Worldwide 100 million Christians are persecuted for their faith in Jesus.

Worldwide 100 million Christians are persecuted for their faith in Jesus.

Every year, Open Doors publishes the World Watch List, illustrating the countries where Christians are most persecuted. The Open Doors World Watch List is the only annual survey of religious liberty conditions of Christians around the world. It measures the degree of freedom of a Christian to live out their faith in five areas of life – private, family, community, congregation and national life, plus a sixth element measuring the degree of violence.

In 2012, Christians in Nigeria, Iraq and Syria experienced the most violence, closely followed by those in Sudan and Columbia. In Eritrea, Myanmar, Kenya and Egypt the levels of anti-Christian violence were also extremely high.

North Korea remains the most nightmarish state in which to practice Christianity in the world today, taking out the top spot for the 11th year in a row. However, the 2013 Open Doors World Watch List also highlights the most significant persecution trend of 2012 as a rise of Islamism in every country that experienced the Arab Spring. This has resulted in massively increased pressure on large parts of the church in the Middle East and North Africa.

The trends are not uniformly gloomy however. In the Far East, with the exception of North Korea, the communist states have all marginally improved their treatment of Christians. Laos, Vietnam and China have all moved down the list.

Dropping out of the list this year, for various reasons, are Chechnya, Turkey, Cuba, Belarus and Bangladesh.

Comment by Vic

This is a huge eye opener. I sincerely hope that the pre-trib camp will read this and realize that persecution is a reality and current for the body of Christ. We are not better than our brothers and sisters who are currently being persecuted. Please follow the link in the heading to read more. Thanks to Peter on the Facebook page for the link.

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165 thoughts on “Worldwide 100 million Christians are persecuted for their faith in Jesus.

  1. I agree with you, Vic, but many lukewarm “Christians” do not believe that now, today, we are in the midst of the tribulation or persecution. What’s next? The rapture! What’s next? The wrath of God! Repent and accept Yeshua as King of Kings and Lord of Lords! Shalom. James

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  2. 2 billion people who identify as Christian, 100 million persecuted.

    100 million divided by 2 billion is 5% of all Christians.

    100 million is 66% entire population of Russia. Thats quite a few people.

    May God come quickly and vindicate them all, if their captors refuse forgiveness.

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  3. ..not to cause strife or division, but Paul McGuire pointed out that not all of those[ by any means ] who are in pre-trib camp are under some impression that there will not be any persecution of christians before the rapture., before lift-off, there will be in fact massive suffering and killing of Gods flock as the Beast apparatus is being put in place and ready to go full force. i address this to you Vic with respect to your comment about pretribbers and the trib. What do you think of McGuires view and do you know of the late Dr. Francis Schaeffer [theologian] and his incredible research books, whom McGuire has high regards for. Schaeffer has done extensive research on the days of romes persecution, etc,…. “How then must we live” is one book of his. Escape from reason” is another……..He also wrote a book called, “A Christian Manifesto”. Hes a Christian author,/ researcher, like no other, imo.//////All i’m obviously saying is that just because someone is inclined towards the pre-trib stance doesn’t mean that they are living in a fairy tale imagining they are 100 percent going to be free of Persecution, or even Death.

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  4. Hi Tony

    Yes, there are some pre-trib teachers who are expecting to go through tribulation and are preparing and warning the flock. My comment is addressed to those who expect to be raptured out before any kind of suffering and tribulation will befall them. Sadly there are many who are only expecting their “best life now”.

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  5. Amen Vic and thank-you for the powerful post boetie 😉

    If one does run into any pre trib discussion board and dare try to share our deep concern we are shut down. Why is that?

    Yes Tony there are many that are waking up to the reality of where we are at and the time we’re in but sadly they still adhere to the { false } notion that we are not going to be here during the time of tribulation.

    Quote for the day { that’s already posted on my fridge }
    “today, we are in the midst of the tribulation or persecution.” Dr James.

    Not only that James , but the strong delusion causes …….>

    Isa 5:20 — Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    Mal 3:15 — And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered.

    Mal 2:17 — Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say,Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil isgood in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

    Pro 17:15 — He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

    Mat 6:23 — But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

    Tony, the Lord has had many of us in “training” for the past few years so that we are able to STAND fast in these days of great evil.

    Once Satan is cast out and the PIT is opened up it is going to be spiritual chaos and the lessons we have had to go through were all part of our ” boot camp”. { Revelation – Chapter 9.}

    I love that the Lord walks beside us through the fire, pain and affliction yet never removes us. We haven’t seen anything yet and one of the reasons why I updated my pic.Slingshot in hand and armed with the WORD of God and the five smooth stones 🙂

    The groaning in my spirit is almost unbearable and the spiritual battle seems to be getting more intense.

    1Pe 5:8 — Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

    On my face at the foot of the cross I will remain.

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  6. Can I ask where you “anyone who wants to answer”, places the two witness’s ? First half or second half of Tribulation ? or If you only believe in the AoD starting the last three and one half years, how do you place them in there… and why…

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  7. Has any of you heard[from yrs going back, that is] of the song,”believe it or not”, by James Taylor? he says along the way, “I’m waiting for the past to come to pass”! which i thought was unique. but i think my favorite part of the song may be when he says,”today the world seems brighter”! i mention this simply because, the song is simply lovely. He is singing about the, “love of my life” as he puts it. boy does it stir up nice things in my heart., maybe it would do the same for you. i googled it!!!,……I like that word, “google”. Wishing you a brite day! BRIGHT brite!!

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  8. “Can I ask where you “anyone who wants to answer”, places the two witness’s ? First half or second half of Tribulation ? or If you only believe in the AoD starting the last three and one half years, how do you place them in there… and why…?”

    Revelation chapter twelve, from the First to the Last Word is D.I. number three. It is also my favorite chapter in the entire Bible.

    The first day I visited this forum and became a member I started a thread about this chapter and it was very enjoyable for me but I never really was able to finish because we all got sidetracked some by Daniels 70th week discussions.
    Here and now I’ll share what I believe without any doubt what so ever to be the truth contained in Rev12.

    vs 1 Eve is represented by the woman

    vs 2 Eve’s offspring Israel travails in labor with their PROMISED seed.

    vs 3 Satan (the Loser)…….notice he has not received any damage to one of his heads YET.

    vs 4 The fallen angels who left their habitation in an attempt by Satan (the Loser) to pollute the PROMISED seed of Eve.
    And pictured here is the Loser’s attempt to destroy Christ through king Herod.

    vs 5 The PROMISED seed comes, CONFIRMS…..THE…..PROMISE, bruises the Loser’s head and returns to His Father and His throne.

    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    vs 6 Eve’s offspring Israel flees to safety during the three and a half year siege by Titus in 70 ad.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    vs 7 Nearly 2,000 year span of time has transpired while the war in heaven has been ongoing, continuing today and will continue until the Loser and his other losers are cast out of heaven at verse 9.

    vs 8-9 Here, at this time, is when the restrainer is taken out of the way (2thes 2:7). this also is an area of agreement i share with traditional prewrath, we agree that Michael the Archangel is the Restrainer, although it is not a critical to my position I feel he is the best candidate according to scriptural proof.

    ***Just note if you will the great tribulation reference regarding Michael @ Dan 12 and here we are @Rev 12….you are free to care less but I find little things like that very interesting.***

    vs 10 Ok, here is where the rubber meets the road and we as saints and servants of God put OUR (Christ’s and our) TESTIMONY into shoe-leather. This will be a battle-ROYAL……literaly……for the KINGDOM and WE WIN!

    vs 11 Here is where He CONFIRMS us as KEEPERS of HIS COVENANT, this is when we have the faith….OF….Jesus.
    (it’s really going to be powerful brothers and sisters)

    Here is when and where God will separate to Himself the true and faithful witnesses.
    Palms 50:
    4 He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.
    5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a COVENANT with me by SACRIFICE

    vs 12 Part of the reason Daniel stands up STILL

    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
    vs 13-14 The 144,000 flee Jerusalem
    And the TWO WITNESSES………….Jews (1) and Gentiles (2)……AND these MAY include TWO Physical INDIVIDUALS as LEADERS of each Group
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    vs 15-16 Flood Ref. fits Dan 9:26 IMO

    vs 17 Another reference to the KEEPERS of the COVENANT (the saints), the rest of Eves offspring.

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  9. Remember now, your study of the Two must be understood in ways that you must think outside traditional boxes……………there are several Layers to the Prophecies in regard to the two Olive Trees (Witnesses).

    You probably already know that.

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  10. “vs 8-9 Here, at this time, is when the restrainer is taken out of the way (2thes 2:7). this also is an area of agreement i share with traditional prewrath, we agree that Michael the Archangel is the Restrainer, although it is not a critical to my position I feel he is the best candidate according to scriptural proof.”

    Here I do disagree but will study more, I believe the restrainer is Satan who will be taken out of the way by Christ..

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  11. “Here I do disagree but will study more, I believe the restrainer is Satan who will be taken out of the way by Christ..”

