Wherefore then cometh these things upon us ?

For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? 
Growing up in a very strict Jehovah’s  Witness  home filled with religious “do’s and don’t ‘s ” I became accustomed to ” protecting ” the double standard of my preacher dad. I mean we had to keep up the  appearances ,  lest his ” reputation” became  scarred. Not only did it silence four girls and a very submissive mother, it destroyed lives that are still being affected by this so many years later. It is the spirit of  the religious hypocrite.
This spirit is alive and well  today, yet  has  no ” denominational” boundaries. It is the selfsame spirit that operated in Jezebel and who hated the true child of God. It is this spirit that has a false church veneer and hides behind the ” traditions” of men” . It is the same spirit that Satan will use to kill the true servants of God. 
Beloved that time is close. Persecution is coming to the elect; face it, embrace it and seek the Lord on how to do good to those that ” think” they are doing God a service.
Jhn 16:2 — They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
You see this is what Satan loves to do most. He silences . He uses fear, intimidation and most of all he twists the Word of God to kill, steal and destroy. Not much has changed since that day Eve was enticed and seduced.  
The proverbs gives us a clear distinction  between the wise man and the fool.The fool despises wisdom and instruction, delights in scorning, hates the knowledge of God, yet the wise search it out for knowledge, justice and discretion.
It is here where the words of Christ pierce the very “veneer” of the  religious mask so many hide behind. 
It is here where the Word of God warns us not to be ” enticed ” by sinners and not to consent to their evil ways.
It is here where we need to heed the warnings of guarding our souls against idolatry and not to be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.
It is here where we we receive instructions for daily living.
It is here where we drink of the living waters and the bread of life.
 It  is here alone where eternal life lies. The Word of God!
1Cr 1:27 — But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
Mat 11:25 — At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Fools despise wisdom and instruction.Fools mock and scoff. Fools slapped the hand of God back as He lovingly sent the warnings.The world is groaning, the nation’s are perplexed as they see these things coming to pass, yet they still refuse to repent. Religious pride is  a very enticing magnet. It promises – “ye shall be as god”!
Oh Lord God  have mercy and open the eyes of those whom have been seduced by the same old lie.”Ye can make the rules and so being be ( as )  God”!
Rev 3:18 — I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Proverbs 1 
Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me. For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
The FEAR of God is the beginning of all wisdom. God’s blood does not cleanse wilful sin . There is  “prerequisite”  for being ” cleansed in the Blood- ” walking in the light”!
1Jo 1:6 — If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jo 1:7 — But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Mal 3:16 — Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another:and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
Chilling words echoing in the halls of eternity by those who’s faith was based on the falsehood of religious deeds and  man made traditions.
Mat 7:22 — Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?



52 thoughts on “Wherefore then cometh these things upon us ?

  1. That is timely Hisown! The only thing i might have issue with is that Jesus’ blood cleanses all sin…it doesn’t skip over willful sin. Willful sin is still sin. I guess one could argue that willful sin is committed by the apostate that has no intention of repenting and therefore is outside of God’s forgiving ability? Is that what was meant? I could definitely be wrong! I’m no theologian! Thanks again for the word!


  2. Scott,
    I’m humbled and thank-you for your grace ( not to mention overlooking of a few technical glitches ) as I try to figure out how to use the programe.

    Thank-you for bringing this up. I wanted to delete that part of the post but was led to leave it as is.

    Did Sapphria not pay the penalty for covering up her husbands sin?

    Was that not a pre-meditated sin? She was given space to repent ( three hours ) to fear God and repent. I wonder why the Lord would see it fit to add the ” time ” in that verse, could that be significant ?

    I love how the Lord in His Holiness used that to bring FEAR upon the church . And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.

    Don’t you just love that.

    Father God has promised to show us His truth and to make His heart known to those that fear Him. I would love to hear how other’s feel about wilful sin and maybe the ” trampling under the foot” of the blood of Christ in doing so.

    Guys, I wanted to ” sneak ” in here early to try fix up and edit but that’s ain’t happening now! Sorry 🙂

    Please be kind and thank-you for your love and patience.


  3. I do not see Sapphria covering up her husbands sin. I see it as she was lying herself…her motive was to deceive just like her husband.


  4. The scripture is not clear yes you are correct in saying that Agie95 but she was ” privy” to it and I assume they discussed this a couple (holding back the money) . She was guilty of her own sin yes.

    Does the word of God not warn of the danger of being ” enticed ” to sin ( or the worship of false god’s ) by the ” company” we keep? I find it fascinating that God warn’s to guard your heart even from the one you are married to!

    Scott I was thinking of these verses 🙂

    2Pe 2:20 — For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

    2Pe 2:21 — For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holycommandment delivered unto them.

    2Pe 2:22 — But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb,The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

    1Cr 11:27 -32

    Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink [this] cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

    But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of [that] bread, and drink of [that] cup.

    For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.For this cause many [are] weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

    For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

    But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

    1 John 5 : 15

    If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.


  5. I love verse 32 in Heb 10 that call’s us to ” remember” from whence thou has FALLEN (from thy first love) and to REPENT and do the first works , lest God remove thy candlestick out of his place 😦

    But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

    Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

    For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

    [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

    Hebrews 10

    Judgment begins in the house of God.

    Mal 3:3 — And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.


  6. Did Achan’s selfish sinfulness not bring death to those around him?

    -How was his family and those around him affected? ( -What happend to his wife and the children?)

    -Why was the Lord’s anger against ” those in the camp” ? Was it a lack of spiritual accountability ?

    -What were the consequences of one man’s sin ( in the camp) ?

    -Israel suffered defeat.

    -Innocent men died.

