thanx Vic………it helps to stand back a little to see it also….it’s a fuzzy see through sort of image that is better seen from a little distance.
Are you able at all to see the Scull-like/Serpent-like head on the opposite side of the alter of incense?
It’s down somewhat lower in relation to the Circled image of God, or Representation of God, or Whatever is more Accurate to Call it..
we are blessed by this powerfully, beautiful, deeply symbolic painting, Rick. i give thanks,….as the blessing, to me, goes beyond words…..into a type of perfect peace and deep rooted, [ tap root ] connectedness to HIS LOVE FOR US. talk about, makin’ my day!!!
I am so lifted over the return of JESUS,…WE ARE FREE, INDEED. you can bet that i’ve been resting for this testing,……and counting out time! Let us Rejoice!, for the supper of the Mighty One, LORD of lords, KING of kings!
Hi EHG,
It’s a depiction of a vision I had long ago. Did you read the other Thread about the details of the vision?
As I said in other places, the Ark of the Covenant and the Wilderness Tabernacle MAY EFFECT end-time events soon….that’s why i mentioned them and sent Vic the pics to post
to begin with.
Mr ST…. I love you in Christ Jesus for your excitement and enthusiasm, and yes i read your post but really– come on now. Jesus instructed us to have no false gods before Him. Being raised Roman Catholic, I learned how terribly deceived I was when He saved me from worshiping relics, idols etc. and still, years later, i must keep casting those idols down. Are you sure you are not setting up an alter of worship by a hand-made idol here? Jesus said, “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free”. John 8:32. The ark and the covenant has come and gone. What’s with the big secret anyway?
“Are you sure you are not setting up an alter of worship by a hand-made idol here? Jesus said, “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free”. John 8:32. The ark and the covenant has come and gone. What’s with the big secret anyway?”
What is it that you think i’m wanting people to Worship…..the Ark, the Painting, or the Image in the Painting? GOD FORBID! Not at all!
The Ark of the Covenant is not Just “Come and Gone” Christ’s BLOOD, HIS OWN BLOOD…the BLOOD of Our High Priest…………IS ON…..the Mercy Seat…..Literally ON IT.
Christ, Our High Priest Sprinkled His ONW BLOOD ON IT.
Even so…….THAT BEING SO…………..we Can Not Worship IT!
I’m saying that It and the Wilderness Tabernacle MAY THOUGH have some relevant PART in End Time EVENTS….and that’s ALL i’m saying.
Dear ST, if you would not mind so much, could you please open in Scripture where Jesus spoke of the end times in where the and Ark of the Covenant and the Wilderness Tabernacle is mentioned. Thank you my friend…I really appreciate it!
It is not essential is it that Jesus Himself spoke Directly of them is it? Is it not possible that Other Prophetic texts of the Bible be applied as possible references to them?
Such as……..
Rev 12
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
What these “Two Wings” are, or Represent is speculation by Any Commentators I’ve ever read. Could it be that these “Wings” are Represented in the Vision of John, of the Cherubim’s Wings on the Ark of the Covenant that Cover the mercy Seat?
It’s as good of explanation as any opinions I’ve ever heard of What the “Wings” the 144,000 are……………Given………….in John’s Vision.
Remember, the Text Says …………..they are ……….GIVEN………these “WINGS”.
Next…….the Tabernacle….
2Thes. 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
That word “Temple” is best translated as the word “Tabernacle” in English.
That’s where the Wilderness Tabernacle COULD work as “A TABERNACLE” that the Loser COULD SIT IN…..and Defile.
That’s What I’m saying………the 144,000 could be “Given” the Ark of the Covenant, somehow, miraculously by God, and Flee into the Wilderness with it, leaving the Tabernacle Behind, MAYBE, to be taken to the Temple Mount for the use of the Loser to Defile.
Again….i’m just thinking and guessing about the Possibility of some things, and that’s All.
Here also is the Description of Cherubim
“The prophet Ezekiel describes the cherubim as a tetrad of living creatures, each having four faces—of a lion, an ox,………………………… an eagle………………………, and a man—the stature and hands of a man, the feet of a calf, and four wings. “
Praise God we don’t have to guess or speculate what Jesus instructed when He instructed….
“But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.” – Matthew 5:27
“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” – Rev 22:19
“And what agreement hath the TEMPLE of God with idols? for YE are the TEMPLE of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” – 2 Corin 6:16
“Praise God we don’t have to guess or speculate what Jesus instructed when He instructed”
Until we have Perfect Understanding of All He Said, we are All limited by speculation.
““But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.” – Matthew 5:27”
What does what I have posted have anything to do with Swearing by God, Heaven, God’s Throne or earth?
““And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” – Rev 22:19”
How have I Added to or Taken From any Part of any book of Prophecy…be it the Revelation of Christ, by John, or Any other of the 65 books of the Bible?
““And what agreement hath the TEMPLE of God with idols? for YE are the TEMPLE of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” – 2 Corin 6:16”
How have I ANY Communion/Fellowship/Agreement with Idols in Anything I’ve posted?
Tell me if I see it correctly. I see something that looks like a side profile of a face with a sharp nose, a lot like Montgomery Burns.
Now let me give you my thoughts on it. I do not see God. I see a picture of a crucifixion representing Christ over a representation of the arc of the covenant. I read the artists thoughts of the Blood of the Lamb dripping on the mercy seat below the cross and by that act covers and cleanses the sins of the nations forever. Were the blood of animals on the mercy seat could not wash sins away, the Blood of the Lamb does a once of and perfect job.
I am reading the comments and I do not want to interfere with the discussion. I do now that comments on a web page can be totally misunderstood. I have been taken out on this page by many because of what they think I have said verses what I really meant to say. I understand what ST tries to tell us and I also understand the people who oppose him. I am also against images of Jesus or relics that leads to idolatry.
BUT, I do see ST trying to explain to us what the picture symbolizes for him. I have not seen him telling anyone that the face in the picture is God. I do understand when he says that he sees an face that he was not painting on purpose that symbolizes the Father looking on to the completed work of Jesus on the cross. If I try to explain something and I draw a picture with circle next to a cross to represent the Father looking on to the Son, will it make the circle an image of God or even God?
Tony, no, it is not God in the picture. No picture on earth can ever comprehend the GLORY of our Father.
Yes, you are right, Vic.
Our comments are easily misunderstood.
I can understand and appreciate the picture for what it intends to portray, with the torn curtain, the cross, and the Mercy seat.
(And i DO appreciate Shorttribber.)