    You could be right….I’ve heard reasonable opinions on that idea….but as I said, it doesn’t affect the shorttrib/prewrath timing

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  12. “Remember now, your study of the Two must be understood in ways that you must think outside traditional boxes……………there are several Layers to the Prophecies in regard to the two Olive Trees (Witnesses).”

    I’ve read a couple of your posts, I understand the Layers to the Prophecies and I do agree with that..

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  13. It is Pre tribulation. Shorttribber the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has to be taken out of the way before the man of sin can be reviled. The Antichrist will not be revieled until then. No Obama is not the antichrist. Anyway no time to argue on here because Jesus is coming anytime now and like He has recently told somebody the other day His Father wants to shut the door now and Jesus said He can plead no more. So pray that you will be counted worthy to excape. Shalom

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  14. “It is Pre tribulation. Shorttribber the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has to be taken out of the way before the man of sin can be reviled. The Antichrist will not be revieled until then. No Obama is not the antichrist. Anyway no time to argue on here because Jesus is coming anytime now and like He has recently told somebody the other day His Father wants to shut the door now and Jesus said He can plead no more. So pray that you will be counted worthy to excape. Shalom”

    Well, it would be ok with me if you were right……..I think we’ll know soon

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  15. i heard a guy say that the 2 witnesses are Israel and the Church. me, i don’t know. This guy is Fred P. in connection with http://www.antipasministries.com,….all i know of Fred is that he has the love of God to offer and to him, i feel overwhelmingly indebt. He handles the word of God, skillfully. i say this without any exaggeration at all. When i say that he listens well and really hears what your saying, its true,..and he responds scripturaly so as to bless you with Gods word.

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  16. one way i can deal with Freds estimation of Israel n the Church as the 2 wtnss, is to see it, as tribber has opened my eyes to, as true in a layer of prophecy’s fulfillment,…maybe the ultimate layer?????, maybe not.?

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  17. Hi Leanne, welcome 🙂

    You said –
    “Anyway no time to argue on here because Jesus is coming anytime now and like He has recently told somebody the other day His Father wants to shut the door now and Jesus said He can plead no more. So pray that you will be counted worthy to excape. Shalom”

    Jesus told someone that the Father is about to shut the door? you mean with the pre-trib rapture?

    Leanne there has been a cry going forth out {for a very long time now} for TRUE REPENTANCE and SPACE was given unto men to turn from their wicked ways yet there is still a DEFIANT refusal to CONFESS or CONFRONT sin. The saddest part is, these call ” Jesus Lord”! Why is that?

    Is it possible that we are already in the strong delusion because many HATE the hard and difficult sayings of God’s word. I fear so yes! They just love the ear’s to be tickled right 😉

    Isa 66:4 — I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

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  18. I felt this verse deserves to stand alone 😉

    Mal 2:17 — Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them; or, Where is the God of judgment?

    Oh God have mercy!

    Two by two we witness NOT by POWER or by might but by His Spirit. The first of the five smooth stones.

    In case you missed these Leanne. You may want to tuck them away for the time we are fast approaching and will enter into.

    Being :

    1) Courageous as Joshua.

    2) Faith as Rahab.

    3) Strength as David.

    4) Fearless as Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego

    5) Wisdom as Daniel.

    The Five smooth stones.

    1) Zechariah 4:6
    Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

    2) Revelation 12:11

    And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,

    3) and by the word of their testimony;

    4) and they loved not their lives unto the death.

    Revelation 12:10-12

    5) So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

    Isaiah 55:10-12

    Blessings to you 🙂

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  19. Having read through the comments here, I see some topics coming up.
    Here is Dr. Gavin Finley’s take on ‘the Restrainer’:
    http://endtimepilgrim.org/restrainer.htm

    On the Two Witnesses:
    http://endtimepilgrim.org/twowit.htm

    The end time witness of God’s people:
    http://endtimepilgrim.org/josephgate.htm

    I would really love for you all to read one/some/all of the articles. Finley has to my understanding received a lot of clarity over the grand themes of Scripture, and he paints a narrative picture that weaves together biblical ‘incidents’ and themes into a weft, where it all comes together beautifully.

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  20. On the subject of an early rapture (instead of an endtime witness) of the church, Dr.Gavin Finley of the Endime Pilgrim writes:
    “As we have seen in the other articles on this website, there is no scriptural basis for the prevailing doctrine of an isolated rapture in an early pre-tribulational time slot seven years short of the end of this age. The doctrine has, however, become extremely popular with the sort of Christian crowds we see gathering in today’s western church.

    The church in the rich nations today is becoming increasingly carnal and operating predominantly in the lukewarm spirit of the church at Laodicea. – Rev.3:14-22 This is to our shame. We should have shown more Berean style diligence and been more careful in our handling of the scriptures.

    And we should have had the courage to question Bible teachers when the shaky pre-trib doctrine was first taught. Unfortunately we are so busy in today’s society that diligent Holy Spirit led personal Bible study has become uncommon.”

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  21. Once again (if you bear with me) a very on-topic quote from Finley:

    “It is only in Him that we become overcomers It is in the witness and power of the Gospel that we prevail against the forces of darkness. The Bible tells us so. Our Apostle John actually saw the final victory of the saints.

    ‘They overcame him,(Satan), by the blood of the Lamb,
    And by the word of their testimony,
    And they loved not their lives unto the death.’ – Rev.12:11

    Beloved of God, this is how we win.”

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  22. The links are good info Ingela, lot’s of stuff in’m…..did a kind of speed reading through’m…..time thang ya know.

    Agree with’m primarily except the 7 year deal.

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  23. Yes, I agre, there is ‘lots of suff in’m’.
    He has a gift for writing, and write he surely does. 🙂

    (And I also agree with his take on the seven years.)
    He has also written of his own eye opener, from pretrib to posttrib.

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  24. Loop i feel something from your brother Roger as i go over all you shared with us of his strength. The peace of God is ever available. i give thanks. i know his strength blessed us all and most importantly, you all. Praise God and let nothing go un-noticed of His moves in our lives. Rejoice and allways look up, knowing that He is there. He is there for us in our deepest hour of need, and always will be. Be Blessed Loop. For lo, i am with you always, even to the end of the age., Jesus

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  25. We love you Loop and please know that you are in my prayers. When one hurts, we all hurt. I love how we’ve stood fast all these years and need to express my gratitude to all of you for making this place of fellowship what it is. I give the Lord all the glory and praise for each of you- daily 😉

    Vic, Mr Sheep thank-you both for guarding the flock. What a blessing and a privilege to have walked these past couple of yrs with you all .I just needed to say how much that is appreciated.

    Coming to the UNITY of the faith. I love that 😉

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  26. http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Israel-warns-EU-over-joint-research-project-in-light-of-settlement-guidelines-323059

    “The guidelines call, among other elements, for Israel to sign a “territorial clause” before entering into any new agreements with the EU that would say that the agreement is inapplicable in east Jerusalem, the Golan Heights or the West Bank. Israel interprets this as an attempt by the EU to get Israel to sign a waiver of claims to these areas before being able to enter agreements with the EU…………..

    Israel is expected to invest some 600 million euros over the next SEVEN YEARS in the flagship EU research and development program, and get back in inbound grants and investments some 900m. euros. Israel has taken part in the major EU R&D project since 1996.

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  27. Thank you all, yesteday was the funeral, my brother was sooo precious.. I’ll miss him until I/we enter into Gods kingdom…
    My Aunt Maxine and my sis in law are both in really bad shape and need Prayer also both stage 4 cancer… Thank you for all the Prayers..

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  28. Loop, there has formed all around you, a prayer loop! we are all holding hands in a circle, holding you n your family UP,…to Jesus! be blessed. How does it feel to be, one of the beautiful people of GOD! i pray you a smile,…so glad you found the site!

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  29. Thank you all for the Prayers, they are much appreciated..
    Just doing what I can to keep my mind busy as well as trying to keep my dad busy..
    Bible study helps..

    “Shorttribber, you said to study on Joshua and Zerubbabel , really interesting… they are two who I never even thought about possibly being the two witness’s..

    Zechariah 4:11-14 describe Joshua and Zerubbabel not only as the “two olive trees,” but also as “the two anointed ones that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.” [Emphasis added.] This strongly parallels the role of the two witnesses of Revelation 11 who will serve as two “anointed ones” who will wield Divine power in a global ministry in the latter days. The separate descriptions of “Joshua” and “Zerubbabel” apparently give us clues about some aspects of the lives of the two people who will be called by God to be the two witnesses in the latter days. If not, why would God tell us in Revelation 11 that the two witnesses are the “two olive trees” and then give us specific information in Zechariah 3-4 about the two individuals personified in these roles?

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  30. Jhn 3:27 — John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.

    It is Shorty that does a better job than me Tony , but maybe he can explain to you why we are being ” PURIFIED” as God SEPARATES the wheat from the chaff right now.

