And there was war in heaven:

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Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath.
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
 

Friday the 14th must have been one of the most excitingly {and scariest } day’s in my 21 year walk with the Lord.

I had met with a sister in Christ { my mentor and accountability partner }  and shared a little of what we’ve been discussing here and shared with her my thoughts of the probability that the Lord would give us a “heads-up and a time frame ” just prior to when the man of sin is bodily indwellt with Lucifer.I had entrusted her with my innermost private concerns and pondered the{likelihood ?} that the land could have already been divided.We spent the rest of the afternoon pouring over the concerns and spent time in prayer asking the Lord to confirm this through another prayer partner.
 
I shared with her  a e-log entry in my spiritual diary from 2011 asking the Lord to confirm the possibility of a heads-up { as in a timeframe – not a date } asking if He would give us a heads-up warning just prior to the man of sin being BODILY indwellt by this diabolical evil. He did on Friday. This was the third time. This time it was  through a txt message from the prayer partner we had just prayed for and whom had no idea what I had saved in my spiritual e-diary.
Back in 2007 the Lord started to impress on us  from His word what it was that would trigger the tribulation. I had e-mailed Vic and a few others with the verses the Lord had affirmed and shared the concern with them. Yet still being in the ” pre trib mindset” I misunderstood these and only came to the full understanding of that at the end of 2010.Vic also connected the dot’s.The trigger being that the 42 month tribulation would begin with Satan’s expulsion from heaven and is associated with the dividing of the land and the abomination that causes desolate.
I need you to hear my heart. My spirit is grieved beyond words and this is why I’m asking that we all individually seek the Lord on this.
We basically have two options here. If this is the Lord’s timing for the land to be divided then it will come to pass, if not we’re compelled  to keep our lamps filled and to stand on guard as the darkness surrounds us.If this is the timing then we need to consider the soon possibility of the sudden destruction that will change our world as we know it.
 
Back on the 30/03/2003 the Lord confirmed a scripture warning for the consequences for diving the land of Israel .Please read Isaiah chapter 47 with this in mind as God ENTRUSTED the ANCIENT PEOPLE { ISRAEL } to the US of A. Has America not placed a yoke on Israel’s neck with the diabolical Road Map to Peace ? This has been a burden on my heart since Yitzhak Rabin, Bill Clinton, and Yasser Arafat  signed  the Oslo Accords on 13 September 1993.
The Lord has promised not to do anything before revealing it unto His own. We walk in His LIGHT and are not children of the darkness. My plea to you is this. Please seek the Lord  asking that He show us { not based on an  assumption or any emotional feeling } if  the land has already been divided.We know that  Bibi is waiting until Passover, but let each of us hear what the unction from the Holy Spirit is saying to the church.
 
I may be 100% incorrect in my own understanding here but I humbly believe the land has already been divided behind closed doors,  that is.The spiritual wickedness in high places seem to have increased in massive diabolical proportions over the past little while and I’m only now starting to understand the hatred that the enemy has for those that HAVE  the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The false “accusing” of the brethren will grow more intense once the enemy is cast out and know that the only way we will be able to stand against that is to be grounded in the word and be fervent  in prayer.This is war!
 
I will be joining you all in prayer as we hear what the Spirit is saying to the church.
 

Isaiah 14

 
27 For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

 

38 thoughts on “And there was war in heaven:”

  2. wow! i am praying / seeking His word on this and surrendering to His will, trusting Him in full submission…knowing that if He is for us, who can be against us….enemy beware. Blessings to all on this issue of discernment and revelation that we join in seeking together, thanks Colleen,….this sure has stopped me in my tracks and changed my day, so be it, praise Yahweh!

