The relevance of Isa 9:10 and apostasy.

James 1:12 asked an interesting question on the previous post that I think needs a post on its own. If you have not read it yet, please read this and bless us with your comments. I do understand the concerns some of you have about the Harbinger book, the writer of the book and the popularity of the message. This post is purely done out of the viewpoint that the message may be a final warning to the church/USA and is not seen as a call to revival.

Here’s James (Edited for better reading):

Are any of you familiar with the Isaiah 9:10 parallels with the events of 9/11 and the financial crisis?

In life I generally steer clear of what is popular out of not wanting to follow the crowd or be deceived. One of the reasons I like to post in places like this is so I can also receive guidance and listen to other viewpoints that may catch something I have missed – so I’m open to your input!

Can I suggest you take a look at the following links on the Harbinger message.

This first one is a link to the sermons as taught by Rabbi Jonathan Cahn They conatin all the information. The other 2 are the discussions on FP that give some quicker answers as the sermons are about 40 mins each, if you have time for them I highly recommend watching them all:

Rabbi Cahn’s sermons

Fulfilled Prophecy Discussion One

Fulfilled Prophecy Discussion Two

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OK so I thought I would propose my question/theory now…

I’m going to move off the assumption that the Isaiah 9:10 message is a genuine warning from God to the US. So just to stake out the relevant facts:

The warning is to alert the church of America’s spiritual decline.

The timing of the stock market crashes are meant to draw attention to the 7th year of Israel’s economic cycle and specifically its day of debt forgiveness or shmita.

The word shmita was meant to be understood by the term “release” because the stock market drop in September 2008 was an event of divine intervention, God Himself put His identifying number 777 points fall, 7% of the market value wiped off the NYSE and I think this happened at the 7th hour of trading (this is one fact I have yet to verify), blowing a $700 billion whole in America’s banking system – not too subtle!

This action though was in response to the decline of America’s spiritual health a financial mirroring of the decline of the US.

The US having had its foundations in God and scripture upon which it wealth and global success rested particularly since the end of the Second World War as the leading nation, is now seeing position eroded. The foundation of this whole world system because it relied on the US is in peril.

We see the Eurozone crisis spring up because of this issue. It has pressed the EU into moving closer to either destruction or full union like a single nation/empire.

So finally we get to the point!

There is a connection now between the spiritual decline or falling away of the United States and the possible rise of Europe’s beast system on the world stage, teeth and all.

Is it possible then that this Isaiah 9:10 moment, this releasing, dropping or falling away of the economy is a key signpost in showing us that the last days apostacy is actually occurring?

Just to use Wikipedia’s definition if I can?!

“Apostasy in Christianity refers to the rejection of Christianity by someone who formerly was a Christian. The term apostasy comes from the Greek word apostasia (“ἀποστασία”) meaning defection, departure, revolt or rebellion. It has been described as “a willful falling away from, or rebellion against, Christian truth. Apostasy is the rejection of Christ by one who has been a Christian….”[2] “Apostasy is a theological category describing those who have voluntarily and consciously abandoned their faith in the God of the covenant, who manifests himself most completely in Jesus Christ.”[3] “Apostasy is the antonym of conversion; it is deconversion.”[1]”

It is perhaps one of those time will tell things, but given the shaking of the Med through the Islamic uprising and more the stability enjoyed under the US at its peak seems very much to be fading fast.

Comment by Vic:

Yes, it is possible.