    Could it be it to present us as a chaste virgin, a bride without spot or wrinkle ? I believe so yes. The FIREY trials are burning away the “chaff” in our lives so that we will stand BLAMELESS at the appearing of our Messiah. He is burning away the dross sin in our lives and every selfish, ungodly, hidden agenda. This is done to present us pure and UNDEFILED before God the Father.

    I welcome the ” false brethren, traitors, vipers, provocateurs and the wolves in sheep clothing ” in my life as they are God’s SHAPING tool to test how I will react to every painful situation and besides these are the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction anyways . I pity them and pray for these to guard my own heart against bitterness .

    Do you have a “Judas” in your life….well praise GOD then 😉 He uses these for His GLORY and purpose. I love that 🙂

    God HAS to chastise us. He is a HOLY God as He prepares us for the coming Kingdom.
    No cowards or liars and such allowed in the Kingdom right 😉 they are on the OUTSIDE.So REJOICE people of God, REJOICE at the FIREY trial in your life. I love that HIS IMAGE is being polished in us as we grow to be more like Him. IT SHOWS 🙂

    Hbr 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

    Hbr 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

    The purging process BURNS AWAY the FALSEHOOD in our lives and causes us to offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness and truth.

    Col 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

    Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled,………………….. and [be] not moved away ………from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, [and] which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

    Dan 11:35 And [some] of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make [them] white, [even] to the time of the end: because [it is] yet for a time appointed.

    Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he [is] like a refiner’s fire, and like fullers’ soap:

    Mal 3:3 And he shall sit [as] a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

    1Cor 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was CONFIRMED in you:
    7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
    8 Who shall also CONFIRM you unto the end, [that ye may be] blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Jud 1:24 ¶ Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

    The Lord is sweeping the floor as He TRIES the INTENTIONS of our hearts, measuring those that WORSHIP in His temple.We are being prepared for the 42 month trib- two by two we will witness 🙂 I can share endless testimonies of how the Lord lays a verse on my heart which I would then e-log and have another believer txt or e-mail me with the EXACT same verse.I love that as it increases my faith for the time ahead.God is CLOSE to the BROKENhearted and those that TREMBLE at His word.

    Isa 66:2 For all those [things] hath mine hand made, and all those [things] have been, saith the LORD: but to this [man] will I look, [even] to [him that is] poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

    Rev 11:1 ¶ And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

    The ultimate result ….
    Eph 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

    We are so close to the abomination that causes desolation {also the time when Satan is CAST out of heaven -once and for all and the STRONG delusion } that we will be given power to overcome. I humbly believe that is why the Lord gave us the five smooth stones 😉

    Forgive the musings but this was the fire in my belly this morning.I feel better now 🙂

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  31. Beloved , a call for a SOS prayer.

    The Lord placed a very wealthy Jewish woman in my life a few weeks ago and allowed me to witness of her of what is of MORE value and the Messiah I call Jesus.
    She was very receptive and allowed me to pray in the name of Jesus Christ. She shared photo’s of her beautiful daughter and the medical genius she is{ she’s a brain surgeon}. She just called a few minutes ago and shared that she has just tragically died. I don’t have the details and covet your prayers for Rosanna.

    I read her the words of Christ and ask that these will NOT return void. Please lift her up in prayer. She is devastated. My heart is agonized and pray that the Holy Spirit will work through me to comfort in a way only He can.

    Please pray that I will be of any use as vessel of His love and that HE will be glorified by the comfort He brings.

    Isa 61:1 ¶ The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;

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  32. got on today and here i see your sos hisown….praying. yes to the Lord using you-He is the Yes and the Amen of Comfort and Compassion for this dear grieving heart and Wisdom and Discernment to lead you-all Glory to God amen! may God’s Love shower this whole situation and those pained in heart and soul. love to all of the brothers and sisters here. the Lord is Awesome in Power and Beautiful in His Ways. He is our Emmanuel–with us–no matter what………..

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  33. His Own, Colleen, hi and thanks for that very through comment above concerning fiery trials and purification,….i’m with you completely on every word of it, and i am rejoicing. My life experience has dictated to me that,[ in laymans terms,] even when things go wrong they go right. Scripture says that all things work out for good to those who are called according ti His purpose. I am a firm believer in the Good Lords oversight in every aspect of my sometimes, fumbled up life. Jesus knows me well, inside and out. We are friends and with Him i totally trust my life. His LOVE never ceases to amaze me,…even as the spirit of truth comes through, as iron sharpens iron, on this prophecy web site. Tribber has blessed me as so many of you have, with edifying wisdom that comes from his and your all, labors as those who are becoming and have already become approved workmen. This is the body of Christ! I give thanks. Thank you for sharing the word; rightly divided! I do also believe, in an altogether EXCITED way, that the AoD is not far off,…Damascus will go down, and the Bride will go UP! The word that comes Ultimately to mind is JUBILEE!, to say the very least. God be with you all, my prayers go out for your new friends daughter and for MOM and all of them,…….i was SHOCKED to get that message. God love them all and may there be a strong life changing testimonial wittness of the Love of Christ Jesus, now and forever, in their lives. Praying that the Lord guides you entirely through this all Colleen and BELIEVING that His Presence will Shine all throughout. Again,Thanks for you uplifting comment above. Be Blessed

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  34. TEST of TIME, i went to the link you provided and read it,..also at what you summarized about it above. I kinda get it, i guess. They are setting Israel up,…pigeon hole’n them into a position that will ultimately entrap them – am i seeing this the way you are?

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  35. My love and sympathies really go out to the Jewish lady and her family at the loss of her wonderful daughter.MY GOD,…Lord hear our prayer and please be everpresent among them, as you orchestrate with your infinite wisdom and draw them all, unto yourself, and into the LIGHT of TRUTH.

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  36. Friends,
    a sleepless night, and a visit here, to read some precious comments on the trials of our (and others’) lives. I feel almost embarrassed to ask for prayers. But my husband and I really need it right now. For something as mundane as selling our house. It is all set to happen this coming week, and we are extremely exhausted.
    I already have my illness, but I’m really concerned for my husband, that he may be teetering on the brink of burnout. We both feel almost ‘numb’ emotionally, and to top it off we are now both ill as well…

    Please, pray for the Lord’s sovereign hand in all of this. That all will go well with the sale, and that the right family will buy the house . And that God will help us stand up straight.
    Thank you.

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  37. Ed by Justasheep – obviously hateful and anti-Semitic video removed. That kind of content is not allowed here.

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  38. That was a disgusting video!
    How awful. They’re choiring up with Nazism. The same hatred and prejudices are still alive today.
    Talking about muslims indoctrinating teir kids to hate jews… Then what is this!?!?!?
    These people bring shame to the name of Christ. And they mislead the little children.
    Very serious.

    Please, if you happen to be jewish, and read here – know that this attitude certainly does NOT represent a true christian attitude and behaviour!

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  39. “Please, if you happen to be jewish, and read here – know that this attitude certainly does NOT represent a true christian attitude and behavior!”

    Amen……….That “Choir” is Barfing Up
    Ignorance on Steroids!

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  40. Sorry for not catching that one before it made it to the site everyone. Eyeswideopen will not be able to post to this site any longer due to this clearly abusive and other previous highly questionable posts.

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  41. On a related note – if you all can keep me in your prayers this week, I have some very important meetings this week with respect to my career and God’s provision for our family. I just ask the Lord will give me the wisdom to make choices that will honor him and that I will serve faithfully wherever he places me.

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  42. Wise decision.
    That’s the kind of prayers I believe the Lord loves to answer, Mr Sheep. A man who wishes to honour God in everything – what a blessing for your family!

    Thank you all for praying for us too. Im down and out with a cold/flu – and people are coming to view the house today… (And then I have to be down and out – of here!)

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  43. I didn’t catch the clip but praise the Lord for it being removed and dealt with in a godly manner. Thank-you Rob for deleting it .

    Rob you and Vic have been shepard’s of this little flock in more ways than what you can imagine.Thank-you for your love, compassion and father’s heart. It shows.We all love you guys dearly 😉

    What is it that set’s this little place of fellowship apart from any other discussion board on the net ? is it agape love? is it a refusal to let BITTERNESS spread it’s cancer, { Hbr 12:15}
    or is it the beautiful reminder of : Let] nothing [be done] through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves Phil 2 : 3.It may be a combination of all of the above but most of all it is TRUE agape love that rules here with only ONE desire and that is to KNOW Christ deeper and to be partakers of the fellowship of His sufferings. Phl 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

    My heart grieves as I witness a cruel, malicious , prideful spirit that silences those who dare question them or their heresies on other message boards and wonder how many are being defiled by that.It is so very sad to watch the ” take over”. My prayer is that the Lord will show them the error of their ways, and the malicious spirit that drives them, before its too late.

    Speaking of hatred towards the Jews, are we surprised that Israel is being blamed for the unrest in Egypt. Oh Brother!!!

