On Failing Economies, Being Devoured and Being Smashed

I’m not the expert in the prophetic, but I’ve had so much on my mind that I’m wrestling with these last few days that I needed to share some here before I forget or get distracted with something else.

There are a few other things I am still working out and researching, but the news today about Spain and one of it’s largest banks got me thinking .

LEAD: Spain to nationalize troubled bank Bankia

The theory that the first “beast” of Revelation is a system, or government of the EU has been proposed, and well-defended by Mr. Baldy (I was thoroughly convinced by his arguments). Here is one of the posts where he has laid it out for us very well: The 70th week, 7 year covenant, 42 months and millennium reign.

Anyway, my line of thinking is on the presumption that interpretation is correct – so here goes what I think about today’s European economic news.

“the fourth beast, which was different from all the rest, exceedingly terrifying, with its teeth of iron and claws of bronze, and which devoured and broke in pieces and stamped what was left with its feet”  part of Daniel 7:19 (also nearly the same as 7:7 and 7:23).

In nearly every commentary and end-times prophecy book I hear the same argument trotted out – this means that the Antichrist regime will rule the whole world (and I know there are other scriptures that say that too, but I wonder if this is saying something else).

The phrases that are jumping off the page with big red lights, since we clearly see what is happening in the economy is “devoured and broke in pieces and stamped what was left with its feet”. I think it’s commonly been assumed that this is a military conquest, but I wonder if that’s the only logical conclusion. When Greece, Spain, and Italy become financially insolvent – many have mentioned that it will take down the entire economy of Europe. I don’t think that the global economy could withstand one of the 3 largest players collapsing into financial chaos and hyperinflation.

I also don’t think when the inevitable becomes reality that the financial elites of Europe will be satified to suffer collapse without bringing as many with them as they can. “devoured” see Mark 12:40 for a parallel

The mortal wound that’s also been discussed is likely to bring this enormous beast crashing down on whatever is around it  ie “broken in pieces and stamped what was left”

I’m just speculating here, but I’m wondering if the soon economic collapse, their reaction to it to throw the rest of the world into as much economic chaos as possible, and the AC’s ability to “resurrect” the EU out of the shambles of global economic ruin don’t fit very neatly with those prophecies.

 One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. (Revelation 13:3 ESV)

Your thoughts?

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29 thoughts on “On Failing Economies, Being Devoured and Being Smashed

  1. This is quite possible, it seems the Beast is trampling what lies in its own territory in order to overcome. This is the task the EU has, it must trample on the sovereignty of European governments and disregard the democratic process/ the people. And yet the economy i still failing, I’m almost certain this is the wound the beast heals miraculously – the world has followed the US for its economic and political leadership, if the EU “fixes” this then it “fixes” the global economy. I say “fixes” because I believe the wound / economic crisis was caused by God in the first place and has occurred because of the US falling away – it was the foundation of the world system through dealing with God and now that support has gone. It will be an evil deal, effectively with Satan that replaces this. Remember all of the EUs imagery – “The rape of Europa” wuth the image of Zeus as a bull, the “Throne to Zeus” where the EU celebrated its 50th anniversary, tower of Babel inspired EU building Strasbourg…

    I am reminded of the phrase in Isaiah when I see all the pride of the West in its defiance against God saying we will be strong and recover “Gird yourselves yet be shattered”.

    “Be broken, O peoples, and be shattered; And give ear, all remote places of the earth. Gird yourselves, yet be shattered; Gird yourselves, yet be shattered.”

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  2. Good post and I agree except for 1 thing, People are forgetting about the Debt the US is in.
    I think its the USA that will crash first, There is the election going on and after that’s over then all bets are off.
    There is no way the US can fix their debt. They are the reserve currency of the world and that has to change and for that to happen they need wall st to crash pretty much. Then the IMF (world bank) can create its own world reserve currency ( a world currency) that is a basket of currency’s. Remember all the news about the US debt before the EU had issues? You don’t hear much about that lately but that will change. If the US crashes that will cause a world wide instant crash and a new system will have to start.
    I have read a few articles lately about the US merging with Canada and Mexico like the EU has done. But who knows what they will do all i know is they are preparing for something big.
    I could be wrong and the EU could go down but they aren’t the reserve currency of the world and countries like China, Russia and others have stated they want a new reserve currency not being the USA.

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  3. well I think the whole world economy and the way it is run, is the most ungodly thing in the world. So all of it will fall for sure. Has to in order for the one world system and the mark of the beast. Buying and selling

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  4. I read where JP Morgan chase lost 2 Billion dollars. I look for this to put the markets in a good tail spin.

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  5. http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/jp-morgan-suffers-massive-losses-4-2-billion-probable-may-spread-to-entire-sector_05102012

    Here is a link to the JPM loss provided by Jackie. And another:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/jpm-crashing-after-it-convenes-emergency-call-advise-significant-mark-market-losses

    Rob, excelent post. For the past year or so I was pondering the idea that the deadly wound may have something to do with the economy. It will be a miracle if the AC can heal the wound. All will wonder after the beast as it will look like Europe and its leader have the answer to save a sinking ship.

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  6. Gals…Guys,

    Another thing to keep in mind is the fact that Javier Solana has not disappeared. In the midst of all the things that are going on economically throughout the World – why does this man still appear on the scene?

