North Korea – is not what it appears to be – Update 4/11

I’ve been meaning to post about the situation in North Korea for the past several days, and some of you may have gotten e-mails from me while I was researching and refining the ideas I wanted to share. This post won’t be so much about prophecy directly, as it will be some of my observations about politics in the far east and how it might affect the broader landscape across the globe, and especially in the middle east.

In order to follow my post you have to accept one concept – In the world today there are many nations who see the United States as their number one adversary. They say nice things in diplomatic circles and are happy to sell us their exports, and if necessary buy some of our products, but the truth is they’d rejoice if the United States were knocked out    of its position of economic and military dominance. This has been happening already, gradually, but I suspect there is a day coming that the US will suffer a crucial blow that will diminish the significance of its economy, and force it off the world stage militarily. There was a time when the US market was too critical to China, Russia and others – now I don’t know if that’s true any more. Also, if the US looks like it’s on its way to recovery, and greater energy independence – I can see how that would appear very threatening to China and Russia if they were seeing dark clouds gather over their own economy and energy exports.

As Pastor Brian commented earlier today, the North Koreans have not been escalating their rhetoric to its current heights these past few weeks without at least tacit acceptance from China and Russia. If either of them wanted to shut down Mr. Kim and his regime they easily could, but I don’t see a good reason they’d want to. Both benefit from the tension that is brought to the region by North Korea – it takes the focus off of them and anything they might be doing to expand their influence over the Pacific theater.

These past two weeks I’ve seen everyone from the US government and media (which don’t seem to be separate organisms any more, sadly) attempting to downplay the threat of North Korea. They focus on how backward and poor the nation has become, and how his missiles couldn’t possibly have the range to deliver a nuclear warhead from North Korea (NK) to the US mainland. My opinion is that they have greatly underestimated NK’s creativity and their desire to hurt the US. In this age of IEDs and guerrilla warfare it’s ridiculous to think that the only way a rogue state could deliver a nuclear weapon is via an ICBM. I’m sure there are people out there working on defending against non-traditional types of attacks (like a mobile missile launch platform concealed on the deck of a cargo ship or large fishing vessel) but it amazes me that universally the risk is being downplayed as slim to nil since their ICBMs don’t have the range.  There is a pretty good analysis of the threat here:

I agree with Pastor Brian as well. There are many in the world that would prefer to see the US become less and less involved in Middle East affairs. They may think the problem would have been solved many times over if not for the US meddling in the region and supporting Israel against the Palestinians and her neighbors. They do not realize that when the US stops being involved in the region – that the maker of the universe Himself will come to Israel’s aid and destroy those who would wish to destroy her. Back to the other players –  this situation in the middle east and probably others are sufficient to inspire powerful nations to at the very least not hinder, and possibly provide aid to the psychotic ambitions of NK.

All of the analysts I’ve heard also seem to count on North Korea realizing it would be completely obliterated by US response if it attacks. This assumes that Kim Jong-un cares at all what happens to his people. The interment camps and rampant starvation of his people are strong evidence that he only cares about one North Korean – Kim Jong-un. I’m purely speculating here, but if I were another nation who wouldn’t mind seeing the US severely crippled, but didn’t want a war myself, I might secretly send word to Mr. Kim that he would be safe to flee to my country if he attacks the US. I may have no intention of honoring that promise, but if I make it convincingly enough, he might just go and do the awful thing that will destroy his nation, cripple the US and give me a chance to emerge as the next great global power. Another thing to consider, due to the size of North Korea and its proximity to Russia, China, South Korea and Japan it’s not like the US could unleash a punishing nuclear response to any attack – because the fallout would be carried on the winds to either Japan or China depending on the season (this time of year I think the winds would carry it directly over Japan). The US could still inflict massive damage on certain parts of NK – but I don’t think it given the terrain it would be as easy to destroy as Iraq’s military was, and I honestly don’t think the leadership there cares. There has been speculation in the news as well that preparations are being made for the fall of the NK govt from within. This further underlines my suspicion that the leaders there like Mr. Kim are aware of this and may see it as their last chance to strike out at those they see as their mortal enemies – who they blame for destroying their country. If they are about to fall anyway – why not poke the  US in the eye as hard as they can, and then run away.

I suppose I should make one last speculation. How does this relate to prophecy? I am not really sure, but many of the studies I’ve done and works I’ve read on end-times prophecy indicate that the US is not directly referred to at all. I know some may debate this, but I really have yet to see anyone make a clear, convincing case based on a very plain reading of scripture that the US is at all a leader or a key play in the last days. Is this one of those things that begins to push this country off the world stage? I don’t know, I just know that this is a far more dangerous time than people that run our government and mass media want us to believe.

On a personal note, I have a step-daughter who is currently living about 30 miles northwest of Washington DC – which is one of the primary targets in a first strike scenario. Thankfully that puts her upwind of the city, but if this continues to deteriorate please keep her in your prayers.

Update 4/10/2013

Read this article at Extinction Protocol.

He outlines why and how this crisis is different than other blusters from North Korea in the past – how Kim Jong Un hasn’t left himself and out, and how Obama foreign policy is further exacerbating the situation.

Update 4/11/2013

It’s now 1 day past when North Korea had indicated they may attack. There are reports that they’ve readied a missile along their east coat -I personally think that it’s a distraction from what they are really doing. It’s kind of like the magician doing the card trick – he makes the big flourish at the deck or item you’ve chosen with one hand while his other hand is quietly positioning your card or planting one up his sleeve. Also the most important news story in my opinion, that no one picked up – Iran has vowed to defend North Korea if they come under attack.

Iranian Military Chief Vows to Defend North Korea from US

As indicated yesterday – in the normal sense their strategy makes no sense at all, and backs him into a corner. I think that is by design, I am guessing Kim will continue to bluster and make grandiose, aggressive claims, and appear more and like his forces are about to attack – until someone blinks and launches a pre-emptive attack to stop them, and only then do he and any of his allies launch their real attack  that is intended as a single crippling blow to the US. At that point he and his allies, whoever they may end up being can run to China and Russian claiming self-defense in order to blunt the response from the US. These are all just educated guesses on my part – but I’m with Brian and others that believe there is a lot more going on here, and a lot more that has been orchestrated than is being talked about by the media.


101 thoughts on “North Korea – is not what it appears to be – Update 4/11

  1. Powerful post Mr Sheep. Thank-you for sharing your authentic and sincere thoughts as they bear witness.

    I wrote a long response and somehow pushed some little key on my mac and lost it all. So let me try again 😦

    You said : “In the world today there are many nations who see the United States as their number one adversary. They say nice things in diplomatic circles and are happy to sell us their exports, and if necessary buy some of our products, but the truth is they’d rejoice if the United States were knocked out”

    Could not help but think on this verse after reading that.

    Rev 17:16 — And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

    You said : ” I’m purely speculating here, but if I were another nation who wouldn’t mind seeing the US severely crippled, but didn’t want a war myself, I might secretly send word to Mr. Kim that he would be safe to flee to my country if he attacks the US. I may have no intention of honoring that promise, but if I make it convincingly enough, he might just go and do the awful thing that will destroy his nation, cripple the US and give me a chance to emerge as the next great global power.”

    Could China this be this nation being referred to in the warning confirmation scripture – 14/7/2007 for the “appointed time” in Habakkuk chapter 2?