    Lord God please have mercy!

    http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Erdogan-Israel-orchestrated-Morsi-overthrow-Egypt-unrest-323679

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  44. that will ultimately bring us closer to His return, correct?…..for we know these are the things that must come to pass; deception

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  45. ‘Another will come in his own name, and him you will receive…’
    Prophetic words.
    Yes, unfortunately it seems clear from Scripture Israel will, for a season, accept another ‘Messiah’.

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  46. Pray for Syria, and all her refugees in neighbouring countries.
    Pray for the Gospel to go out, and for receptive hearts.
    God loves the Syrian people too, and He wants their salvation.
    “For God so loved – the World…”

    We must especially remember our precious brothers and sisters, who now are exposed to added dangers, just as they are in Egypt. Remember that God has His children in all these nations.

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  47. Hab 1:13 [Thou art] of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, [and] holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth [the man that is] more righteous than he?

    The footage is deplorable!

    The deception is despicable!

    The injustice is diabolical!

    My spirit is grieved beyond words.

    The Lord hates :
    Pro 6:17b ……. hands that shed innocent blood,

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  48. with you all in this. syria is very close now to destruction. horrific in our eyes-how much more in His. there are so many little innocents caught in this but God is Merciful. the wicked will perish – yes – God hates this. hisown i am wondering how rosanna is-praying for open eyes for her-a heart ready for the Love of Christ to come in with you granted opportunity by the Spirit to minister and witness His Mercy and Grace. and ingela i pray you are comforted by the Peace that passes all Understanding in your circumstance-continuing Strength for you and your husband as the Lord engineers your lives. hi tony as you continue to be Renewed-given Comfort and Wisdom for whatever is the need you find on your plate-God knows and God cares . rob i pray for the Discernment and Wisdom of the Lord for you in your decisions and accompanying Peace that He make that way plain. for loop who is needing the Saviour’s Compassionate and many Graces to heal the grief and give you even greater Hope in all of His Promises. to vic our dear brother and to all of you dear saints here (you know who you are!)–Jesus loves you. Jesus said: Come unto Me all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. take My Yoke upon you, and learn of Me for I am Meek and Lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. He is Able and in Command amen? He is our Good Shepherd. the Lord continues to go before my daddy and me to finish a task that is pressing and has been at times challenging but is set before us to do in His Wisdom and Strength (and the Lord provided occasion yesterday to share the Gospel 😉 ). so for me and for all-may we remember that His Yoke is easy and His Burden is light. matthew 11:28-30 God is Good! Love to all in His Beautiful Name………..

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  49. Thank you Andre’, and others, for praying for us.
    We are exhausted, but encouraged in Him.

    (And when compared to what other believers have to go through, our ‘problems’ are petty. Nevertheless…)

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  50. I appreciate the Prayers so much, my aunt Maxine is doing some better, she qualified for a new chemo treatment, they said she had to have a certain type gene which she did, she has finished her radiation and is getting ready to start the chemo.. My sis in law Trisil is much worse, she is swelling badly now, her kidneys are failing and she is having problems breathing, please Pray that Gods will be done with her, both are saved. Thank you..

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  51. Loop,
    I didn’t realize you had so many close to you with cancer.
    Must be extremely trying, for we suffer with those who suffer. But what a comfort to know they are saved. Then we don’t have to grieve as those who have no hope.

    Though our pilgrimage seems to take us more than once through the valley of tears.
    Here’s a hug and a prayer, sister.

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  52. Guy’s ,
    I find myself in a state of continual prayer lately and was wondering if anybody else is sensing { sorry for using this word but that’s the only way I know how to describe the grieving and groaning in my spirit } a massive evil outpouring of diabolical proportion?

    Something is desperately wrong and it’s not just Syria!!

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  53. i have been this same way for days now—yes more than syria. my prayers don’t have many words–like i’m feeling them more than saying them. i feel we are about to turn a corner-worldwide.

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  54. What a sobering comfort to me . Thank-you sis Andre.
    There’s been war going on in the heavenliness and I humbly believe we are seeing the result of this now.As you said Andre we are about to turn a corner,,,,Is that when Satan is cast out ” once and for all” and causes all chaos to break loose as the world wonders after him? – ” Isa 14:16 — Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
    I fear so yes!
    Something evil cometh our way!
    My prayer is that we will STAND on the Word of God as the days grow darker and men become more wicked.It’s unbelievable!!
    2Cr 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
    I pray for you all daily!

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  55. Dan 12:1 — And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

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  56. the pace has slowed for the last couple of weeks for me and though i was feeling this in a back-burner sort of way it has come to the forefront in my heart and mind–and it. is. heavy. our lives are all going to change-and i believe soon. yes to dan 12:1 and yes tony–Lord have Mercy.

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  57. this is off the subject…..but I’ve been waiting for the time to bring this up.

    This could have been mentioned on the Communion painting thread but I thought I may be overlooked since it’s a few threads back now.

    Anyway…..I waited until now to mention something about the painting that is very interesting.
    It doesn’t really surprise me that no one has noticed without my first mentioning it here, I didn’t know about it myself until about 5 or so years after I did the painting when a person pointed it out to me.

    If you go back and look at the painting again you’ll see two very distinct images/faces.
    One is just below and to the Right of Christ…………the other…….is lower and to the Left of Christ.

    The First image I’ve mentioned is actually Two images in One………you may first notice that the face is looking nearly straight forward but slightly turned to the left and then you may notice that the same face is also seen as an exact profile facing to the left………some folks see the profile first and then the other that faces nearly straight on.

    The image to the Right of Christ is what appears to be that of Our Father in Heaven.
    The profile appears to be Staring the Loser Down.

    The image to the Left of Christ is of the Loser……..it appears a very dark ominous and almost serpent-like face with large scull-like looking eye sockets and a broad slim lipped mouth and flattened nose. the mouth of the Loser is nearly touching the alter of incense.

    The reason, it seems to me that comments ended somewhat abruptly on the that thread is maybe because some here may have mixed feelings about the vision, and the whole Ron Wyatt thing…..and have thought it best not to comment rather than say something negative.

    Ok, why do I bring it up now? Again, let me reiterate, about WHAT the Ark of the Covenant…………AND………….the Tabernacle…………..MAY be A Part of…… what COULD happen…………SOON.

    Did the images just HAPPEN to end up in that painting? Or did God Prove HIS HAND in it?
    Any other explanation really defies logic or reason.

    The Truth is that Ron’s Discoveries ARE REAL…….God WILL Continue to Prove that He is very Satisfied and Comfortable to use Imperfect Vessels, even if WE are Uncomfortable by His Choice to do so.

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  58. To clarify….when I said, “to the right of Christ”, I mean, as He is positioned on the Cross,

    In other words….TO the Right of Christ on the Cross is….to the Left SIDE of the painting.

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  59. Shorttribber as a { wanna be artist myself } I tend to dissect every little detail of my own work and did see this ” image” in your painting a while back. I thought it would be wise not to comment and honestly I only saw the ” scull” you have noted but not the ” face” of our Father{?} as you have pointed out.

    The prophet Isaiah spoke of one who had “no form nor comeliness”-“no beauty that we should desire him”

    Does God have a face? if so is that what He looks like? I mean it almost looks like the ” shroud of Turin ” right ? as well as all the countless RCC paintings of the ” jesus” that hangs over almost every fire place in America. You know the very attractive, blue eyed jesus.

    I quoted this verse to the Jewish lady that the Lord is allowing me to witness to and she agreed with me { I don’t know if she was just being kind } but His word will NOT return void . Thank-you all for praying for her in the loss of her daughter. She is currently in London.

    1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

    2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him.

    3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

    4 Surely he hath borne our grief’s, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

    5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. (Is 53)

    Would you please expound on what you trying to share with us here in this *statement.You’ve been very mysterious in sharing this and maybe this would be a good time don’t you think 🙂

    *”Ok, why do I bring it up now? Again, let me reiterate, about WHAT the Ark of the Covenant…………AND………….the Tabernacle…………..MAY be A Part of…… what COULD happen…………SOON.”

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  60. “Would you please expound on what you trying to share with us here in this *statement.You’ve been very mysterious in sharing this and maybe this would be a good time don’t you think 🙂

    *”Ok, why do I bring it up now? Again, let me reiterate, about WHAT the Ark of the Covenant…………AND………….the Tabernacle…………..MAY be A Part of…… what COULD happen…………SOON.”

    This is what I THINK Could happen….i’m only guessing……..just thinking out load….this is what I mentioned in one of the threads.

    “It is plausible in my opinion that when the items in the cave are moved to a location by God Himself or Angels, or both , to possibly the Temple Mount itself………………….it certainly will change everything on a worldwide scale.

    And there Could Be, right on the Mount, a Tabernacle for the Loser to Defile.

    you quoted…………..
    “The prophet Isaiah spoke of one who had “no form nor comeliness”-”no beauty that we should desire him”

    and you asked……..
    Does God have a face? if so is that what He looks like?

