The Roman “Church” Selects a New Leader

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As a man who was born and raised in the Roman Catholic Church, I presume I should share some of my reflections on a day when talk of the happenings in Rome will be the norm. I’ve been talking about my past in the Catholic church quite a bit lately and it breaks my heart that some of it brought out some of the worst in people I thought were otherwise kind thoughtful, and possibly even among the redeemed.

Today Rome selected for itself a new infallible ruler. I pointed someone who was excited about this to 1 Samuel 8 where we see God’s own reaction to the people of Israel demanding a king – and the subsequent warning from his prophet. I caution anyone about putting any mere man, no matter who pious and godly he seems in the place of infallible mouthpiece for the God of the Universe. There was one man, not a mere man who was perfectly that – and his name is Jesus Christ.

Today Rome selects what to many was a surprise candidate- Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the Cardinal of Buenos Aires to be it’s own appointed “successor to Peter”. I scratch my head when I think of some group of men, even apostles thinking they can appoint a man to be an Apostle of Christ, or a successor to an Apostle. Reading Acts 1:12-26 where the remaining 11 apostles selected Matthias, who by all account was a believer and a good man, never really amounted to anything since he is not heard of again in scripture. We know better, that Jesus himself selected none other than Saul, who became Paul, through whom He gave us the majority of New Testament. Other traditions about Matthias aside, I think just about anyone would have to say Jesus selection for Apostle had a much larger impact for the Glory of God than the one selected by men. An example of this happened again today – men want a man who they can influence, cajole and control, not a man under the control of the Holy Spirit who will speak the truth to them in love.

What of the so-called “prophecy” of “saint” Malachy we’ve been hearing so much about lately? I have to admit it never really set right with me. It had the warning signs of fraud in that it failed to surface or be attested to for centuries after the supposed “prophets” death. It’s fulfillment is also fully in the hands of sinful men that I believe have invited the influence of Satan due to their proud statements and rejection of clear scriptural truth. If was fulfilled clearly and perfectly, I would still be suspicious that it was not completed by the work of a very clever but very evil spirit to distract us from the true prophetic word that comes from God alone via the scriptures. Will anyone claim it was fulfilled? They probably are already – even though he’s from Argentina, he’s the son of an Italian rail worker. They will point loudly and say see! see! see! – he’s “The Roman”. The last time I checked though the name “Peter” was not the name “Francis” in any language so I can hardly wait what convoluted logic they use to make that one fit.

The other possibility with the whole Malachy document – a deception intended to discredit prophecy altogether. So many Christians have asked me what I thought of it. In some ways, even myself, I wanted it to be a true word from God. I long to know that the last pope has taken his throne – since by that I know the rule of my Lord over the whole earth is near. If anything we need to careful about what we affirm as prophecy – and the we are committed to being BOTH wise as serpents and innocent as doves since we are sheep sent out among the wolves.

To all of you who read and post here regularly, I pray that you will resist the schemes of the devil and see through his deceptions. Keep me in your prayers as well, that I would not make any provision for the flesh and do all I can for the glory of God.

Update 3/14 – Thanks to Hisown for forwarding this effort to make the appointment of the new pope fit Malachy’s “prophecy” – and provide a commercial for their own reasonably price book at the same time! http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=317

Second Update 3/14 I am very troubled that the Catholics would choose a Jesuit though. This Christian research site “The Master’s Table” wrote on the Jesuits and their vigorous promotion of global ecumenism
http://www.masters-table.org/warning/ecumenical.htm
While I still hold the same stand on Malachy – even if it appears with some convoluted logic to be fulfilled I can’t find any reliable evidence that it is a word from the Lord which leads me with just one assumption that is clever counterfeit from the enemy – who we have been warned will perform “false signs and wonders” (2 Thessalonians 2:9)

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32 thoughts on “The Roman “Church” Selects a New Leader

  1. i asked my dog sam if he thought obama was the ac?,…and he said,”ruff”! This heres a good ole prophecy site,…its ok to wonder ,,, so long as we don’t waunder from JESUS CHRIST and THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB OF GOD WHO SACRAFICED HIMSELF FOR US ALL SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE A WAY HOME TO THE FATHER. the site and the body of believers serves to keep the checks and balances in place as iron sharpens iron. Stay under the Blood of Christ, God’s Lamb,….how beautiful and wonderful is Jesus!, The Word
    made flesh! MY GOD!,..what a thing to BELIEVE!