But that ‘metaphysical’ misty face, still makes me ill at ease.
Just as ‘EnforcingHisGrace’ is sensitive to Catholic style mysticism and imagery, so am I. Nowadays, I’m very wary of ‘images’ on the whole.
“I am sorry. I do not wish to offend. But I find the circled ‘image of God’ really spooky.
And hasn’t God forbidden us to make images?”
God has forbidden us to make images for the Purpose To Worship them.
I did not Make the image of the Representation of God that is circled. And the Painting itself is not For Worship at all. God Alone it to be Worshiped.
“Tell me if I see it correctly. I see something that looks like a side profile of a face with a sharp nose, a lot like Montgomery Burns. ”
Yes, you’re seeing the profile……to see the other angle, you will find that the face is looking over, and the direction of the alter of incense at a three quarter angle.
When looking at the profile, your seeing the right cheekbone and right eye etc.
When viewing the face at the three quarter/more frontal angle, the right cheekbone of the profile becomes the Left cheekbone, and the right eye of the profile becomes the left eye of the more frontal view.
” I do understand when he says that he sees an face that he was not painting on purpose that symbolizes the Father looking on to the completed work of Jesus on the cross. ‘
Yes, exactly, very well stated again……..thankyou……..and it is nothing more than Symbolic.
And if God helped it end up in the painting, I can only perceive in my heart and mind that He wanted it there for that Symbolic Reason Only.
An interesting thing that I clearly remember also is this. while painting the section of the ark, at the bottom left corner, the area that is now the nose portion of the profile view, I made that section of the ark and the reflection of it incorrect.
The more pale section of paint that you see that forms the entire nose of the profile view is where I painted over my initial mistake. It just has always stuck out in my mind that if I had not made and then corrected that initial error, the two views of the same face would not have ended up in the painting to begin with.
Shorttribber,
I understand you haven’t made a painting to be worshipped. Never insinuated that.
I have artist believing friends, and I think I can appreciate that art can convey messages of truth beautifully.
I can also see the misty face, both front and prophile (am a ‘pictoral’ thinker myself).
However, as to God revealing Himself in that way (like Montgomery Burns) remains something I am very dubious to.
But I do not doubt your love for the Lord.
New Age Vomit Mysticism is Noting I will ever touch…..the Rotten Stench of the Loser has been all over Eastern Mysticism since the Tower Of Babel.
I’m very much aware of it and stay so far from it it would make yer head spin.
That’s one of the reasons why the sermons i get are primarily ones I read from my books printed in the late 1500s thru the late 1700s.
Basically, modern Christianity, Laodicean , Apostate Filth and Dung…….makes me want to Puke.
But ONE THING remains the SAME in the Body of Christ that God Himself will Change.
And that is…………………Discord and Division……………………Thank God….He…..WILL CHANGE THAT……………………………..Before He Comes.
None of us are Inerrant in Doctrine…..None of us…..Not ONE SINGLE Christian.
Good Gave us, as GIFTS to the Church, The Fivefold Ministry………….Teachers being One OF THEM.
If we even Once thing we NEED NO TEACHER……other than the Personal Ministry of the Holy Spirit, who is our Greatest Teacher………..then we are Only Deceiving Ourselves.
“However, as to God revealing Himself in that way (like Montgomery Burns) remains something I am very dubious to.
But I do not doubt your love for the Lord.”
Who is Montgomery Burns?
I am not saying either, that He was “Revealing Himself”, I am saying, that God was Proving in a Symbolic Way, that the VISION I had WAS TRUELY From Him.
And the Entire Vision was Confirmed by the Actual Events that Happened when Our Lord was Crucified.
‘If we even Once think we NEED NO TEACHER……other than the Personal Ministry of the Holy Spirit, who is our Greatest Teacher………..then we are Only Deceiving Ourselves.”
This is NOT directed to ANYBODY here so please don’t ASSume that please!
I think I will rather TRUST the anointing of the Holy Spirit above the words of men Shelly and if that makes me SELF deceived…then may God be the One to show me that 🙂 He has promised He would!
I loved Holly’s latest post 😉
The Bible is clear: false prophets are wolves that devour unsuspecting sheep.
Jesus said:
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.” (Matthew 7:15)
And the apostle Paul had this to say about false teachers.
“I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.” (Acts 20:29-30).
Despite these clear warnings from an apostle and even Jesus himself, many people are still naive to the threat. So, my question for you is, “Are you easy prey for false prophets?”
The answer is yes if any of the following statements–drawn from Scripture–describe you.
You think God won’t allow you to be deceived. I’ve often heard it said, by people in the New Apostolic Reformation movement, that we should not worry about false prophets because God will not allow His people to be deceived. But if you believe you can’t be deceived, then you are ignoring numerous warnings in Scripture about the need to guard against false prophets and false teachers (Matthew 7:15; Acts 20:29-30; 2 Peter 2:1).
You are overly impressed by the miraculous. Many people are so dazzled by miracles they automatically assume the miracle-worker must have been sent from God. If this describes you, then you are in danger of falling victim to false prophets who, according to Scripture, will perform “great signs and wonders” (Matthew 24:24; Revelation 13:11-15).
You don’t know sound principles of biblical interpretation. You may read the Bible and think you know it well. But you have not done the hard work of learning how to read it correctly using the historical-grammatical approach. This means that you rip verses out of context or spiritualize them when they are meant to be taken at face value. Anyone who reads the Bible in these ways is susceptible to being lead astray by false prophets (2 Peter 3:15-17).
You think you are extra-special to God and deserve to have your desires fulfilled. False prophets will tell people whatever they want to hear–including promising them the fulfillment of their desires for worldly pleasures, such as money and sex (2 Timothy 4:3-4; 2 Peter 2:18;Jude 1:4). You are a sitting duck for false prophets if you are driven by pride and a pursuit of pleasure rather than truth.
You put too much trust in people. You think if someone is a church leader and likeable, then he or she must be a godly person. But you are not heeding the warnings in Scripture about false prophets and false teachers who disguise themselves as true believers (Matthew 7:15;Jude 1:12-13).
You do not value doctrine. You think doctrine is dry and knowledge of doctrine is not essential to having a vibrant faith. You may even believe that doctrine kills faith. If so, you might be among those people who mockingly refer to churches that emphasize doctrine as “dead” and to seminaries that teach doctrine as “cemeteries.” But the apostle John is clear that doctrine should be used as a litmus test for evaluating prophets (1 John 4:1-3).