    The ref to no comeliness refers to Christ rather than the Father…..that’s what I understand.
    I suppose God the father should have a face if we could see in the spirit I guess….I don’t know……..the face just IS in the pic……I don’t think it is the face of Christ but, as I said, appears, at least to me, to Represent at least, the Father.

    I’m not describing the location well enough I think………let me try again……
    I’ll send a pic I have of the face to Wickus like I did before and it will be easier that way.

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  61. I anticipated that would be your response. Well NO man has seen God even Moses right? and no where in scripture has anyone seen Him in the spirit either 🙂

    I love that He is a CONSUMING fire.

    Shorttribber please if I may I don’t want to be distracted here but WHY does the pic{ in your painting } look like a RCC jesus? seriously I want to know.

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  62. “Well NO man has seen God even Moses right?”
    Who did Isaiah see?

    The scripture says…”No man hath seen God, and lived” Moses saw God, and died, very much to himself.
    So also did Paul and died to himself, Stephen saw God the Father and Christ at his right hand. Many saw Christ, who IS God, after His resurrection.

    A RCC Jesus?
    He doesn’t look like Any Certain SORT of Jesus as He is not shown in much of any detail, just as an outline or form in the smoke of the incense.

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  63. Shorttribber I too have DIED to self 😉

    Is this not misrepresenting the Word of God! Yes many saw Christ after His death but you are referencing “God the Father “right ?

    The point I’m trying to make is that there is NO visual account of His { The Father’s} appearance correct?
    Paul saw things that were UNSPEAKABLE correct ? is there any description of God the Father? If so please do quote the verse.

    You said ” He doesn’t look like Any Certain SORT of Jesus as He is not shown in much of any detail, just as an outline or form in the smoke of the incense.”

    Really ? I beg to differ.

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  64. “The point I’m trying to make is that there is NO visual account of His { The Father’s} appearance correct?
    Paul saw things that were UNSPEAKABLE correct ? is there any description of God the Father? If so please do quote the verse.”

    Isaiah 6

    1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple…………………………..
    …………………………………………….5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

    Did not Isaiah see God? Did not Moses See God…..did he not See God from the Back?
    He didn’t see His face, but he Did See His Back.
    Ex. 33
    “20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
    21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
    22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

    23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

    “You said ” He doesn’t look like Any Certain SORT of Jesus as He is not shown in much of any detail, just as an outline or form in the smoke of the incense.”

    Really ? I beg to differ.”

    I’m only talking about the painting, I have no idea what Jesus looks like…..i’m Only mentioned that I didn’t Paint Any Certain or Sort, but only Painted a Representation or Outline in the Smoke……..and only said that since you asked about Why it looked Like an RCC Jesus.

    you said…..
    “Is this not misrepresenting the Word of God! Yes many saw Christ after His death but you are referencing “God the Father “right ?”

    I just answered your question when you said that no one had Seen God.
    And just gave a brief list of those that had Seen God…….your reference being John 1:18 or Ex 33: 20.

    My understanding of Either of these verses is that NO MAN has SEEN God FULLY/COMPLETELY/ABSOLUTELY…………….Other than the Son of God, Who IS Coeternal WITH Him.

    That’s what John 1:18 means……..at least that’s what I understand it to mean.

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  65. (Perhaps you should move your conversation to the right thread, after all? But I guess we are slightly off topic already.)

    Just popping by to thank you all for praying. The house sale is in full swing. We just have to pray nothing goes wrong.
    God has granted us extra strength, and we are encouraged.

    On another note, André, I just want to say you are not alone in feeling that way. I carry that ‘groaning’ within as well. And so do others here, too. We all sense this ‘outpouring of darkness’.
    I believe the world soon WILL turn a corner. And this will only happen when it’s God’s time for it to happen. Don’t forget it’s all in His hands – even when it looks really dark.

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  66. finding His strength, in and through my weakness. finding His liveliness, in and through my weariness. Bless you all, as i am being blessed by you all in your love and striving for Jesus. We Have Won!

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  67. as i walk by faith and not by sight, i can truely say that, “today the world seems’ brighter”! Believe it,…or not.

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  68. Amen Ingela. Praise God for the answered prayers!!

    You said-
    “On another note, André, I just want to say you are not alone in feeling that way. I carry that ‘groaning’ within as well. And so do others here, too. We all sense this ‘outpouring of darkness’.
    I believe the world soon WILL turn a corner. And this will only happen when it’s God’s time for it to happen. Don’t forget it’s all in His hands – even when it looks really dark.”

    Girls, I believe we turned that corner a while back 😦 The saddest of all this is there are “Christians” that believe there is a massive OUTPOURING of the ” spirit” coming and sound very much like these new-agres. Please believe me when I say that me my exposing this has cost me all that I love. This JEZEBEL spirit HATES the servants of God and will go to every length to cause them to ” eat things” sacrificed to idols. It’s not a PHYSICAL eating by the way. Idolatry is ANYTHING that glorifies S E LF and is not a little Buddha statue either 😉

    I was sent a very disturbing video clip of pure evil as they ” birthed a vile “PLANETARY PENTECOST” it was the “Birth 2012 Gala Event”.

    Please PLEASE BEWARE and GAURD your heart and mind in Christ Jesus before you watch.
    If you can stomach it…try the listening at the 13:00 min. Oh Lord God please PROECT Thy own. The deception waxeth worse!

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  69. shorttribber. i will have to go back and look closer at the picture that was painted. i read ezekiel 1-3 this morning and was impressed that what he saw was both specific and non-specific at the same time and i wondered about what you saw and then painted that it was somewhat that kind of experience also–things to hard to describe to put down yet having some “form” to it to make it what a finite mind would able to grasp in what is portrayed to be about spiritual details being understood more than what one sees with our human eyes. i do not want to step outside of the Written Word (the 66 books of the Bible) to interpret anything–from anybody–but if something is in keeping with the Word of God then whatever that thing is will manifest somewhere what the Written Word is saying though not actually included in that canon-like a parallel to it-not aside away from it. there are modern day dreams and visions because the Holy Spirit was promised (joel ch 2) and-we know-He did come as the early church is testament of-and the church is yet in that church age of Grace–the Spirit Alive and Active–let the reader understand…..God continues to manifest His Word-and-His-Ways-(that always refer back to what He has written) for the believer to know that God is Able to carry His church through every era of human history. in hebrews it says that God spoke through His prophets and then finally and exclusively through His Son—if something Glorifies God the Father through Jesus Christ the Son then it is His manifest–will without a doubt be proven true–so we will test what you say as we are told to but i want to be careful not to dismiss anything that is “yet speaking” Jesus as the Exalted Lord as the Holy Spirit will bear witness and the church will be edified (and warned/encouraged/built up). i do take to heart what ron wyatt’s story tells as it to my understanding tells of the Lord Jesus Who is outside of man’s thoughts and ways to get His Will accomplished on earth as it is in heaven-fulfilling all patterns and types within that canon-whether i understand it all or not–and only encourages my faith in what God Spoke from the very beginning and moved men by His Spirit to record for every age of men. for some today the Trinity is the Father the Son and the Word–the Bible teaches us that the Trinity is the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit (Who will guide us and teach us All that is True john 16:13-14 specifically but really a developed thought from john ch 14-17). so i pray that we be Spirit led with the Word to know what we see in and of this world.

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  70. Shorttribber nobody{ or am I assuming again ?} else seems to see the pic of ” God the Father ” in your painting other than myself and wonder if you could explain it a little more clearly.
    To me it looks like the Shroud of Turin , it has the same features.
    I will wait on the Lord before I comment in haste.I tend to do that way too much 😉

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  71. that painting is wonderfully mysterious, in Christ, revealing deep truth, as Our Father inspired our brother, ‘ shorttribber ‘, Rick, in a most truely awesome way. Praise God n pass the blessen’s, please!!! i see the Love of God all over that painting,…that ‘inspired’ painting! I am moved by Gods Spirit and am in awe!

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  72. Ooohhh, that video gave me the creeps!
    “Let us create”! What blasphemy!
    Satan is a plagiarizer, and he can only ever pervert the things of God. He’s got his fake ‘Christ’, and now he has a fake ‘Pentecost’ lined up. ‘The strong delusion’, very likely.

    Interesting that Barbara (Marx Hubbard) said there’s an end to ‘separation’. And we already know that by separation New Agers mean claiming there is only one Way, and thereby excluding all other ways. ‘Exclusiveness’ is the greatest sin in the New Age. Guess who will be the culprits…

    Right now we have outpourings and delusions going on here in Sweden. Some Hinn/Bentley wannabe, who claims he has started a new ‘revival’. And the christian TV station airs the whole spactacle live…! It’s an outpouring, all right. It’s ‘fire, fire, fire’, and people falling left right and center (with eye witness reports of people actually getting injured falling backwards). It’s jerky movements and freaky laughter. It’s ‘come and get IT’!
    Some travel far and wide to ‘catch the fire’, and they all line up to ‘catch it’.

    And “my people want it so”.