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  2. i wish everyone a home,…wish and pray that is,….come quickly Lord Jesus and gather us together unto yourself,…continue with us and bring us along

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  3. May I ask a question ? I read the interesting post above from I think an EX Catholic who points out the many deceptions that operate inside the Catholic Church. However what is the differance when all is said and done the church is the church nearly all follow replacement Theology and the creed of Nicea which is so far away from the original Talmidim and certainly not Godly. Why do Chrstians claim they follow Jesus when it is clear from a non Christian ( me ) that as Christians reject Torah they do not follow the teachings of Jesus. Why in fact do you call him Jesus when that wasn’t even his name? Why if Yoshua Ben Yosepth was and remained a practising Torah observant Jew as was his followers why dont Christians follow in his steps and believe what he thought and teached.
    This is a genuine question blessed.

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  4. An honest question, and I appreciate it. We give no ear to replacement theology here – and we are (if you read some of the archives here) as quick to rebuke that heresy with scripture as we would the false teaching of anyone that teaches a grace + works = salvation gospel.

    Biblical Christians do not reject Torah at all, and I would ask for examples (with scripture references) of how we intentionally reject the followings of Jesus. Do we still sin- yes of course we do and it was Christ’s blood on the cross that fully paid for all of the sins I have committed and will commit. Is our belief in “cheap grace” heavens no! If I claim that I am a follower of Jesus yet my life is no different than it was when I was lost, unredeemed and unsaved – I am like the man who looks in the mirror and immediately forgets what he looks like (james 1:24). Truly, I am still like the tax collector in the temple (Luke 18 9-14) – the Holy Spirit is daily convicting me of sin and giving me the ability to repent and turn from it. I am not pleased with the man I am, but by God’s grace he will complete the work he has started in me.

    I don’t understand why people quibble with the name. Jesus (the pronunciation from a new testament written in Greek) or Yeshua (the Hebrew pronunciation) I don’t have a problem with either, but I am not going to put some additional burden or imply some guilt of those that are more attached to one than an another.

    If you want to know why I am not convicted that I must be “Judaized” to be a follower of Christ I would suggest a careful study of Galatian 2 – and how Paul responded to Peter, to his face when he gave in to the demands of the Judaizers. I would also suggest Hebrews 10. Both will give you ample biblical grounds to understand why the salvation of the follower of Christ is found in none other than the shed blood of Christ – and no accusation under the law will hold up against him.

    I have done my best to answer you questions, my answers may be incomplete but are the best scriptural evidence I can point you to in the short time I have to write. I have one question for you- you have called yourself a non-Christian. If you are not a follower of Christ, what is the master that you serve, and what has brought you to our little group? I must be honest, I would love nothing better than to introduce you to who Jesus is, why I believe he is who he says he is, what he has done for all of us, why I proclaim the good news of his coming, and await his return.

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  5. The Torah is the old testament and as far as im aware and Christians read and follow the teachings of the bible as a whole which includes new and old testament.
    Also the teachings of Jesus aren’t in the Torah they are in the new testament, The ultra orthodox Jews don’t believe in the new testament they only follow the old.

    What makes the bible as a whole stand out over every other book ever published is Prophecy which pretty much accounts for a third of the bible, The bibles prophecy has been 100% accurate so far but the thing most people don’t want to worry about is the end time prophecy’s that many Christians are watching out for as Jesus told us to do before his second coming. So far looking at how the world is currently going everything Jesus said that will happen before he returns is either currently getting set up or in progress now.

    People don’t realize that most things Jesus did like Heal people, teach people, provide food for thousands from a basket of food and so many other miracles, he did in front of thousands of people, He traveled through many places with multitudes of people following him, For us to questions those things is an insult to all those tens of thousands of people if not more and also is an insult to Jesus, He spoke of wisdom, love and many other awesome things, He said he is the messiah and by our faith we believe in him and follow him.

    Most people even Christians don’t want their material lives to change and even alot of Christians don’t want to believe that we are close to the second coming of Christ. But Jesus did warn us that like when the flood happened people didn’t listen or worry about it and the same will happen before he returns. He is coming back to save us and the nation of Israel from Satan (antichrist) who will be cast down to earth and will with most of the armies of the world go to war with Jesus which will end at Armageddon (Megiddo in Israel north of Jerusalem).
    The current system is pretty much nearly set up for the Antichrist to take control of it, Jesus said he was going to destroy Satan and he will. Unfortunately millions of people maybe even billions are going to follow the Antichrist without even knowing who he is and be cast out by God.
    Revelation 14:9-10 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

    So following the person who said he will come back to save us is in my opinion the reason we follow Jesus. 🙂

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  6. Great answers justasheep and others,

    Jason Mccabe: “Why if Yoshua Ben Yosepth was and remained a practising Torah observant Jew as was his followers why dont Christians follow in his steps and believe what he thought and teached.”