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  3. i believe in my heart that the whole concept of that land divided had been determined already by the powers that be-this goes way back (is it called the jerusalem iniative? sp back a few decade ago) and your time frame that includes clinton arafat and rabin fits perfectly in my mind too because carrying out that mandate (why rabin was taken out and arafat started the infitata? and in God’s time clinton {and many others} will be dealt with too) this is a being “fleshed out” as we speak meanwhile to get the whole world on board (march on jerusalem a couple of years back was a global effort to make that statement) to accept (bit by bit at first and now basically in full) this atrocity in this manufactured political crisis (about peace and safety for the globe). the perfect economic (american and eu crash) and spiritual storms (apostasy totally setting in) are timed to create the circumstance for satan’s man to rise from the beast system. oh yes i have been watching too for a good while and only see this thing becoming all too real for our eyes to see right now—–april is highly significant and i pray too–that God’s people will wake up to see what has taken place that is-in just a short time-going to present the world it’s introduction to it’s “savior” his system in place and operating. the devil has been wasting not time—-but neither has God. the devil bows to His iniative–and God controls this outcome! yes we must pray-for ourselves as well as others…………..

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  4. wow…………..i sense ‘rapture’,………….sooner or later. i got my mind on a sweetdream, the restoration…..we pray, we believe, we trust…..we let go and let God,…we relinquish all sense of self governed control and fully surrender to His love promise,….be of good cheer,….cheers! look up!

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  6. Just wanted to throw this in here {for discussions purposes } if I may.

    I’m one of those blessed Mommies to receive a phone call every morning from a son and this morning was no exception.He was on his way { between working towards his MSc in molecular Biology and genetics } to his teaching position at UBC this morning when I caught him off guard{ mommies can do that at times } I asked him to describe his research work on his latest paper that he had been working on publishing.

    I was intrigued by his reply . His current studies { and papers } were meticulously entered and reviewed by some pretty smart people that he works for here in Vancouver and felt a chill run down my spine as I weighed out the technology being used in diagnosing certain genetic “understandings.”

    He must be the most humble and smartest people I know {not to mention one of the godliest } and it was his response that prompted me to dig a little deeper.

    I found this. Because my time was limited this morning I didn’t have much of it so I posted this in haste . 🙂

    Point 4:40.

    2014 The RACE for IMMORTALITY starts ?

    Not much has changed since the original lie . “Ye Shall Not Surely Die” .

    Thoughts ?

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  7. satan is a diabolical genius …..high ranking sorcerer, grand wizard. He is almost worth a quick grin. Against us he is more than a worthy opponent,…but against He who is in us he is nothing and powerless. //// Your son sounds like a real gem of a person Colleen, God bless him in his work

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  8. Hisown, powerful post, “and there was war in heaven”, everyone should read, and it should not be glossed over or aribitrarally dismissed, it’s too important. Also wanted to add
    that both Hal Lindsey and and Paul Bedrard posted the same warning as of Feb 14th.
    Hisown, keep firing with both barrels! Be blessed!

    Quote, “The wise heed the warning, fools run, which one are you…………………?”

    ISAIAH 55:11 “So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth, it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it!”

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  9. Quote, “The wise heed the warning, fools run, which one are you…………………?”

    Proverbs 1

    24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;

    25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:

    26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;

    27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.

    28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:

    29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the Lord:

    30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.

    31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.

    32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

    33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

    I have no idea how this* verse applies to the above quote Watchman2 but for the life of me it’s been burning on my heart all morning.

    I’ve been weary with forbearing and only understand the “why” now !

    *Isaiah 66:5
    Hear the word of the Lord, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the Lord be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

    My heart grieves more so now than ever for those that were given multiple opportunities to repent yet defianlty refused as they covered themselves with thick clay and collectively cried with ONE voice ” I AM and who is likened unto ME”

    Obadiah 1

    3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?

    4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the Lord.

    Religious pride does just that. It HIDES behind a mask of self-righteousness.It kills the servants of God.

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  10. We are on the front lines of that War here in in this world.

    12 For our battle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the world powers of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavens. 13 This is why you must take up the full armor of God, so that you may be able to resist in the evil day, and having prepared everything, to take your stand. 14 Stand, therefore, (Ephesians 6:12-13 HCSB)

    We on our own are completely insufficient to battle this enemy – however our loving God has provided us with everything we need to ensure total victory over every scheme of the enemy.

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  11. Amen Mr Sheep AMEN!!!

    This is when I whip out them 5 smooth stones 🙂

    Revelation 13:7
    7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

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  12. Quote, “The way to stare down the enemy is to look up!”
    Quote, “Vigilance is knowing what’s coming and trusting in GOD, Fear is knowing what’s
    coming and not trusting in GOD!’