    But true revival is always about brokenness, repentance and holiness.
    ‘Revival’ has become about as abused a word as ‘love’.

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  73. CONCERNING YOUR COMMENT INGELA, YEP YOU ARE RIGHT ON, AS THE COUNTERFIT MVMT HAS USED[ AND THRU DISTORTION AND PERVERSION, ]ABUSED THE THINGS OF GOD , IN AN ATTEMPT TO MISLEAD THE MASSES.,…brokenness, repentance and holiness,..all the way, i believe as you do,amen and thank you.

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  74. “Shorttribber nobody{ or am I assuming again ?} else seems to see the pic of ” God the Father ” in your painting other than myself and wonder if you could explain it a little more clearly.”

    Again, I will say, it to me is a Representation of God the Father.

    Vic mentioned in a note that he could not see it….I have no idea if any others can….I will only add that, other than Vic, I’ve never shown that pic to anyone and pointed to the area and they couldn’t see it. Not to say anything negative about or to Vic, I just don’t know why he can’t.

    And again I will add, I never intentionally put the other images into the painting, they’re just in it.
    And I have no explanation for why it should look at all like the image on the Shroud of Turin.
    I have no opinion on the Shroud either way.

    Based on what you said below…
    “Shorttribber as a { wanna be artist myself } I tend to dissect every little detail of my own work and did see this ” image” in your painting a while back. I thought it would be wise not to comment and honestly I only saw the ” scull” you have noted but not the ” face” of our Father{?} as you have pointed out.”

    Did you not say that you saw only the Scull? And then you’ve said also that you did not see the face of Father, or rather, the Representation of the Father.
    I don’t know to call it an Image of some kind of the Father or a Image of the representation of the Father…….as I said…….I didn’t put it there intentionally.

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  75. “But true revival is always about brokenness, repentance and holiness.
    ‘Revival’ has become about as abused a word as ‘love’”

    Amen to that….no such thing as Revival without them.

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  76. Tony you said :

    ” i clearly see the face of GOD and understand it clearly and dearly. ,…even as i look thru glass darkly. HONEST”

    It IS NOT the face of God Tony! How can you even say that ? I actually feel physically sick reading that comment. Seriously!

    Ingela you said ” And “my people want it so”.
    Yes amen, the people LOVE it so!

    Jer 5:31 — The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

    They cry out ” Tell me lies….. sweet little lies” { argh now I can’t get that song out of my head } nah not really 😉

    Shorttribber you said:

    “Did you not say that you saw only the Scull? And then you’ve said also that you did not see the face of Father, or rather, the Representation of the Father.
    I don’t know to call it an Image of some kind of the Father or a Image of the representation of the Father…….as I said…….I didn’t put it there intentionally.”

    At first I ONLY saw the skull yes…UNTILL LAST NIGHT . That was when I saw the ” image” of a face that looks like the Shroud of Turin.

    My question’s are not been answered so I will go to the ONLY source of truth on this and will wait on Him to lead and guide me on how to respond here.

    1Jo 2:27 — But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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  77. “My question’s are not been answered so I will go to the ONLY source of truth on this and will wait on Him to lead and guide me on how to respond here.”

    Which questions have I not answered?

    But I have asked several that you have not answered…….one being……Who did Isaiah See when he said this…..

    Isaiah 6
    5 Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.

    “and ye need not that any man teach you”
    He said that to the Apostles………are you inerrant in doctrine as the Apostles?

    “It IS NOT the face of God Tony! How can you even say that ? I actually feel physically sick reading that comment. Seriously!”

    God only knows….and i’m certain you do not……..sorry…..God will answer this whole matter in his time.

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  78. I agree with you, Hisown;
    going to the Only Source is the only way.

    Our experiences, and others’ claims, can lead us to very wrong conclusions.
    We are presently debating this ‘fire-outopuring’ on a Swedish forum. A pastor resposible for inviting the fire-preacher used the example of his own mother as a template for whether it was sound or not.
    Apparently his mum had been ‘baptized in the Spirit’ in the fourties, and had in the process ‘broken two chairs’, and ‘spoken in tongues nonstop’.
    – Nobody think that’s outrageous?
    – Is that a behaviour honouring the Lord?

    Now, if we let such an incident guide us – then we can end up very deluded.
    As many poor christians sadly have.

    No, as you said – ‘going to the Only Source’ is the only way we can measure, and test.

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  79. i’m very sorry to have spoken in such a way as to upset you Rick. In a symbolic way only, i was picturing the face of the Father looking at His Son, thats all. Allow me to ask, is the one on the cross supposed to be none other than Jesus, like what i assume ,or am i wrong about that too? and does not the skull represent satan in the painting? /// When i look at the face on the left side of the pic, i see what i assume to be the Father gazing at His very own son…and, i also see a slde angle of what i assume is God looking over at satan, {the skull}. What i see is what I SEE and to me , its Truely Awesome. Please, take no offense

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  80. I’m not offended Tony….I know what you meant….and others have not….that ANY of the Images are Only Representative or Symbolic….All of them.

    And Yes…The Loser is Represented by the Serpent-Like Scull on the opposite side of the alter of incense.

    And Yes, it is Christ that is Represented by the figure on the cross.

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  81. Amen Ingela.

    I refuse to get into a tit for tat about something that is clearly NOT bearing witness with the Spirit and for me to even try and express that { in my flesh} is POINTLESS!

    I’ve forsaken ALL for the cause of Christ and am not willing to compromise my stand now. Those who know me personally { friend or foe} will testify that I REFUSE to bend this knee to anything BUT Christ. I’ve come way to far to do that 😉

    It’s about ENDURING till the end and not stubbornness or any defiant act that some may assume may be driving me. It’s my LOVE for the Lord that has LOVED me like none other. He has proven Himself in ways that not too many people have experienced. I say that in much humility and give HIM all the glory for His faithfulness.

    As a very young widow the Lord gave me this *scriptural promise , which since then has been affirmed countless times in the past few yrs. Funny how almost everybody {unknowingly } who pray for me somehow give these to me.I love that God’s Word NEVER returns void.

    Two weeks ago I had a patient { she claims to be born again } ask me what was written on my hand. I had received a txt from another believer prior to seeing her with these verses being confirmed twice that day . Anyways not to go into too much detail she asked me to read these to her out of her ESV bible. I said I’m not able to do that but will quote it for her as I know it 😉 After I had done that she went into a complete rage….it was the most horrifying thing and told me to *hut the *8ll up and NOT to speak that way because WHO TALKS LIKE THAT anyways. A sad reality hit me on Monday morning as I arrived for my early shift.I will leave it at that and pray that in this she will repent of her wicked ways. This is but only one instance that the Lord has shown me that IF HE is for us , who can be against us ? This is a PROMISE to ALL of us here!

    *Is 41:10 Fear thou not; for I [am] with thee: be not dismayed; for I [am] thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.
    (k) That is, by the force of promise, in the performance of which I will show myself faithful and just.
    41:12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not l find them, [even] them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of naught. Because they will be destroyed.

    Mat 18:6 — 8:6 2 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

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  82. Hisown, as ever, I appreciate your comments. And your honesty.
    I didn’t know you were a widow. [My deepest sympathies.]
    I have perhaps not come as far as you when it comes to being ‘unbending’, but I believe I’m on my way. Sometimes I am surprised at what I myself have written!

    As you say, it’s not hardness, or stubbornness, but rather a love for the Lord, and for the Truth, that fuels this ‘unbendedness’. Plus, a growing hatred of false teachings and delusions that deceive the flock.

    We have an ongoing discussion over at the Swedish forum. (Could provide a link, but…)
    Some representatives of the ‘outpouring’ are quite upset with us, and call us deluded, unloving, etc. Views are divided: some are all for the ‘fire-outpouring’, and think it’s the start of a revival that will sweep the nation.
    Others of us don’t feel that way.

    And when it becomes clear Rodney Howard Browne, ‘the Un-holy Ghost Bartender’ is in at the roots of it all – it makes it even easier to discern.

    In the States (I guess that’s where you live?) you have the dis/advantage of having such a strong, evangelical tradition. Almost ‘everybody’ seems to say they are Christian and ‘born again’. Well, by their fruit…
    This is not the case in Sweden. We now live in a post-christian society, where Buddha, Yoga and meditation have become the new religion…
    And these influences are creeping into the churches!

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  83. whoops, i thought that was YOUR comment Rick, but it came from, His Own, Colleen! YIKES my bad. However my answer speaks to you Colleen,…its a graphic representation. i mean my son tony did a pencil drawing of himself this year in art class! it was awesome, it was a drawing of himself, it was not actually him, just a graphic representation, and it reminds me of him. Its obvious[ as in, IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING ] that we don’t know what Our Father in Heaven,”YAHWEH” looks like,….soooo, when i said i see the Fathers face in the painting, clearly and dearly, i mean it, IN THAT CONTEXT. Certainly nothing to allow yourself to become sick over. i mean, seriously…………………………………………! Please read my response that i accidently addressed to tribber, and see what i have stated. i mean , i am sorry if i upset you Colleen, but please, just how intricately hyper careful do i have to get with my usage of words here.! Did you actually think, that i REALLY think, that i am seeing THE-ACTUAL-UNKNOWN-FACE-OF-GOD-THE-FATHER or simply what could possibly be thought of as the Father, in the context of the painting?

