Horses/Chariots/Riders

Guest post by Shorttribber:

Revelation and understanding is what God has promised to provide for His saints, and He Will Continue to provide exactly those things as the days draw closer to the sounding of the last trump and our gathering to him in the clouds.

So, even though many things have been hidden from our understanding, and traditional Ideas are available and somewhat reasonable, that should never discourage us from looking closer at and examining different ideas that may prove to be yet more reasonable and scripturally sound.

Ideas and opinions of What the Horses, Chariots, and Riders of Zech. 6 and Rev. 6 represent are plentiful throughout history in our Bible Commentaries for over 1,500 years. How then are we to clearly establish what could be Called a “Traditional” View?

We Could describe certain Views as “Traditional Historicist”, or maybe “Traditional Dispensationalist/Futurist”, and those would be in a broad sense fairly accurate. As students of prophecy we can choose to cling like a Bulldog on a Hambone to the “Traditional” idea that best suits Our Ideas and Opinions, but is that wise if in Error?

In the past, on several occasions, I’ve asked the Lord to help me understand the horses, chariots and riders connection to each other in Zech. and Rev. but nothing seemed to be clearly shown by him to me…….until a few weeks ago. What came to me was so distinct, evident and powerful that I was just “Absolutely Convinced” it was True. Then, the Flu hit the whole house, Starting with Me…..my wife is still struggling with it…..kids are doing well now.

Then, as I began to feel better, my desire to type the notes out I’d been working on and send them to Vic was delayed…….it just seemed the notes vanished into thin air! When I’ve put notes together in the past, they don’t just disappear like that. After searching everywhere I had begun to come to the conclusion that I just plain missed God on this one, and He was letting me know that He didn’t want me to share what I so truly thought He gave me about these things.

How I came to find the notes must be told later maybe due to time and space, but, finding them as I did again made me to Know, No, I Didn’t miss God on this one at all…..He just Reinforced in my heart that He Did in Fact Answer me about these things.

I will always be willing to admit error, and I could be still in error……but we Will See, if it’s True or False soon I think.

The Works of the Flesh have been made known to us by God, Gal. 5: 19-21. These Rotten Fruit of Fallen Man are a Product of Four Elementary and Foundational Spirits that “Stand” in Opposition “Before” God….Zech. 6:5.

These Four “Spirits/Winds” are each twofold in composition, Two United/Joined/Married together in a most Unholy Union and are Portrayed by the United/Joined Horses and Chariots, and Horses and Riders of Zech and Rev 6…………Both……chapter SIX.

What are These Four Elements that are Twofold in Composition? They are…..

  • 1. Self-righteousness and Self-worth……………….White
  • 2. Hatred and War……………….Red/Bay
  • 3. Rebellion and Greed…………………….Black
  • 4. Idolatry and Antichrist…………………Grisled/Pale Green

Is it a wonder then that the Ancient Pyramids are the Symbol of Freemasonry, Illuminati, and the new World Order and It’s Four Cornered Foundational Structure? All Four, Proceed to One Final Joining at the Final Confrontation with God for “The Kingdom of Heaven”?

Something to remember also, Zechariah is given a vision of “Spirits” that “Go” from “Standing” before God. It does not say “Have Gone”, “Are Going” or “Will Go”. In other words, Over Time, they “Go”. Prophecy, in nearly ever case will have a Past, Present, and Future application, and so it is here in Zech. 6 and Rev. 6.

The Order is given in such a way in Zechariah as to when they first appear from Between to Mountains
“Like Brass”(Brass speaks of suffering), and also an order that they leave.

The Oder they leave, when applying them to Past, Present and Future Events we can see these parallels.

First. Black…..Rebellion and Greed……..The Fall, Lust of the Flesh, Lust of the Eye, Pride of Life.

Second. White…..What “Followed After”(Zech 6: 6) was Self-righteousness and Self-worth…….But they Could Not Right themselves with Fig Leaves……….They also could have thought, We Didn’t Die! Just like the serpent said, we must have Greater Value, Greater Worth than God told us. But No, if not for God’s tender Mercies…….We are All Expendable Lament. 3:22.

Third. Grisled…….Idolatry and Antchrist….to the south to bide their time and Influence Kingdoms and Mankind over time and go Undetected or Unnoticed (the man behind the curtain, so to speak).

Fourth. Red/Bay………Hatred and War……………What has been more common as going about throughout the earth over time?

Fast forward now to the Oder and Parallels of Rev 6.

Post # 2……………….The rider on the white horse represents the Pope/Papacy, consider these things:

Almost everything associated with the papacy is white, white and white. Remember the dream Constantine had of the symbol of a cross on a white……. FLAG……..; under that standard he was told he would conquer and DID conquer.

The rider on the red horse represents communism, socialism and fascism, consider this:

The red………… FLAGS………….. of all of the above isms should be easy enough to place.

The rider on the black horse represents capitalism and anarchy, consider too:

Read the contents of Rev 6:5-6 and see if this doesn’t look like failed capitalism(via greed and selfishness)running headlong toward anarchy, and what color of………… FLAG ……….do we see among anarchists, it’s black.

The pale horse represents the coming Antichrist and his perverted blend of all of the above powers.

  • 1) Religious power (white horse): Self-Righteousness…….And……Self-Worth
  • 2) Political power (red horse): Hatred………And…………War
  • 3) Economic power (black horse): Rebellion………..And……..Greed

All of these Powers (Spirits) were given there chance to destroy the elect of God over time.

But we have God’s promise (covenant/testament) that the gates of hell will NOT PREVAIL over His church! please excuse me while I take a lap and shout just a minute!…..just kiddn’……….we WIN this thing!
…………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

Now, what color of ……FLAG………most represents ISLAM?………..Right….GREEN….PALE GREEN

Idolatry …….And………ANTICHRIST.

The Fourth Horseman………The Loser/antichrist and his antichristian World Dominion Agenda
And the Koran/Islamic Number Unholy Number of 666
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………

So, is this just coincidence?……….are you really being honest and objective if you really think that?