Can you think of other statements that should be added to my list?
thanks for posting the picture larger for me to more easily see. i see a beautiful depiction of the Cross and it’s meaning. i see nothing about it to worship but in my mind what it stirs is a reverence for the Father’s broken-heart in giving His Sinless Son as the offering for sin. and the eyes that i see are making me think of the mystery of God come down to wear the shame of our humanity. eyes that do not condemn but eyes that seem to be as though a question for us is behind them. (will you believe?…) i do not find it creepy. i do not find it reminding me of other worldly relics that people want to worship (shroud of turin). the blue and the scarlet remind me of the torn veil. i am taking shorttribber’s painting at face value and i appreciate that i see the Gospel revealed in it. it is highly symbolic is all that i see here. i too have been given some beautiful powerful personal expressions that the Lord has occasionally let me share. have been met with the same reactions. some just enter the same awe and wonder as i had when it was given to me-some want to read what is not there. so be it. God knows our hearts and why we see what we “see”. shorttribbers testimony here (as much as you and i can know) is to glorify and honor Jesus as Lord. i do not know anything thing other than that so i go on what i know at this point-the painting is pointing to Jesus. that’s enough for me. if there is other than that i will let the Holy Spirit show that to me. thanks tribber for the message of the picture and what you shared happened to you to make it worthy of putting on canvas. may the Lord use this as a tool to reveal what is really in our own hearts and take that to Jesus Alone — as worship — or if needed-confession that brings rightful worship to Christ-or if it does not speak that way to you then be convinced in your own mind)-by the Only One Who can rightly discern for us and He will (yes the Holy Spirit is our Teacher) i ask Him and He answers. He promises to direct me-or you-away from anything that does not honor Christ as God’s Worthy Sacrifice for sin. love to all in His Name.
Thank you for your transparency with us and for taking a risk in sharing your experiences, a vision and the resulting art. Its not easy to put one’s self out there in the open like that.
With that said, I really don’t know what to make of this. For the longest time when I saw your little gravatar icon of the painting I thought, “Wow that’s odd that Shorty would have something that looked like a creepy skull as his avatar”. It’s really just what I saw when I couldn’t see the whole painting. Now that I’ve seen it in a larger format – I understand what you’ve explained and how you were making every effort to honor the Lord and share what you’d seen with your brothers and sisters. There is much I see in the painting now that is quite beautiful and certainly brings glory to God.
I am glad though we have many here who look up on any thing that is brought forward here – and immediately open their Bibles for guidance/wisdom to discern as to what it is. I do grow concerned as others do when a suggestion is made that an image was placed a in a painting unknowingly/supernaturally and it is indirectly suggested that it was put there by God. Don’t mistake me – I’m not tearing down the painting I think it was made by a faithful man who wishes to honor his Lord. At the same time I do not accept that God would break his own second commandment (exodus 20:4) by moving a person in the spirit to create divine images that he was not aware of. I believe we need to test every spirit as the scripture says and see if it is from God- by studying the scriptures and see if the spirit that moved such a thing possesses all the same attributes as God. We are fragile and flawed men and women by our nature – I know with what I write and what I say, I make my best effort to speak only as the Lord would want, but I know that in that I am too susceptible to error and the influence of things that are not from God.
I hope that you will be encouraged though to keep honoring the Lord in your work, your writing and your painting because if we all just stopped the first time we made an error or had our work influenced by something that was not of God then the enemy wins in our life and we are not lifting our voices to glorify God and giving of the best of our work to glorify God. You are a blessing to us, as are all the faithful students of the Word that seek to know truth from error and have true fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit by sorting through all the things we experience, see, hear and touch with the unfailing unchanging truth of his eternal word which he gave us so that we might know in everything what is from him and what is not.
Thankyou Justasheep,
when you said though….
“At the same time I do not accept that God would break his own second commandment (exodus 20:4) by moving a person in the spirit to create divine images that he was not aware of.”
This command was not about Making the Image Alone, It is a command Not To Make…AND Worship them………and that is all. If it were not so………we could not Paint Anything on earth of any created thing of ANY Kind.
I am not above correction you are right. I also take that command to apply more strictly to creating an image that we might label as a an image of God the Father, God the Son or God the Holy Spirit. I become genuinely uncomfortable, probably because of my Catholic upbringing, with anything that claims to be a representation of any of the three persons of the Trinity. The presence of so many statues and portraits within that church now make me very uneasy, and help me to understand why God made it such a clear prohibition in scripture. I have to admit some uncertainty as you point to about whether it prohibits any graphical representation of God, Lord knows I have many even images in my home, even children’s storybooks that have pictures of Jesus particularly and we certainly don’t worship any of those. I do think given that its the second of the Ten Commandments we should approach any analysis of or discussion about images that represent a member of the Trinity with an abundance of caution, much like we approach the throne now and in the future – with caution and humility since the one that sits on it is certainly not a tame lion (little nod to C.S. Lewis, see how I did that 😉 )
So then, i’m sure you must understand then that God would not have contradicted Himself by influencing my painting by placing in it, a Symbol or Representation of Himself………I know He did not contradict Himself in doing so.
And I am Absolutely Certain that there was No Other influence than He Himself.
personally i think the images vague enough that they are not trying to reveal actual faces, but the revealing is the whole statement the picture makes. the young girl who paints and says it is God that shows her the face to paint of Jesus and the little boy who said in his book that that really looks like Jesus (about when he died and went to heaven as a 4 year old) are the ones who bring big questions to my mind because so specific. that does give me great pause. shorttribber’s depiction is mystical yes–because God is mysterious to the finite such as ourselves–as long as it’s symbolism is in keeping with what the Bible teaches there does not have to be any wrong incurred to view (imo at least)…..but we must always keep ourselves under the sway and influence of the Lord’s Spirit as He opens the Word to us to interpret anything-prophecy, paintings, writings, videos, etc. our own experiences even. we know the devil’s job is to deceive and he can do that if we let him-from any vantage point (pro or con)-in viewing anything. something or somebody else receives the Glory meant for God when the devil is using it and he can make things look quite “innocent”. i must “test the spirits” is God’s instruction and oh how i and we need the Spirit’s Counsel and Discernment in these days…………….
“personally i think the images vague enough that they are not trying to reveal actual faces, but the revealing is the whole statement the picture makes.”
André,
the painting girl in question, ‘Akiane’, tells on her own blog how she had a workman (from Eastern Europe) sit model for that painting. And Akiane’s message as a whole is completely New Age! It’s the old ‘one world religion’.