    1 JOHN 4:4!
    PSALM 91!

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  13. Watchman2, you have summed it up oh so well, and have essentially, said it all! Thanks be to God! Now you have got a gooden there. yepper’, by golly, you-betcha. Here you are tellin’ His*Own to take and keep on-a-firin’ away with both barrels,when all the while your quite the sharp shooter!

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  14. Quote, “Wisdom and strength are the fruits of unflinching faith in Christ!”

    1 SAMUEL 17:45 “Then said David to the philistine, thou comest to me with a sword,
    and with a shield, but I come to thee in the name of the LORD of hosts, the GOD of
    the armies of israel, whom thou hast defiled!”

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  16. Watchman2 you said-

    “Also wanted to add that both Hal Lindsey and and Paul Bedrard posted the same warning as of Feb 14th.”

    I was just over @ John MC T’s page and saw this *comment made by ” Steve ” { #24 written by Steve 20 HOURS AGO} the embedded video is a must watch.

    *The 4 Coming wars – A quick overview

    14 February 2014, 11:44

    Here are 2 great articles I came across on Hal Lindsey’s website today.

    http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Nuclear-warfare-prophesied-in-the-Bible-20140219

    This would be a great article to show your unsaved family and friends.

    http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/The-4-Coming-wars-A-quick-overview-20140214

    End of Steve’s quote.
    Watchman2 , are these the two positing’s you were referring to?

    Expert: Iran ships a dry run for later nuclear/EMP attack; humiliate Obama
    BY PAUL BEDARD | FEBRUARY 14, 2014 AT 11:21 AM

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/expert-iran-ships-a-dry-run-for-later-nuclearemp-attack-humiliate-obama/article/2544041

    This week on ‘The Hal Lindsey Report’ February 14th, 2014

    Hisown here 🙂 Please note that these are written from a pre trib position 🙂

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  17. …please take note,…this is all a stage play,….and now obama is pretending to be humiliated…….scene 16 take 3, camera-action-ready, “ok, we have the ships in place”. to them, its a joke but they are setting their own trap, unknowingly, as they stumble and fumble in their self chosen darkness

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  19. Sorry to bump this thread but I was so blessed by today’s Worhty News . Not only was it an affirmation for me but a loud and clear understanding that we’re at war. A spiritual one that is .
    I’m not surprised as we inch closer to the very soon coming AOD and the 42 month trib. We’re closer to this than what many are willing to admit and pray that as the days grow darker, we will shine as the brightness of the firmament 🙂

    Dan 12:3
    And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

    In another thread I had shared yesterday that as the days grew darker people would be begging for answers and that we needed to be ready to answer these. I regret not adding this verse.

    Daniel 11: 32

    32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he

    corrupt by flatteries:

    but the people that do know their God

    shall be strong

    and do exploits.

    33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

    I know that the Lord will be calling many of us to do some pretty heroic things in the coming days. I for one am waiting on the command. Five smooth stones and all 🙂 He will enable us to do the exploits , not by might or by power, but by His Spirit 🙂

    Worthy News Brief – February 25, 2014
    { place your name here } , prepare for war on the horizon!

    Psalms 27:3-4 Though an army should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this I will be confident. One thing have I desired of the LORD, that I will seek; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to inquire in His temple.

    A United States Army officer who trained pupils at Fort Still for over 20 years once described the different qualities of the students during the two decades of his tenure. During the 1950’s, he observed the students’ attitude as being so lax that the instructors had trouble keeping their students awake during their lectures. This drastically changed in the mid 1960’s. The students began taking meticulous notes and absorbing every word of instruction. So, what changed? The lectures weren’t any different. Were mid 60s students somehow more diligent? No… but the circumstances had changed. The pupils of the 1950’s weren’t expecting to be sent to war, but the men in the 1960’s were being prepared to go to Vietnam.

    {Place your name here } , we are already at war and the battle is raging. We cannot afford to be unprepared, as though we were at peace. Each of has a post or a position to occupy, or a battlefront to advance upon. So let us stay awake, alert and in constant preparation, feeding and abiding in the Word of God, continuing instant in prayer and growing mighty in it. There’s so much work to be done, and our Commander in Chief is looking for eager volunteers who are well prepared to serve. Honoring Him in the battles ahead will bring great joy through the exploits He will enable us to do.