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94 thoughts on “Horses/Chariots/Riders

  1. “bad seed and now it’s very ugly fruit are manifested-everywhere!”

    “The Works of the Flesh have been made known to us by God, Gal. 5: 19-21. These Rotten Fruit of Fallen Man are a Product of Four Elementary and Foundational Spirits that “Stand” in Opposition “Before” God….Zech. 6:5.”

    “So, is this just coincidence?……….”

    Ps 68
    17 The…….. Chariots of God……. are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.
    18 Thou hast……….. ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive:……… thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

    Eph 4
    9 (…………Now that he ascended,………. what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
    10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens,……………. that………………… he might fill all things.)

    11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
    13……………… Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge……… of the Son of God, unto a………….. perfect man,…………. unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ

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  2. I don’t really have the time to go through this at the very moment but if I may start with one question.

    You said :
    1) Religious power (white horse): Self-Righteousness…….And……Self-Worth
    2) Political power (red horse): Hatred………And…………War
    3) Economic power (black horse): Rebellion………..And……..Greed

    All of these Powers (Spirits) were given there chance to destroy the elect of God over time.”

    Let me try and understand this correctly 🙂 or am I misreading this.

    Are these “spirits” working through the vessels of wrath { the tares, false brethren } to destroy the child of God or ?

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  3. “Are these “spirits” working through the vessels of wrath { the tares, false brethren } to destroy the child of God or ?”

    Yes, but they are also Fruits of the Flesh in All of Us that we must Not Allow to be Cultivated by Our Own Deeds……Sin shall not have Dominion Over Us…….but It Will WAR in Our Members.

    Sometimes the Greatest Enemy of Our Souls IS the Person Between Our Own two shoulders.

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  4. I should have added scripture 🙂

    Vessels of wrath.

    Rom 9:22
    What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

    Praise God that we die daily 🙂

    Rom 6:11
    Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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  5. We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands. The man who says, ‘I know Him,’ but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys His word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in Him: Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did.”

    Iv’e been doing a personal study on 1 John chapter 2 🙂

    3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

    Just sent a e-mail to a sister in Christ this morning about those that tend to hold a ” partial and selective ” obedience” 🙂

    No wonder many will say ” Lord…Lord….did we not”…..

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  6. Could you please clarify { in simplicity and directness } please.{I love that the Lord says He reveals these things unto those as children 🙂 }

    You said ” “bad seed and now it’s very ugly fruit are manifested-everywhere!”

    Are you suggesting that the ” nephilim ” are the bad seed?

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  7. “We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands. The man who says, ‘I know Him,’ but does not do what He commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
    “Just sent a e-mail to a sister in Christ this morning about those that tend to hold a ” partial and selective ” obedience” 🙂 ”

    All of us who Truly Love God do Obey God’s commands….but not Fully…we Desire to, but our Will and our Desire are not always Mutual.
    Take for example, John Tillotson (Church of England/conformist) and William Perkins(Puritan/nonconformist), Both historically Very godly and Devout Christian men…….or…….John Wesley(Methodist) and John Calvin (Calvinist).

    Is it so that they were “Partial” or “Selectively Obedient” because they each had variable Doctrine? Did they literally War among themselves, imprison and Kill each other, the Cause Being (Because), They Were False Christians, Tares, or False Brethren?

    No………… it’s beCause they Did Not Understand What Matters Most, and beCause, The TIME of the PERFECTING of the Saints Was Not Yet……Neither is it YET NOW…………But Soon I think.

    What “Matters Most”?……………….

    18. Grow up…………………………that’s what “Matters Most”

    19. How? How do we “Grow Up”, individualy and as the Body of Christ?

    20. …………………………………Ephesians 4…………………………………….

    1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye …………………..walk worthy………………… of the vocation wherewith ye are called
    2 With ………………..all lowliness and meekness………………, with……………………… longsuffering,……………….. forbearing one another………………. in ………………Love;
    3 ……Endeavouring…………. to keep the unity of the Spirit ………….in the bond……….. of peace.
    4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are ………….called in one hope…………… of your calling;
    5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
    7 But unto every one of us is given grace…………. according……………. to the measure of the gift of Christ.
    8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and ………gave gifts…… unto men.
    9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
    10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
    11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    12 For the …………………perfecting………………… of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the………………………………………………… edifying ………………………………………………of the body of Christ:
    13 Till we all come in the………….. unity of the faith…………, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto ………………………………………..a perfect man…………………………………….., unto the…………… measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
    14 ……………………………………………..That………………………………………………… we henceforth………………………………………… be no more children…………………………………………………, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
    15 But…………………………………………. Speaking the Truth in…………….LOVE …………………………………………., may ………………………………………….GROW UP……………………………………………….. into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
    16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

    Real LOVE In the Body of Christ is Coming SOON……..And…….What DO WE, when WE Truly Love………………..God……………AND……….Each Other…………….Right, We KEEP HIS Commandments………..And have the TESTIMONY……….OF……………Christ.

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  8. “You said ” “bad seed and now it’s very ugly fruit are manifested-everywhere!”

    The quote is from Andre’ Leibee….it refers only to Rotten/Ugly Fruit of the Flesh…as opposed to the Fruit/Seed of the Spirit of God, the Seed being the Word of God.

    No ref. to Nephelim Seed Nonsense.

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  9. “Real LOVE In the Body of Christ is Coming SOON……..And…….What DO WE, when WE Truly Love………………..God……………AND……….Each Other…………….Right, We KEEP HIS Commandments………..And have the TESTIMONY……….OF……………Christ.”

    This is pretty difficult to believe only because for the past 21 years I’ve haven’t encountered many who I can truly say { in the household of faith } that show true genuine agape love as God’s Word instructs us to show one another. Sorry to say this and I mean no offence, but I’ve been loved more deeper by unsaved people than by those professing Christ. That’s pretty sad don’t you think!

