Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness?

Jude 1: 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
For the past few days I’ve wrestled with this word. Finding myself at a loss for words I had to reach out to a very dear sister in Christ in a back and forth txt marathon on what exactly is it that the Lord is conveying through His servant Jude. Why it is that we seem to be missing the richness of the wording he is using here.
Out of frustration I cried out “send me some sermon’s ” and was once again humbled by her response.

She said ” Jude is a sermon in itself , is there any need for a sermon ?”.  That sealed it for me and I was determined to get to the depth of this book and decided to do a word for word study on it. Little did I know what I was in for. 
It was as if the Lord would not release me until I got it. You see I ‘m a wanna B artist and tend to “get” things visually. That’s how I learn, that’s  how I observe, that’s how I grasp the things in life that are sometimes  so hard to understand. God knows this about me and because of that He has to teach me though “hands on” lessons, you know the school of suffering and pain and such. Some of us don’t learn any other way right !
The Lord is teaching me through my son.
He is teaching me how God really loves His bride. He is teaching me that there are vicious wolves among the flock and these need to be stopped. These are they that have crept in among us and have brought much confusion and have scatted the flock. These have been sown by the enemy to distract and divert us from the calling the Lord has on our lives and the ultimate plan- to conform us into the image of His Son.
 It is time to expose them and to oppose them.It is time to arm ourselves with the Word of God and to stand and fight the battle before us. It is time to be like Neheniah  and not to cower down when the intimidation comes, especially from the Sanballat and Tobiah’s in our lives. They are not from the Lord but from the enemy!We need to know our enemy.
Back in 2011 my son  starting courting  a very godly young lady. The two of them are living out the biblical representation  of what true agape love is and a visual representation of that. Even when no one is watching.
This courtship has taught me more about Christ than ANY other sermon ,  Pastor or teaching in my walk with the Lord and am blessed for the understanding it has taught me.Is this not what the Lord meant by us being known by the love we have for one another? 
The Lord is teaching me through them that there is :
Counterfeit love and then there  is true agape  love. Flesh and there is spirit. The carnal man and the  spiritual man.There is truth and then there is the very deceptive counterfeit to that.
Which takes me back to the verse on ” lasciviousness”. 
So I do what we all do { best } ,  I googled it and had to place both hands over my mouth as I burst out laughing at one particular description – “a lascivious, girl-chasing oldman” 
Like seriously ? 
Why would the Lord use this very descriptive word ?  It was then that I got my ” eureka ” moment ! 
These false converts have crept in unawares that have TWISTED the grace of God to feed their own lustful desires.These prey on the innocent but use the most deceptive mask of all – the ” grace of God ” to lie in wait, using great words of vanity { biblical lingo } to deceive IF possible the very elect of God. I like to call these the  graceaholic’s.Welcome to the new world order jesus. I mean he fits right in- cheap grace and all!
Jude goes on to describe how the angles left their first estate and that Sodom and Gomorrha giving themselves over to fornication, are set forth for an example, yet their perception of the ” grace” of God has them not only deceived but there is a defiant arrogance that unfortunately unmasks the true intentions of this so called grace. You know the one that knows no holiness! Nothing seems to have  changed since Moses came down the mountain to find the Israelites mesmerized by the god ‘s of hedonism.
1 Cor 2 : 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
Titus 1 : 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny [him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
I find it fascinating how Jude pointed out that these know NATURALLY , as brute beasts and in that how they corrupt themselves. There is a huge difference between head knowledge and wisdom. We need to learn to discern the difference. The question is who’s their Father ?
John 8: 44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Godly Wisdom { the spiritual man- sealed with the Holy Spirit  } = the ability to know and understand God’s Word by the direction of the Holy Spirit. 
 Knowledge =  { the natural man – void of the Holy Spirit } } the ability to quote verses , memorizing chapters but is as a brute beast. – Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.Rom 8:9 (b)
 1 Cor 2 : 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
James 1 : 23  if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Ungodly men holding the TRUTH in UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.
Ungodly men having pleasure in unrighteousness.
May the Lord protect you from those that have gone the way of Cain.  Spiritual jealousy is nasty but that’s for another post . 

38 thoughts on “Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness?