    Josh 7

    But the children of Israel committed a trespass in the accursed thing: for Achan, the son of Carmi, the son of Zabdi, the son of Zerah, of the tribe of Judah, took of the accursed thing: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against the children of Israel


  7. yes Hisown. when the Truth is suppressed-disallowed, held down, kept back, quenched in unrighteousness (romans 1:18) it is a matter of time then the Truth is silenced–and deception can run rampant. the “religious” deceived have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof…2 tim 3:5. and we are there…..it seems that there is little “gray” left now–“black” is getting blacker…..but “white” is getting whiter–in the form of godliness that is the Lord’s persecuted church. Jesus as much as told us they have hated Me so then they must hate you. we know persecution has been going on but now it will rapidly increase. watching israel marginalized, shunned and ostracized more and more and more is the picture of what is to be happening on a global scale for the church. the Lord’s Word is clear. He has mercifully warned and warned with fewer and fewer heeding. but—-to God be the Glory–He is faithful!!! He will uphold His people in turbulent times.


  8. Interesting topic for discussion Hisown……….

    I have to be very honest and say that I have viewed various messages in your subject – and I am not so sure whether or not you are sending a warning about deception; your own experience with deception, and living in hypocritical bondage; or how we should live according to thus sayeth the Lord.

    I want to say that the spirit of deception is so great, that it needs repeating over, and over again to the Body of Christ. However in contrast, we can become so afraid, that it can cause those of us who are seeking the very Face of God, in Truth – to live such a legalistic lifestyle, that we have no freedom in Christ. I don’t think that this is what God has intended us to do – as we are all Sinners; saved by Grace.

    I will continue by saying that I believe that the biggest lie that is being told today deals with Money. Dear Body of Christ …..please be careful with this. Money has come in many forms of deception, in so much that it causes those who would not otherwise do things that they ought not – to deceive. This goes into living a legalistic lifestyle; and further teaching those who are followers of Christ to live a legalistic lifestyle – placing them in bondage, and hypocrisy. Some believe that those who are living this way, to include themselves, are pleasing God, by giving tithes – further measuring the amount of money that they put into the offering plate; compared to others, and further expecting a blessing thereof. Or how about comparing their own so-called self righteous living to others, living by rules and regulations that they are very hypocritical to. Shame on them – because they are so deceived, that they can’t even see the error of their own ways. Absolutely none of us are perfect.

    I’m saying these things because we are living in the Last Days. Please make no mistake about it. Guard your lives. Give freely from your heart – expecting absolutely nothing in return. Be willing to put God absolutely FIRST in your lives. Expect to be different from the World. Be prepared to lose a job; your home; your easy lifestyle – depending totally upon God to provide for your daily needs. But know in your heart that absolutely none of us are sin free – or else we would have no need of a Savior.

    You see, it’s not about how righteous we are, but about our relationship with Christ – and our continuous fellowship with Him, as we ask daily for forgiveness. Because if we truly believe in Him, we understand that He ABSOLUTELY has everything that pertains to us under control. So therefore, we should be prepared to face any sort of persecution – and not be ashamed of who we are in Him. This is not about legalism, but a condition of the heart.

    Deception is real. It comes in many, many forms. So be careful in what you are hearing from these so-called modern day Preachers, Teachers, Prophets, Evangelist, and these so-called men and women of God who are very often deceived themselves, and want nothing more than to fill their pockets so that they can continue to serve the God of mammon.

    Hisown, I have lived with, witnessed, and have been a part of those who have come from cults. It’s often very hard for them to let go of the bondage, and slavery that has ensnared them so much – in as much as they often struggle with relationships with others. I’ve experienced the bitterness that they have, and it often continues once they come to realize that they were deceived. I’ve even witnessed where they have internalized things so much, that they trust no one. It’s a hard journey. But there is absolute Freedom in Christ. He has set us free.

    As I read your comments, I was going to attempt to incorporate into your Subject matter, and ask some End Time questions that I have had deeply in my heart. But I felt lead to type what I have typed, and I pray that I have not offended you, or anyone else. If I have, I pray that you all will forgive me.


  9. No offence taken Mr Baldy.

    No bitterness here. No financial gain here. No legalism here either. No hypocritical bondage either. If you see any of that in my life, why not come to me personally as the word exhorts you to?

    I recall when Adamantine was ” exposing” homosexuality and the question was asked if he was a “closet” gay. I was offended by that and wonder if I too now have a target on my back.

    If I have any of the above sin’s in my life, God would not be answering or affirming my prayers. That assures my heart.

    Shalom to you and yes we are in some very dark days.


  10. “You see, it’s not about how righteous we are, but about our relationship with Christ – and our continuous fellowship with Him, as we ask daily for forgiveness……and not be ashamed of who we are in Him.” amen mr. baldy. this is what it’s all about—and will see us thru these deceptive times, giving us a testimony that will stand up-stand out-stand strong before men. you are so right we must guard our hearts-from compromises that weaken our fellowship with Christ. staying in a heart and mind of worship as we do life-day in day out. humble hearts thankful to be forgiven and pardoned by Jesus can truly tell the old, old story to others (whether they listen or not) with a new, new song in their hearts (rise up in newness of Life!). the world cannot kill the Message—the messenger–perhaps–but not that Message! hallelujah! God is Awesome and Worthy of all Praise!


  11. Who among us are anguished for the spiritual concerns around us?

    Where has the anguish gone?

    Why is there not a ” standing “in the gap and the anguish of compassion like Nehemiah to build the walls ( to protect God’s people and our families ) despite those that questioned his motives?

    Jud 1:23 — And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

    But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world. From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus- Paul the apostle.

    “A true prayer life begins at a place of true anguish as we see God being mocked, the Holy Spirit being blasphemed, the enemies of God trying to destroy the testimony of the Lord’s faithfulness and something has to be done.” – David Wilkerson

    I want God’s heart, a heart that is anguished as we witness the consequences of sin in the body of Christ , it is as cancer and yes it does affect the rest of us.