    Verse 7 gives me the hibbigibbies 😦

    Will not your creditors suddenly arise? Will they not wake up and make you tremble? Then you will become their prey.

    Could it be that the Lord raises them up as part of the judgment for daring to divide His land and placing that heavy yoke on her.The Habakkuk 2 scripture seems to affirm the Isaiah 47 warning scripture confirmation from the Lord on the 30/3/2003 for the Road Map to Peace!

    Can’t but help think on a very chapters I was reflecting on last week.

    Jeremiah 50.

    verse 9 – { an assembly of nations }

    For, lo, I will raise and cause to come up against Babylon an assembly of great nations from the north country: and they shall set themselves in array against her; from thence she shall be taken: their arrows [shall be] as of a mighty expert man; none shall return in vain.

    verse 41- { many Kings }

    Behold, a people shall come from the north, and a great nation, and many kings shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.

    Praying for your step daughter.


  2. Thank you for your encouragement, and for pointing us back into the scriptures I have some studying to do now. As far the the Israeli ultimatum – I think it is based on the principle that they 1) have some idea how much nuclear material Iran possesses 2) have good intelligence on how far along they are toward building a nuclear device 3) have indicated that at some definite point, Netanyahu’s “Red Line”, there will be nothing that outside that outside military intervention could reliably do to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. My guess is that the Israelis believe that Tehran will reach the “Red Line” within weeks.


  3. allow us to get out of here LORD,…out of the U.S.A.,… do i actually mean this? where shall we go to? higgibeegees, Colleen, meee tooooo! Seriously, it may be a great idea to leave here and a good time to plan and escape


  4. God bless your stepdaughter, Sheep. Wow, what a post on all of this! Downright interesting w/ the timing and all A wake up notice i would say! much appreciated


  5. Pro 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.
    Pro 18:11 The rich man’s wealth is his strong city, and as an high wall in his own conceit.
    Pro 18:12 Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility.

    Watching this closely, and remember all the times we have been through this with NKorea, with the father and grandfather. I am sure someone, stronger country, Russia or China or both, Iran are behind this stuff. Helps them out a lot for distraction I do think although I am not saying NKorea is not pretty strong with their military that is for sure.

    I am reminded as well that there is scripture in Revelation about the Kings of the East rising and going up through the Euphrates dried river bed.

    Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
    Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
    Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

    Pro 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower: the righteous runneth into it, and is safe.

    Many years ago no one had any idea that NKorea, and China would be this powerful. Or the Arabian countries as well. Prophecy marches on and the Lord knows for sure.

    Praying for all of you here and your families. My daughter is in Texas which was a target for the young Kim as well.

    Keep strong in the Lord and remember we rejoice that our names are written in heaven. Even so, Come Lord Jesus to your world and set up your kingdom.

    Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
    Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
    Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
    Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
    Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
    Luk 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
    Luk 10:23 And he turned him unto his disciples, and said privately, Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
    Luk 10:24 For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.


  6. van’s ready. Just got to load the family and the books….i’m just pray’n there will be time for lot’s of reading along with food gathering.
    My plan is to take most all the small to medium sized Bibles and books and leave all the big books and Bibles around the house with every one of them opened up to Math. 24.


  7. Wow Shorty is there place for me in that van? I mean I did adopt you right?
    Only kiddin . I will hang out here in beautiful British Columbia and be like a wanna B Rahab.
    Shorty in all the years I’ve read your comments, this is the first one of this nature. That tell’s me something.
    Btw Tony , please hug Sam from me. Been thinking about him all day today. Weird how we can love animals we don’t even know . I lost my gazoozzie last year and am still grieving the loss of him.Enjoy him and praise God that you are best friends! They are so precious!


  8. From what Biden said the other day about a New World Order then i think if the US did get hit by a nuke then it will just fast track that goal. The EU and other countries will rally around the US and will create some sort of global empire very fast to stop that from ever happening again.

    But regarding a nuke it will more than likely be a EMP (electromagnetic pulse) attack where they detonate a nuke way up in the atmosphere which will wipe out infrastructure, Wipe hard disks since they are magnetic, turn off life support systems, cripple transport across the whole nation and wipe out electricity, That will affect so many more people that dropping a nuke on a city these days.

    But if the US did go to a full scale war then the likely hood and “this is only speculation” that Iran would attack Israel while the US is occupied is likely and that’s when i think the EU comes to the rescue and maybe and “again speculation” the person running the rescue could be a retired person and you all know who i mean 🙂

    The other thing is the Banks meaning central banks like wars, and and its been proven over history many times they lend money to both sides to fight at high interest rates after printing money from nothing, so it doesn’t matter who wins they are the real winners in wars.

    Remember what Solana basically said… Crisis = opportunity

    If there is a full scale war in that area many people will die and will need our prayers. Its bad when the people suffer because of the egos of their leaders.


  9. Shared enmity towards the US and/or Israel can create unlikely friendships.

    We’ve spent a number of years living in the Middle East. (Gives me somewhat of a ‘scandirabic’ perspective.)
    When we lived in Damascus, my husband had a classmate at the arabic institute, who came from North Korea. He said that his father was there working whith the Syrian government on some secret project…

    It’s like seeing Ahmadinejad on tour to Venezuela – slightly unlikely friends, but apparently friends whith a shared interest?


  10. “Wow Shorty is there place for me in that van? I mean I did adopt you right?
    Only kiddin . I will hang out here in beautiful British Columbia and be like a wanna B Rahab.
    Shorty in all the years I’ve read your comments, this is the first one of this nature. That tell’s me something”

    The only adopted children in the van will be us locals! no ousiders….specialy thems from BC!OR DC! Or any them Letters! Have a nice day!
    Sorry….couldn’t hep m’self LOL!


  11. ROFL. Oh noooo I missed the Shorty bus that’s fer sure 😉 Hey I ain’t no BC local either, but a SA gal and that ain’t South America either. Tsk tsk:)

    Whew am so glad this world ain’t my home !

    Still love ya pop!


  12. An interesting clip indeed, Hisown.
    Problem is, it’s har to hear what Solana says. He’s got quite a heavy accent, at least to my ears. but I managed to extract some interesting snippets:

    Solana on the EU:
    “The only outcome is more integration, not less integration. That will present some problems, because the UK for instance, will not be happy to be integrated.
    But we have to see how we find this new arrangement, that maintains a core, which is very integrated…”

    Solana on Iran: “It’s difficult, but doable. I think that an agreement could be reached…”

    Solana on Syria: “Don’t forget that the Big Five are separated on Syria, but they have to be togeter on Iran.”
    “…a European-Russian-American agreement should be the key.”

    Solana on the Israeli/Palestinian peace process:
    “Kerry is a very strong personality, has experience, has a good knowledge of the problem, and the best we have now at this point in time is to get something moving. I hope very much that will be the case. Oterwise still other problems…[ ? ] will continue to be unresolved. At the end the Palestinian-Israeli problem continues to be at the center of reality for the stability in the region.”

    “It’s not that it will solve the other problems, but it will make it easier to solve them.”

    Solana: “Right, right…”

    “When you wake up in the morning and hear the news, you get a sense that the world is in turmoil…[ ] As somebody who is very nterested in the issue of global order – there looks to be a lot of disorder out there – how do you feel about the way the international system is now developing?”

