Economic Crisis = End of European National Sovereignty

No surprises here, the elite little club atop the EU wants to replace many of the functions of the national governments.

EU commission to outline plans for political union

We saw the proposal for a “Super-Minister” to merge the roles of the President of the European Council with the President of the European Commision (and probably some of the functions of the High Representative). Now in order to save the economy, a unified government with real fiscal powers must be created (and more power must be stripped from the national governments).

To me it would appear almost as if someone had engineered it to happen that way. I wonder who the leading candidates would be to lead this new monstrosity? Anyone we know?

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17 thoughts on “Economic Crisis = End of European National Sovereignty

  1. Herman van rompuy is the logic choice. He is running the EU and the most important bio he brings is that he is a Jesuit.

    My only doubt concerning Mr rompuy is his demeanor do it fit Revelation 13 and Revelation 17.

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  2. Do the EU nations give there sovereignty over to the EU before the revealing of the Super President or after his revealing.

    According to the word of God it says this

    Revelation 17:11-13 (KJV)
    And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    [12] And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

    [13] These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

    We will see some kind of EU differ from what we see now or what they are proposesing.

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  3. Well Solana is the one who has pretty much been involved or even set up so many things to this point. He has all the awards, accolades, he is probably the most respected person at that level in Europe and i would say pretty much across the planet.
    He set up Article 666, Recommendation 666, was involved in Barcelona process, European Neighborhood policy, He was the main reason NATO now has a EU version, He is the one who in my opinion is the best candidate but still the AC doesn’t need to be the Big Boss of the EU when its institutions like the Brookings institute, club of Rome, bilderberg club and other global think tanks are the ones who pretty much tell governments what to do and they are the ones who sit around and make the rules.
    And we know he is involved in them all.
    I still would be wary about the actual position the AC has when so many of us had a feeling when Javier retired from high rep his replacement might be the one then they put Ashton in and threw that theory out the window 🙂

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  4. Nevertheless, we still have to watch that guy. Since with Rec 666 emergency powers were given to the HRFP by the ten of the WEU back then – and if the new “super president” gains the role of presiding over the EU -PSC then that recommendation applies to him. I still think when this happens it will be a visible, but unelected leader that has been put in his place by some extraordinary means (like an emergency appointment to a newly created super-minister post). Yes, I agree with all the accolades, areas of expertise, offices held, and respect as an elder statesman – there is no one better qualified for such a post than Javier Solana.

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  5. Javier has blood on his hands from the bosnia war and Nato’s head and what is his relationship with the EU MEP’s of today.
    They could have put Javier in HermanVan Rompuy place or kept him where Lady Ashton at. They did not. Yet he is a perfect candidate to be the Military LEADER but not the head of all 27 members.

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  6. Another candidate is Jacques Delors he is a politician from the old school and a staunch EU advocate. He once sat in the chair that Herman rompuy sits now. The problem is he is 86 years of age but his creditials surpass rompuy and Salana.

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  7. Ozell,

    If you haven’t already I’d suggest reading some of the documents behind the links at the top of this page. Europe in prophecy, and the others. You might be surprised at what you find in the Modified Brussels treaty (the real common and only binding common defense language of the EU) It defines the what we think may be the 10 very clearly – they were all part of what was known as the WEU. The WEU as an organization is now defunct, but its treaty is still binding on the members, and full voting rights on common defense matters is still limited to the 10. At one point the man we mentioned above was secretary general of this WEU while he was also the High Representative. Of course there are other candidates out there to lead the EU- but I think many of us here will be just about ready to name him as the son of perdition should he emerge in this strengthened role- he has been amassing a large pile of possible prophetic fulfillments around him over the last several years (and was the prime mover behind a 7 year treaty of many nations including Israel known as the ENP).

    This could all still come to nothing, and we’d have to start watching again from square one, but I wanted you to be aware of some of the things that are being watched by many of the members here in case they bear future significance.

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  8. Hi

    I’ve been watching the EU for 18 years now.

    And it was Mr Herb Peters whose website I ran across who introduced me to Javier Solana.

    I use to be on fulfilled prophesy years ago. Mr Peter use to let me stay on even though my understanding differed from the site, not on prophesy but other matters. anyway i am well aware of the weu and the 10. as was fulfilled prophesy.

    it is a blessing to have people on the same understanding when it comes to bible prophesy.
    I have been on many site and they have NO understanding about the EU, THE 10, Javier solana or anything discussed on this site

    we are on the same understanding when looking at prophesy. JS is the best candidate because of his military skill and I thought he was and I watch this man when Mr Peter revealed him to me. he is still young enough and he still around and active.

    do not count out Mr rompuy and remember when they chose him no one had a ideal they would choose him.

    this site is a blessing because of its understanding, i remember some of you from fulfilled Prophesy

    think about this our understanding has increased since those days I know my has and i am convinced that unsealed prophecy has also.

    this site is a blessing I have to come visit because of the lack of knowledge on bible prophesy on many, many sites,

    it is a blessing as fulfilled Prophesy was.

    peace in Jesus

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  9. I think Solana, being constantly so close to the “fire”, helping creating things behind the scenes, promoting global “this”, global “that”, has a real good chance. The EU needs a strong leader with a strong political profile, not to mention experience on almost every part of the EU politicus and foreign affairs. my 2 cents is it is gonna be solana. lets not forget article 666 and Rec. 666 and that the good old doctor has much experience in crisis management.
    My guess is how long would this all take to create..It could go pretty fast, but we don’t know.. I will definitely translate and post this on my website.