    The love of many have grown cold and it’s gotten worse over the past little while!

    Sure I’ve seen the “fake” kinda Christian love { to be seen of men and for selfish purposes } that are exposed by the LIGHT , yet praise the Lord that this is one gift satan can’t counterfeit!

    I see right through it 🙂

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  10. “This is pretty difficult to believe………..”yet praise the Lord that this is one gift satan can’t counterfeit!”

    But we have God’s Word that it Will Happen……..And i’m Hanging on to that. The fact that the Loser can’t counterfeit it will help Confirm the Truth of God’s Power in the Saints during the great Trib.

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  11. amen shorttribber. when it comes to evil it is like we ain’t seen nothin’ yet (gr trib)—but also in good the way Jesus is Good these times will be highlighted in His saints-in that we ain’t seen nothin’ yet too. have seen the fake stuff also–the social gospel is all about that because the fake church fits in nicely with the world–everybody that is awake in Christ is seeing this bad fruit from bad seed so the church for the most part is sleeping (and the professing church is falling away as we speak)—-but the Spirit has a final work to do for the (possessing) church as she will be presented to Christ in white….cleansed by the Blood of Christ Jesus but in these end days cleansed in her walk by the persecution she will endure. i love Jesus and peter’s exchange in john 13—Jesus washed peter’s (disciples) feet-a personal but also corporate message too. a picture of the walk with Jesus….and we should go do likewise-in thought, word, and deed. my takeaway from this–the Love of the Spirit will be abundantly poured out upon the saints to give away themselves for the sake of the Gospel of Jesus our Lord.

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  12. the way you two bounced back n forth there was interesting and it blesses me …..the growing up thing is imo where its at for sure,…and yet the flesh tugs away – steadily, by jerks at times – in a very irregular unpredictable pattern designed ? to catch us off guard and knock us off our feet. Our Father is there to catch us when we fall and help us to get back on our way,…HIS WAY. This is an awesome study Rick,very beautiful.,..and i truly believe that TRUTH WINS, amen and enjoy the ride

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  13. we must of been typing at the same time andrea, so i want to say, “yea” to your comment, esp. the ending!! something you said, along the way hit me with a thought,….it was about the bride made white, cleansed in the blood and no doubt made ready, purified….that i wish to address, soon-as i need to think about it for a time. Also, like you said, we ain’t seen nuthin’ yet! Tribber this is one interesting post.

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  14. Sorry for not answering your posts Andre and Tony………sickness struck again as you know Tony, after talking on the phone last night.
    Feeling better this morning but not completely well yet…..thanx for the prayers.

    That’s an interesting post Andre’ as Tony said also……hope to discuss it further.

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  15. Right now I will not be participating in this discussion until the Lord gives me the understanding and unction from His Holy Spirit as to the ” why ” 🙂

    Mr Shortribber please be don’t take offence here but the Koran/Islam ” World agenda ” is not the ONLY unholy number of 666 as I’m more concerned { and appalled } at the rising “anti christ spirit” that’s within the hallways of “Christianity “. There is this new breed of { false} apostles and the oh so dangerous self deception of “Gnosticism” that ‘s a very real concern . This is but the tip of the strong delusion iceberg and the dangers Christ warned of in the days just before His second coming.There are many doctrines of demons running amok in the church,,,but God’s people LOVE it so! Not much has changed since the days of Jeremiah.

    There is no ” hidden ” knowledge that is revealed only to a select { privileged } few and God has promised that He will reveal these things unto all of His sheep.If we are ” other wise ” minded, HE will reveal that. I love that don’t you . It’s not about being IMMATURE it’s about HEARING His voice. That ‘s the promise I hold onto 🙂

    John 10:27
    My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

    Remember I was once in a cult….{ please understand why I test all things } that’s how cults start/ operate. They hear a word from ” God” as did Mr Smith, Mrs White, Mrs Baker and Mr Moon and not to even dare touch the dangers of Marshall Herff Applewhite Jr { heavens gate cult } { to mention but a few } and the most painful one that still has my family bound- Mr Charles T. Russell.

    I need the Holy Spirit to be my guide in these days of darkness and am compelled to seek Him for direction and light for my path 🙂 Please don’t deny me that.

    I pray that Mr Baldy doesn’t mind me **quoting him on this. It’s a keeper for sure and to be read in conjunction with James 3: 13-16 🙂

    1 Corinthians 2:13
    Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    **”IF the Love of God truly dwells within a believer – then they speak with love. And that love is not based on sensationalism or unreasonable emotion. That love which is spoken from the heart, is gentle & reveals the TRUTH . It is not confrontational, or lack compassion; nor does it replace sensationalism with understanding. This same Spirit of TRUTH delivers the Word of God, with gentleness, and understanding. It without question comes from the Spirit of God – and is TRUE confirmation.”

    Should not our ULTIMATE goal be to KNOW, GLORIFY and be CONFORMED into the image of Christ 🙂

    8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

    9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

    10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

    11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

    12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

    13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

    14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
    (Philippians 3:8-11).

    James 3: 13-16

    Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

    13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

    14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.

    15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

    16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

    17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

    18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

    I praise the Lord that He sees the intentions of the heart and beg Him to reveal that even to me as I post this.

    In much agape love.

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  16. “Mr Shortribber please be don’t take offence here but the Koran/Islam ” World agenda ” is not the ONLY unholy number of 666 as I’m more concerned { and appalled } at the rising “anti christ spirit” that’s within the hallways of “Christianity “.”

    We should certainly be concerned about the antichrist spirit among a falling away church…..but 666 is the number of the Koran, muslims even boast that 666 is their holy number…..only takes a little research to find that out.

    “There is no ” hidden ” knowledge that is revealed only to a select { privileged } few and God has promised that He will reveal these things unto all of His sheep”

    In time yes…..he will Reveal All things to all his sheep…..but that doesn’t mean All Things are Revealed……….AT………the Same Time. Teachers (one of the five-fold ministries) is not a “Select {privileged} Few”, but they, Teachers, have Gained Something to Teach that Others have not Yet Learned……that’s why God has, Given To the Church, Teachers.