    “Well, I feel sad, if I may say. I expected much more to take place, and learn from the crises from so many things have taken place. I don’t see the G20 playing its role, I don’t see the Security Council playing its role, I may have some hope that some of the original organisations may play a more important role, but…”

    Interviewer: “Regional organisations like…?”

    “…like the UN, or the [ ? ], the Arab League, etcetera. They may play more role – and the African Union, for instance, play an already important role, and they will be able to dynamize the system, but I don’t think that the [governance?] governments of the world is getting better. At least they are not getting better in the rythm that we expected.”


  13. i love this place. 😉 …it blesses me to read the thoughts and speculations that are based on Bible understanding and current world happenings–let the reader understand is what my Lord Jesus said—this goes right along with thoughts and feelings stirred in me too. it is as though i could have written so many these things you all have posted because my heart is linked to yours with a like mind and heart. lafreak expresses so very well what i believe is possible too. and i, like shorttribber, want evidences all over my home of God’s direction-the Gospel and Prophecies highlighted-to anyone left behind when we go Home! will take time later to check out the link Hisown so thank you for it. solana is very much still in the game. at every turn (“crisis or coming crisis”) he shows up in the most timely ways and occasions doesn’t he? like none other. ingela you understand first hand the stealth of some who are doing business that is no doubt becoming part of the prophetic. so this is a wonderful gathering place for the Lord to bring light to us in dark dark times. thanks go to God first and most for this prophecy site that He keeps going–and thanks to vic whom God has and will continue to use bringing timely and powerful Truth to folks in search of it. to all of you who post, comment, share, or prayerfully read along, you are a blessing. wow! God is Awesome! (He leads His people like a flock…ps 77:20)


  14. Amen and amen to the above posts. Ingela yes he mumbles and I too had to stop the clip quite a few times to re-listen and digest what he was saying. Thank-you guys for making this path so much easier to walk. Love and appreciate all of you as well.A special thanks goes to EnforcingHisgace.

    This may be posted elsewhere { Psst Bro Brian updated this morning } so please forgive me if it’s a repost .

    Warns Foreigners to Leave South Korea…

    North Korea intensified threats of an imminent conflict against the United States and the South on Tuesday, warning foreigners to evacuate South Korea to avoid being dragged into “thermonuclear war”.

    Japan Deploys Patriot Missiles to Defend Tokyo…



  15. Thanks for posting the video. That guy just won’t go away. It’s funny what sort of backhanded compliments he tries to give the EU an other international organizations. It seems he would promote a much stronger set of powers given to international organizations.


  16. Exactly, Justasheep.
    Are we hearing ‘more power to regional [or even global] governance’, and less to individual governments?
    Like someone [the last pope?] called for, ‘a United Nations with teeth’.

    After all, Solana is “very nterested in the issue of global order “.


  17. Thanks for the video clip, I forget to go out and check up on that guy. I noticed he says the groups are not playing their roles, well one day soon someone will step up and play that final role for sure.

    I also noted for the first time, as I have not watched him a lot , he wears no wedding ring on his left hand.
    although last time I checked he does have a wife

    thanks again guys


  18. hi Colleen, i gave sam that wonderful hug from you, as you wished, and we are both crazy about you and love how joyful you are along w/ all the other nice things about you,..and your Love for Jesus and His Truth. we want to SEE YOU in the flesh at our house in vermont! You are soo welcome here. we are sorry to hear of you loosing your animal friend with the cool name,” Gazoozzie”!! Thanks for the friendship and good vibes! Love in Christ, sam n tony,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you are as nice as they come,..bless you and your kin


  19. Thanks for the update, Rob. I also read this one from Alvin, Extinction Protocol, and I do feel something more is going on here. Now with the kings of the East getting together just as prophecy tells us, not sure of the timing of their combined move out together against Israel but seems a bit later on to me, all of this makes more sense.
    First of all North Korea knows it is backed by all the the other evil communist regimes. There was a time in this country when Americans and our leaders understood the evils of communism. Unfortunately the children, just like in Nazi Germany, and now adults, have all been brainwashed by the evil. Communist China, Iran which is much like communism, and all the others there, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Russia and its allies, are in on this one together I do think.
    The leader of course being Satan and antichrist spirit.

    This of course could be a big distraction to keep our eyes off of Iran, as Israel had reportedly been ready for a preemptive strike on their nuclear sites, and this takes for sure our resources away so a good excuse to not help Israel if needed.

    I watch and pray and mostly I pray for the soon end to all of this and the return of our Jesus to rule and reign on the throne of David in Jerusalem.


  20. Oh and I did discover that Europeans wear their rings on the right hand, at least that is what some say, and I think one time I did know this. Sorry for the misdirection there.


  21. Romalynn,
    where I come from (Northern Europe), we wear our wedding rings on the left hand.
    Whether it’s different in other parts of Europe – Spain in particular – I couldn’t say.

    (In the Middle East they also wear their wedding rings on the left.)


  22. Thanks Ingela, and all, we keep watching and praying. This just shows how the world truly is right now. Wars and rumors of wars, kingdom against kingdom.


  23. I’ve been seeing this link going around advertised as proof of an imminent attack by North Korea:

    I believe it’s scare mongering and another distraction by people who want to assume they have special secret knowledge of an attack. From the little research I did on this North Korean device that was sent into orbit – it’s about 100kg which from the little bit I know about nuclear devices is far too little mass for either a) low yield primitive nuclear device b) a reported EMP device that would need to be a fairly high yield device. Yield is the size of the blast often measured in kilotons or Megatons which refers to its magnitude as compared to a certain mass of TNT in thousands or millions of tons. The last time the US tested a high altitude EMP device back on 1962 – project starfish – it was a 1.4 megaton yield device that weighed around 800kg. I don’t think the north koreans would have been able to build something even that advanced or high yield given the very small number of actual devices they’ve been able to build and test compared to US and soviet experience back in the 60’s.


  24. i wonder if this whole n.korea thing is a on purpose distraction to allow iran a bit more time to ready up to give israel hell.,…and of course, obama knows it and they are leaving netanyahu shaking in his boots, setting him up to react and be looked upon, with all israel, as the wrong-doers, again


  25. Now today another bombing of Boston at the marathon on Patriot’s Day. Man’s inhumanity to man never ceases to just make me ill. Jesus come quickly


  26. It was also just prior to the start of Israeli Independence Day this evening. Everyone in the media seems to have collective amnesia of this fact – since CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBC, NBC and most major newspapers seem to be hoping it’s someone mad about US income taxes. All signs point to Islamic terror though – the one suspect they are seeking right now is a dark skinned man with a foreign accent – but the white house and media want it to be some skinhead from Oklahoma.


  27. Exactly Mr Sheep!
    Praise God that He is 100% in control.
    The Lord reminded me of Pro 1 : 24- 31 last night.

    Joining with you guys in our prayer chambers.{ Tony please make sure Sam is praying to Jesus -please see clip } 🙂

    For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.


  28. wow, that was fabulous! Thanks,…sam n i will have to work on that one…tuff act to follow,…truely awesome!


