extreme factions within IS and broker peace with Russia, Iran and the west.
More rumblings of Ezekiel 38 I’d say. I’m not really buying into all the muslim antichrist theories that Shoebat and others are pitching – they are definitely antichrist, but I don’t think any muslim caliph or 12th imam or Al Mahdi is going to get the rest of the world in line with his established kingdom. I still think the rise of Islam is a satanic effort to stir up chaos that will give rise to a worldly, false savior.
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“Wear” the mark Peter? how does one do that ? with a headband? Seriously?
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Rob I love what you said here –
“I’m not really buying into all the muslim antichrist theories that Shoebat and others are pitching – they are definitely antichrist, but I don’t think any muslim caliph or 12th imam or Al Mahdi is going to get the rest of the world in line with his established kingdom. I still think the rise of Islam is a satanic effort to stir up chaos that will give rise to a worldly, false saviour.”
Exactly! A diabolical planned distraction. Satan loves to DIVERT and DISTRACT. How genius of him . Hey it’s working!
1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now…….>>>>> are there many antichrists; <<<<<<<<<……..whereby we know that it is the last time.
I've been seeking the Lord on the meaning of " many anti christ's" and this INCLUDES every single person and religion that DENIES that Jesus Christ { who is God } who CAME IN THE FLESH.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Let's see how NIV put's it!
1 John 4:3-9New International Version (NIV)
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
Yup WHO is able to make WAR against this beast huh?
We're in some pretty serious deceptive times and I for one am refusing to be pulled into the sea of acceptability and the pull of the crowd 🙂
I'm venting again. Sorry 🙂
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Pssst the NIV has omitted the word ” is come in the flesh” just in case it’s overlooked 🙂
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i know that what i said before i still mean. that was what i meant in not wanting to be unnecessarily dismissive because it is the message not the messenger we are to listen to…and have used this rule in other instances for learning about the Bible in harder to understand passages-however i do feel that the things that have made me wary need to be taken into account-at least in this instance because first i don’t believe the Bible supports the idea of a muslim anti-christ (and certainly agree that it is an anti-christ spirit that drives their actions of terror and takeover). do i think it possible that there is a muslim component to this issue?–in a word yes–but this all needs clarification so unless you fellas with more understanding than i currently have see a biblical support for this i’ll just pass for now on shoebat. i’m open but i want to hear the go-ahead from the Lord before i venture too far with any theory. and right now some things are still in the realm of theory–not yet but soon about to be proven or disproven as–fact ***because God is keeping His Word and we know that is true! i do not stress over this but i don’t want to rush in either because i believe this is all a revealing–part by part bit by bit an unfolding that seems to be going on now almost daily. i love to fast-forward to this heart and mind—————come quickly Lord Jesus–and let Him get me through this in-between (hopefully taking a few more Home with me 🙂 ) i know others here are on board with that too.
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lean not on your own understanding,….be not anxious,……take no thought for tomorrow,….be not deceived…..>>>>>>>>come to Jesus,…….fear not,…..He has plans of His own. Be still,…and know,……that He Alone is GOD,..cast all your concerns upon Him and enter into His rest. Abide in Him with the peace that surpasses all understanding. LOOK UP!* love n blessen’s to you all, in Christ our Savior, amen.
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E N D U R E …. stick with the simplicity of the gospel of truth,…for now we see thru glass darkly…..keep the vision….keep the faith. Jesus loves the little children, He will keep us,…. He has given us His Word*
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where it that little thumbs up thing when ya need it ? thanks tony. sticking with the simplicity of that Holy and Beautiful, True and Powerful, Sin-Forgiving and Life-Changing, Eternal Life Gospel. everything taken care of by the One Who gave us that…
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Ahhhh, I think I’m starting to get the picture now 🙂
Hebrew Roots anyone?another jesus, another gospel another spirit. Sorry
http://messiahstruth.webs.com/hebrewroots.htm
This is a Hebrew Roots resource page of media and ministries relating to bible study end times bible prophecy, Israel, torah teaching and torah studies, Jewish roots of Christianity, Yahweh Elohim and Messiah Yeshua.
http://1luz.net/category/walid-shoebat/
Funny how the Lord drops things into our lap when we’re not even looking for it yet begging Him to bring forth His truth.
I watched this clip for the second time yesterday and almost missed the point the first time around. I had to stop @ the 1:00 point to finally get it! Especially @ the 107:37 point 🙂
* See next post
BTW I had no idea of this before this clip was posted and did have a red flag in my spirit about the 119 ministries when it was prompted @ the board we all met at ! Now I understand!
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Vic sorry for not being able to put all 3 links up in one post.