For this reason, it is extra creepy that the little boy, who [whose parents] claim he went to heaven (and saw Jesus on a rainbow horse), says Akiane’s ‘Jesus’ is exactly the one he met in heaven!
It is so seductive to trust in feelings and experiences – especially those we find pleasant. We have to test ourselves, too!
(One woman writes of the ‘outpouring’ in Sweden, that she and her family have all fallen backwards at a similar meeting. And because they ‘soaked in loveliness’ she is convinced it must be from God.)
“the painting girl in question, ‘Akiane’, tells on her own blog how she had a workman (from Eastern Europe) sit model for that painting. And Akiane’s message as a whole is completely New Age! It’s the old ‘one world religion’.
For this reason, it is extra creepy that the little boy, who [whose parents] claim he went to heaven (and saw Jesus on a rainbow horse), says Akiane’s ‘Jesus’ is exactly the one he met in heaven!”
Don’t know of or heard about that Junk….but yer right on there Ingela…..New Age Vomit.
that’s why Andre’ said this”’
” the young girl who paints and says it is God that shows her the face to paint of Jesus and the little boy who said in his book that that really looks like Jesus (about when he died and went to heaven as a 4 year old) are the ones who bring big questions to my mind because so specific. that does give me great pause.”
“Great Pause” in my way of understanding it means………It’s a bunch of Dung.
here’s a major thumbs up my dear friends. i had the privilege of leading an old gentleman to Jesus tonight! i felt it this afternoon that i must go see him. (i barely know this man -have only spoken to him twice). i opened my Bible right to the verse mark13:11…do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say, but say whatever is given to you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. we had a real straight talk. he has been failing in health for the last month. bottom line he said: Jesus take me. Jesus forgive me. his name is now written in the Lamb’s Book of life! Praise and Glory is Yours Lord–All Yours.
Hi ShortTribber, Thank you for your patience and I apologize for not responding as quickly as I thought I might have been able to have done so upon reading this article.
You wrote: The Ark of the Covenant is not Just “Come and Gone” Christ’s BLOOD, HIS OWN BLOOD…the BLOOD of Our High Priest…………IS ON…..the Mercy Seat…..Literally ON IT.
Your above commit(s) make me question if you are a new age Seventh Day Adventist member. May I ask if you are a SDA because the photo of you and Mr. Wyatt leads me to believe that you align yourself with his teaching…which are Seventh Day. Am I wrong?
“Your above commit(s) make me question if you are a new age Seventh Day Adventist member. May I ask if you are a SDA because the photo of you and Mr. Wyatt leads me to believe that you align yourself with his teaching…which are Seventh Day. Am I wrong?”
No, i’m not SDA, and I believe he or anyone has their Choice, and accordingly to choose Their Exact understanding of the Sabbath rest according to their Own Conscience and the Word of God.
His understanding of the Sabbath made no difference to me….God can use or do as He chooses, that it is very much evident though history.
Why would a photo though, lead you to believe that I align myself with his teaching, I don’t understand?
Hi ST, Don’t want to be difficult here, but please understand that presenting a mystical interpretation or opinion of a vision of a “symbolic” painting and attempting to back it with “speculations” from the Holy Scripture leaves little room for unadulterated sound doctrine (my take only).
“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good”. 1 Thes 5:21 & 2 Tim 4:3
Regarding the blood of The Lord Jesus Christ, Mr. Wyatt specifies that the blood flowed through a (20-60′[depending where one reads]) crack in earth and landing on the top side of ‘ark of the covenant’. From what has been gathered, there is NO real evidence or documentation that physically ties into this as a truth. The clinical facility where the said blood was tested (for the amount of chromosomes) was never made known to the public; only spoke of as a “clinic in Israel”. Would you help me in finding the name of the clinic?
… the art of the covenant is all inclusive. If one reads Hebrews 8 and 9, it given for edification and understanding to the Born-Again, regenerated believer simply as stated…Nothing more, nothing less.
Although in many of his public presentations Wyatt did not emphasize his personal theological underpinnings, he was in fact a devoted Seventh Day Adventist.
“Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.” James 1:27
It’s true that Ron was a Sabbath Keeper, and was, before I knew him, SDA….he did leave SDA….but continued to keep the Sabbath…..and that’s all I know about it.
I never bothered to ask why and I never cared….still don’t.
If we have in us in Any Way….Any Leaven….we are not able to be Used of God? Is that what you’re saying?
” From what has been gathered, there is NO real evidence or documentation that physically ties into this as a truth.”
No….there is evidence, but he agreed to keep all as it stands now based on his agreement with the Israeli government….any more about it could have caused mass chaos based on it’s present location in the west bank.
“The clinical facility where the said blood was tested (for the amount of chromosomes) was never made known to the public; only spoke of as a “clinic in Israel”. Would you help me in finding the name of the clinic?”
True…and no I can’t.
Again I will say that God can use who he chooses.
If all you have inquired of are his critics, you must certainly examine
HIS evidence for All the other Finds before you can draw a reasonable conclusion on this matter.
That’s all i’m saying….search it out…quit listening to just one side….get past the idea that God could not use someone that is not perfect.
” presenting a mystical interpretation or opinion of a vision of a “symbolic” painting and attempting to back it with “speculations” from the Holy Scripture leaves little room for unadulterated sound doctrine ”
I don’t understand this at all, i’m sorry…..the painting is only a color representation of a vision I had………and that’s all it is………the images in it are just there. In what manner have I tried to “back it” with scripture?
UNSEALED PROPHECY 
thanx Vic………it helps to stand back a little to see it also….it’s a fuzzy see through sort of image that is better seen from a little distance.
Are you able at all to see the Scull-like/Serpent-like head on the opposite side of the alter of incense?
It’s down somewhat lower in relation to the Circled image of God, or Representation of God, or Whatever is more Accurate to Call it..
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we are blessed by this powerfully, beautiful, deeply symbolic painting, Rick. i give thanks,….as the blessing, to me, goes beyond words…..into a type of perfect peace and deep rooted, [ tap root ] connectedness to HIS LOVE FOR US. talk about, makin’ my day!!!
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I am so lifted over the return of JESUS,…WE ARE FREE, INDEED. you can bet that i’ve been resting for this testing,……and counting out time! Let us Rejoice!, for the supper of the Mighty One, LORD of lords, KING of kings!
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Thanx Tony, the Lord is so Good……bless’ns to ya 🙂
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Dear Mr. Short, please help me understand what are you trying to depict to others (starting with new converts and others) from Your drawing?
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Hi EHG,
It’s a depiction of a vision I had long ago. Did you read the other Thread about the details of the vision?