  29. when nothing else could help* / * the world further and further crumbles and falls into rebellion *Praise God!* we have a Loving Heavenly Father Who gave His One and Only Son to save us. we have the Light to share in the deep darkness!!! Jesus loves you. loves us all when we were His enemies romans 5:8…..but the Cross—dear Jesus Thank YOU for the cross—is the highest-deepest-greatest-expression of Love…..and today in this chaotic world i can use the sweet sweet reminder! bet you can too.. 😉 be blessed. —


  30. Joyous and alltogether UPlifting! very nice Andrea,……WOW, i crave for the time when all of creation is redeemed! When all needs are fully met, for ALL! PRAISE GOD as we eagerly await,……..i am blessed/ thank you


  31. Thanks for asking, she is doing WELL! The Good Lord is upholding her! Thanks be to God! One day at a time…God is Good forever and to Him i will forever cry out to. My mom is at peace and enjoying all the love [family n friends] that surrounds her, and to Our Father and His Son goes the Glory, thank you Jesus! 2 of my 3 sons are in arizona visiting her now and i trust that soon enough i too will be out there with her, by her side. She knows God has a plan and we put all in His hands PRAYER-FULLY, amen. She went from operations to out of the hospital to hospice and then to home!!! soo good! Thanks for your all prayers and may God bless you and yours fully,…continually. bye Andrea


  32. Andrea i hope James and your other kids are all so blessed with truth and with Gods love in their lives!!! /// btw has anyone ever looked into the hebrew language as the DNA of creation!!! Its phemenonal! youtube has a torah presentation of it all….i’ll be back w/ the address. Its GODS WORD! and its spellbinding! OH MY GOD! THIS IS BEAUTIFUL /// ALL PRAISE AND HONOR ARE YOURS LORD


  33. its by LIOR LIOR8,…..also in connect with,….take a look-see,…look, listen and SEE! the LOVE of GOD! and Be Blessed everyone


  34. will check it out when i find some time. thanks tony. we keeping praying for all of our loved ones friends and neighbors to receive the Lord Jesus and His Beautiful Forgiveness.


  35. Thanks Andre’ that is very interesting to see especially in light of the fact that the US sent troops to the Jordanian/Syrian border/


  36. This in my opinion is going to set off a chain of events that will lead us into what we already know is coming… ill post the text and a link under that if you want to look at the site.

    20 Signs That The Next Great Economic Depression Has Already Started In Europe:

    The next Great Depression is already happening – it just hasn’t reached the United States yet. Things in Europe just continue to get worse and worse, and yet most people in the United States still don’t get it. All the time I have people ask me when the “economic collapse” is going to happen. Well, for ages I have been warning that the next major wave of the ongoing economic collapse would begin in Europe, and that is exactly what is happening. In fact, both Greece and Spain already have levels of unemployment that are greater than anything the U.S. experienced during the Great Depression of the 1930s. Pay close attention to what is happening over there, because it is coming here too. You see, the truth is that Europe is a lot like the United States. We are both drowning in unprecedented levels of debt, and we both have overleveraged banking systems that resemble a house of cards. The reason why the U.S. does not look like Europe yet is because we have thrown all caution to the wind. The Federal Reserve is printing money as if there is no tomorrow and the U.S. government is savagely destroying the future that our children and our grandchildren were supposed to have by stealing more than 100 million dollars from them every single hour of every single day. We have gone “all in” on kicking the can down the road even though it means destroying the future of America. But the alternative scares the living daylights out of our politicians. When nations such as Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy tried to slow down the rate at which their debts were rising, the results were absolutely devastating. A full-blown economic depression is raging across southern Europe and it is rapidly spreading into northern Europe. Eventually it will spread to the rest of the globe as well.
    The following are 20 signs that the next Great Depression has already started in Europe…
    #1 The unemployment rate in France has surged to 10.6 percent, and the number of jobless claims in that country recently set a new all-time record.
    #2 Unemployment in the eurozone as a whole is sitting at an all-time record of 12 percent.
    #3 Two years ago, Portugal’s unemployment rate was about 12 percent. Today, it is about 17 percent.
    #4 The unemployment rate in Spain has set a new all-time record of 27 percent. Even during the Great Depression of the 1930s the United States never had unemployment that high.
    #5 The unemployment rate among those under the age of 25 in Spain is an astounding 57.2 percent.
    #6 The unemployment rate in Greece has set a new all-time record of 27.2 percent. Even during the Great Depression of the 1930s the United States never had unemployment that high.
    #7 The unemployment rate among those under the age of 25 in Greece is a whopping 59.3 percent.
    #8 French car sales in March were 16 percent lower than they were one year earlier.
    #9 German car sales in March were 17 percent lower than they were one year earlier.
    #10 In the Netherlands, consumer debt is now up to about 250 percent of available income.
    #11 Industrial production in Italy has fallen by an astounding 25 percent over the past five years.
    #12 The number of Spanish firms filing for bankruptcy is 45 percent higher than it was a year ago.
    #13 Since 2007, the value of non-performing loans in Europe has increased by 150 percent.
    #14 Bank withdrawals in Cyprus during the month of March were double what they were in February even though the banks were closed for half the month.
    #15 Due to an absolutely crippling housing crash, there are approximately 3 million vacant homes in Spain today.
    #16 Things have gotten so bad in Spain that entire apartment buildings are being overwhelmed by squatters…
    A 285-unit apartment complex in Parla, less than half an hour’s drive from Madrid, should be an ideal target for investors seeking cheap property in Spain. Unfortunately, two thirds of the building generates zero revenue because it’s overrun by squatters.
    “This is happening all over the country,” said Jose Maria Fraile, the town’s mayor, who estimates only 100 apartments in the block built for the council have rental contracts, and not all of those tenants are paying either. “People lost their jobs, they can’t pay mortgages or rent so they lost their homes and this has produced a tide of squatters.”
    #17 As I wrote about the other day, child hunger has become so rampant in Greece that teachers are reporting that hungry children are begging their classmates for food.
    #18 The debt to GDP ratio in Italy is now up to 136 percent.
    #19 25 percent of all banking assets in the UK are in banks that are leveraged at least 40 to 1.
    #20 German banking giant Deutsche Bank has more than 55 trillion euros (which is more than 72 trillion dollars) of exposure to derivatives. But the GDP of Germany for an entire year is only about 2.7 trillion euros.
    Yes, U.S. stocks have been doing great so far this year, but the truth is that the stock market has become completely and totally divorced from economic reality. When it does catch up with the economic fundamentals, it will probably happen very rapidly like we saw back in 2008.
    Our politicians can try to kick the can down the road for as long as they can, but at some point the consequences of our foolish decisions will hunt us down and overtake us. The following is what Peter Schiff had to say about this coming crisis the other day…
    “The crisis is imminent,” Schiff said. ”I don’t think Obama is going to finish his second term without the bottom dropping out. And stock market investors are oblivious to the problems.”
    “We’re broke, Schiff added. ”We owe trillions. Look at our budget deficit; look at the debt to GDP ratio, the unfunded liabilities. If we were in the Eurozone, they would kick us out.”
    Schiff points out that the market gains experienced recently, with the Dow first topping 14,000 on its way to setting record highs, are giving investors a false sense of security.
    “It’s not that the stock market is gaining value… it’s that our money is losing value. And so if you have a debased currency… a devalued currency, the price of everything goes up. Stocks are no exception,” he said.
    “The Fed knows that the U.S. economy is not recovering,” he noted. “It simply is being kept from collapse by artificially low interest rates and quantitative easing. As that support goes, the economy will implode.”
    So please don’t think that we are any different from Europe.
    If the United States government started only spending the money that it brings in, we would descend into an economic depression tomorrow.
    The only way that we can continue to live out the economic fantasy that we see all around us is by financially abusing our children and our grandchildren.
    The U.S. economy has become a miserable junkie that is completely and totally addicted to reckless money printing and gigantic mountains of debt.
    If we stop printing money and going into unprecedented amounts of debt we are finished.
    If we continue printing money and going into unprecedented amounts of debt we are finished.
    Either way, this is all going to end very, very badly.