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  84. Ingela ,
    Thank-you for hearing my heart and being so transparent yourself. Funny how many don’t seem to want to share details, it says a lot when they don’t share and talk in deep mysterious ways and don’t get to the POINT!!! Sorry I always shoot from the hip 😉

    I was widowed at a very young age { when most of my friends didn’t even consider marriage yet } and was blessed by two precious little gifts from the Lord to bring them up when everything you can imagine was against MY FAITH. I’ve lost ALL family for the cause of Christ and trust me I’ve met some pretty wicked wolves on the way as well{ widows seem to be one of the main targets for these}.May God have mercy on their souls , worst is I’ve witnessed their fall. I say that in godly fear!!!!
    I’m not American { Vic and I are both South African} but live in Canada and am remarried.

    Tony please no need to apologize.I’m not even a ex RCC and need to let you know that IDOLATRY is alive and well , even in many ” born-again} homes.

    Yes stuff like this actually makes me ill.

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  85. South Africa – a place I’ve wished to visit one day! (And Canada!)
    Have got some friends from down South, so I would have been able to guess from your accent. Did know Vic was from there, but for some reason I thought you were either the States or Canada. Well, Canadians and Swedes have very similar climates, and seem to have about the same sense of humour. 🙂

    Widows seem to be a target for wolves – yes, I think Scripture has a comment on that! I’ve stumbled across some wolfy tracks myself. Wolves also prey on the weak of the flock, and I had been ill for a long time, and succumbed to a ‘healing prophet’… No, no healing. Just tousled feathers. But this has actually helped me see much clearer now, when we have a wolfy ‘outpouring’ going on…
    (The Lord has used my chronic illness for good. And now I only pray ‘thy will be done’:)

    I’m actually surprised at myself for how very straightforward I have been in taking a stand against this ‘revival’ (that the visiting preacher keeps calling ‘his’ revival)! Some of the people involved have commented in our forum (that thay find hateful and despicable) that they would have felt it in theit spirits, if something was wrong about this outpouring.
    One brave sister replied that the last person to know their house is on fire, is the person in the house. She told straight forward that these people wanted their ears tickled, and therefore had succumbed to wolves.

    We learned Rodney Howard Browne (from your own back yard) phoned this preacher, and told him that ‘the anointing’ was over him, and to keep going. Well, to me, that’s like pulling the sheepskin off the wolf!

    Keep on watching, sister! Lovely to have you here/there. 🙂

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  86. i don’t quite know what to say. but, it seems as though you failed to hear, or, simply disbelieve my words,…..or you think i’m deceived, I guess thats it, you think I’m foolishly deceived. Do you think that or am i readind you and your above response incorrectly? please share your honest thoughts to me on this Colleen, my friend and sister in the Lord Jesus.

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  87. Tony ,
    You have clarified your position. Yes you may be reading my response incorrectly.
    There needs to be some serious prayer for our little place here and that’s where I will be found . In my prayer closet.

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  88. Tony you’re in my prayers.

    Ingela,

    Rodney Howard Browne’s antic’s make me physically ill.I’m embarrassed that I was born in the same country as him. I fear for him I really do.These guys seem to have a “power” over people as they use great swelling words of vanity, using enticing words to LURE one through the LUST of one’s OWN flesh.Lust is BORN when IDOLS are SET up in our OWN hearts!

    Think about that for a minute, what will Satan use to DRAW a person into a lie? Hey he has done this from day one right? Mmm what was it that enticed Eve again? Aha !!

    The scariest of all this to witness their ” convert’s ” metamorphosis as they end up worse than they were before, as so beautifully written here 🙂

    2Pe 2:22 — But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

    I love this verse the Lord gave me in 1996 and called me OUT of SA 😉

    2Pe 2:18 — For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

    The next verse and it EXPOSES their purpose and the ” snare” they place others in.They PROMISE them what again?

    While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

    No wonder God can’t stomach it and SPEWS then out of His mouth.

    The IDOLATRY in our own heart needs to be DETHRONED as we cast off every WEIGHT and SIN that so easily besets us.This INCLUDES placing our TRUST, RELIANCE and COMMITMENT to men.Period!!!

    What was it again about one being CURSED if we place our trust in man?

    Aha yes our hearts DEPART from the Lord as man becomes our i d o l right 😉

    Jer 17:5 — Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

    Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

    Things have changed.I say this in much fear and trembling.

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  89. Oh, Hisown,
    thank you for confirming what God has shown me in different ways today.
    I love it when the Body of Christ functions in harmony – across the globe!

    This thing about trusting in man – it’s devious. It’s a boat on turning waves.
    Whereas trusting in God povides a constancy. And it teaches us patience, as we wait for Him, instead of running ahead with horses and chariots from Egypt.

    When commenting on the miserable ‘outpouring’ here, I came across an interview with Andrew Strom. He says he thinks there was a genuine hunger for revival at the bottom of ‘Toronto’, and all that has followed since, but that there was no willingness to wait for God.

    “The first thing with real power that came around – they jumped on it. The first ‘anointing’, the first spirit with real power – they dived in!”

    “Just like with Abraham: Ishmael came first, because of an unwillingness to wait. [Trusting in man – or woman – instead.] And Ishmael has ever been a thorn in the side of Israel.
    That’s what Ishmael does, Ishmael produces a counterfeit. And sometimes the counterfeit preceeds the genuine.”

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  90. shorttribber and anyone else–i have been thinking about something….with all that is about to happen that looks like isaiah 17:1 and ps 83 in the middle east it occurs to me that after that (and God supernaturally protects and gives a victory to israel like he has done in 1947 and 1967) there could be a time when the world gives israel some new found “respect” and anti-christ is on the scene to make a covenant with them and let them have temple mount (sorta) because he will dividing it up between the big three religions (rev 11:1?) in the interest of “world peace” (sickening) that he will let them all have their own relics and shrines for worship up there that that is when the ark, etc might possibly appear and give israel some status politically and “religiously” and israel falls for the “peace” that anti-christ is brokering, ending up betrayed. then afterwards the ezekiel 38-39 war (all coming together now for that future event) where the Lord steps in to defeat anti-christ and his minions. the ark may serve it’s purpose for a time but then get disposed of because afterwards and by the time all this transpires, israel will have come back to their One True God and remember the ark and the old covenant no more. what do you think? anybody else have any thoughts on this? just thinking out loud too…of course i do not know this as certainty but is it Biblical to even think this a possible scenario? maybe somebody has a chapter and verse to apply here that could help sort this a bit more. thanks.

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  91. Andrea, Tim McHyde, prophecy teacher and author, has something to say about whats happening w/ Syria etc that appears to be insightful. i received it in an e-mail but i bet if you googled his name along with the words, Isaiah 17, Damascus,…it would probably come up. my e-mail is tonytarr11@yahoo.com,…….if you wish to contact me that way please feel free to do so, then i could send you the forwarded link, altho the google route will probably direct you. Good luck n God Bless,……he points out that things are probably not there yet in spite of how it looks,he then goes on to say why he thinks the way he does……..this guy strikes me as brilliant along these lines

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  92. I’ll answer a little later Andre’…..may need to be tomorrow….working hard in the shop….may run past midnight…great ideas ya got about that…..will post later.

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  93. André, with the words of Brother Brian: ‘Time will tell’.

    We can guess and second guess. But we may be totally mistaken.
    I was reminded of this today, as I read Malachi. The prophecies about Messiah there give no indication that it would end up being two millennia between the first and the second advent of Christ. In fact, I think those who read the prophecies ‘before the fact’ would understand it as though the ‘Day of the Lord’ and the (first) advent of Messiah were one and the same happening.
    (That’s why most scribes and scholars didn’t get they had Messiah in front of their eyes!)

    Likewise, I think it is probably just as hard for us to be dead (or alive) certain ahead of time.
    More important than having it all right ahead of time, is, I think, being vigilant and watchful. And not being deceived.

    And surely what happens in and around Israel may give us an indication.

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  94. will have to check that out tony, thanks-and yes ingela i do agree. speculations to understand as we rightly divide the Word of God to illumine what the events before us are really presenting is all part of watching–but absolutely as you are alluding to in your reply-we must keep a guard up around our minds to not let even a half truth (still a lie) come in to deceive. so i do want (to ask right questions/form ideas based on the Scriptures) to understand–but trust God’s answer His Way-His Time. if the scribes and pharisees of that time in history had mixed faith with their Scripture reading they would have understood the signs and miracles God gave right before their faces and would have saddled their donkeys and ridden the 5 or so miles from jerusalem to bethlehem to meet the Lord of Glory in that manger. God has always put all we need to know Him right under our own noses and understanding prophecy may prove to be pretty much the same. i’m desiring to be a berean with the Word about all issues of life and prophecy as well. i miss a number of things-as we all do-but in all my limitations i do just simply trust that the Spirit will guide me/us to the Truths we need to see right when we need to see them. thanks for always giving an encouraging word ingela. God bless you. (psalm 138:8 will speak very sweetly to you) 😉

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  95. Thank you André, for that timely encouragement! I think verse 7 applies quite well too.