    Oh Lord God place a hedge around us in these days of ” many will be offended and hate one another” as Satan knows his days are limited- very limited !

    Gal 6.
    Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

    For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

    But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

    As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all [men], especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

    If I have offended anyone in the past 6 yrs then I beg you to please forgive me and to come to me in private so that I may confess and repent if I have defrauded a brother or sister in Christ.

    Time is running out.

    1 Corinthians 12:26
    26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.


  12. http://freiberg.blogspot.com/

    I thought we already had a free trade with the EU, but anyway interesting to see things are lining up to make more in effect the one world system daily.

    Hisown, “I recall when Adamantine was ” exposing” homosexuality and the question was asked if he was a “closet” gay. I was offended by that and wonder if I too now have a target on my back.
    If I have any of the above sin’s in my life, God would not be answering or affirming my prayers. That assures my heart.”

    I for one am perplexed at why this even comes up on here. Target on the back???? If we all recall the real truth of what was going on with Adamantine came to light. From the words of his own mouth and the ones he was following trying to practice being a true prophet of God.

    So again I say, why this even comes up I really have no idea. I must have missed something along the way??????

    As well, I know I have shared here that I am not into listening to highly histrionic sermons. I do not believe they do me any good. Maybe I am wrong, and this is just my personal leanings. Vic and I have had debate on that issue, and it is fine. I can remain with the Lord to work out as I know he is my brother in the Lord Jesus Christ and that is the hands we leave it in. I grew up listening to hellfire and brimstone many years in the Southern Baptist tradition and let me tell you, took me some years to get over it.

    When I finally read the word for myself and really understood how the Holy Spirit was there to help me, then I understood this.

    Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
    Joh 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
    Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
    Joh 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
    Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
    Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

    The word of God does the washing and regenerating according to the word of God. When you come to the Lord in repentance and love, the Holy Spirit helps to lead us and guide us into all truth. It takes time that is for sure. When we slip up we are to be ones who will be quick to repent and confess to our Lord Jesus and he picks us up, but not with condemnation all over the place. He teaches us, just like we teach our children, so that we learn to go the right way and embrace his discipline, like we are told in Hebrews.

    Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
    Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
    Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
    Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
    Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
    Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
    Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
    Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
    Rom 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

    Anyway I go back to the beginning and state there must be something I missed somewhere along the line, but I pray that all of us understand, we are many parts of this body, and as Paul told us in the holy scriptures, we all have different workings and ways to serve.

    So I do not expect you all to be exactly like me in everything. If I make a point or debate, then I am ready to state why, we may not completely agree on something, but that is the way it is. God gives the teachings and the increase is given by HIM as well.

    Anyway I am not even sure I should make this post, but will read again and reread and if not have it deleted. We all sin at times, due to various things, but for the most part, I cannot see any of the ones here in willful sin. And because of the fact that we do not see one another, only what we state here that is not an easy one. I for one, do not live in fear of any kind, as fear is the opposite of faith to me.

    the Love of Jesus Christ, our savior keep us strong and

    Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
    Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
    Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
    Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
    Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.


  13. James 1:12
    “Could I ask for prayers for my brother, he is in hospital with serious problems with his liver, he has a good support group here and lots of prayers too. But more couldnt hurt! I have great concerns about the church he attends and their teachings, very new agey. He has a “prayer handkerchief” from them what do you make of that? They seek miracles are light on discipleship ”

    Just wanted to post this to remind James that we are praying for his brother, and state that there is a place in the scriptures which tell us people brought things to Apostle Paul for healing and this is where they get this from I think, at least from what happened at one church I attended many years ago.

    Act 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
    Act 19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

    Now I have come to the conclusions and this is just me, but I am pretty skeptical on some of these things for sure. But I do pray for healing in all situations.


  14. Thank-you for sharing your thoughts Roma.

    You said – “know I have shared here that I am not into listening to highly histrionic sermons”

    I love them only because they ignite a passion in me and if this offends you, please forgive me for posting the clip.

    You also said –

    “And because of the fact that we do not see one another, only what we state here that is not an easy one.”

    Roma we have skyped in the past and yes it makes a difference when one is able to see the person in real time.

    Yes you are correct, none of us agree on all things 🙂

    I long for this though.

    Eph 4:13 — Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    Agape and blessings.


  15. Thanks Hisown, it does not offend me at all, unless or until they add to scriptures or take away from them or twist them into stories, if that happens then I speak up. I did not see that in those you shared. Just because we have different likes or dislikes should never offend any of us. You did not offend me by at all, so nothing to forgive here. However, your expression that you feel you may have a target on your back is something that causes me some concern.

    The only reason I brought up the Adamantine comment is that I was one who was bringing to Vic’s attention his many posts that were totally off scripture, but I never felt that I had put a target on his back or anyone elses. I do not think that anyone on this blog would do that either. But I did indeed post here and email Vic about the things that Adamantine was bringing to this blog. The false prophets of today, as you and many others state, do indeed need to be exposed and warned away from, which is what we all contended with Adamantine about So when we see HIM we will be like HIM, I know that day will come because the scripture is clear on that one. That is what we continue to strive for individually daily as we grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus.

    One thing I do know is that we must be careful about our feelings, because they can be very tricky things. So if anything I posted hurt you, or offended you, or made you feel targeted, it was never the intent. To you or anyone else here.
    As I said, I do not think anyone on this featured posting tried to do that, but as I stated I may have missed something in all of this. That can happen at times, because it is tough to follow everything closely as many times I do indeed get busy with other duties and miss a lot of postings.
    Lately things have slowed down in my life and I have more time to be here, which is good. As stated we need to encourage each other more and more, not less and less.