  37. prepare for persecution simply by continuing to trust in Him,..thereby sticking to the narrow way,…His spirit of Truth in us will lead the way, amen. / This is what i am saying to myself, and sharing it with you all. The spirit man doesn’t get overwhelmed by this earthly/fleshly drama,..i say to myself. Thank you for your word Father, now we know. forewarned is forearmed, Praise God in Jesus name. what do you all think?


  38. The topic of this thread is “North Korea – is not what it appears to be”

    Well my brothers and sisters in Christ – Absolutely Nothing is what it appears to be – as it relates to the 2nd Coming of Christ.

    I wish that another thread could be created; however, In posting my thoughts, I want to offer words of Encouragement.

    Dear Body of Christ, we are battling Spiritual Warfare that is so very, very, powerful that if it were possible, it would deceive even the very elect. We are entering a time period where there is so much deception, and confusion is so prevalent, that it has caused division within the Body of Christ, throughout the entire Global Christian Community. I have seen it everywhere, even in my very limited walk of life as it relates to the entire World.

    Make no mistake about it…… beliefs; self-centeredness- or egotism; greed; catering to specific denominations; adultery; sexual immorality; and the need to please others – have all set it’s seed into the Christian Community, even so, that the Political Correctness view has dominated what the very core of being a Christian is all about. It ALL sickens me.

    Even as Brothers and Sisters in Christ – let’s be broken to this World, and it’s deceptions of Sin. Let’s KNOW who we are in Christ! And in this KNOWING, we have Power from the Most High! Let us be prepared to Die to this World, and it’s total deception – in order that we may LIVE! I am very certain that He who has begun a work in us all individually, will complete it until the Day of Christ!

    This was on my heart today, and I wanted to share it with this particular Body of Believers today.

    May God Bless You All!


  39. “I am very certain that He who has begun a work in us all individually, will complete it until the Day of Christ!” such a precious word from the Lord through you mr. baldy. His Saving Power includes His Keeping Power. (we are in the world but not of the world–by faith we stand). thanks for the reminder brother.


  40. Baldy it’s good to see you’re back !

    Now maybe you understand why most of what I wrote was always exposing the deception around us 🙂

    Many aren’t prepared for the spiritual battle we are in { we haven’t seen anything yet } and I for one praise God for the Spirit of truth that dwells within all those that are truly born-again.What a precious gift.What a comfort.What a relief.

    The lies and diablocal deception has taken on a even more sinister , seductive spirit it seems . The Lord is using these situations to strengthen us for the days ahead and for that I praise His most amazing name! I don’t see these as ” enemies” but a perfect opportunity to thank the Lord for using that to show me just how evil, evil really is. Trust me satan does not come with a pitch fork and a red suit, he comes as the most desirable and religious as can be!

    Judgement has truly begun in the house of the Lord. This is where the most VILEST of all evil must be exposed I suppose. I’m repulsed by the wickeness that hides behind great swelling words of vanity that seek to seduce God’s children away to i d o l a t r y and paganism. These men hold the TRUTH in UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. How evil is that!!

    Rom 1:18 — For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    You guys are daily in my prayers.


  41. Here is a blog post from Zerohedge on shadow economies….I think this is part of what will lead us to the mark….gov’t making it harder to escape taxes.

    Sorry don’t know how to make it hyperlink. The story is not important, just showing what the estimated shadow economy is generating for each European country. The important part is how much governments see that they are missing out on.


  42. This use to be one of my favorite sites, but like so many other prophecy sites the upkeep seems to have worn down those responsible down. Satan truly works against those trying to go upstream of what he wants to do, so it is no surprise that most prophecy sites seem to have a limited life span. But we are so near the end. Can not someone take the challenge and resurrect this site with more regular topics and thoughts to challenge us?
    Many of you are so gifted. Lord guide us and give us strength. Nkosazana


  43. Nkosazana, the signs of His coming ARE all around us,…….can you yourself challenge the body here with some thoughts? if you recognize the need, i think perhaps you may be able to contribute further. An incredible man that i met with yesterday challenged me as he spoke about ascension and the Guardian Alliance and his presentation was awesome,…but hey ,..christians dont have time for such nonsense, … you see, we allready Know it all / cause we have discernment! Boy oh boy, how far can minds go with data bases of information,…and where are these thoughts coming from???,…SATAN!!! , LUCIFER???! i mean UFO’s / Alien contact with earthlings and an agenda being brought forth and exposed to allow us to become more aware…and more pro-active, steering us to ascension. Is this repackaged New Age hocus-pocus? /// Did Yahweh really kill off 2 of Job’s kids


  44. we’ll see where this goes but—this whole scene is taking several twists and turns and where damascus ends up could be what is coming up. looks like east against west tension (russia/us) is rising and much of the middle east in between (like a simmering pot that could quickly come to a rolling boil) watching, watching (and feel need to pray for the syrian people caught up in the political/literal firestorm)…………


  45. Nkosazana, that was so beautifully and honestly spoken.

    I agree that the enemy always has his cohorts { provocateur agents } around that come in to kill , steal and destroy but I honestly don’t believe that anyone of us is intimidated by his malicious and cruel attacks. These are ” teachable moment’s ” to show us where the ” chink in our armour” is {which of course leads to GREATER VICTORY and GLORY alone to the Lord God Almighty!} Don’t you just love that 🙂

    We’re in a spiritual battle and the Lord is teaching us how to handle different situations and the tactics the enemy uses for the coming 42 month trib.I personally welcome the blows as they re-ignite my passion and love for the Lord as He displays His faithfulness and trustworthiness. This is where the Five Smooth Stones have increased my faith like never before 🙂

    Ephesians 6:10-12 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, so that you may be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    Love and blessings to you all.

    As time permits I would love to start a new post on this very subject 🙂


  46. Nkosazana , you’ve got us all fired up!! Woot Woot 🙂

    No seriously guys I agree that there needs to be more of a ” sharing ” on a deeper level.To KNOW you is to LOVE you right!!

    Why are so many afraid of ” transparency” ? It’s something to think about.

    I love that the Lord knows the very intentions of our motives, our hearts and our thoughts.That alone keeps me running in the race.


  47. Jesus, sweet Jesus / the capstone! ….The Conqueror is on His Way,….what a thing; to BELIEVE! the Holy Spirit whispers,”keep the faith”


  48. His Own,
    Can’t say I am quite to the place you reference, “I personally welcome the blows as they re-ignite my passion…” I am not quite welcoming of the blows, but in all honety I guess I am sort of ready to “get it on” and move forward. The weariness of waiting for the shoe to drop is difficult, especially as all I am trying to do to “rouse the troops” seems to be doing in all honesty very little good. I can’t hardly fathom people’s seeming acknowledgement of the times and yet there doing little or nothing to get ready either physically or spiritually. There is a certain…zombieness within the ranks of God’s people that is terrifying. I have to believe ultimately that though people say they believe God’s word and trust it, that it is just not so, because believing and trusting REQUIRES action….and head nodding is not ACTION. Oh God of mercy our people are so unready for what is coming,…I grieve, I grieve.