  1. thanks Hisown-a big topic for certain. jude “paints” quite a portrait of endtimes behavior and personalities-markers to look for to call out as well as heed ourselves lest we fall-coming out from among them. the devil is very subtil but armed with the Sword of the Spirit & with the mind of Christ-hearts set on things above-we can see deceptions and deceptive people coming. lusts and wantonness (spiritual as well as physical) are mounting-and finally throwing aside the “mask” falsely called grace that for a time is used to cloak evil intent-the church is increasingly full the deceptive and the deceived. sadly so very many people refuse instruction from the Word of the Lord & willfully stay ignorant of these devices as these days in which we live are days when more and more “anything goes”. the little book of jude is placed just before revelation for a good reason……..


  2. shoot, i hope n pray that i’m not one of those,….i don’t suppose that i am. Its somewhat scary,…maybe cause my memory speaks to me of careless living in the past. i’m trusting the Father with me, amen. GOOD POST. i will re-read it and ponder and seek the Lord for its wisdom. I do not plan to do any backsliding, with the help of Gods spirit of TRUTH within me now.


  3. Amen, me either Tony. If you are walking In repentance and say so and your sin is thrown back in your face in condemnation, that is an antichrist spirit.


  4. that’s right shelby–under The Blood. the devil cannot argue with that! romans 8:1. it is nominal christianity that has that worry…but i think true that we must be humble (lean on Jesus daily and often & not suppose that we cannot be affected by deceivers who are a dime a dozen in this present age. the devil is very crafty and though he cannot get and keep a truly saved Blood-washed soul he can try to derail us and stumble others. so me too tony—i’m trusting in higher and better than myself–JESUS–He will hold us and never let us go. also tony i pray that your mother is comforted and at peace in Jesus as she goes through this trial. (and you too).


  5. thank you soo very much Shelby and you too Andrea,…it builds me up and for that i’m extremely grateful! God is Good. Trusting in Jesus-He will hold us and never let us go. This is so powerfully beautiful,..He LOVES His Sheep / His Own!! I’m happy as heck. Andrea, your prayers are so highly valued by me for my mom that tears build in my eyes to know that you care to care. Thank You for connecting, i know your prayers will count greatly, and we NEED them,…its my MOM. God is hearing our prayers and the feedback from her is indicitive of that when we speak over the phone, like today for example! / Thanks too Colleen, you are so dog gone nice its unbelievable! Onward n Upward!, amen. Bless you all. Thanks again Shelby, for the good words of victory. We Shall Overcome! i love you sister in the Lord, so much.


  6. Thank-you all for your wonderful comments and YES there is NO condemnation to those that are IN Christ Jesus. The book of Jude is written to the tares that had crept in just as Jesus said they would.This post was NOT directed to anyone here and pray that it was not perceived that way.


  7. i am also glad for those in my life who care and do the best thing they know to do—go before the Lord’s Gracious Throne in time of need. our family very recently lost a loved one. (my uncle jimmy is with Jesus praise God!) my daddy will be 85 this weekend and is missing his younger brother who suffered so much for the last 3 months-but no longer! tears of grief are on our faces but also joyous ones at the thought of him in the Presence of Jesus and the reunion one day for all who belong to Him. one of the prodigals is softening too—the Spirit of God is at work! thanks and praise to Jesus. waiting and trusting the Lord to bring my precious son james to the Cross to repent and be saved (and his brothers too). i am glad to come here for encouragement too tony. the Lord is so Good. Holy Righteous and Good. Gracious to give us what we do not deserve–Merciful to not give us what we do. Jesus paid it All–All to Him i owe……………


  8. We pray, believing,… and the Father will accomplish His will as we reach to Him thru His Son,and the Holy Spirit of Truth moves forth,..in Jesus’ name. This is a good thing,…something we can count on in a world where unreliability seems to dominate. Like you put it so rightly Andrea, we go before the” Lord’s Gracious Throne”,……..an honor and a priviledge. i will gladly go there on your behalf bringing to Him the welfare of you wonderful family. /// i like how you call your dad, daddy,… are you from the south? bless you n yours


  9. oh yes tony southern born and bred. i still have a momma to go with that daddy (who live on the same street as me) praise the Lord! i live in wonderful wyoming–longer than i lived down home but it is still home to me–you can take the girl outta the south but can’t take the south outta the girl! may the Lord bless you tony for being a loving brother in Christ.


  10. boy oh boy,…i lift you all up to the Lord Andrea,…you are so nice. Goodness Gracious,…that explains it! bless you all too, and thank you for your kind friendly words.