    Jesus, greek name, is not the son of Joseph. He was born of the vigin Mary and the Holy Spirit of God, to fulfill our creator God’s requirements of sacrifice for sin that was shown in the Torah. The old testament prophecies told of his coming for those who will believe and choose him and repent and be baptized in his name.
    is not the name of the one we believe to be Messiah, Christ, the Savior of the world, to the nation of Israel first, then to all the gentiles. My prayers for you that you would see this.

    As well we do longer have to follow the Torah, in regard to the appointed feast days as Jesus, Yeshua, Joshua etc, has fulfilled all of them in his death and resurrectioni. However, most believers in his work for us in paying for our sins and giving us salvation from our own sinful selves as well as from the wrath of God to come, commit each day to follow the teachings of our creator.

    Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

    Isa 7:13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?
    Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    He will come a second time to complete the final steps to fulfill his promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Israel
    He will sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem and rule this earth.

    Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
    Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
    Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
    Zec 12:4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.
    Zec 12:5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.
    Zec 12:6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
    Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.
    Zec 12:8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
    Zec 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
    Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
    Zec 12:11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
    Zec 12:12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
    Zec 12:13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
    Zec 12:14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

    I pray that you will come to believe in the One promised in the Old Testament.

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  7. i sure appreciate this site and you who are posting the articles to read. staying sharp with the Word of God to clarify what is happening in the world is edifying. yes you have my prayers that God be glorified in what is stated here-letting the Holy Spirit be the Guide. the Lord is Faithful to lead the humble to the Truth. i also appreciate the comments section too. finding encouragement and admonitions to stay in and true to the Lord’s Word as the Sole Authority-to read and heed-plus honest questions and answers helps us all. Jesus loves you! and i do too……………..

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  8. Thank-you Mr Sheep for picking up the ” COVETOUSNESS ” red flag in the “promotion” of yet another proposed book. ( this is my third attempt of saying it nicely 🙂 )

    2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.”

    How do we know when someone is trying to ” seduce us ” ? try this rule. Are feigned words used and does it appeal to the three lust’s of life ?

    1) Lust of the Flesh
    2) Lust of the eyes.
    3) The PRIDE of life.

    “Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.” 1 John 15-17

    This “Malachy’s prophecy” is but another under the table distraction. We seem to be seeing quite a few of these lately.

    Satan is the master manipuler. Always has been. Are we never going to get it !!

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  9. make no mistake about it,…GOD IS GOOD,………………GOODER!!! and He and His LOVE come through,…..happy, happy!

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  10. Trying not to disrupt thread: Ashton to step down at end of next year and a must read Germany’s plans for EEAS :http://euobserver.com/institutional/119459

    “Germany has proposed giving the EU’s foreign service sweeping new powers over neighbourhood policy and development aid.”

    “It calls for it to “be responsible for neighbourhood policy” and to get “overall authority” on “strategic and multi-annual programming in the area of development co-operation.”

    7 Year authority.

    “In other upgrades, Germany wants the EEAS to take charge of negotiations on EU association and partnership treaties with world powers such as China, Israel or Russia.”

    To make a treaty with Israel.

    ” …….has already been endorsed by 13 other EU countries – Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Italy, Latvia, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Poland, Slovakia, Spain and Sweden.”

    And this major new upgrade has support, but not necesarily form the UK and France.

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  11. and predictable too i might add. thanks james. glad i read the Bible for the Truth of where this is all headed. follow the “money” — there is no truth to be found in those dealing in “cyber banking/business/debt” (funny money and fuzzy math done by the fearlessly corrupt for their ill-fated politics) and they are calling the shots at present. what happens over there is coming to a lending institution near you…what i see is as good as rearranging the decks chairs on the titanic.

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  12. Thank you to Andre’, Colleen, James, Tony and Roma for adding to this discussion. The deception around us is so thick, somedays I feel like we’re swimming in a sea of thick dark inky molasses – but thankfully we have the brightest lamp of all in our hands with the word of Truth, to guide our feet and light our paths.

    To add on to the great article that Roma was linking to above – the Jesuit factor in this new election is very significant and a great piece of evidence that the RCC is a party to the deception that is enveloping the world. The Jesuits are the greatest promoters of “ecumenism” in the Catholic church. They are strong driving force within world faith organizations like the World Council of Churches. Many of the things I’ve read about their order the last few years has them promoting faiths coming together to do “good works” setting aside doctrinal differences. We all know the gospel of “good works” is a doctrine straight from the pit of hell. Over the centuries the Jesuits have also been one of the world’s largest promoters of academic institutions – in order to promote their own model of thinking and their own philosophical paradigm. While it has never been explicitly stated, they have also been a successful promoter of naturalism, godlessness and materialism over worship of the one true God. I find it quite ironic that this new pope is carefully crafting this image of humility, being down to earth, coming out from his popemobile to bless the common man. He appears to be this simple humble man, but as a Jesuit I think that appearance is a ruse – he is a calculating academic who has been preparing all his life for this moment when he could take the reigns of his eclessiastical order and it’s idolatrous mother church.