    As a preacher I do though in someways look forward to the battle…not to the suffering, but to God getting people’s attention. So painfully long He has been treated as a “non-factor”, in so many situations. I LONG for people to finally see he is the ONLY factor that really matters. When you are preaching in the pulpit you have a unique place to see God working. You can see it at times in people’s eyes, in tears running down there faces, in anger, in people getting up and walking out or shifting uncomfortably in there seats. You can’t always tell what God is doing,…but when His Spirit is working in a service, you know, you know in your heart…something is going on. I guess I have this selfish desire to just watch God do “his thing” and see the world increasingly realize who He is and who they are up against.

    But I struggle understanding how as a Christinan we will handle seeing so much distress around us…more, far, far more than we can help or alleviate. I hate to see an old abandoned dog in my neighborhood, thin, limping, rough looking, knowing he is no doubt abandoned and dying. I already have to BIG dogs that are dominate and I know I can’t just bring in a lot of strays to my yard…but it hurts so to see them ( there is no dog pounds in our little town). I can’t imagine seeing children and old people in like condition, the hundreds and thousands and know you can’t meet the need. Can’t feed them all, can’t fix them all. To start would be to have everything you have gone in half an hour. Yes the Bible says the poor you will will have with you always. But its so hard to watch. I have seen many many starving dying children in Africa. I tried to start IV’s on kids, and many times had them die while I was sticking needles in them. I always struggled with was it better to try and save them or to just let them die in relative peace. I agonize to think of the heartache ahead. I agonize for families that are hearing the message and not dealing with it and will not only have the problem, but the guilt of knowing they didn’t ACT on God’s word. I so want to take people and shake them. And that is so not a good method to bring change, but I am SOOOOOOOO frustrated. So sad. Yet….so eager to see Jesus come back. Nkosazana.


  49. On April 25 and 26, the Munich Security Conference (MSC) hosted the first “Future of European Defence Summit” under the aegis of Javier Solana, formerly General Secretary of NATO and EU High Representative for Foreign and Security Policy. More than 100 leading figures from politics, the military, and business met in Berlin to discuss the future of European defence. From Bjorn’s site. The gentleman just doesn’t go away,…he is still “the authority”. Nkosazana


  50. Nkosazana I agonize with you and thank-you for showing your heart .It echoes many of those that not only REFUSE to bend their knee to Baal, but are repulsed and frustrated at the lack of fear of the Lord in so many that claim ” Jesus is Lord “.
    I weep with you 😦


  51. THATS IT!!!! WERE BACK ON! ,..I KNEW YOU COULD DO IT NKOSZANA. GEEZE, that ole’ Farmer i tell ya is allways out there diggin’ in the dirt, searchin’ for clues, and by golly this here time he’s took n hit PAY DIRT,….AGAIN! /// Under farmers icon picture is the visible hand {link].!!! its all there,…Thanks for the boost all Nkoszana, good eyes!///This heres cause for a shin-dig!


  52. Nkosazana , I loved this daily word from Israel and pray that it will encourage you to know that there are 7000 other’s ;0

    Red Alert !

    Romans 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.

    As we spoke across the United States these past months, it seems we were continually met with a spirit of apathy and a lack of understanding about the times in which we live. Despite all the things going on in the world today, the sense of urgency about the hour seemed lost among many.

    Dr. Albert Bartlett, an expert on compounding, gave this scenario. Let’s suppose you’re sitting in a water tight baseball stadium which seats over 50,000 people, and you’re handcuffed to the top bleacher. Let’s say a single drop of water is placed in the center of the stadium and is allowed to double at a rate of 1 time per minute. In other words, 1 drop doubled, equals two drops added to the stadium. The next minute, two drops doubled equals four drops, next minute, four doubled equals eight, and so on.

    How many minutes do you suppose you’d have before you’d drown? A few months? A few days? Get this — how about 49 minutes?! That’s right; it would take only 49 minutes to drown completely! What’s even more remarkable is that at 44 minutes, the amount of water in the stadium would only be at 7%! Seriously, do the math!

    You see, the real action takes place only in the last five minutes. It seems there is all the time in the world and then…perhaps this is one reason the scriptures say the Lord will come as a thief in the night!

    I do not want to be sitting there in the top bleacher, oblivious and helpless — do you? Those of us who are aware of the times have a key to the handcuffs — discernment, wisdom and faith! We will begin preparing now for the times drawing nearer by the second!

    Let’s get a sense of urgency about the hour in which we live. Let’s pray earnestly, invest wisely, and be about His business while there’s still time! There’s SO much work to be done!

    Worthy News Brief – May 9, 2013


  53. So Sorry for the silence here lately guys. I hope to resume my writing soon, and as time allows and events dictate.

    As we are told in Daniel 9:26 “The end will come like a flood”


  54. You’re so very welcome my dearest sis Andre.

    I praise God for you all and make mention of you daily in prayer.There is nothing more precious than brethren walking in unity in these very diabolical days.

    Oh Lord Jesus I exalt and magnify Thy name for counting us worthy for the love and fellowship we share at Vic and Rob’s place. Oh Lord Jesus please protect and hide us under the shadow of Thy wings. Father please lead and guide us by Thy precious Holy Spirit in the days ahead.Lord please draws us by cords of love as the Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.Father we love and adore Thee King Jesus. Come quickly Lord, that all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    Hugs to you all { and a special one for Sam- Tony’s best friend } 😉


  55. Colleen , i like you like crazy, thanks. Sam is heaven sent, for sure, like you all, For Sure! AS we speak my LOVELY MOM is passing her way with Jesus at her side, into eternity. She has mentioned that Dad is here.Dad passed when i was 15 yrs old in 1975 on dec 23. My family needs prayer/strength,…thanks for the prayers. …so sad yet so magnificantly Wonderful to have had such a dear loving Mother! God be with you ALL. AS we all know, tomarrow is Mothers Day


  56. will probably be a bittersweet mother’s day tomorrow as you know tony–but actually heavy on the sweet….. because of Jesus. He keeps our tears in His bottle-collecting each one. (tears on the face or unseen in the heart) psalm 56:8. the Beautiful Name of Jesus spoken out loud and often can remind you to let His Comfort and Strength-The Wonder and Joy of Him wash over you at this difficult time. God bless you and yours friend.


  57. Andrea’ you have such good taste!,..thank you soo much x 10000. You are so very NICE. Your words bless me and the music is truely WONDERFULL! i will play it for my mom as a gift!, on Mothers Day with joy!


  58. several hours have passed and i’m still thinking on how lovely you both are; Colleen and Andrea’,…i love you guys. Thanks for the support! Genuine…/ my heart beats away, really.


  59. I agree with what you said Nkosazana about prophecy sites as a whole not updating current events as much as they use to. I think with the global economic situation and people being sidetracked i do see why. The forums this site use to have were awesome but i also understand that it is a bit hard to moderate so many posts. We must keep watching and sharing what we find.