    It’s understand able that, after coming out of a cult, you are more guarded against the Teaching of Men……and rightly so. That does not however mean that Any Understanding that has yet been previously “Hidden” from you should be Automatically Categorized as “Gnostic”.

    Hisown, you’ve said you don’t intend to comment so i’ll leave the question to others, is there Anything in this Observation about the Horses/Chariots/Riders that is “Gnostic” ?
    Or can the ideas be evidenced in scripture? Any points that any may think are not supported by scripture we should all hope to examine.

    “Should not our ULTIMATE goal be to KNOW, GLORIFY and be CONFORMED into the image of Christ 🙂 ”

    Yes, and God has Promised to do just that………and it will be His Doing Alone, and not Ours.

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  17. I think I will rely on the scriptures to teach me and the Holy Spirit to bring forth the understanding thank you 🙂 Unfortunately I’ve encountered way too many deceptive” five-fold ministries.” Can you tell !

    Sorry but I don’t just “swallow-and-follow” whatever is being taught, but use this scripture as my guide. Rev 2: 3.

    Christ warned us of……
    1} False Apostle’s
    2} False Prophets
    3}False Teachers
    4}False Shepherds
    5}False Christ’s

    I heed His warning. Please don’t deny me that guys 🙂

    Just to clarify I am not going to debate the post, but will defend my stand 🙂

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  18. “I think I will rely on the scriptures to teach me and the Holy Spirit to bring forth the understanding thank you 🙂 Unfortunately I’ve encountered way too many deceptive” five-fold ministries.” Can you tell !”

    Yes

    “Sorry but I don’t just “swallow-and-follow” whatever is being taught, but use this scripture as my guide. Rev 2: 3.”

    That’s fine….i’ll use from Gen. 1 thru Rev. 22 as my mine

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  19. MY Mine? lol see how God upbraids us when we try to get a little too sharp? that’s what he does to me. Guess that’s why I’m careful about that……so, sorry for being a bit too sharp hisown.

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  20. http://sermons.worldchallenge.org/en/node/26169?src=devo-email –maybe this will bless someone

    i do not read anything gnostic in what shorttribber is sharing with us. if a gnostic (anti-christ) spirit is there i believe the Holy Spirit will alert us but i do not necessarily have to go looking amen? some may be more sensitive that way than others to find error when it is presented but then again some may be overly sensitive and pouring over much to find what is not there. if it is there then it is promised that we will have our help in time of need for this too. Jesus can help His flock know the difference. sometimes it is not a doctrinal issue just more light is needed to understand more fully. granted we all need to grow in discernment and more light within us to know what to make of darker passages (that are still coming to light) but if we are keeping our “wick” trimmed (prayer and confession so we stay tender to the Lord’s voice) and our lamp full of “oil” (of the Holy Spirit) –setting our minds and hearts on things above–i believe and am sure that yall do too that the Lord will make things known to warn—or—to teach and illumine what we need when we need it. either way it is most certainly the Lord’s doing not ours–amen to that 🙂 it is a good thing to beware of enemy tares being sown but in an evil and deceptive time as now we must also attempt to be careful that we do not uproot tender wheat meanwhile just as Jesus Himself tells us in matt 13:24-30. He knows how to sort this out for us. our trust in in You Lord. love to all.

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  21. Honestly though, there has been no directive to “swallow-and-follow” anything I’ve suggested.
    Do you feel that this following text is not an important one to heed and obey?
    Or do you feel it has become irrelevant to those who have become Deceived by False Brethren in the Past?

    Eph 4
    10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
    11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
    12……….. For…………. the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
    13……….. Till …………..we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

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  22. thanks shorttribber. have never felt a compulsion from you about anything that you post. we are to test everything by God’s Word and know you stress that often. edifying unity. great thoughts for the mind in an uneasy world…..

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  23. “…… Nehemiah got his authority on his knees—weeping, broken, wanting to know God’s heart. And because he was a man of prayer, he was able to confess the sins of a whole nation: “That thou mayest hear the prayer of thy servant, which I pray before thee now, day and night . . . and confess the sins of the children of Israel . . . both I and my father’s house have sinned. We have dealt very corruptly against thee, and have not kept the commandments” (Nehemiah 1:6-7).”

    Very similar thing was done and said by Daniel in the Daniel 9 prayer.

    And the result was God’s Promise of the Confirmation of The Covenant Made by Promise by Christ………………..Part two coming to a part of the earth near all of us Very Soon.

    And GOD will do the Sorting……..and i’m very thankful that it Will Be HIS DOING ALONE.

    Things are just plain too confusing for us any of us to know how to contribute much in that regard………at least that how it seems anyway.

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  24. We are here to learn from Christ through His Spirit. He use us as His unperfected vessels to teach and edify. As long as what is taught does not contradict Scripture, we are welcome to discuss it.

    I do not see any gnostic teachings in Shorttribber’s post. If there was I would not have posted it. All I see that I do not fully agree with is the 666/Muslim teaching, but that is not gnostic and not a salvation teaching but an interpretation of his view on the 666 mystery.

    Friends, I sometimes fear that we are driven apart, not because of salvation an Gospel teachings, but because of different views on end time prophecy. We all confess Jesus as risen Christ and God in the flesh.

    Lets discuss and lets feel free to disagree, but lets do it as disciples of Christ, in love.

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  25. Amen Vic……and the 666 thing is just a relevant issue that can be supported by scripture and everything evidenced around us….and has nothing to do with our Confession of God come in the Flesh in the Very Person of Jesus Christ.

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  26. There is something that has come to mind about the two mountains (as brass) that the horses and chariots were seen riding from between.

    this text has come to mind in connection to it I think….