    Keep sharing here what you need to, and all of us will try to understand where you are coming from. I do not deal in my life right now with the self righteous kind of deceit, but with the ones who think they can be Christians and then do anything they want to, even to saying that Jesus is not the only way anymore. Which causes me great concern. Although as Mr. Baldy stated, money is indeed a big deceit in the church.
    The love of money being the root of all evil, I do think keeps the so called churches from staying true to the word of God.

    Anyway even when I do not particularly like a post, etc., I always feel that the ones here are truly seeking God and HIS truth and fellowship.

    So again hang in there because we know that that glorious day is coming, our blessed hope, the appearance of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

    There will indeed be a separating from many people and things yet to come, as many fall away I think. Then persecution in great form will befall us, but REJOICE, we have no fear in love, and we know who wins this battle.

    Keep contending for the faith once and for all entrusted to the saints.

    Love in Jesus Christ of Nazareth, who has won already


  16. “Anyway even when I do not particularly like a post, etc., I always feel that the ones here are truly seeking God and HIS truth and fellowship.” amen roma. i agree roma-the whole thing of some past posts is behind us-when needing called out-things were called out-and done. no need to revisit. no targets to assume. one day we will all completely understand all things. our feelings cannot be what we go by that is for certain—only the Sure Word of God. i do not want to read into or out of anything others post – only that i want to see Jesus lifted up and glorified in what they -or myself say here. this is a place of Grace and i am thankful for it—and for-e a c h-of you! God is Merciful to show us other hearts to commune with–all the Praise belongs to Jesus. today He has given us a fresh batch of His Mercies and i want to run with it! He must increase and i must decrease. that is my hearts desire and i know i am in good company. thanks be to You Alone Lord! Your Grace surrounds us and lifts us up above the cares of this world-up and out of our own selves-that we may live free in the riches of Christ Jesus. ruined for wanting to trust in anything other than Jesus Himself–for in Him our Hope endures…………………………


  17. In the video above…David Wilkerson said “the Jerusalem in our hearts, the spiritual Jerusalem, the church”.

    The 144,000 is of the spirit and not of the flesh. Joseph Herrin is a man walking in the Spirit. He’s not in any way associated with those NAR clowns. Christ revealed in us is simply a stong annointing of the Holy Spirit that causes your face shine.

    Blessings to all in Jesus


  18. Once again thank-you Roma for your thoughts , concerns and love for the brethren.

    Andre’ –
    “i do not want to read into or out of anything others post – only that i want to see Jesus lifted up and glorified in what they -or myself say here. this is a place of Grace and i am thankful for it—and for-e a c h-of you! ”

    Andre’ I love what you said here as it expreses my heart as well. We ( including myself) are so quick to read into words of others or ” dissect ” them and question the motives of the person. Praise God He sees the very intentions of the heart.

    Rev 22:12 — And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    Satan is relentless. His ” casting out ” of the heavenliness ( once and for all ) seem’s to be closer now than it was when he used the same old tactic’s in the time of Christ. These ” religious ” men were actively looking for a way to accuse Christ , so they could accuse Him for doing what was right. Mark 3 gives one of many examples of how Satan tries to twist the things of God as we have discussed ad -nau.se.am here .

    Mark 3:1-2 …a man was there whose hand was withered. They were watching Him to see if He would heal him on the Sabbath, so that they might accuse Him.

    The Lord has used so many opportunities in my life to ” prepare ” for the end times we are in and praise His name for the ” ground work” he has laid down already. I have no idea if I would be able to stand if these were not there to ” strengthen and prepare for the dark days ahead . His word promises that these lessons are for our edification , for His glory and our good. I love that!

    I wonder what all Stephen had to endure before the Lord gave him the courage to stand fast when he was about to be killed for being ” falsely accused ” by those that were in the church . The accusation against him is fascinating to say the least and I believe much of what we will face in the coming tribulation not so ?

    The Arrest of Stephen- Acts 6
    8 ¶ And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and miracles among the people.
    9 Then there arose certain of the synagogue, which is called the synagogue of the Libertines, and Cyre’nians, and Alexandrians, and of them of Cili’cia and of Asia, disputing with Stephen.
    10 And they were not able to resist the wisdom and the spirit by which he spake.
    11 Then they suborned men, which said, We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses, and against God.
    12 And they stirred up the people, and the elders, and the scribes, and came upon him, and caught him, and brought him to the council,
    13 and set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:
    14 for we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.
    15 And all that sat in the council, looking steadfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel.

    Are we close to the final expulsion of Satan? is this why the world is on edge? I mean even the unsaved know something is just not right, even though they don’t know what it is correct? Or are people here in Canada just on ” edge” lately?

    Rev 12:10.

    And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

    Loved these verses in my quite time this morning 🙂

    Pro 25: 9- 10

    Debate thy cause with thy neighbour [himself]; and discover not a secret to another: Lest he that heareth [it] put thee to shame, and thine infamy turn not away.

    As I’ve mentioned in some others posts back, the Lord has surrounded me with an older generation of believes and love how they have given me a renewed passion to heed their godly council and to love the ” fire and brimstone ” messages of day’s gone by 🙂

    God has replaced my mother with woman that fear God and live a life that reflects the character mentioned in these verses . I am so very blessed and was hoping to share what I learn from them with you guys 🙂

    Titus Chapter 2
    1 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

    2 That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

    3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

    4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

    5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

    6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.

    7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

    8 Sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

    9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;

    10 Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.

    11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

    12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

    13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

    15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

    1 Cor 8 : 12
    But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.

    1 Th 4: 6
    That no [man] go beyond and defraud his brother in [any] matter: because that the Lord [is] the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.


  19. Shelby if I’m in error about how Herrin has had associations with the people such as Rick Joyner, then I pray that the Lord show me that. I thank-you in advance for the prayers.

    Maybe other’s that have a very fine gift of discernment as well may want to show me if I’m misunderstanding this and am open to being shown that.