As I said in other places, the Ark of the Covenant and the Wilderness Tabernacle MAY EFFECT end-time events soon….that’s why i mentioned them and sent Vic the pics to post
to begin with.
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Mr ST…. I love you in Christ Jesus for your excitement and enthusiasm, and yes i read your post but really– come on now. Jesus instructed us to have no false gods before Him. Being raised Roman Catholic, I learned how terribly deceived I was when He saved me from worshiping relics, idols etc. and still, years later, i must keep casting those idols down. Are you sure you are not setting up an alter of worship by a hand-made idol here? Jesus said, “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free”. John 8:32. The ark and the covenant has come and gone. What’s with the big secret anyway?
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“Are you sure you are not setting up an alter of worship by a hand-made idol here? Jesus said, “Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free”. John 8:32. The ark and the covenant has come and gone. What’s with the big secret anyway?”
What is it that you think i’m wanting people to Worship…..the Ark, the Painting, or the Image in the Painting? GOD FORBID! Not at all!
The Ark of the Covenant is not Just “Come and Gone” Christ’s BLOOD, HIS OWN BLOOD…the BLOOD of Our High Priest…………IS ON…..the Mercy Seat…..Literally ON IT.
Christ, Our High Priest Sprinkled His ONW BLOOD ON IT.
Even so…….THAT BEING SO…………..we Can Not Worship IT!
I’m saying that It and the Wilderness Tabernacle MAY THOUGH have some relevant PART in End Time EVENTS….and that’s ALL i’m saying.
Worship God and Him Alone.
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Dear ST, if you would not mind so much, could you please open in Scripture where Jesus spoke of the end times in where the and Ark of the Covenant and the Wilderness Tabernacle is mentioned. Thank you my friend…I really appreciate it!
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It is not essential is it that Jesus Himself spoke Directly of them is it? Is it not possible that Other Prophetic texts of the Bible be applied as possible references to them?
Such as……..
Rev 12
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
What these “Two Wings” are, or Represent is speculation by Any Commentators I’ve ever read. Could it be that these “Wings” are Represented in the Vision of John, of the Cherubim’s Wings on the Ark of the Covenant that Cover the mercy Seat?
It’s as good of explanation as any opinions I’ve ever heard of What the “Wings” the 144,000 are……………Given………….in John’s Vision.
Remember, the Text Says …………..they are ……….GIVEN………these “WINGS”.
Next…….the Tabernacle….
2Thes. 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
That word “Temple” is best translated as the word “Tabernacle” in English.
That’s where the Wilderness Tabernacle COULD work as “A TABERNACLE” that the Loser COULD SIT IN…..and Defile.
That’s What I’m saying………the 144,000 could be “Given” the Ark of the Covenant, somehow, miraculously by God, and Flee into the Wilderness with it, leaving the Tabernacle Behind, MAYBE, to be taken to the Temple Mount for the use of the Loser to Defile.
Again….i’m just thinking and guessing about the Possibility of some things, and that’s All.
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Here also is the Description of Cherubim
“The prophet Ezekiel describes the cherubim as a tetrad of living creatures, each having four faces—of a lion, an ox,………………………… an eagle………………………, and a man—the stature and hands of a man, the feet of a calf, and four wings. “
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Praise God we don’t have to guess or speculate what Jesus instructed when He instructed….
“But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.” – Matthew 5:27
“And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” – Rev 22:19
“And what agreement hath the TEMPLE of God with idols? for YE are the TEMPLE of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” – 2 Corin 6:16
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“Praise God we don’t have to guess or speculate what Jesus instructed when He instructed”
Until we have Perfect Understanding of All He Said, we are All limited by speculation.
““But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.” – Matthew 5:27”
What does what I have posted have anything to do with Swearing by God, Heaven, God’s Throne or earth?
““And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” – Rev 22:19”
How have I Added to or Taken From any Part of any book of Prophecy…be it the Revelation of Christ, by John, or Any other of the 65 books of the Bible?
““And what agreement hath the TEMPLE of God with idols? for YE are the TEMPLE of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.” – 2 Corin 6:16”
How have I ANY Communion/Fellowship/Agreement with Idols in Anything I’ve posted?
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I am sorry. I do not wish to offend. But I find the circled ‘image of God’ really spooky.
And hasn’t God forbidden us to make images?
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Tell me if I see it correctly. I see something that looks like a side profile of a face with a sharp nose, a lot like Montgomery Burns.
Now let me give you my thoughts on it. I do not see God. I see a picture of a crucifixion representing Christ over a representation of the arc of the covenant. I read the artists thoughts of the Blood of the Lamb dripping on the mercy seat below the cross and by that act covers and cleanses the sins of the nations forever. Were the blood of animals on the mercy seat could not wash sins away, the Blood of the Lamb does a once of and perfect job.
I am reading the comments and I do not want to interfere with the discussion. I do now that comments on a web page can be totally misunderstood. I have been taken out on this page by many because of what they think I have said verses what I really meant to say. I understand what ST tries to tell us and I also understand the people who oppose him. I am also against images of Jesus or relics that leads to idolatry.
BUT, I do see ST trying to explain to us what the picture symbolizes for him. I have not seen him telling anyone that the face in the picture is God. I do understand when he says that he sees an face that he was not painting on purpose that symbolizes the Father looking on to the completed work of Jesus on the cross. If I try to explain something and I draw a picture with circle next to a cross to represent the Father looking on to the Son, will it make the circle an image of God or even God?
Tony, no, it is not God in the picture. No picture on earth can ever comprehend the GLORY of our Father.
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Yes, you are right, Vic.
Our comments are easily misunderstood.
I can understand and appreciate the picture for what it intends to portray, with the torn curtain, the cross, and the Mercy seat.
(And i DO appreciate Shorttribber.)
But that ‘metaphysical’ misty face, still makes me ill at ease.
Just as ‘EnforcingHisGrace’ is sensitive to Catholic style mysticism and imagery, so am I. Nowadays, I’m very wary of ‘images’ on the whole.
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“I am sorry. I do not wish to offend. But I find the circled ‘image of God’ really spooky.
And hasn’t God forbidden us to make images?”
God has forbidden us to make images for the Purpose To Worship them.
I did not Make the image of the Representation of God that is circled. And the Painting itself is not For Worship at all. God Alone it to be Worshiped.
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“Tony, no, it is not God in the picture. No picture on earth can ever comprehend the GLORY of our Father”
Correct, Only a Representation of, and the that is very well said Vic.