    You are right. the scribes of two millennia ago lacked one important thing – or rather, an important person – the Holy Spirit. Yet Jesus rebuked them for not understanding the times right, and for not connecting the dots.
    As you say, it would certainly have been possible for them to figure it out, since the wise men actually came hot on His trails!

    But, then, the scribes might have been lured off the scent by the fact that (they assumed) Jesus was from Nazareth. And already there, he was disqualified, so to speak. (They had missed that prophetic word, I guess?) – ‘Can anything good come out of Nazareth…?’

    I do believe we can, and should, understand enough of prophecy to know where it’s heading. So please don’t think I’m against trying to piece the puzzle together. Don’t we all! 😉

    Yes, I have endeavoured to lay quite a puzzle myself: complete with horsemen, harlot, bride and Groom – all set within the corner pieces of the Jewixh/biblical feasts… 🙂
    (If anyone’s interested, I tink Dr. Gavin Finley ov Endtime Pilgrim has some interesting perspectives on the puzzle.)

    I just hope we are not thrown off the scent by something not fitting witin our frames. We may then end up chucking important pieces away, or perhaps, sitting on some… (Meaning we end up blocking our own view!)

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  96. thanks for the reply ingela. i am not quite locked down to any particular camp though i lean mid-trib. (i do like endtimes pilgrim’s site too). opinions including mine are just that-opinions. and they are like navels-we all have one!—but—–God’s Word is the Authority so i just know that we are not appointed unto wrath and i hang on to that. what really peaks my interest in how all this shakes out with israel and her neighbors and their plans to destroy it and how all this brings on the abomination of desolation with armies surrounding jerusalem. carving up the land of israel and then in particular temple mount is what i believe will be coming up before much longer as the middle east turmoil boils over and this whole thing is ramping up to a fever pitch as we speak. i think the stage is being set (nearly complete) in the political realm for “world peace” –advertized– “brought to you by your friendly neighborhood” anti-christ fella who is groomed for taking his position as the one who stands in the holy place to bring “final” peace and safety to the world-stopping the “plague” of religious wars (mostly the fault of the jews and christians) a poison pill of half-truths but all lies… like we said earlier—h e a v y.

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  97. You’re right, André. I also believe the stage is set, and that the ‘carving up’ of the land cake is about the next thing to happen: ‘a piece treaty’ so to speak.
    Interesting that we have these tremors now, just as the autumn feasts are up…

    This ‘not appointed to wrath’ could mean different scenarios: either as with Lot – rescue at the very last minute, or like Noah – shut away in the ark seven days before the rains started, or even, like the Hebrews in Goshen – while curses and darkness fell over the rest of Egypt (i.e. the world), the Hebrews were protected, and darkness didn’t get there.

    It may even (at least for some?), be like the three men in the burning oven – the Son of Man was right there with them!
    If we are still alive and around, we will see. All we need to know is that God will never leave us, nor forsake us, and that His ‘little flock’ does not have to dispair.

    Gavin Finley has written a couple of articles on ‘the Bozrah rescue’ – a possibility I’d say never gets talked about in church. Many times it’s simply lost in translation.
    And I am still not totally sure wether it’s reading into the text, or reading out of the text.

    (Nor does anyone over here really ever talk about the second advent, and the end times – us grassroots have to find fellowship around the hope of His coming on the internet!)

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  98. entering Gods rest,…….relinquishing control,…letting go. …………………………………….fast forward in my spirit, the New Jerusalem,…………………………………..all my focus is centered upon, the lamb. Let us rejoice and be at peace,…it is finished!

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  99. Woe, i say woe,…….look at the economic collapse site on the link provided on this site and see the articles / perspective laid forth on this syrian conflict! interesting….

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  100. Tony,
    I can’t quite figure you out.
    Sometimes you write really sober comments, and sometimes I guess you’re just displaying quirky humor – but half the time you make me wonder …

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  101. All I wanted to add Andre’ is that there are so many things that could occur that make sense and have a reasonable amount of scriptural support that we must just all be Ready…..for More than Any of us Expect.
    We’ve all got our systems and opinions and are fairly confident that we’ve got some ideas right…..the thing is though…..God has placed many decoys in the path of prophecy.
    Partial fulfillment, Decoys, Layers…..what ever they are….or mixed bits of each of these are common……..common enough to learn that we All WILL be surprised……..No Exceptions.

    Just my opinion of course….but I do believe….there remains No Exceptions…….We are All Dull of Hearing and Seeing Clearly…………….More than we Realize.

    But I do hope that i’m not wrong in saying that, THAT will Indeed Change, before the Wedding of the Faithful to Him Who’s NAME IS FAITHFUL.

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  102. thanks shorttribber. there are things that are hidden from our view and hearing because of dullness—yes i think you are speaking the truth about that. i know that is true of me-though i want that to change and pray for that very thing. i believe that there are many many things that God reveals-loves for us to uncover by faith(and will take faith to understand because spiritually discerned)–but perhaps many more that He Reserves for Himself to reveal in ways that only as we see them will we know them. meanwhile i pray to be a bride prepared-in anticipation of her groom-her lamp filled with oil. He will do the Ultimate in Shock and Awe. oh yes–time will tell……………

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  103. Ingela, i feel as though, you, on the other hand, are easy for me, to figure out,…….and i like and love what i see in you through your way of commenting. You bless me every time you comment! Thank you. ,….as for me,..? i sometimes get in these places in my spirit, where i choose to be kinda poetic with my style of expression,[ not that i’m any good at it]. i think maybe i shoot to express the inexpressible and it shows itself as sort of wierd. oh well, it takes all kinds to make up a world. to me, what i’m putting forth makes sense,…believe it,..or not! i hope not to seem strange,or at least not overly strange as a member of this website in a negative way. i guess i show some different sides of myself here,….humm, i must feel comfortable in doing so amongst you all,…thats a good thing,i think. This has come up once or twice before. i once wrote a poem that went like this: “Little eddie wanted to be free,…………so little eddie grew wings!” love to all

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  104. have i made myself clear???,…..remember, yer looking thru glass darkly now. /////// p.s. i;m just funning around,…its cause life seems so very good to me, all in all.,..and i guess i do have a silly bone in me somewhere,..even my dad used to say that, as he was ready to lock me in my bedroom. bless’ens

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  105. there is something else that is running around in my spirit and for now the best i can do to convey it, is to bring [ to anyone who may be interested in it ] to mind that song that bette midler did some years back, called, ” From a Distance “. it makes me wonder

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  106. Thank you for your sweet words, Tony.
    I appreciate the way you all have welcomed me here.

    There is a time and a place for everything. And of course we should be able to, to some degree, be personal here. And even to display some humour! Even Jesus did on occasion.
    But maybe there’s a difference in being personal, and being private?

    Perhaps those displays of private awe and ‘fizz’ are better kept to our own prayer closets?

    We all need to be careful of not using this forum as a private dumping ground, or even a playground. Sometimes maybe we need to ask ourselves whether we write to relieve some private need to express ourselves, or whether we write for the benefit of edifying the Body.

    (Sure, there’s room for the former: we are to share each others’ burdens, and to pray for each other. A beautiful trait I’ve already seen in action here.)

    Just yesterday I read that God wants us to grow in ‘manly maturity’. Someting to ponder, (especially for us sisters). And to be honest, I am a little weary of christian men (in very general terms now) who still behave much as children, when we desperately need them to grow up, and stand as men, in the times we live in!

    A combination of a general, and a personal reply, Tony.
    If we correct each other, and build each other up in brotherly/sisterly love – then the whole body benefits. We are admonished to ‘leave childish things behind’, and to press on towards the goal. Think I’ve seen a longing for that, even through your comments. 🙂

    Love in Him

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  107. Shorttribber,
    I very much agree with your last comment.

    Just as the prophecies were both revealed, and concealed, when it comes to Messiah’s first advent – so I reckon they will be both clear and ‘misty’ to us.
    But I believe, if we stay awake and vigilant, we may with the Holy Spirit’s help discern what is happening.

    Tracking with map and compass is tricky in a dense wood. However, when we come to more open ground, we can begin to discern some landmarks – and the map begins to make sense to us. Perhaps we are still trailing thru the forest?

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  108. like i said, ” you bless me with your every comment, Ingela “. Thank you, kindly! I am balancing on this wave that i am riding,……and its fun! i see the LIGHT! the LOVE of GOD is real! ISRAEL!……peace my sister n bless’ens!

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