    Quote from his page –


    Those of you who have read many of the writings I have posted in the past know that I have on occasions quoted from some writing of Rick Joyner. The Spirit has used some of the prophetic words that have come from Mr. Joyner in a profound way in my life. I do not doubt that he is a Christian who is a fellow partaker of the Holy Spirit of Christ. Yet even spiritually gifted men can fail. Rick Joyner wrote of this peril in the book “The Final Quest.” He described ascending the mountain of God as he was battling the forces of darkness that surrounded the mountain. As he went higher his vision and skill increased, yet from a great height he almost slipped and fell on some of the vomit that came from the demonic vultures. He then describes taking his sword and driving it deeply into the rock and tying himself off to it. The eagle who was speaking to him, symbolizing the spirit of prophecy, told him that what he had done was wise, for he had symbolically anchored himself to Christ the Rock by means of the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. Rick Joyner was warned that men can fall from any height.

    Morningstar Ministries has risen to a great height. They are a pronounced influence among the body of Christ. Yet there remains the demonic vomit that can cause a fall. Those who fail to anchor themselves to the Rock by utilizing the sword of the Spirit which is the word of God, will surely experience a tragic fall.

    Much of what Rick Joyner has written bears upon it the breath of the Spirit. The Spirit has spoken to me many times through his writings, and I have found myself reading a while, then getting down on my knees and praying as I have been struck with some conviction, or granted some insight into some kingdom truth. We must remember, however, that no matter how much a man has been used of the Spirit, the saints are commanded to “test all things.


  20. More quotes from that same article…

    “As one reads about the events taking place in Lakeland, Florida and at Morningstar, that which is described is not the sober surrender of the saints of God to the working of the cross. Rather it is a carnival atmosphere. Shouting, whistling, jerking, drunkenness, sensuality, etc., are the order of the day. The word carnival literally interpreted means “flesh rising.” It shares a similar root in the Greek with the word carnal, which the apostle Paul used as a term to describe Christians that were acting as if they were still unregenerate men in bondage to the flesh.

    Sadly, Todd Bentley and Rick Joyner have taken the role of the carnival barker. They stand and proclaim the wonders to be seen and the move to be experienced, and they are not ashamed to ask that people spend their money while doing so.”


  21. Shelby yes I read that and wanted to know if he had dissociated himself from Joyner now ?

    Tony you are so funny!! you’re a month and a day early though 😉 thank-you for the blessing and not that it matter’s but I don’t celebrate my birthday , but do my “SECOND BIRTH” – nine day’s later . (laugh!!how did you know that ? – was it my ” yikes” comment about Dewey’s timeline and Mr O being in Israel round about Nissan 10 ?)

    Woot woot !! it’s 20 yrs comin up and I’ve not even scratched the surface and the character of God. He is so amazing.The closer we get to Him, the more we abhor this ugly thing called ” s e l f “. Oh how deep are His ways.

    1Cr 2:10 — But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.


  22. http://parablesblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/savage-wolves-part-3.html?m=1

    Joseph Herrin-
    “In Rick Joyner’s book The Final Quest, he portrays a scene where he is engaged in a battle with the forces of darkness and he is fighting as he ascends a mountain. The higher he goes, the greater his skill in battle becomes. At one point high up the mountain he nearly slips and falls, which would have resulted in great injury or death. He describes taking his sword and driving it deep into the rock of the mountain and tying himself to it that he might be anchored. An eagle, who represents a spirit of prophecy, speaks to him and tells him he was wise to do what he did. The sword represents the Word of God, and if he were to not use it for an anchor he could well meet with calamity.

    Sadly, even though Rick Joyner received this revelation of the necessity of being anchored to the Word of God, he has departed from it. In embracing Bob Jones, Todd Bentley, and the entire gamut of mystical experiences and doctrinal corruption that have attended them, Rick Joyner has departed from the word of God. Injury has already occurred, both to himself and the body of Christ, and if not quickly remedied the end will be spiritual death”.


  23. Shelby I wrote a long repose to this but have decided not to post it.

    This is not only about this man (once) taking spiritual council from Rick Joyner that concerns me , but his writings on the ” ascension of the man child ” that does.

    If you don’t mind I will no longer partake in any more posts where he is discussed and ask that the Lord be the One to show me if I’m ” otherwise” minded in this.Please do pray for me in that.

    Gal 5:15 — But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

    In my ” second love ” ( Christ being my first ) I work with the elderly and love how the Lord uses them to teach me things that no man is able to. These souls are desperate for true genuine kindness , compassion , and respect. Agape love is something that the world rarely sees , knows or understands. A fellow co-worker ( we sub contract together with the Medical Mental Health programe ) and myself are witnesses to the reality of how Christ is glorified in us when we walk in truth, love and in the working of His Holy Spirit. Not only does it show in one’s countenance, it shows in our speech , conduct and our character as well.

    We have the HOPE of glory in us and it is this hope , love, joy and peace that the elderly are attracted to. Little do they realize it is the agape love we show that draws them into asking, ” what is it that you have” and what is it that you share , please tell me more 🙂

    Let’s focus on the ” agape love” , not only in speech but in laying our own lives down for the brethren. That message is almost foreign today.

    The love of many have grown cold there is no denying that.

    1Pe 1:22 — Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

    1Pe 1:23 — Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    Col 1:27 — To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

    1Pe 1:22 — Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

    1Pe 1:23 — Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


  24. Hi Roma thanks for your words and prayers. My brother has returned home, he is on antibiotics through IV but is expected to make a full recovery 🙂 He is weak and will need at least another month off work but things are well. I leant him a couple of books while he was in hospital and to be honest didnt really think he would give them much time. (Tozer’s “The Sovereignty of God” and “This world Playground or Battleground”, I think both are good reads but would definitely jar with the teaching he receives from their “post-modern” emergent leaning church. He’s very quiet and doesn’t really communicate much on an emotional level but said he couldn’t put them down which encouraged me immensely that he might be willing to receive some more meaty teachings. I live in a town where almost no-one is concerned with good doctrine so it alarms me when someone wants to be an honest seeker of truth. My brother’s an engineer for crying out loud he should be logical about these things!