  60. A point that needs to be considered as well is that there is a desperate need to spend as much valuable time on our own relationship with the Lord, our families and those that the Lord places in our lives in a time such as this. Not to mention having to work extra hard in our careers of choice.

    I would love to see you guys post your thoughts more often as well 🙂


  61. i sure agree. i still check in in the hopes of anyone’s posts to inform but also encourage–when they are able. extra duties have been put upon me-and many of us-things that are needful-to do “the duty that lies nearest” as oswald chambers would say. to quote another wonderful man of God-a.w. tozer-“we must do worldly jobs, but if we do them with sanctified minds, they become offerings to God”. so yes-to the encouragement to stay close and then closer still to the Lord Himself–where The Light is in these dark and getting darker times. there is Grace for every moment of whatever we are living–Praise God! 🙂 Jesus loves you! each and every one…


  62. There are always dangers to be had in generalities. The early belief that illness and calamities were signs of sin were clearly addressed by Jesus’s “go slow there advice” in”Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things?3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish (Luke 13)”. So yes there are many many good reasons why a person might not be able to post as often that are totally valid. But it doesn’t negate the corrolating truth that nearly all end time sites seem to be withering against the difficulties Satan is presenting to all true followers of Christ in these days. Perhaps instead of a church model with fewer leaders, we need to consider a “house church” model with wider contributions from say five or six trusted people. There are a number of you that seem to know each other seemingly well from long association. Perhaps each of you could have the ability to post headings. They don’t always need to be long and profound. Perhaps not even all responded to…but more headings would no doubt encourage more thought. Just thinking. I will drop it now.
    Lord bless you all.


  63. Good Suggestion Nkosazana. Wickus and I have slowly been inviting more editors who are able to add content as we have come to know them over the years and trusted that they would handle the scriptures well and not be prone to the overexuberance that can lead one to grasp at non-biblical teachings or reports from untrustworthy sources (dubious sources are sometimes acceptable if its identified that their trustworthyness is in doubt while confirmation is being sought). I am hoping to resume more active posting soon as I continue to sort out some priorities and ensure that I am not posting here to promote myself but to follow through on my God given responsibilties to my family and local church body first.


  64. Hi Andre’,

    You wrote: “to quote another wonderful man of God-a.w. tozer” – ”we must do worldly jobs, but if we do them with sanctified minds, they become offerings to God”.

    I am in the process of doing a study on AW Tozer’s writings. I have ordered the book: “The Knowledge of the Holy: The Attributes of God: Their Meaning in the Christian life”. From my understanding this writing by Tozer is an absolute “MUST” for any Christian. Is the aforementioned quote from this book – or have you received this information from another book that he has written? Thanks for your help.


  65. hi mr baldy! actually i clipped that out of our church bulletin-each week something thought-provoking is put in there. but that quote is attributed to him. he was a very wonderful man of God and anointed teacher of the Bible. powerful timeless Truth………..


  66. with your encouragement mr. baldy i now want to read the little book the best of a.w. tozer. my husbands mother has a copy. have read some of his sermons in the past but not one of his books. this is going to be great! so thank you!


  67. A pharisee is hard on others and easy on himself, but a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself.
    A.W. Tozer


  68. I loved my daily word for today.

    “False brethren despise those that expose them and always resist the truth” – The apostle Paul 🙂

    2Ti 3:8 — Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

    2Ti 3:9 — But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

    Romans 16:17-18 – Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them

    Matthew 7:15 – Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    Colossians 2:8 – Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Chris
    1 John 4:1 – Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    Jude 1:4 – For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.


  69. The Accusing Spirit

    The voice of condemnation
    And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

    Revelation 12:10

    This is another one of those common tactics of the enemy that we see literally all the time in the ministry of deliverance. The accusing spirit is an anti-Christ spirit, because it approaches people with no love, but a tone of condemnation. It works through a voice; the voice of condemnation. It constantly tells you how much of a failure you are. It tells you how your heart is not right with God. It tells you that if you don’t read your Bible every day, that you aren’t serious about your relationship with God. It basically tells you that you’re never good enough. This is the exact opposite nature of God. It tears down rather than builds up. The accusing spirit uses the letter of the law to lay heavy burdens and crush it’s victims, just as the Pharisees would do:

    For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

    Matthew 23:4

    Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

    2 Corinthians 3:6

    The accusing spirit works hand in hand with the family of religious spirits and strongholds, including legalism.

    The accusing spirit will manifest in a variety of ways. It can cause accuse a person directly, it can cause them to accuse others around them, or it can accuse God in a person’s mind.

    Anytime the enemy brings up your past failures, that is the work of the accusing spirit. This spirit feeds on past mistakes, in order to justify how that person is supposedly a failure, even though the Blood of Christ has washed away those failures and cast them into the depths of the sea! In this way, the accusing spirit is an anti-Christ spirit, because it deliberately writes off the work of Christ and the shed blood of Jesus.

    A while back, I wrote a teaching which I highly recommend reading, it’s on how to discern Condemnation versus Conviction. Who speaks the voice of condemnation? The accusing spirit! Even when the accusing spirit seems to be pointing to the answer, the burden that it lays on the person is overwhelming or irrational. For example, it may tell a person that they must go back to everybody that they have ever wronged, and apologize… then they can be forgiven. That is not only unBiblical, that is salvation by works, and God’s Word tells us that if we try to be made right by works, then we have fallen from grace:

    Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

    Galatians 5:4

    And getting us to fall from grace, that is, to stop trusting God’s mercy and grace for our salvation and justification, is exactly what the accusing spirit wants to do.

    As I said earlier, the accusing spirit is a voice. It speaks to us. It may even sound righteous, because it speaks of how failures are bad. It’s true that failures are bad, but what Christ has done for us the a remedy to our failures. What the accusing spirit wants us to do is overlook or even discredit God’s remedy for our failures! Sound like a Satanic mission? That’s right! This spirit has all the makings of being righteous, even a minister of righteousness, but inside is a raving wolf seeking whom he may devour. He’s busy carrying out the work of his father, the devil.

    For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

    2 Corinthians 11:13-15

    The whole motivation behind this ugly demon spirit is to discredit the work of Christ in our lives. We failed, Jesus forgave, but this spirit keeps pointing to the mistake, as if Christ did nothing to erase it! Isn’t that terrible? It is SATANIC!

    The fruit of the accusing spirit is widely varied. Self-hate almost always involves the accusing spirit. Guilt, and fear resulting from guilt (when you feel ashamed, you’ll be afraid like Adam and Eve were when guilt drove them to hide from God). Doubt, unbelief, hate, judgementalism, critical spirit, resentment towards God, feelings of hopelessness, shame, etc. The list goes on and on.

    What does the accusing spirit really want to do? Tear apart your faith and wear you down spiritually. He wants you to walk in guilt, condemnation, and never feel worthy of God’s glorious plan for your life. It’s goal is to wear you down, and make you weak as a child of God.

    The accusing spirit thrives on repeated failures or bondages, or iniquities. Pornography or lust, for example, is a perfect example. A person can keep failing, but have their heart right before the Lord. They feel terrible each and every time they fall into that sin. Paul told us in Romans chapter 7 that he struggled with repeated failures in his own life as a Spirit-filled believer! A person who doesn’t understand their bondage may have no clue that pornography is usually a bondage with roots that need to be ministered to. The accusing spirit, however, is right there to tell them how dirty and sick their mind is. This is, again, the work of the accusing spirit.