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  20. Hi Colleen , when i read this early this mornin’ boy did i think of you and Shelly right away! you have both recently stated that we are at war essentially. i’m glad you took the time to bring this forth. Praise God n pass the blessen’s! Armor up everybody,…lets remember each other in prayer, please*

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  21. if lee strobels works can’t convert a non-believer, then shoot, who’s can? DVD’s on the case for Christ etc. are winners imo.

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  22. i keep thinking of Jesus,…….my kingdom is not of this world…….He defeated the adversary by not engaging in any battle tactics other than just speaking truth and going like a lamb to the slaughter. its 5:20 am and i’m awake pondering….

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  24. Whew thank-you Rob for taking care of that. I wanted to share my RELIEF of not being “aided by any man in the day of my salvation” , but the Lord constrained me and to wait for someone else to respond.I’m sure glad I did 🙂 Can’t always be the one to exercise the gift of discernment and contending ye know 🙂 Not nice being the ” enemy ” all the time. Sorry guys but that’s how I’ve been feeling lately as the deception grows more diabolical by the day.It’s bad and it’s getting worse. I ask for prayer.

    The Lord is taking me through a deeper understanding of the ” Idolatry ” we refuse to see all around us and had a sister in Christ share a very powerful thought with me this morning. She said ” { When there is } no Holy Spirit living within , He is shunned because the ” idol” is SELF !

    WOW that’s going on my fridge !

    Jeremiah 17:5
    Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

    Tony I will post a little clip I’m watching on the life of Elijah once I’ve gone through it 🙂

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  25. In light of the current situiation in the Ukraine, I think think that this post bears revsisitng and rereading, the enormity and importance of this post cannot be understated, as I said
    in an earlier comment, this post should not be glossed over or aribitrarily dismissed.
    Hisown keep firing with both barrels! Be blessed!

    Quote, ” The wise heed the warning, and fools run!”

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  26. with our physical, earthly eyes we see what is going on in the world,…ah, but with and through the eyes of faith, we look UP and behold the signs and the Glory of GOD,…..I SENSE 20/20 VISION, IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE,…for when that which is perfect has come we will begin to see clearly…….and know, as we are known! blessings*,….colleen you are a darling girl, and one heck of a woman! see you in God’s Kingdom*, with 20/20 vision! can’t wait

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  27. Amen! Watchman on that quote.Loved it.

    If it weren’t for the Lord strengthening me for this time , I doubt I would’ve been able to stand strong and courageous right now. This drives me to love and worship Him even more for His loving hand of training and direction 🙂 It hurts at first but hey the end result is so sweet !

    Tony you’re way funny 🙂

    Guy’s this all comes down to Israel and her being a “open target ” for Satan right now. Don’t forget we’re the remnant of her seed and the battle is against us as well. The US President has made it pretty clear that they will no longer be her ” protection ” { keep Isaiah 47 in mind} and if Bibi doesn’t agree to the disputed areas and frame work of this diabolical plan then she stands alone.

    We know what the rest of this chapter brings forth and wonder if this is why we’re all sensing { sorry don’t mean to use that word } the staging of a ” sudden destruction” ?

    Would that not just be the perfect set up as the world cries out in desperation and despair? The time seems diabolically ripe.Seems pretty serious that every webpage one frequents lately seems to have come to the same understanding, it’s not just those of us that hold to the pre wrath view 🙂 That alone should tell us something.God is warning.

    I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.Thus saith the Lord God of hosts , the God of Israel.

    Isaiah 47
    King James Version (KJV)
    47 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.

    2 Take the millstones, and grind meal: uncover thy locks, make bare the leg, uncover the thigh, pass over the rivers.

    3 Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.

    4 As for our redeemer, the Lord of hosts is his name, the Holy One of Israel.

    5 Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.

    6 I was wroth with my people, I have polluted mine inheritance, and given them into thine hand: thou didst shew them no mercy; upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke.

    7 And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it.

    8 Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:

    9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.