    I haven’t been “watching” as closely as usual as I’ve been sidetracked by many other things in recent weeks, hopefully will move me toward greater maturity. Good thread 🙂 great verses.

    Colleen be encouraged, I don’t think you have a target on your back. I’m still in a to and fro correspondence with the lady who is a kind of Universalist – you know the more I’ve seen this the more I think its dangerous to young Christians. Universalism is really taking the real God out of scripture and using Christian words to describe the religion but it might as well be the Force or some eastern mystic nonsense.


  25. James,

    I think I can say for all of us we are overjoyed that your brother is recovering. We all long to be home with the Lord, but while we may wait to go home/his return we long to keep the fellowship of those we have grown to love in this life.

    I haven’t said anything in a while, but I wanted you all to know that I’ve been praying for the little group the meets here to discuss the times and watch for the signs of His return. I am so happy that Colleen has taken up the invitation to add to our posts too.


    I hope you are not discouraged by the discussion that came to from your first post. I have been and continue to be greatly blessed by the contributions you have made here over the years. I know this group can be a little rough around the edges sometimes, but I think it comes from the passion we all have for seeking the truth.

    So much is happening, but at the same time not fully complete that there are things I’d want to write about but don’t have much to add beyond what Pastor Brian has been pointing out on his site. It’s hard to watch some days – and I know we are all constantly on the edge of our seats.


  26. James praise the Lord for His faithfulness and the promise of His word that he KNOWS those that are sealed in Him. Just as the Lord protected and called you out , so too will He do that for your brother amen and amen ?

    Please let him know he is in our prayers and hearts as well! Thank-you for your kind words and me being a ” gurl” I sometimes have that right to be led by my emotions right- tsk tsk 🙂 I can be very sensitive at times yet the Lord has used that for His glory and purpose.

    2Ti 2:19 — Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

    Thank-you Mr Sheep.Thank-you for overlooking my error’s, faults and sometimes horrible and hastily unedited posts , it say’s a lot about who you are and the heart behind your gravatar.

    Your words reassured my heart that we all desire truth and at times I can be just as feisty and passionate but the Lord is showing me that if it’s not done in loving kindness , humility and long suffering then it’s all just empty and of the flesh. ( Satan just loves that ) !!

    1Pe 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

    1Cr 13:2 And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed [the poor], and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

    Eph 4:2 — With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;

    1Pe 3:10 — For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile:

    I look forward to other’s posting as well as we gather in spirit and truth and seek the Lord to teach and guide us by His precious Holy Spirit. I love and appreciate you all in Christ.


  27. And you bless us with your grace and agape love Andre’.

    A intercessory prayer partner blessed me with a text today that blessed my socks off and asked with permission if I may post this for you guys 🙂

    ” The Warrior’s creed ”

    Don’t look back, don’t think twice, the dead will bury the dead, keep your eyes straight ahead. The race is being run, soon it will be done, the finish line is close, trust in the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

    You’ve come this far, only a little father to go, you’ve stayed the course, remained faithful and true. God the Father is watching over you.

    The burden though not light, you carry on, you’ll finish the fight, your strength not your’s but His, standing tall in His power and might. Like David you stand, you show no fear, abiding in Him, you raise your sword, victory is in the Lord.

    To God be the glory!


  28. my family is currently going through several trials on different fronts. weak, sick bodies and wayward sons…workplace obstacles and strained relationships……and the Lord is LORD over it all-with a Perfect Will to accomplish in each situation. it is good to be among friends. thanks always for the challenges and the encouragements ,Hisown, from God’s Holy Word. though my eyes do not actually see you, my heart recognizes Jesus in you…and…in the many brothers and sisters here-too many names to mention-keeping the focus on Jesus where it belongs. God bless you all. i pray that all of you, like i pray for myself, are found faithful to the end–sharing the Love of Christ wherever we are–moved by His Truth and Grace–our hearts fixed on Him–our faces set like flint–our eyes looking up–His praise from our mouths, even when it is a sacrifice to do so…….our Beautiful Lord will always be Worthy of Worship.


  29. The Father is Wonderfully Good,…He gives us Peace. Praise you Lord God,Father,Son and Holy Spirit. Amen Andrea, bless you family,………and HAPPY BIRTHDAY COLLEEN!, Keep on Shinin’ girl, shinin’ on the Jesus,,……….good things are-a-comin’, the Breaker is on HIS WAY and HIS RULE will dictate, talkin’ bout the Love of God fully RESTORED. me n my dog are gonna lick His face


  30. we love Jesus. and as for this obama / israel , AOD,antichrist thing happening in march,….well hes either the real ac, or an imposter…………….but then the real ac IS an imposter, and he will be stomped down low, n utterly defeated. this is EXTREMELY EXCITING! Its taking me n my dog, out of this world, thank God.


  31. ….all hands on deck, rise n shine! rags ta riches, as a new dawn seems to be rising, and any n all fears,…disappear. Praise Jesus! Redeemer/ KING


  32. Andre’ may the Lord reassure your heart as He hides you are in the palm of His hand.Please know that your’e in my heart, thoughts and prayers. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

    The Lord is teaching me ( in every detail of my life ) what it means to ” pray without ceasing”. He is teaching me the reality of the just shall live by faith and that true worshippers worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. He is leading me to a greater understanding what verses such as these mean – Rev 5:8 ¶ And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

    We read these verses but do we realize the magnitude of them. He is requiring of me to TRUST and OBEY Him in every facet of my life and am loving every second of it as my faith grows in leaps and bounds in witnessing answered prayer. All glory to the One that sit’s on the throne, both now and forever, amen and amen!