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“Tell me if I see it correctly. I see something that looks like a side profile of a face with a sharp nose, a lot like Montgomery Burns. ”
Yes, you’re seeing the profile……to see the other angle, you will find that the face is looking over, and the direction of the alter of incense at a three quarter angle.
When looking at the profile, your seeing the right cheekbone and right eye etc.
When viewing the face at the three quarter/more frontal angle, the right cheekbone of the profile becomes the Left cheekbone, and the right eye of the profile becomes the left eye of the more frontal view.
” I do understand when he says that he sees an face that he was not painting on purpose that symbolizes the Father looking on to the completed work of Jesus on the cross. ‘
Yes, exactly, very well stated again……..thankyou……..and it is nothing more than Symbolic.
And if God helped it end up in the painting, I can only perceive in my heart and mind that He wanted it there for that Symbolic Reason Only.
An interesting thing that I clearly remember also is this. while painting the section of the ark, at the bottom left corner, the area that is now the nose portion of the profile view, I made that section of the ark and the reflection of it incorrect.
The more pale section of paint that you see that forms the entire nose of the profile view is where I painted over my initial mistake. It just has always stuck out in my mind that if I had not made and then corrected that initial error, the two views of the same face would not have ended up in the painting to begin with.
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Shorttribber,
I understand you haven’t made a painting to be worshipped. Never insinuated that.
I have artist believing friends, and I think I can appreciate that art can convey messages of truth beautifully.
I can also see the misty face, both front and prophile (am a ‘pictoral’ thinker myself).
However, as to God revealing Himself in that way (like Montgomery Burns) remains something I am very dubious to.
But I do not doubt your love for the Lord.
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I also appreciate you Ingela….thankyou,
New Age Vomit Mysticism is Noting I will ever touch…..the Rotten Stench of the Loser has been all over Eastern Mysticism since the Tower Of Babel.
I’m very much aware of it and stay so far from it it would make yer head spin.
That’s one of the reasons why the sermons i get are primarily ones I read from my books printed in the late 1500s thru the late 1700s.
Basically, modern Christianity, Laodicean , Apostate Filth and Dung…….makes me want to Puke.
But ONE THING remains the SAME in the Body of Christ that God Himself will Change.
And that is…………………Discord and Division……………………Thank God….He…..WILL CHANGE THAT……………………………..Before He Comes.
None of us are Inerrant in Doctrine…..None of us…..Not ONE SINGLE Christian.
Good Gave us, as GIFTS to the Church, The Fivefold Ministry………….Teachers being One OF THEM.
If we even Once thing we NEED NO TEACHER……other than the Personal Ministry of the Holy Spirit, who is our Greatest Teacher………..then we are Only Deceiving Ourselves.
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“However, as to God revealing Himself in that way (like Montgomery Burns) remains something I am very dubious to.
But I do not doubt your love for the Lord.”
Who is Montgomery Burns?
I am not saying either, that He was “Revealing Himself”, I am saying, that God was Proving in a Symbolic Way, that the VISION I had WAS TRUELY From Him.
And the Entire Vision was Confirmed by the Actual Events that Happened when Our Lord was Crucified.
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“If we even Once thing we NEED NO TEACHER”
See….I really NEED a Teacher Just to Help me Learn to Type the word THINK. 🙂
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Oh, Mr. Burns is just a silly character in ‘the Simpsons’.
(It wasn’t my idea, but I see the likeness.) Sorry.
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‘If we even Once think we NEED NO TEACHER……other than the Personal Ministry of the Holy Spirit, who is our Greatest Teacher………..then we are Only Deceiving Ourselves.”
Very true, shorty.
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And, thank God the MERCY seat is above the judgment seat:)
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“And, thank God the MERCY seat is above the judgment seat:)”
amen to that.
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This is NOT directed to ANYBODY here so please don’t ASSume that please!
I think I will rather TRUST the anointing of the Holy Spirit above the words of men Shelly and if that makes me SELF deceived…then may God be the One to show me that 🙂 He has promised He would!
I loved Holly’s latest post 😉
The Bible is clear: false prophets are wolves that devour unsuspecting sheep.
Jesus said:
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.” (Matthew 7:15)
And the apostle Paul had this to say about false teachers.
“I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.” (Acts 20:29-30).
Despite these clear warnings from an apostle and even Jesus himself, many people are still naive to the threat. So, my question for you is, “Are you easy prey for false prophets?”
The answer is yes if any of the following statements–drawn from Scripture–describe you.
You think God won’t allow you to be deceived. I’ve often heard it said, by people in the New Apostolic Reformation movement, that we should not worry about false prophets because God will not allow His people to be deceived. But if you believe you can’t be deceived, then you are ignoring numerous warnings in Scripture about the need to guard against false prophets and false teachers (Matthew 7:15; Acts 20:29-30; 2 Peter 2:1).
You are overly impressed by the miraculous. Many people are so dazzled by miracles they automatically assume the miracle-worker must have been sent from God. If this describes you, then you are in danger of falling victim to false prophets who, according to Scripture, will perform “great signs and wonders” (Matthew 24:24; Revelation 13:11-15).
You don’t know sound principles of biblical interpretation. You may read the Bible and think you know it well. But you have not done the hard work of learning how to read it correctly using the historical-grammatical approach. This means that you rip verses out of context or spiritualize them when they are meant to be taken at face value. Anyone who reads the Bible in these ways is susceptible to being lead astray by false prophets (2 Peter 3:15-17).
You think you are extra-special to God and deserve to have your desires fulfilled. False prophets will tell people whatever they want to hear–including promising them the fulfillment of their desires for worldly pleasures, such as money and sex (2 Timothy 4:3-4; 2 Peter 2:18;Jude 1:4). You are a sitting duck for false prophets if you are driven by pride and a pursuit of pleasure rather than truth.
You put too much trust in people. You think if someone is a church leader and likeable, then he or she must be a godly person. But you are not heeding the warnings in Scripture about false prophets and false teachers who disguise themselves as true believers (Matthew 7:15;Jude 1:12-13).
You do not value doctrine. You think doctrine is dry and knowledge of doctrine is not essential to having a vibrant faith. You may even believe that doctrine kills faith. If so, you might be among those people who mockingly refer to churches that emphasize doctrine as “dead” and to seminaries that teach doctrine as “cemeteries.” But the apostle John is clear that doctrine should be used as a litmus test for evaluating prophets (1 John 4:1-3).
Can you think of other statements that should be added to my list?