    Gal 4
    22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
    23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
    24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
    25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
    26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

    Just seems to parallel the idea of Old/Carnal/Earthly/Fleshly/Jerusalem/Sin nature/Fallen Man/Law of Sin and Death as One Brass Mountain of Suffering…………And
    New Jerusalem/Mountain of God/Holy Place/Zion/Law of Life in Christ Jesus, the other Mountain of Suffering.

    The warring that is continual in the world and in our flesh seems to agree with this.

    Just thinking out loud about this idea.

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  27. ” When one seeks to demean,ostracize and silence another, JOHN 16:2 speaks to that
    which one does!”

    JOHN 16:2 “They shall put you out of the synagogues,yea, the time cometh that whosoever
    killeth you,will think that he doeth God a service!”

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  28. Lord Jesus please show me the intentions of my heart and if I have ever been guilty of silencing anyone or have I done what Thy has commissioned me to do ?

    Andre that was so beautiful I will post my thoughts after work tonight 🙂

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  29. Just to clarify, this thought is in response to what seems to be a pattern of silencing that seems to be taking place, with regards to HISOWN trying to speak and share what’s on her mind and seemingly being put in her place and having her view and or postion dismissed by another who for whatever reason has placed themself above everyone else.
    That is simply unacceptable in what should be an open forum.

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  30. Watchman2,

    This is from an earlier post by Hisown…

    “Right now I will not be participating in this discussion until the Lord gives me the understanding and unction from His Holy Spirit as to the ” why ” 🙂 ”

    This seems to be saying that Hisown would not participate until some directive from God…..but it does not appear that it was forced in anyway by one of us.

    Vic,
    Are you aware of any pattern to silence any of us? This idea of silencing any of us just doesn’t seem to appear, unless by me when I had already apologized for being a little sharp in a response.
    Is that what you are referring to Wacthman? If that is the case, then I certainly applogize to you and to any I could have offended in that way also.

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  31. this is a place of Grace. things always work out so no need for anyone to think to take things too personal in the afterall is there?. vic and rob both are good that way. and in the main–people who come here honor that as well. (and why i enjoy coming to this place–when you look at the whole there is much to glean from many hearts that really love Jesus) 😉

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  32. My words are misunderstood and will try and say it a little more plainer.

    I said.

    “Right now I will not be participating in this discussion until the Lord gives me the understanding and unction from His Holy Spirit as to the ” why ” 🙂 ”

    And meant 🙂 { remember I don’t talk ” American” } 🙂

    This ” discussion” meaning what was presented in the original thread which I REFUSE to debate and share the things that just don’t line up. 🙂

    I refuse to touch that with a ten foot pole right. I will leave it at that.

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  33. I loved that Andre’.Thank-you.

    This devotional is one of the most powerful confirmations I’ve ever read and will share this at a later time as the Lord permits. I will FWD the original e-mail to Vic as a testimony of God’s amazing truth that His WORD NEVER returns VOID ! The original e-mail was dated : Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:49 PM.

    Praise God that I had written a testimony of what the Holy Spirit had been leading me to in His Word { in my quiet time and of which no man knew of } and was led to share that with my spiritual mom in Christ { who had no idea of the written testimony before I walked into her front door } and how without her knowledge she blurted out BOTH of the verses I had asked God to confirm! Don’t you just love that!

    You would have to know her personally to understand her response to what was written and by no means is she one that will ever cover up or distort God’s Word or be swayed into anything that does not bear witness with her . She too has a very fine gift of discernment 🙂

    Don’t you just love how PERSONAL God is and how CLOSE He is to the brokenhearted!
    A powerful truth of a undeniable move of the Holy Spirit! I love it!

    If I may let me add a few more verses and a thought or two to the link you’ve shared.

    “Prophets who had once been holy became backslidden and no longer discerned between the holy and the profane.”

    Jer 5:31
    The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

    “The nation’s leaders became as ravening wolves, seeking after dishonest gain, shedding blood, speaking lies and burdening the poor.”

    2Pe 2:3
    And through covetousness shall they with…..>>>>>> feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

    “You’ve so despised holy things, giving yourselves completely over to lust, that I’m going to take away your witness!”

    Rev 2:5
    Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else……>>>>>>>> I will come unto thee quickly, and will …>>>>>>remove thy candlestick out of his place, ………>>>>>>except thou repent.

    “Ezekiel was an older man at this time, about to pass out of the picture. So how did God deal with the situation? He told Ezekiel, “I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none” (verse 30).

    Imagine it! Israel’s fate rested on whether God could find just one reliable, righteous man. Yet He said to Ezekiel, “I found none. Therefore have I poured out mine indignation upon them” (verses 30-31).”

    Isa 57:1
    The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none ………>>>>>>>>considering that the righteous is taken away ……>>>>>>>>>>>>from the evil to come.

    Could David Wilkerson be one of these men that God counted worthy ? I humbly believe so yes and pray that many of us would be counted worthy of this same honour before the horrors of the fast approaching coming tribulation descends upon us.

    Here is a small mini bible study { commentary } that was attached to that e-mail.

    WRATH IS SHOWN IN REMOVING THE BARRIERS TO ONCOMING JUDGMENTS. This is one point which the prophet would enforce. The death of good men should be regarded as a sign that calamity is at hand. Righteousness can held back judgment, as is seen in Abraham’s pleading for Sodom. Prayers and intercessions can hold back judgment. Then the removal of the righteous men and the intercessors removes barriers and lets free the flood.

    “The righteous is taken away from the evil to come …” (Isaiah 57:1). God here gave the reason why many of the righteous perished during those dreadful years. By their death, the righteous would escape the temptations of their godless environment, and they would not have to witness the awful punishment that would fall upon the godless nation. Thus, “Abijah’s death is represented as a blessing conferred upon him by God for his piety (1 Kings 14:10-14)”;[4] and the prophetess Huldah likewise promised Josiah that, “Thou shalt be gathered to thy grave in peace, neither shall thine eye see all the evil which I will bring upon this place” (2 Kings 22:20).