  11. thanks for the link lafreak. he (solana) always has a positive spin for these issues doesn’t he?–of course that is because his most noble self is the “expert” on all things global-which is his answer to everything. individual countries just need to merge to follow his model right? he is a legend in his own mind—-a man with a plan–maybe the ultlimate “man with a plan”??? (i still think he is in the running for that “office”)…………………….


  12. Thanks for that update Lafreak, never take our eyes off of that one for sure.

    In 2011, the American energy company Noble discovered some 200 billion cubic meters of gas in the Eastern Mediterranean – the value of this block, known as the Aphrodite gas field, has been estimated at some €80 billion. Work has already begun on extraction, with production expected to commence in 2018. Experts say that the reserves could provide some 100 years of energy for Cyprus – and an alternative supply source for energy-hungry Europe. In fact, in the search for an acceptable bailout package, the future revenues from these assets were at one point considered as possible guarantees
    Read more at http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/prosperity-after-the-cypriot-crisis-by-javier-solana#cZZ6H6F1sP2ZJuj9.99


  13. Roma, i followed that link you put up last week to Roger Oakland / jesuit society,…interesting for sure and it lead me to more on the subject,…so very strange are the workings of darkness / even that it exists!,..not that i’m surprised, but definitely blown away as it never ceases to amaze me……………………………………..babylon, what a thing to preceive!


  14. Jesus IS coming back …….completion / Fruition / GLORY to the KING / RESToration! Nahajrah=sparkling river ///!\\\ PRAISE GOD FROM WHOM ALL BLESSINGS FLOW,… on with the RIVER OF LIFE,…….SHINE ON LORD JESUS,…and keep us, your children…your sheep in protection from the wolves. render the wolves harmless Lord n turn them around. We thank you for the OUTPOURING of your SPIRIT of TRUTH. gimme that old time religion


  15. Praying for the people in South Korea, Guam, and Japan during this time of uncertainty with North Korea, evil regime. But really most regimes today are evil in some ways or another. But I know the threat of missiles hitting has to be very sad indeed. Even so, Come Lord Jesus, even so.


  16. Good you are alert, Lafreak.
    Yes. Solana sure seems to be the man whith a plan – whith many plans.
    For a pensioner he’s quite a busy man! We cannot write him off, yet.

    Have I dreamt, or was there news out of the EU, about an upcoming vacant leadeship post, or a ‘package’ of posts in one? This would be after Ashton retires, or steps down next year.
    How many likely candidates do we have for a euro-international-relations figure?
    A handful?
    (Tony Blair is another interesting character. The quartet’s/ four horns ‘mouth of a lion’.)


  17. Absolutely Ingela !

    Dreaming? you way to wide awake for that 🙂

    Matt sent us this article a few weeks ago.


    “Meanwhile, veteran EU diplomats have warned that the UK’s foreign spying apparatus, ‘MI6’ is administering European foreign policy affairs in absence of an experienced diplomat in charge of the EU foreign policy.

    The diplomats are increasingly worried about an inexperienced non-diplomat taking the reins as EU foreign policy chief.”


  18. Meant to add. I praise God for you Ingela and thank-you for pacing the wall with us. You are always in my prayers for your health and do covet your’s as well 🙂


  19. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/04/javier-solana-nato-secretary-general-iran-talks-syria.html#ixzz2P **found this on bjorn’s site (very interesting posts over there). for having no official office or mandate solana sure goes and “get’s ‘er done”. everyone “eats his dust” on the policy /diplomatic scene. so to me it looks like ashton is already replaced—?by the most noble and most prestigiously awarded global man of all time?–the humble and self-sacrifing javier solana. (choke! *<_^@(*? sputter! % #%*I&$ ….) and yes agreeing with our dear Hisown–ingela, i'm glad too that you've been hanging around with us for a while now. may God bless your life and health according to His vast Mercies-a continuing example of His amazing Grace. i am glad for the reminder as i read yesterday–so we do not lose heart..our outer man continues perishing but the inner man is being renewed day by day by day. 2 cor 4:16 (God wins! no matter what a day looks like).


  20. Wow, friends!
    That’s heavy info on ‘our man’ Solana. Sooo much that goes on beneath the surface.
    Well, if I were a betting man… ( No, I’m an unbetting woman!) As far as I reckon, no one has as of yet filled Solanas shoes, or even fitted the pre-pared positions and jurisdictions à la 666? And those positions are still charted out and valid, as I understand?