    Verses like these bless me tremendously.

    Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, [and] to prove thee, to know what [was] in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.

    Tony you’re hilarious! Yes it sure does seem that things are heating up for March this year and don’t know if you guys feel it , but I’ve got this most amazing anticipation for Passover this year and can’t wait to celebrate that with loved ones. ( The third smooth stone and how we will overcome by BLOOD of the Lamb )

    For the past few years we’ve discussed the potential of this , but this year things seem a bit ” different” (?) I’m sure you guys have been hugely blessed by Bro Brian’s latest entry! Like how does he do that? …I mean he writes what we speak of in private and in prayer meetings!! oh wait it’s because………

    2Cr 4:13 — We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;

    I received this link from Jackie this morning and for the life of me I’m not able to get two scripture confirmations (back from 2007) outta my head 😦

    Luk 21:20 — And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    Mar 13:14 — But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:



  33. at newine.wordpress.com there is a 2/26/13 post called obamas trip to israel/ an imitation of the triumphal entry,……………………………unreal, so strange,…alltogether intrigue[ing]. bless you Colleen, your getting to be my type…………………………pray for me n mine, please and thank you


  34. I see you discussing Rick Joyner’s ‘The Final Quest’.
    I once read the book – about ten years ago – and at that time I wasn’t fully awake to the falling away in the churches. But even so, I was baffled by what he wrote. It was really strange.

    And today I can right out tell you, that book is a load of garbage! No one should read it.
    It is most definitely NOT of the Lord Jesus Christ. Look only at the fruit that comes out of Rick Joyners, and Morningstar’s ministry… Pure New Age, wrapped in a thin, ‘Christian’ veneer.


  35. i’m surprized they didn’t take a ride along with that other crew, on the hale-bop comet,…they need rescued for certain,…MY GOD


  36. Whew thank’s Angela 😉

    Man oh man I was starting to get a littl worried there for a sec (nah not really ) that my spiritual discernment radar was picking up a wrong signal about the new age garbage!

    Tony that is highly hilarious ..oh my goodness my tummy hurts , I’m still laughing!! I had to place both hands over my mouth . I got to remain dignified ye know…tsk tsk 🙂


  37. so well said angela. goes right along with what we detect too–a “christian-flavored” bunch of “new age/old pagan” garbage. the Cross is most definitely not upheld and honored in this stuff–and flesh having it’s way instead. man-centered and hell-bound………..


  38. Hisown,
    I have learnt that if I feel any sort of doubt, or consternation about what I read or hear – if even the slightest little warning bell chimes – then I should pay attention to it.
    Upon examining the matter, this first ‘check’ in my spirit has always proven right, in retrospect.

    Your radar seems to be working fine. Pay attention to it! 🙂


  39. Have you all paid attention to the manifold similarities between the New Age, and New Wine?

    Have a look at the smörgåsbord (yes, that’s how you spell it) they offer at Bethel, Redding. Doesn’t it just about represent what’s on offer in a New Age expo? Readings here, vibrations and energies there… drumsessions… ‘prophetic dance’… angel wings, and telling your future…

    The New Age agenda has the stated goal of achieving a spiritual paradigm shift of human consciousness – where man is supposed to ‘discover his own divinity’. They are eagerly expecting the coming forward of ‘Christ’ (Maitreya, not Jesus), and a ‘Global Pentecost’ to sweep through the world. ‘It will feel as if ‘Christ’ embraced the whole world, and people will be overcome whith extatic joy…’ This is supposed to bring in the new age of Acquarius, and constitute a ‘giant leap in human evolution’…

    Well, doesn’t New Wine, NAR and their likes also talk about a great, global revival? Aren’t they referring to the ‘new wine’ as some sort of power, or energy, to have the effect of a great, spiritual tsunami, sweeping the globe? That people will simply be ‘overwhelmed’ by this great spiritual wave – or rain, for that matter? (The Latter Rain.)

    Are they not talking about ‘dominion’, and about the ‘manifest sons of God’, i.e. that the ‘church’ would constitute ‘Christ on earth’?
    Just like the new agers say, ‘every one is Christ’…

    Is there not a great risk, that christians caught up in these false and disturbing movements, will welcome the coming strong delusion, and think it to be the ‘great, end time revival’?

    “And then shall that Wicked be revealed…
    Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie…”
    2 Thess 2


  40. Angela I praise God for you and agree 100% ! Wow it’s great to have some” discernment back up” 🙂

    For the past maybe 4-5 yrs there is a even greater assalt from those that proclaim “Jesus ” against those of us that are deeply concerned for this new- age garbage. Satan is going as far as diving marriages over this as the ( deceived spouse ) chooses to follow the teachings of family traditions, books and new -age drivel over the Word of God . You see this new -age lie is NOT new. This old age (doctrine of demons) lie proclaims – ye are God’s and have been given the FREEDOM to enjoy the WORLD and it’s pleasures with NO consequences for sin as they ” quote ” positive verses to justify their worldly lusts and desires. Families gaining even greater support ( against anyone daring to speak out and resist this diabolical spirit ) when the deceived spouses choose the lie over the word of God and their own marriages. Satan is not only doing that in families and marriages but is using this new paradigm shift in ” ministries ” all over the globe, masquerading as ministers of righteousness 😦

    What I find so fascinating about this whole diabolical lie ( and those seduced by it ) is the false love. A counterfeit love that is so hypocritical, filled with pride and arrogance but hides behind a mask of ” cheap grace ” religiosity. It does great ” works” to be seen of man yet it holds the TRUTH in UNRIGHTEOUSNESS ( filled with fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity ).They hold their head up high in DEFIANCE proclaiming ” I am ” and who can come against me ! The sheer arrogance and hatred that seems to ooze out of their pores is like some malignant and putrefying sore that contaminates everything it touches.