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thanks for posting the picture larger for me to more easily see. i see a beautiful depiction of the Cross and it’s meaning. i see nothing about it to worship but in my mind what it stirs is a reverence for the Father’s broken-heart in giving His Sinless Son as the offering for sin. and the eyes that i see are making me think of the mystery of God come down to wear the shame of our humanity. eyes that do not condemn but eyes that seem to be as though a question for us is behind them. (will you believe?…) i do not find it creepy. i do not find it reminding me of other worldly relics that people want to worship (shroud of turin). the blue and the scarlet remind me of the torn veil. i am taking shorttribber’s painting at face value and i appreciate that i see the Gospel revealed in it. it is highly symbolic is all that i see here. i too have been given some beautiful powerful personal expressions that the Lord has occasionally let me share. have been met with the same reactions. some just enter the same awe and wonder as i had when it was given to me-some want to read what is not there. so be it. God knows our hearts and why we see what we “see”. shorttribbers testimony here (as much as you and i can know) is to glorify and honor Jesus as Lord. i do not know anything thing other than that so i go on what i know at this point-the painting is pointing to Jesus. that’s enough for me. if there is other than that i will let the Holy Spirit show that to me. thanks tribber for the message of the picture and what you shared happened to you to make it worthy of putting on canvas. may the Lord use this as a tool to reveal what is really in our own hearts and take that to Jesus Alone — as worship — or if needed-confession that brings rightful worship to Christ-or if it does not speak that way to you then be convinced in your own mind)-by the Only One Who can rightly discern for us and He will (yes the Holy Spirit is our Teacher) i ask Him and He answers. He promises to direct me-or you-away from anything that does not honor Christ as God’s Worthy Sacrifice for sin. love to all in His Name.
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Shorty –
Thank you for your transparency with us and for taking a risk in sharing your experiences, a vision and the resulting art. Its not easy to put one’s self out there in the open like that.
With that said, I really don’t know what to make of this. For the longest time when I saw your little gravatar icon of the painting I thought, “Wow that’s odd that Shorty would have something that looked like a creepy skull as his avatar”. It’s really just what I saw when I couldn’t see the whole painting. Now that I’ve seen it in a larger format – I understand what you’ve explained and how you were making every effort to honor the Lord and share what you’d seen with your brothers and sisters. There is much I see in the painting now that is quite beautiful and certainly brings glory to God.
I am glad though we have many here who look up on any thing that is brought forward here – and immediately open their Bibles for guidance/wisdom to discern as to what it is. I do grow concerned as others do when a suggestion is made that an image was placed a in a painting unknowingly/supernaturally and it is indirectly suggested that it was put there by God. Don’t mistake me – I’m not tearing down the painting I think it was made by a faithful man who wishes to honor his Lord. At the same time I do not accept that God would break his own second commandment (exodus 20:4) by moving a person in the spirit to create divine images that he was not aware of. I believe we need to test every spirit as the scripture says and see if it is from God- by studying the scriptures and see if the spirit that moved such a thing possesses all the same attributes as God. We are fragile and flawed men and women by our nature – I know with what I write and what I say, I make my best effort to speak only as the Lord would want, but I know that in that I am too susceptible to error and the influence of things that are not from God.
I hope that you will be encouraged though to keep honoring the Lord in your work, your writing and your painting because if we all just stopped the first time we made an error or had our work influenced by something that was not of God then the enemy wins in our life and we are not lifting our voices to glorify God and giving of the best of our work to glorify God. You are a blessing to us, as are all the faithful students of the Word that seek to know truth from error and have true fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit by sorting through all the things we experience, see, hear and touch with the unfailing unchanging truth of his eternal word which he gave us so that we might know in everything what is from him and what is not.
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Thankyou Justasheep,
when you said though….
“At the same time I do not accept that God would break his own second commandment (exodus 20:4) by moving a person in the spirit to create divine images that he was not aware of.”
This command was not about Making the Image Alone, It is a command Not To Make…AND Worship them………and that is all. If it were not so………we could not Paint Anything on earth of any created thing of ANY Kind.
Thankyou for your thoughtful response
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I am not above correction you are right. I also take that command to apply more strictly to creating an image that we might label as a an image of God the Father, God the Son or God the Holy Spirit. I become genuinely uncomfortable, probably because of my Catholic upbringing, with anything that claims to be a representation of any of the three persons of the Trinity. The presence of so many statues and portraits within that church now make me very uneasy, and help me to understand why God made it such a clear prohibition in scripture. I have to admit some uncertainty as you point to about whether it prohibits any graphical representation of God, Lord knows I have many even images in my home, even children’s storybooks that have pictures of Jesus particularly and we certainly don’t worship any of those. I do think given that its the second of the Ten Commandments we should approach any analysis of or discussion about images that represent a member of the Trinity with an abundance of caution, much like we approach the throne now and in the future – with caution and humility since the one that sits on it is certainly not a tame lion (little nod to C.S. Lewis, see how I did that 😉 )
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“I am not above correction you are right”
So then, i’m sure you must understand then that God would not have contradicted Himself by influencing my painting by placing in it, a Symbol or Representation of Himself………I know He did not contradict Himself in doing so.
And I am Absolutely Certain that there was No Other influence than He Himself.
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personally i think the images vague enough that they are not trying to reveal actual faces, but the revealing is the whole statement the picture makes. the young girl who paints and says it is God that shows her the face to paint of Jesus and the little boy who said in his book that that really looks like Jesus (about when he died and went to heaven as a 4 year old) are the ones who bring big questions to my mind because so specific. that does give me great pause. shorttribber’s depiction is mystical yes–because God is mysterious to the finite such as ourselves–as long as it’s symbolism is in keeping with what the Bible teaches there does not have to be any wrong incurred to view (imo at least)…..but we must always keep ourselves under the sway and influence of the Lord’s Spirit as He opens the Word to us to interpret anything-prophecy, paintings, writings, videos, etc. our own experiences even. we know the devil’s job is to deceive and he can do that if we let him-from any vantage point (pro or con)-in viewing anything. something or somebody else receives the Glory meant for God when the devil is using it and he can make things look quite “innocent”. i must “test the spirits” is God’s instruction and oh how i and we need the Spirit’s Counsel and Discernment in these days…………….
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“personally i think the images vague enough that they are not trying to reveal actual faces, but the revealing is the whole statement the picture makes.”
That’s true….and your entire post.
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Justasheep, appreciating your input.
André,
the painting girl in question, ‘Akiane’, tells on her own blog how she had a workman (from Eastern Europe) sit model for that painting. And Akiane’s message as a whole is completely New Age! It’s the old ‘one world religion’.