    “Those martyrs in the times of Manasseh were actually saved from the horrors of Judah’s approaching siege and captivity; and they entered into the peace of `Abraham’s bosom’ (Luke 16:22), there to await Christ’s resurrection.”[5]

    *http://sermons.worldchallenge.org/en/node/26177?src=devo-email

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  34. Sorry Shorttribber,.. I don’t buy it. It is not clearly derived,…it requires “an interpreter” and since we can’t just go to the “house of the interpreter” the way Christian does on his journey to the Celestial City and come by an answer,…many would lose their way. And God would not make the way that confusing for the simple traveler. In time I believe all will be able to understand. I can not say I understand it all at this point for sure, but this doesn’t work for me. But we must just pray the Lord will continue to open our understanding. The days are few. Please Lord WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND, in mercy light our way. Nkosazana

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  35. WRATH IS SHOWN IN REMOVING THE BARRIERS TO ONCOMING JUDGMENTS. This is one point which the prophet would enforce. The death of good men should be regarded as a sign that calamity is at hand. Righteousness can held back judgment, as is seen in Abraham’s pleading for Sodom. Prayers and intercessions can hold back judgment. Then the removal of the righteous men and the intercessors removes barriers and lets free the flood.
    amen to that response you gave hisown. it is time for You to act O LORD, for they have made void Your Law. ps 119:126….but we trust as His Blood Bought ones that we are not appointed unto wrath. Praise God the Father for shelter provided by way of His Son’s Cross. /

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  36. “Sorry Shorttribber,.. I don’t buy it. It is not clearly derived,…it requires “an interpreter” and since we can’t just go to the “house of the interpreter” the way Christian does on his journey to the Celestial City and come by an answer,…many would lose their way. And God would not make the way that confusing for the simple traveler.”

    That’s ok NKosazanna, it’s not an essential part of our pilgrimage on earth to comprehend anything other than the foundational truths contained in scripture…….basically, and in a nutshell “Christ and Him Crucified”.
    Every scripture requires interpretation however, but some are essential to our understanding of Christ, while others are not. The discussion about the horses/chariots and riders is nonessential……..but discussion concerning them is relevant to our understanding of complicated ideas that are prevalent throughout prophetic books.

    It’s not my primary intention to greatly sway or change the opinions of others but only to contribute and teach ideas that are scripturally sound and possible……..that May prove to be True.

    “But we must just pray the Lord will continue to open our understanding. The days are few. Please Lord WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND, in mercy light our way. Nkosazana”

    Absolutely, Amen.

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  37. Amen Nkosazana. I loved what you said here.

    “And God would not make the way that confusing for the simple traveler”

    I hate confusion.It’s not only evil but it’s fleshy!

    It’s full of pride.It’s full of envy!

    Come soon Lord Jesus.

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  38. confusion is babylon…….none of us here should be confused, thats a fleshly thing that is shed off of my spirit like water off a ducks back. i like Gavin Finlys you tube videos of daniels 70th week and the Jubilee cycles that are *…….MY GOD I HAVE NEVER SEEN A BETTER PRESENTATION than his, its updated and it brings into focus the blood moons of 2014/2015 and puts them in their proper place etc…be blessed for the justice day is coming

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  39. …also, in my estimation of things, the coming “prince” is most likely, prince will-i-am. Thats what maggie and i have concluded,…and sam was also of that persuasion. The rich men of the earth will see to it that this modern day “prince” will supposedly manifest humanitarian and mystical wonders,…it is then that mag will pull back the curtain and expose this wizard of OZ.

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  40. Shorttribber, I do concur however that I believe Zechariah and Revelations are somehow referencing the same events and the geographical directions are relevant indicators.
    In that, it is amazing that with the words spoken hundreds of years apart, in different situations, Scripture is so coherent and in many ways unconfusing. That indicates to me that a very clear situation is being described though from different angles. All prophecy pieces do fit together. It can only have been done by the awesome mind of God. It thrills me to see the immensity of what He has done and is doing. My land we have such an over the top amazing infinitely outstanding and terrifying God. How I long to live in His presence. Lord Jesus COME. Nkosazana

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  41. Also the fact that the pope wears white….interesting. I have never discounted him as an antichrist, I just don’t see him fulfilling the role, not the MAIN role. He clearly does have one to play. I liked Javier better,…and still believe he bears watching,..but clearly it isn’t bearing fruit yet. Prince William Tony? If we had to wait another 10 or 20 years maybe,…but I don’t think he has matured to this evil yet, and I think we are on the brink. So can’t go there at this time. Boy when we see the AOD I suppose a lot of us will just be blown away…and then probably the web will not allow us to talk about it and we will want to explode with our thoughts. Sigh. Nkosazana

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  42. everything thing you have written in the two above posts nkosazana is pretty much where i am at. almost word for word. 😉

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  43. Ya know Andre’ compared to a few years ago, denominational-ism seems such trivia now. I don’t care nearly as much about what we disagree about any more as I do that which we as dedicated followers of God agree upon. When He is first, everything else falls into place. Part of why heaven will function so well I suspect. Nkosazana

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  44. Hi all – I’ve been very sparse due to a heavy work schedule and needs in our home – but I wanted to float something that I’m noticing to see what everyone thinks.

    Ukraine is on the brink of a full blown revolution/civil war – I’m pretty sure Putin isn’t going to sit on his hands and let a very pro-Russian government fall. The EU and US will probably be very reluctant to get involved if the Russians are supporting the government (like Syria).

    Turkey is seeing their economy meltdown – stocks are crashing currency is a mess. They seem to be about to experience the same thing Ukraine is but with more muslims. I see a real weakening of the EU and a crisis for them if these two – Turkey and Ukraine move more solidly into the Russian sphere of influence. Also it’s a perfect set-up for the Ezekiel 38 alliance.

    Your thoughts?

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  45. ” That indicates to me that a very clear situation is being described though from different angles. All prophecy pieces do fit together. It can only have been done by the awesome mind of God. It thrills me to see the immensity of what He has done and is doing.”