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Ahhhh, I think I’m starting to get the picture now 🙂
Hebrew Roots anyone?another jesus, another gospel another spirit. Sorry
http://messiahstruth.webs.com/hebrewroots.htm
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This is a Hebrew Roots resource page of media and ministries relating to bible study end times bible prophecy, Israel, torah teaching and torah studies, Jewish roots of Christianity, Yahweh Elohim and Messiah Yeshua.
http://1luz.net/category/walid-shoebat/
Funny how the Lord drops things into our lap when we’re not even looking for it yet begging Him to bring forth His truth.
I watched this clip for the second time yesterday and almost missed the point the first time around. I had to stop @ the 1:00 point to finally get it! Especially @ the 107:37 point 🙂
* See above
BTW I had no idea of this before this clip was posted and did have a red flag in my spirit about the 119 ministries when it was prompted @ the board we all met at ! Now I understand!
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Friends, I have asked that we discuss the message and not the messenger. If God could use a donkey to prophecy, he can use anyone. If you do not agree with the messengers views, discuss it with Scripture. Leave the messenger unless you can proof that he is a Christ rejecting wolf. We all have skeletons in our closets. Without Christ I am not qualified to even have this blog!! If you do a Google search on most people you will find something bad on them. That does not proof much. Must I tell you about my Christ forsaken past so that it may be hold against me in the future? And make peace with it that we all are learning from the Lord and we all may be wrong.
Friends, make peace with it, there is going to be pre-tribbers, post-tribbers, pre-wrath, ENP followers, Muslim AC followers, Pope AC followers, Obama AC followers and whatever you still can think of followers in Heaven. Your eschatology views will never separate a true born again believer from the Lord.
Also know that eschatology is not a salvation issue. Well known Christians like Paul Washer and Ray Comfort will not even touch the topic in public because of all the fighting between the different factions.
Friends, keep this place civilised and make peace with it that we will disagree on some points. From now on I will be more strict in the comments. This place on the web will be to glorify Christ and not your own views. And that counts for me also.
Rob and my email addresses is at the top right of this page if you need to privately discuss this.
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Back to topic, in the video by Walid Shoebat he makes an excellent point. l have been conditioned to the idea that the kings of the east in Rev 16:12 is China. What biblical grounds do we have for this ? What countries lies east of the Euphrates? Any world map will tell you it is not China. And China is a king, not kings….. Why the plural kings?
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thanks for the reminder vic. sorry i spoke up when not necessary. you are right. a message proven by Scripture is much more the point.
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Boet this is your board and I respect that. I will refrain from posting any more links concerning this issue and will retreat into my prayer closet with the command of ” Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
I can’t say I’m sorry because then that would be a lie but if the Holy Spirit convicts me well then I will be right back 🙂
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http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/javier-solana-urges-the-world-s-traditional-and-emer — grave new world — our :friend” mr solana
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This video explains how the mark could be the mark of Allah. People will willingly take the mark and we know the mark is a symbol of worship from what the bible says.. forced or not forced its still a symbol regarding religion. Remember i always thought i would be a chip implant or tattoo with RFID>. But I have to consider other options.
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Notice the difference between the different bibles? Some say ON and some say IN their right hand. That is how people get confused as well depending on what bible they have. 1 Word can make a big difference. 🙂 So both could be right its ON or IN Wearing a mark or tattoo compared to having a chip implant in your arm or forehead.
Revelation 13:16
King James Bible
And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
English Standard Version
Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,
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Andre’ That link doesn’t work anymore. it says Page not found. error 404. 😦
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But here is a good one: Lecture by Dr. Javier Solana – 2014: A European View http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3qN8sAQxYs
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oh sorry. it is on project syndicate site. today’s date article called grave new world by javier solana. thanks for letting me know peter. 🙂
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http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/javier-solana-urges-the-world-s-traditional-and-emer –trying again
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well it worked for me a bit ago. 😦 go to project syndicate site and look for that title if interested. (grave new world by solana sept 25,2014) he writes articles for this site as one of their columnists
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLoUq8vybzY
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see link above
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Quote, “What’s really interesting is, one in his delusion has created his own utopia , so nothing and no one can convince him of anything, it’s his own self imbued [and dysfunctional] perfectionism, that no one but him can attain,and no one is worthy of but him,
talk about deitizing oneself!”
Categorically the principle of the aposotized church, the delusion and satan and his sole purpose and agenda, period!
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imagine the new jerusalem
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Good video Tony. The deception is great in Muslims . They need the light of the Lord and our prayers.
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Vic, that response of yours was quite ‘ grounded in Christ ‘,…….and wonderful! Good for you and all together good for me…let me tell ya, i am blessed greatly by the words you chose.
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