For this reason, it is extra creepy that the little boy, who [whose parents] claim he went to heaven (and saw Jesus on a rainbow horse), says Akiane’s ‘Jesus’ is exactly the one he met in heaven!
It is so seductive to trust in feelings and experiences – especially those we find pleasant. We have to test ourselves, too!
(One woman writes of the ‘outpouring’ in Sweden, that she and her family have all fallen backwards at a similar meeting. And because they ‘soaked in loveliness’ she is convinced it must be from God.)
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“the painting girl in question, ‘Akiane’, tells on her own blog how she had a workman (from Eastern Europe) sit model for that painting. And Akiane’s message as a whole is completely New Age! It’s the old ‘one world religion’.
For this reason, it is extra creepy that the little boy, who [whose parents] claim he went to heaven (and saw Jesus on a rainbow horse), says Akiane’s ‘Jesus’ is exactly the one he met in heaven!”
Don’t know of or heard about that Junk….but yer right on there Ingela…..New Age Vomit.
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that’s why Andre’ said this”’
” the young girl who paints and says it is God that shows her the face to paint of Jesus and the little boy who said in his book that that really looks like Jesus (about when he died and went to heaven as a 4 year old) are the ones who bring big questions to my mind because so specific. that does give me great pause.”
“Great Pause” in my way of understanding it means………It’s a bunch of Dung.
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Yepp, Shorttribber brother. You said it.
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words can be a great source of misunderstanding………time rolls on… and JESUS says, with open arms,”your ‘welcome’ here”!
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i still miss the little thumbs up thingy for the comments i read. i love you people 😉
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Love ya’ll too 🙂
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thumbs up!
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here’s a major thumbs up my dear friends. i had the privilege of leading an old gentleman to Jesus tonight! i felt it this afternoon that i must go see him. (i barely know this man -have only spoken to him twice). i opened my Bible right to the verse mark13:11…do not be anxious beforehand what you are to say, but say whatever is given to you in that hour, for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit. we had a real straight talk. he has been failing in health for the last month. bottom line he said: Jesus take me. Jesus forgive me. his name is now written in the Lamb’s Book of life! Praise and Glory is Yours Lord–All Yours.
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Wow….that’s as good as it gets Andre’
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Praise God,….n pass the blessen’s! very nice!,…the great commission! Onward n UPward!
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Hi ShortTribber, Thank you for your patience and I apologize for not responding as quickly as I thought I might have been able to have done so upon reading this article.
You wrote: The Ark of the Covenant is not Just “Come and Gone” Christ’s BLOOD, HIS OWN BLOOD…the BLOOD of Our High Priest…………IS ON…..the Mercy Seat…..Literally ON IT.
Your above commit(s) make me question if you are a new age Seventh Day Adventist member. May I ask if you are a SDA because the photo of you and Mr. Wyatt leads me to believe that you align yourself with his teaching…which are Seventh Day. Am I wrong?
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“Your above commit(s) make me question if you are a new age Seventh Day Adventist member. May I ask if you are a SDA because the photo of you and Mr. Wyatt leads me to believe that you align yourself with his teaching…which are Seventh Day. Am I wrong?”
No, i’m not SDA, and I believe he or anyone has their Choice, and accordingly to choose Their Exact understanding of the Sabbath rest according to their Own Conscience and the Word of God.
His understanding of the Sabbath made no difference to me….God can use or do as He chooses, that it is very much evident though history.
Why would a photo though, lead you to believe that I align myself with his teaching, I don’t understand?
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through history, not though…… I type slow and spell bad :]
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Hi ST, Don’t want to be difficult here, but please understand that presenting a mystical interpretation or opinion of a vision of a “symbolic” painting and attempting to back it with “speculations” from the Holy Scripture leaves little room for unadulterated sound doctrine (my take only).
“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good”. 1 Thes 5:21 & 2 Tim 4:3
“Ron Wyatt believed that Ellen White (SDA)was a true prophet of God.”
http://www.covenantkeepers.co.uk/videos.html
Regarding the blood of The Lord Jesus Christ, Mr. Wyatt specifies that the blood flowed through a (20-60′[depending where one reads]) crack in earth and landing on the top side of ‘ark of the covenant’. From what has been gathered, there is NO real evidence or documentation that physically ties into this as a truth. The clinical facility where the said blood was tested (for the amount of chromosomes) was never made known to the public; only spoke of as a “clinic in Israel”. Would you help me in finding the name of the clinic?
… the art of the covenant is all inclusive. If one reads Hebrews 8 and 9, it given for edification and understanding to the Born-Again, regenerated believer simply as stated…Nothing more, nothing less.
Although in many of his public presentations Wyatt did not emphasize his personal theological underpinnings, he was in fact a devoted Seventh Day Adventist.
http://www.isitso.org/guide/wyatt.html
A little leaven, leavens the whole lump. Gal 5:9
“Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.” James 1:27
http://www.tccsa.tc/articles/wyatt.html
P.S I’m lost in that I am not sure why the Sabbath Day is mentioned in your above answer — did we discuss this? Thank you!
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It’s true that Ron was a Sabbath Keeper, and was, before I knew him, SDA….he did leave SDA….but continued to keep the Sabbath…..and that’s all I know about it.
I never bothered to ask why and I never cared….still don’t.
If we have in us in Any Way….Any Leaven….we are not able to be Used of God? Is that what you’re saying?
” From what has been gathered, there is NO real evidence or documentation that physically ties into this as a truth.”
No….there is evidence, but he agreed to keep all as it stands now based on his agreement with the Israeli government….any more about it could have caused mass chaos based on it’s present location in the west bank.
“The clinical facility where the said blood was tested (for the amount of chromosomes) was never made known to the public; only spoke of as a “clinic in Israel”. Would you help me in finding the name of the clinic?”
True…and no I can’t.
Again I will say that God can use who he chooses.
If all you have inquired of are his critics, you must certainly examine
HIS evidence for All the other Finds before you can draw a reasonable conclusion on this matter.
That’s all i’m saying….search it out…quit listening to just one side….get past the idea that God could not use someone that is not perfect.
” presenting a mystical interpretation or opinion of a vision of a “symbolic” painting and attempting to back it with “speculations” from the Holy Scripture leaves little room for unadulterated sound doctrine ”
I don’t understand this at all, i’m sorry…..the painting is only a color representation of a vision I had………and that’s all it is………the images in it are just there. In what manner have I tried to “back it” with scripture?
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