    In my line of work we are compelled to wear protective masks and gloves as we treat the elderly and those in respite care, so too I chose to protect myself spiritually from this spiritual malignancy but am reproved for even daring trying to do that ! Like what is this?

    Jer 9:6 — Thine habitation is in the midst of deceit; through deceit they refuse to know me, saith the LORD.

    Nothing is different from Paul’s time I suppose 😦

    2Ti 2:17 — And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

    A few months ago I saw this canker poison again as I dared try to share my concern for the newest daily devotional craze , ” Jesus Calling” (by Sarah Young ) and was reprimanded and silenced on the spot. Like how crazy is that! Crazy because these seduced under this spirit hate the glory of Christ they see in us and graviate towards this spiritual junk. They settle for a false counterfeit ” experience” and revelation from ” God”. This is NO different than what Peter exposed in Simon the sorcerer in Acts 8 !


    Angela I don’t know if you’ve experienced a hatred for truth intensify over the past little while, but don’t you find that as soon as you dare try to expose anything on the emerging church, the NAR , contemplative spirituality, and doctrines of ” cheap grace ” you are looked upon as being ” contentious, judgmental, spiritually high -minded, or worse than that- you’re the enemy? No need to answer , it’s rhetorical anyways 🙂

    You remind me of a fellow contender of the faith sister in Christ I knew many years ago. Did you ever post at ” wedge” back in 1998- 2001? Please know that your post blessed me beyond words today and praise God for the love of truth you hold onto !

    Jer 9:4 — Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders.

    Jer 9:5 — And they will deceive every one his neighbour, and will not speak the truth: they have taught their tongue to speak lies, and weary themselves to commit iniquity.

    Let’s be on guard against any words of vanity from others as they seduce and allure to the flesh and bring one back into bondage.

    Rom 13:14 — But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

    2Pe 2:18 — For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

    2Pe 2:19 — While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.


  41. Hisown,
    I can only agree with your last comment.

    It is not easy to ‘wake up’ and start seeing and realizing what goes on in the churches. And as you say, it can sometimes even drive a wedge between husband and wife.
    True in part in our case.
    When I first woke up, and my scales fell off, my husband only felt I was critical and negative of ‘everything christian’.
    Now, a few years later, whith patience, and a serving of small tidbits of insight, my husband has come round. Now we can at least to some degree share an understanding that not all that is Christian, or even Evangelical is necessarily right, or healthy.

    He is also fully aware of what the end game will be all about: Who is God? God or us?

    We have to remember, ‘small servings’, no loaded cannons of truth.
    Who can swallow that much at once?
    Jeus ‘gently leads’, and so must we.

    It was with the ‘help’ of Todd Bentleys Lakeland Outporing, that I realized that what was being ‘poured out’ was not holy, and it was not God. People from my city here in Sweden even went over to Florida to ‘catch the fire’. Sure enough, they caught someting…
    So sadly enough, this strange, unholy fire is now wreaking havoc among the sheep.

    I have recently come in touch whith a couple of sisters who have been severely abused by these, all but gentle, movements. The Lord is gently leading his sheep together, even here, out of unsound circumstances, and into healthy fellowship.

    Likewise we can see it happening in the ‘virtual pastures’. (Like here.)

    I haven’t been reading or commenting here that long. A year or so.
    (And ‘the Wedge’ is not familiar to me.) Mostly, I’m active in a Swedish forum.

    ‘The church’ in the broadest sense has been likened by some to a train, ready to leave the station, and it’s heading to Rome. Some have had visione or dreams of a train running full speed towards a huge chasm…
    The harlot is also described as ‘a big hole’. She will swallow a lot before she’s done.
    And not many at all in the churches are aware of this at all.

    If you all haven’t yet seen the youtube video ‘Church of theTares’, on the truth about Rick Warren and the church growth movement, you have to watch it:

    I have sent this link to people in my church, but have as of yet had no reply.


  42. Colleen asked
    “Shelby yes I read that and wanted to know if he had dissociated himself from Joyner now ?”

    It’s rather obvious for those that actually listen/hear what is posted.

    You are aware of this right?
    Rev 2
    Only hold fast what you have until I come. 26 The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he will rule them with a rod of iron


  43. This is the correct thread.

    Colleen asked
    “Shelby yes I read that and wanted to know if he had dissociated himself from Joyner now ?”

    It’s rather obvious for those that actually listen/hear what is posted.

    You are aware of this right?
    Rev 2
    Only hold fast what you have until I come. 26 The one who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, 27 and he will rule them with a rod of iron


  44. Joseph Herrin disassociated himself with Rick Joiner and Morningstar ministries in 2000. We are in 2014.


  45. 1Co 10:21
    Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.


  46. Shelly I am going to post this publicly.

    I’ve come to you personally THREE times in private e-mails that both Vic and Rob were privy too and came to you in private as God has exhorted me too in His word.Yet you totally ignored my requests to reconcile with you on a issue you have with me I assume on the identity of the 144000.So I will take it to the next step.

    This board will not tolerate the way you’re trying to sling mud and to resurrect a thread that’s over a year a hlf old. What is your purpose anyways ! Just that tell’s me that something is seriously wrong here.

    I’ve not approved your last comment because once again you’ve proven the spirit your’e operating under. It’s not from the Christ I know.

    I’m sorry hun but the 144000 don’t have guile in their mouths so just there means your’e disqualified.

    I forgive you. You are in my prayers.Just know that this is my very last communication with you as it’s not what Christ would have me do.

    Shalom to you.


  47. I need to add that I sent those e- mails at the beginning of this year.There was given more than time to address this privately.

    This discussion is closed.


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