    10 For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.

    11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.

    12 Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.

    13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.

    14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

    15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.

    Earlier today I was reflecting on Daniel chapters 5& 6 and found a treasure hidden deep therein that I had missed the past 21 yrs. Don’t you just love how the Lord does that! Only when we’re ready does He give the ” understanding” .

    What a awesome God we serve , Praise be to the God of Israel that never slumbers or sleeps , who maketh His ways known unto His children.What a privileged place to be.

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  28. Colleen are you going to share your discovery in daniel 5&6,…please do and if possible the clip on Elijah that you had mentioned.

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  29. Tony the one I was watching was pretty cheesy and didn’t think it was suitable to post. Sorry ” bout that 🙂

    I love listening to the Word in audio. Bible gateway has a awesome option to do that and I preferred listening to the story of Elijah on that anyways. It brings the Word into your home and fills your mind in such a powerful way.

    Well I found quite a few parallels in both Chapter 5 & 6 today that proves that Satan hasn’t changed much of his strategy. His goal always seems to be the same and found it fascinating that not much has changed. There were a number of points that seemed to have a dual fulfilment for a future prophetic time .

    Just pondering, when the man of sin comes in his diabolical glory won’t it be just like him to USE the same tactics { making a firm decree } against us by using the law of the land AGAINST US. Even giving us a ” time ” to adapt or “die”.

    Look how sneaky { and evil } these men were as they cried out “We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find it against him concerning the law of his God”

    Once Daniel knew of this ” 30 days decree” that was given, he went into his home and worshipped God openly. Don’t you just love that courage! What was it that got him to this point of trusting the Lord and why did he defy the ” royal statute”? No need to answer that it’s just a beautiful picture of one being in complete surrender to God.

    There are so many beautiful gems to discover in these two chapters alone that will keep you digging for hours. Enjoy!!

    Happy solo bible study 🙂

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  31. go to http://www.unsealed.org and scroll down to rapture 2014 then click on blue letters underneath that say ritan!…………………..enjoy the 2020 vision into feb 11th, 2021 signs in the heavens*….Rejoice!,….Horizions….cheers!,…………Shalom!………Jubilee!

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  33. he whom the Lord has freed is free indeed,…redeemed!* and no longer in bondage. Love, with all His might!

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  34. Bumping thread to quote a powerful paragraph from Bro Brian’s latest update.I love that the Lord God prepares us for these things beforehand. I love it!!

    Lord willing and time permitting I would love to share a little testimony of how the Lord called me to a 30 day fast of silence {and stepping back from sharing on a personal level } from the 27th May to the 27th June and it’s two fold understanding. Funny and hilarious as it sounds the Lord prompted me to record a mini video {on my iPhone} to keep as a witness for those that would question the validity of the time it was recorded and totally understand why the Lord urged me too now.Perilous days just ahead my friend’s…perilous!!

    Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

    Iran Gains Power As The West Fiddles

    “As the situation worsens in the Middle East the EU will be choosing its foreign minister in the next couple of days. This is extremely important as it may set forth a possible Antichrist candidate.

    Stressful times, my friends. As the world worsens, God’s ministers will increasingly become more unpopular. It is our urgency to pray for those who preach and teach the Word, as Satan will attack them and their families. You may be one of them so stand guard against all ungodliness. Those that preach the Word and live the Word will be a light shining on a hill not because of whom they are but because of Jesus who lives in them. “

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  35. Trying to confirm the validity of the death of bishop Tony Palmer, friend of Pope Francis.

    On a e-mai discusion over the past few weeks a sister in Christ and I have been connecting the dots to the diabolical plan of Lucifer with the RCC root in every facet of society. I’ve been trying to post my thoughts on this man and sent out a few concerns to two sisters in Christ.

    Vic you have mail.

    http://www.christiantoday.com/article/christians.mourn.death.of.bishop.who.was.friend.of.pope.francis/38973.htm

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  37. Do you have a ” spot ” in your life { that feasts with you? } ? If so get it out of your life. They’ve have been sent to seduce you away from pure worship of the Lord Jesus Christ. Run for ye life 🙂

    Jude 1

    12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

    13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

    These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.

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