    All is certainly not as it appears. The Jesuits, and their appointed pontiff are leading partners in the creation of Satan’s great Harlot that we read about in Revelation chapter 17.

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  13. the love of money is the root of all evil the Bible tells us—-the counterfeit version of “money” these days dba the world bank,etc. and counterfeit religion go hand in hand (and in the “religious world” who has more money and political clout (“because money makes it happen”) than the rcc?)

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  14. Amen Mr Sheep.

    You said ” All is certainly not as it appears. The Jesuits, and their appointed pontiff are leading partners in the creation of Satan’s great Harlot that we read about in Revelation chapter 17.”

    Sums it up so nicely 😉

    Must add though that this same AC spirit is smack in the midst of the apostate emerging Protestant church as well. Oh how the Protestant Popes hate the people who ask those eerrr difficult questions! I saw it again just recently…

    No wonder the Lord has called many to FLEE out of her !

    There seems to be two spirit’s operating right now. The Jezebel spirit { that knows no gender} and the Elijah spirit { the same spirit that operated in John the Baptist }

    Satan comes to KILL AND DESTROY.He has made it his aim to distract His own away from who we are in Christ and the purpose of this appointed time in our lives. It is his main focus to lure us away with DISTRACTIONS AND DIVERSION”S on a path of INTENTIONAL DESTRUCTION. We need to take back the ground he has stolen and stand on the authority of God’s Word. This is not flesh and blood. We are all a target for the forces of darkness…it’s as if you can feel the onslaught!

    The enemy is using his pawns to do his dirty work so it behooves us to ask, where are we being enticed { and drawn away by seducing spirits } in our lives and by whom. A pretty serious and sobering question !

    I’ve had to ask the very same question’s and was surprised just how subtle and diabolical the tactic’s of the enemy really are.The lies are the same, he just tweaks them ever so often.He sure is the father of lies and in him there is NO truth – period!

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  15. Guys I know this is old news already but wanted to know if there has been has there been a update on this since then?

    The dividing of God’s land= The AbOmination that causes Desolation ? 😦

    Vic is this not what we’ve been seeking the Lord on since the Mark 13 : 14, Luke 21 : 20. confirmation scriptures { 10th Dec 2007} that the DIVIDING of the land would IGNITE the 42 month trib and that after Israel is divided {the A of D } there would be a window of time for us to prepare before Lucifer indwells Mr AC?

    Please don’t mis- read my post guys by assuming that I’m pinning the tail on Mr O. I’m not 🙂

    Just for discussion purposes only 🙂

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/white-house-map-of-israel-erases-jerusalem-biblical-territories/

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  16. Absolutely – the servants of the Harlot are growing in number and following within the lukewarm denominations, the ones that call sexual immorality good, the ones that think the church is for the people in it more than it is for a Holy God – Warren, Bell, Jakes, Furtick just to name a few are wolves seeking to lead astray those that otherwise find themselves in the flock of the good shepherd.

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  17. “Must add though that this same AC spirit is smack in the midst of the apostate emerging Protestant church as well”…yes. that is discussed at length here and often names are named….but it really is the rcc that has been given the mantle (to represent before the political world) of “christendom” (because of it’s clout-recognized like a “country within a country” so to speak). i think as much more of the “making nice” between denominations goes on there will be a totally united front to pressure israel concerning jerusalem and temple mount-with this new pope leading the way (playing his role in endtimes prophecy)-to divide not only the land but that particular mount. (rev 11:1-2). we’ll see if this is correct in time. i think his image is being very carefully orchestrated.

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  18. Amen – the harlot is being aided just as much by those that call themselves christians and “evangelicals”. It is as true as it was in Paul’s day that we must all be like the Bereans.

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  19. Notice in the letter he never uses the name Jesus or Christ. That makes me physically ill.

    The Jesuits have been famous for opposing biblical Christianity and for putting “good works” in interfaith dialog ahead of doctrine. This pope will fit right in with the ac’s system promoting the whore for a time (along with Muslim leaders, the prosperity gospel people, the dominionists, the emergents, and all the rest of man-created, man-centered religion).

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