    The accusing spirit is a finger-pointing spirit. It is a blaming spirit that specializes in digging up the past, and blaming somebody for it. That somebody could be you, others, or God. It works hand-in-hand with a critical spirit, or judgementalism.

    Bottom line, the accusing spirit will always point to the problem (even if it’s been washed away by the work of Christ), while the Holy Spirit will always point you to the solution. If there is a case of true guilt from un-repented sin, then once the person confesses it and is forgiven, the guilt should be an issue of the past. If the person continues to struggle with guilt, then (a) they have not mentally accepted the fact that their sin has been washed away, or (b) the accusing spirit is at work. Once a sin is confessed and forgiven, the Holy Spirit stops convicting, but the accusing spirit doesn’t stop, but continues to badger the person over their failures. The accusing spirit will also work in conjunction with spirits of guilt, shame, condemnation, hopelessness, etc.

    How do we combat this deceitful spirit? For one, we need to fill our mind with the voice of God’s Word (concerning the forgiveness of sins, God’s love and mercy, etc.). We need to learn to recognize the voice of the accusing spirit and cast it down.

    Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.

    2 Corinthians 10:5

    Being that this is a spirit which builds strongholds in our minds, we need to be diligent in renewing our mind with God’s Word, in order to undo the damage that it has done to our thinking patterns.

    It’s also possible that the accusing spirit, along with other related spirits such as religiosity, legalism, shame, etc. need to be driven out as well. You can tear down strongholds all day long, but if a spirit needs to be driven out, it will keep working against you to rebuild those strongholds.


  70. I loved this verse that the Holy Spirit laid on my heart after prayer this morning.

    2Cr 2:17 — For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

    Praise God that He sees the very INTENTIONS of our hearts and that nothing is hidden from Him.

    Whew! I love that !


  71. Reading through a few of the articles on that page linked to above, I do not recommend it. To the contrary I rebuke that teacher as unbiblical in his apologetic for a properity gospel and his rejection of the doctrine of eternal security as illustrated clearly in John 10 28-29 (and many other scriptures).

    I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. (John 10:28-29 ESV)

    I cannot trust, nor can I recommend a teacher who has taught falsely on these truths to rightly divide the word of God on other matters.


  72. Arrgh I only saw this now.

    Quote from his page-

    ” Please know that though the teachings on this web site, and these audio sermons are not by the same person, however, we both share almost identical beliefs, and those who like my teachings love his as well, and visa versa.”

    It makes sense now.


  73. Whew thank-you Rob. I had to delete my comment and praise God you had the courage to confirm it.

    Shelby I say this in love. Please stop promoting this and if you care to believe this, please feel free to fellowship there. You tend to come here for one purpose only and that is to cause division.And we know what God says about that right 🙂


  74. Something that’s been very heavy on my heart is that so many of us (myself included) are tempted to love a teacher so much that we will love him more than God’s word. When we do that we leave ourselves open to believing teaching that directly contradicts what God has said and harden our hearts against the working of the Holy Spirit. When I accuse prosperity gospel preachers or others it is not out of a devotion to John Macarthur, Erwin Lutzer, J W Tozer or Charles Spurgeon – it is out of a love for every word that has come from the mouth of God.

    Christ did not come to make us little princes rolling in piles of silver and gold in this life. Christ came to pay for our sins and give us a new birth as sons and daughters of a Holy God – a wealth that is beyond all measure and that will not pass away when the moth has destroyed, the thief has stolen and indeed the whole world melts away before the new heaven and the new earth are made as our eternal home with our Lord.

    “And he said to them, “Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.” Luke 12:15


  75. I simply loved the article alone and saved it on my phone….never even reading anything else on the website much less fellowshipping there.

    “Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.”



  76. I’m just really cautious about false teachers. They often sound good at first, sometimes going for a long time without teaching anything that’s clearly heretical. This is another of the reasons the local church is such a crucial element of Christ’s true church. I grieve for those that haven’t been able to find a fellowship of believers to worship with, to feast on the Word with and to live alongside.

    Yesterday my family was immensely blessed to be able to spend the day with my pastor and his family. We know this man who has been given the responsibility to shepherd the flock very well, and I can say confidently that I know the sermons he preaches on Sunday are not empty words but reflect a life and family that are being transformed by the power of the gospel. The things we read her via the magic of the Internet are wonderful and a powerful way God can work – but I don’t think can ever take the place of a local fellowship of believers who are committed to careful study of God’s word and to ministering to each other, and being shepherded by godly men who meet the qualifications for elders in the church and served by those that meet the qualifications laid out for deacons.

    So many places I see the suffering of those who have been harmed by a church and by the sins of those in it and have rejected it outright, or the many churches who have abandoned a biblical model for functioning. I pray that those that read here would feel the Holy Spirit prompting them to seek out believers and those that will hear the gospel – and not neglect regularly gathering with them to worship and to minister to, and allow themselves to be ministered to byGod’s people. In these times when the world is growing increasingly evil we who follow the one true God revealed in his Son Jesus Christ must realize that we are in enemy territory and that this is not a safe place to dwell alone – we need to gather with the Lord’s army to be about the work that he has entrusted to us, even though we are within the enemy’s camp, until he comes back to claim his throne and establish his kingdom.


  77. Luke 17:3. If your brother is walking in Repentance, forgive him

    No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

    And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith

    Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven

    Above all, love each other deeply, because love* covers* over a multitude of sins.

    love* covereth* all sins.

    Eph 4:32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

    Matt6:14-15 For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

    Col 3:13 Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.

    Psalm 103
    Of David.
    1 Praise the Lord, my soul;
    all my inmost being, praise his holy name.
    2 Praise the Lord, my soul,
    and forget not all his benefits—
    3 who forgives all your sins
    and heals all your diseases,
    4 who redeems your life from the pit
    and crowns you with love and compassion,
    5 who satisfies your desires with good things
    so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.
    6 The Lord works righteousness
    and justice for all the oppressed
    7 He made known his ways to Moses,
    his deeds to the people of Israel:
    8 The Lord is compassionate and gracious,
    slow to anger, abounding in love.
    9 He will not always accuse,
    nor will he harbor his anger forever;
    10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve
    or repay us according to our iniquities.
    11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
    so great is his love for those who fear him;
    12 as far as the east is from the west,
    so far has he removed our transgressions from us.

    He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh [them] shall have mercy.

    Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

    Ephesians 2:8 – For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God 9 not by works, so that no one can boast

    Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

    He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God

    21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

    Psalm 30:5For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

    because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful.

    Mercy triumphs over judgment.


  78. Beautiful verses thank-you Shelby.
    I love that there is one fruit of the Holy Spirit that Satan is not able to counterfeit – ” agape love.”
    Satan has a ” love” but it ALWAYS comes with a price.
    * It’s self serving.
    * It always seeks it’s own.
    * It self gratifies the “giver”.
    * It always has ” strings” attached.
    * It always imposes EXPECTATIONS on others.



  79. thank you shelby. very precious words. i love your heart–it is Jesus in you that makes me glad to read what you post…….


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