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  10. Very Good points of view Justasheep. I believe that many forget these facts that you mention, when you say this:

    “You might be surprised at what you find in the Modified Brussels treaty (the real common and only binding common defense language of the EU) It defines the what we think may be the 10 very clearly – they were all part of what was known as the WEU. The WEU as an organization is now defunct, but its treaty is still binding on the members, and full voting rights on common defense matters is still limited to the 10.”

    This says it in a nutshell for me. These facts, along with Revelation 17:12-13; which reads:

    “12) And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. 13) These are of one mind, and they hand over their power and authority to the beast.”

    Reading and understanding that particular passage of Scripture can be used in conjunction with 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8; which reads:

    “6) And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7) For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8) And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.”

    ALL of this – used in conjunction with Recommendation 666, and Article 666 of the WEU is very, very, powerful evidence to suggest that Javier Solana just may be the coming Antichrist. I’m sorry guys, don’t mean to sound like I have all the answers, because I DON’T. Just looking objectively at the FACTS.

    Mr Ozell, I think you have offered some very powerful testimony as well – and we must not forget Herman Van Rompuy as a potential candidate; and in saying that we must not rule out anyone at this juncture. However, in viewing the road signs that many often forget – in my very humble opinion Javier Solana is “Still the Man” at this point.

    In closing, I have mentioned 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 to show that the coming Antichrist MUST remain hidden until “he may be revealed in his time”.

    God Bless,

    Baldy

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  11. Ozell,

    Thank you for being patient with me – I didn’t recall your name from back at FP, and didn’t mean to imply any lack of knowledge. We are attracting more new posters now so I don’t presume the level familiarity you clearly have with the things we are watching.

    You make an interesting case about Von Rompuoy – I have generally ignored him due to my prejudice against those that don’t appear to have a high level of charisma in politics. That could be some leftovers from my expectations formed by the “left-behind” and pre-trib crowd, or it could be a general sense I have that the enemies main man at the end will exude a demon powered confidence that will make gain him a cult following in the world, which I don’t see as a possibility for Von Rompuoy. I also ignore him and many others since they did not have a direct role in the ENP, article 666, recommendation 666, the middle east peace process thus far, the leadership of the WEU 10 and others. Perhaps I’m just stubborn, but until some other candidate can amass as large a pile of potentially prophetic markers, signs if you will, attached to their name, or the top candidate in Dr. Solana dies, becomes incapacitated, or politically tainted by scandal I will have have a hard time replacing the leading candidate in my thinking.

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  12. Amen Mr B !

    Yes the AC has to remain hidden until the very definitive ” appointed -time” and as we have speculated what is that ” reveals ” him we have come to a general consensus that he is being ” held back ” by Michael as seen also in Rev 12:7

    The meeting on Iran is taking place today in ancient Babylon – peace and safety and then the sudden destruction ?

    My little quiz for today’s lesson on Rev 12 🙂

    Seven angels appeared with seven trumpets. As each trumpet was blown, a partial destruction afflicted the earth as a warning of God’s coming judgment. Then, a woman appeared in the sky, clothed with the sun, wearing a crown of 12 stars. What else appeared in the sky?
    1)A legion of angels
    2)A red dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns
    3)The army of Satan
    4)The serpent from the Garden of Eden

    Yet the most disturbing is – another beast emerged from the earth which performed great signs and “deceived the people of earth”….seems like we are so there already 😦

    Ok I know you guys know this, I’m just being silly !

    We overcome by the second, third and forth smooth stone : ” the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.” Verse 11.

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  13. i truly love reading all of everyone’s posts. the wonderful reminders of what we have witnessed (according to Scripture) to date and the challenges to keep our perspectives fresh and not locked in as though we “know” when we really actually do not. this is a walk of faith amen? this site and it’s posters encourage waiting and trusting in the Lord Alone which is job #1. for that i thank all of you and i thank God for you asking for more Faith and Trust and Wisdom and Strength (oh and we need Joy and Gladness added to that to Cheer us in the midst of dark days!) From On High to each and to all. do i think that solana fits the bill? oh i most certainly do—no one comes nearly as close or has his fingerprints on everything as this man does—but “the man” is not yet revealed. i think it will be soon though-very soon. God’s Holy & Prophetic Word continues to it’s Fulfillment and we are in Awe!

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  14. Baldy-
    Thanks for closing with the reminder from 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8. The Lord has told us that our enemies agent is going to be hidden, concealed until it is time for him to carry out his wicked plan. I think if anyone were to pronounce – “That is certainly the man” as a point of doctrine, or certain fulfilled prophecy I would hope that the rest of would challenge that speaker to produce further evidence that it is now “his time”. If it were clear and obvious to all who that man was, there wouldn’t be much truth to the above scripture and we’d be calling God a liar wouldn’t we? I don’t think there’s anything wrong though with saying – this man, and perhaps that man, could be the one – and as you say lining up the available evidence to test against scripture.

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  15. Amen guys.

    The Lord reminded me of this beautiful passage this morning that keeps this all in perspective – as we are ” crying out in the wilderness ” prepare ye the way of the Lord 🙂

    Phil 3

    8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

    9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

    10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

    11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

    12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

    13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

    14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

    15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

    16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

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