    There’s basically a chair yet waiting to be occupied – connected to exceptional powers.
    And apparently the EU diplomats are looking for an experienced diplomat ‘taking the reins as EU foreign policy chief’.
    Ashton’s lack of diplomatic experience, and her relatively un-carismatic style, are in my opinion intentional. She has actually contributed to the cries for ‘strong leadership, and a clear voice’ out of the EU. She could be somewhat of a sidekick, holding up, until the hero returns.

    It sure is a refreshing place to meet – here in cyberland.
    I am touched by your concerns, and by your prayers. Am still burdened with chronic illness, fatigue and pain. But blessed whith the sweet fellowship of the saints.
    Looking forward to meeting you all on that day…


  21. From the first day you ” found” us here @ Vic’s place Ingela, my heart was knitted to you with sisterly love. Don’t you just love how the Spirit bears witness 🙂

    It’s like that with Andre’ , Roma and EnforcingHisGrace as well. Sister’s in the Lord, I love that. I’m the youngest in my family and have been cast out by all of my sisters for my faith. The Lord has replaced them with four very specail others . Wow am I ever blessed ! Big hugs to all the girls 🙂

    Sorry guys for getting all sappy on ya !


  22. There’s room for the occasional sappiness! 🙂
    I was so encouraged to find that ‘click’ in the Spirit, when stumbling upon this site.

    I imagin not all of us are even spoilt to experience that connection in our own curch situations?
    Right now, we’re in decision making mode (in our church). It’s about whether to build, add on ,expand, and freshen up the premises, in order to have room for ‘all sorts of’ yout activities. Not a bad thing in itself. Not at all.

    But, I still feel hesitant. first of all, because it would put us in quite a debt situation, building whith money we don’t have. And second, I perceive the church to unfortunately be rather ‘shallow’ in our spiritual life. There’s not that real ‘meat-and-potatoes teaching’ from the Word, nor is there and prayer life to speak of. All is not bad, or lost, but it’s a bit too lukewarm…
    And I am concerned that the visions some members have for building, are what may amount to building an ‘entertainment church’, with ‘low thresholds’ and seekerfriendly activities, like dance classes (to secular music) that are already going on. I am concerned about where we are heading.

    But my voice, and opinion, is not very popular…


  23. Vice President Joe Biden calls for the creation of a “new world order” at the Export Import Bank conference in Washington on April 5, 2013.


  24. Thank-you Lafreak for this!

    Wow the sheer pride, arrogance, praise and SELF entitlement is nauseating ! The sad reality is that the the typical ” emerging church “Christian” will agree with this new global order . I mean it’s people like us { the ” resistor’s”} who are told we are “anti” everything , judgmental and are opposed to everything that is positive to resolve these issues. I mean they have their Pastor’s feeding them this diabolical poision from the pulpit’s right 😦

    I had to delete the rest of my comments out of respect for the untimely death of Rick Warren’s son’s death. Oh Lord God please streanghen us to stand in the days ahead.

    Isa 47:8 ¶ Therefore hear now this, [thou that art] given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I [am], and none else beside me; I shall not sit [as] a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:

    But these two [things] shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, [and] for the great abundance of thine enchantments.

    For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I [am], and none else beside me.

    Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, [which] thou shalt not know.

    Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.


  25. well we know what is coming—this is just more (book of revelation mark of the beast) proof—it. is. soon. soon-to hook up the whole world to it’s web–electronically controlling everything. for those who know-love-follow-God’s Word–biden’s pep talk is really “prep talk”–for everyone else (who will refuse the Lord) it is making way for the extreme of deceit-the sell out of their own souls-and cause them to worship the beast…….so–everything that can be will be shaken–He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a Rock…ps 40:2…those on the Rock shall never be moved. / (i love all of you in Christ Jesus–whether thought sappy or not ;)…..just want that known)


  26. No surprise about Biden’s comments, although I did not watch them, I can not bear to watch these people any more, just read what they say if needed.
    Time is certainly moving towards all these things coming upon the world.
    Very sad about the son of megapastor, false prophet Rick Warren’s son. But it does not change the fact that he has a false gospel. Not him alone but a great majority of them, which in itself is another sign that we are coming near to the end of this earth age.


  27. here i am,…tony, saying, we LOVE you too Andrea.,…………………………………………….!


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