    Absolutely agree

    ” I don’t care nearly as much about what we disagree about any more as I do that which we as dedicated followers of God agree upon.”

    Amen again

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  46. i agree that when the spirit of “sam” rises up in “mag”, and “maggie” pulls the curtain back – that the imposter will be fully revealed / exposed!, and it will be ole’ billy boy…he will be 33 yrs old on june 21st summer solstice – the sun king – prince will-i-am.

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  47. …hi Rob, good to see you,…my thoughts are the psalm 83 war comes to set the stage for ezk 38 war. i think that Bill Salus showed that to be biblically accurate. are you in the know concerning Bills research?,….its phenomenal to consider.

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  48. Tony,
    The Gavin Finly position looks Primarily the same as the common seven year trib idea with the feasts incorporated and now the Blood Moons….not much it seems is really that much differing from others of such like.

    We’ll know very soon I think the decoy or partial fulfillments from the Actual and Primary One that is not a shadow or type, but the Real McCoy so to speak.

    Until then, we wait, trust and do our best to love each other and press on.

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  49. actually i mighta shoulda told ya all, you’ve kinda got to watch his series of videos to get the all of it,…there is his youtube channel with a series… and some pretty amazing work done on timelines! you’ve got to dig in beneath the surface layer to get to the “good stuff”!

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  50. i know someone who looks at bill clinton as the most likely canidate for the AC,…after watching some video presentations on clintons life and the depths of his political carear i can begin to see why. But truly what amazes me the most is the LOVE of GOD, our Eternal FATHER…a personal father, Yahweh! He delights in us, He loves us. He wants us in close connection with Him, intimately believing

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  51. I did just look at the basic outline of things and didn’t dig very far….it just all looked so familiar ya’know….anyway when I got more time i’ll check further into it k?

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  52. “Have you been paying attention to what has been happening in Argentina, Venezuela, Brazil, Ukraine, Turkey and China? If you are like most Americans, you have not been. Most Americans don’t seem to really care too much about what is happening in the rest of the world, but they should. In major cities all over the globe right now, there is looting, violence, shortages of basic supplies, and runs on the banks. We are not at a “global crisis” stage yet, but things are getting worse with each passing day. For a while, I have felt that 2014 would turn out to be a major “turning point” for the global economy, and so far that is exactly what it is turning out to be. The following are 20 early warning signs that we are rapidly approaching a global economic meltdown…”

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/20-early-warning-signs-that-we-are-approaching-a-global-economic-meltdown

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  53. imagine,….’ SHEKINA GLORY.’.. blessings people of God Almighty! …just wanted to bring that up, as in, Oh my GOD!

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  54. “Gavin Finleys research points intrically to the last 7 yrs being 2014…….this matches w/ the ENPI”

    Yes, his research shows that, the problem is that the Only Blood Moons are IN the “Supposed” First Half (3.5) year period according to his idea ………………..and virtually NOTHING of Significance, as far I Signs or Earmark Events is there for the “Supposed” Second Half.

    Basically, what he sees as the First Half, with the Blood Moon Timing, will actually be the Events of the Second Half, beginning with the AOD sometime mid April this year…..or sometime near that…………………AOD does not Necessarily need to be ON the Actual Night of the Blood Moon.

    The ENPI to come is a Decoy IMO.

    Could be that some will recognize whatever may soon occur as the AOD, and be Correct….see Math 24:15………but some will think it is a Peace Agreement Act of some kind relating to a 7 year idea.

    We’ll see very soon I think……anyone who Truly Loves God more than life itself will not be
    Ultimately fooled though……….in that, I think we all agree.

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  55. Tony I love Gavin’s soft spoken gentle spirit and am able to listen to him{ in the past } without being frustrated but unfortunately he is off on his timing , understanding of the 70th week and who the Prince is who makes the covenant with many. Pray for him that the Lord be the One to show him.Only He is able 🙂

    Mr Shorttribber I agree!

    The soon casting out of Satan and the AOD is right around the corner.Michael the Archangel is RESTRAINING the man of sin from being revealed being the PROTECTOR of Israel…… but not for too much longer!

    Michael is removed so the lawless one can be revealed.There is war – dragon, Satan and his angles { the unholy three- some } are cast to earth and the start of the 42 month trib. All h*&& breaks loose on earth and MANY ARE DECEIVED into thinking this is ” jesus”.Satan makes war with the woman and her seed – which is us 🙂 Many will fall away and the massive betrayal of family members begin { sheezz I thought that only happens in the tribulation} but suppose there has to be some starting point prior to that !

    No wonder the RCC church has done such a good job of painting a ” image ” of Jesus. The typical blue eyed pretty boy!!Oh Lord God please show mercy on those that ” worship” this other Jesus!

    Sudden destruction and world chaos.It’s diabolical.It’s very close!

    “Could be that some will recognize whatever may soon occur as the AOD, and be Correct….see Math 24:15………but some will think it is a Peace Agreement Act of some kind relating to a 7 year idea.

    We’ll see very soon I think……anyone who Truly Loves God more than life itself will not be
    Ultimately fooled though……….in that, I think we all agree.”

    Soon yes!

    God KNOWS who are His. Whew that reassures my heart like nothing else 🙂

    Even IF possible the very elect will be deceived so pray for your loved ones and friends that don’t seem to see the URGENCY of the hour.Pray that God will give us a heart of compassion and love for those still blinded.For HIS glory alone!

    Praying for Israel!

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  56. “Mr Shorttribber I agree!
    The soon casting out of Satan and the AOD is right around the corner.Michael the Archangel is RESTRAINING the man of sin from being revealed being the PROTECTOR of Israel…… but not for too much longer!”

    yep

    “Soon yes!
    God KNOWS who are His. Whew that reassures my heart like nothing else :)”

    Absolutely, very reassuring.

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  57. “take heart! our Victor calls us all–come stand in the Light! love to you all in the Great and Mighty Name of Jesus Christ the LORD!”

    Amen……and add…….”go ye out to meet Him soon and do not slumber. Ready your lamps and fill up your vessels with oil……..A light on a hill can not be hid….stand on Mt. Zion with your lamps full. The Hill of the Lord is as the hill of Bashan, an High Hill as the hill of Bashan.”

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  58. Ps. 68

    15 The hill of God is as the hill of Bashan; an high hill as the hill of Bashan.

    16 Why leap ye, ye high hills? this is the hill which God desireth to dwell in; yea, the LORD will dwell in it for ever.

    17 The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.

    18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

    19 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits, even the God of our salvation. Selah.

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  59. Hab. 3
    13 Thou wentest forth for the salvation of thy people, even for salvation with thine anointed; thou woundedst the head out of the house of the wicked, by discovering the foundation unto the neck. Selah.

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  60. “\ 0 / …be ye filled with the Holy Spirit. everything that can be, will be shaken. ……..to The Rock!!!”

    I’m gonna need some Run’n and Shout’n space in just a minute!!!!!!!

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  61. Rev 14:13
    And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

    25 dead whales found on Florida coast.

    Sob.

    My father in law lives on Marco Island { must be one of the most beautiful beaches I’ve seen in the world } and pray that this will be a wake up call for many.

    God’s Word has not retuned void.

    Wake up sleepy virgins!

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/24/22429990-25-dead-whales-found-on-florida-coast-noaa?lite=

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  62. peace brothers n sisters in the Lord Jesus,…peace be with you. praying for you and thinking of you lots loop, Gods blessings. /// i still think “maggie” is fixin’ to pull back the curtain and expose the mighty oz.,..in the spirit of the little pistol, “sammy”! sparks**** will be-a-flyin’! Tribbers probably out runnin’ laps in the texas district right about now, shoutin’ out all about the Jesus!!! rock on Rick. i’ll be go ta heck

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  63. Do you not think there is something fairly valid if you look at the directions of the four horsemen given in Zechariah with the traditional “tasking” of the riders given in Revelations.

    Black horse (scales/inflation) rides to the north (as in the EU?).
    Red horse (destroys peace and instigates slaying of people) to the east (as in the muslim turf)
    White horse (conqueror) from the west (as in a country will military muscle manipulating other countries)
    Pale horse (sword, famine, plague, wild beasts) riding to the south as in Egypt and Africa.

    Seems to reflect a famiiar situation of today….. Nkosazana

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  64. No doubt a very valid consideration…..like I said before…..prophecy is multi-layered…….many, many examples of that.

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  65. “That indicates to me that a very clear situation is being described though from different angles. ”

    This is a way you are describing something such as a building, seen from Only the Top, all you see is the roof……but when viewed from the side……you can see how many Floors/Layers it has.

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  66. Not much really Tony that I can think of. Only thing that can be understood is that the Foundational Spiritual Tools of the Loser are the same ones he uses against Us and Kingdoms to entice Servants of Death to oppose the Kingdom of God.

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  67. “Black horse (scales/inflation) rides to the north (as in the EU?).
    Red horse (destroys peace and instigates slaying of people) to the east (as in the muslim turf)
    White horse (conqueror) from the west (as in a country will military muscle manipulating other countries)
    Pale horse (sword, famine, plague, wild beasts) riding to the south as in Egypt and Africa.

    Seems to reflect a famiiar situation of today….. Nkosazana”

    Hope you don’t mind the use of your words in the above quote to show the association of ideas I’m suggesting to yours.

    Black horse (scales/inflation) rides to the north (as in the EU?)………………Rebellion and Greed.(What’s the primary Root of Inflation?)

    Red horse (destroys peace and instigates slaying of people) to the east (as in the muslim turf)………………Hatred and War.(No-brainer)

    White horse (conqueror) from the west (as in a country will military muscle manipulating other countries)………………Self-righteousness and Self-worth (USA attitude)

    Pale horse (sword, famine, plague, wild beasts) riding to the south as in Egypt and Africa…………Idolatry and Antichrist ( Death and Hell Always Follow)

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  68. i found gavin finleys research on the 70th week of daniel in connection with the jubilee cycles and the appointed times[feast days] to be fascinating,…then he uses mathematical precision to show the tight fit it all has with the 1335 days of revelation: great trib. may the spirit of truth move upon you all to take a good honest look at the whole presentation. it is very wonderful….please take your time and allow yourself the time, in Christ…blessings and agape….Shalom, amen

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  69. “I see the correlation to the first three,..less so the fourth? Nkosazana”

    Easy to see the parallel of Egypt to Idolatry……Same is true with Africa

    (sword, famine, plague, wild beasts) …………Idolatry and Antichrist ( Death and Hell Always Follow)

    seems to fit for me anyway……just say’n

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  70. “Isis and Anubis okay….Antichrist? There replacement? Okay, but it will be so with all, not just the south?”

    What is to be understood in general it seems is antichrist spirit is really in many places, but the understanding that it traveled South in Zech 6 was just at that time in the vision…..it is everywhere and has a greater or lesser effect based on many things I guess.
    But will have the Final and Greatest effect on World events later….at the end.

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  71. that chris white is VERY THROUGH in his presentations, i have noticed that before. Good to see that gavin finley has made his connect. i watched it nkosazana and i will watch it again as my attention drifted from time to time. thanks

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  72. i just wanted to say Nkosazana, that the prince and power of the air can make use of prince will-i-am no matter how we view william. this boy/man, whatever his maturity level may be, is steeped in evil

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  73. No argument Tony. I am not absolutely sure of hardly anything about this endtime scenario except who wins. The rest is just constantly unfolding.

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  74. me too, thanks and God be with you…. let us all be 4 each other! after all, if God be for us, who can be against us. The Trurt Wins!

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  75. TRUTH, that is,…true TRUTH as opposed to some sorta false truth. /// The Truth is the Truth and even if no one believes it, its still the TRUTH! a lie, on the other hand is a lie, and even if everyone believes it, its still a lie!

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