    Something is about to happen, and we all sense it. I say from a prophetic viewpoint – watch the money.

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  7. once again mr. baldy–you said it. i really appreciate everyone posting and commenting here. your attention to the Word of God and dependence upon the Holy Spirit’s illumination of it bears witness to me that i am keeping good company in these dark days. let’s all pray for each other-& for other eyes to be opened also. keep shining the Truth that our Savior Reigns! Love Never Fails and we are upheld by the most Supremely Loving Hand of all-His Scars are our proof! God bless each of you as He fulfills His Perfect Will in you & yours. (what a time to be alive!)

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  8. Amen to all of the above.

    Roma not only does that confirm to us where we are in the time line but was reminded of this verse the Lord gave me in Feb 2008. Back then I was despised for daring to voice my concern for the ” abundance of things and the LOVE of these ” . Made me the # one enemy. Actually still am 😦

    Jam 5:1 — Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
    Jam 5:2 — Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
    Jam 5:3 — Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
    Jam 5:5 — Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

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  9. I love how Bro Brian put’s it 🙂

    ” Third, people are so much into eating out at nice restaurants, going to movies, traveling long distances, and enjoying the life in the Western world that they will not give up their comforts for God. To be with God, is to reject your own desires and wants, and go with God’s desires and wants. People today are too much into this world, and no other time in history would people find it so hard to give up their world for God’s.”

    No truer words were spoken. As in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, who would want to give up the high living right? self deception!

    What are these again, oh yes , Food , Fun and Frolicking 😦 L O V E R S of P L E A S U R E rather than lovers of God…having a F O R M of godliness 😦

    So sad to watch the justifications and the excuses to do these all under the ” grace” umbrella. It works, but not for much longer. God is not mocked, men shall reap what they have sown-period. I need to remind myself of that daily.

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  10. Interesting article from the Telegraph, Greek exit would not be fatal…
    According to Patrick Honohan of the ECB if Greece left the Euro it could be managed

    We’ll see, but if Greece leaves the domino’s start to fall and that could prove fatal, then all kinds of things “not imagined in the treaties” could take place.

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  11. In my opinion, The Euro will not fail. Even the talk(s) of it failing, countries potentially leaving it, and/or their refusal to initially submit to it therein, is an indicator (at least to me) that the Revived Roman Empire, who once appeared dead, (will resurface, and be like iron and clay – in that they will not totally mix well together). They will then come back to life in full force to devour the whole earth – and the Antichrist will have established this.

    So far, the 2 of the 3 horns, from the 10 that appear to be on their way to be subdued are:

    1) Greece…and
    2) Great Britain

    The potential 3rd Horn may either be Spain or Italy.

    If one were to look at the whole scenario, being that there are “threats” of the Euro collapsing, the obvious situation with Greece, and the denial of Great Britain – who is so proud of her unwillingness to have not gone to the Euro in the first place – leaves me to think that “IF” the EU is the 1st Beast mentioned in Revelation 13, and the Fourth and final Empire mentioned in the Book of Daniel; then the monetary system will have to sustain itself initially in order to “appear dead”; then come back to life as to survive a mortal wound. The “Mark of the Beast system then could be implemented by way of this final Beast System, who has taken control by requiring “All” to receive it’s “mark” in order to eat, maintain a job, and basically sustain life. The effects of War could be the instrument that ushers in this final Mark of it’s system – or “Beast” requirement that is mentioned in Scripture.

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  12. Mr B you said ” The effects of War could be the instrument that ushers in this final Mark of it’s system – or “Beast” requirement that is mentioned in Scripture.”

    Jeremiah 51 ?

    Maybe this is the ” grieving” many of us have been feeling? The coming destruction and the opening up of the pit?

    Also reflecting on Isaiah 14 this morning, I just realized who the ” prisoners” are that satan ” releases” at his coming ….those demonic beings of – 2 Peter 2:4
    For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

    Isaiah 14 : 16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

    17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

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  13. Could be Hisown,

    All I am saying is that it may not be so “spelled out” as we have imagined it in our own interpretation – but Scripture has revealed it, and it is yet for us to understand. The Pre Tribulation Rapture ideas has left many of us in a zone, that seems unrecoverable.

    When I offer interpretations of Scripture, I really want to offer an objective view – as if to say that I may not be correct, and since Scripture, as far as eschatology is concerned is mostly symbolic, then perhaps “thinking outside of the box” may bring about some thought provoking ideas that may be in line with Scripture.

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  14. Thank-you Mr B.

    I was thinking about this a few days ago. Is it at the sixth seal that the ” destroyer” opens up the bottomless pit ( Apollyon) ?

    Massive earthquake and the release of demonic forces – what a horrible thought 😦

    Revelation 9:1

    And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

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  15. Mr. Baldy – I am so blessed and encouraged by your post. I think you point us to a wonderful truth- WE DON’T KNOW exactly how the the Lord will choose to fulfill the prophecies of scripture. We only know that when we look at scripture in hindsight, things have always come to pass perfectly as he has said. I don’t think there are many things that I can point to the future of prophetic fulfillment and say “this thing is most certainly this!!!” I do know of the things that have already come to pass – like the rebirth of Israel, the revival of the Roman Empire, these are done and I can see that they fulfill prophecy. I really appreciate your position of “This is what I am thinking scripture says, and how it may apply to current event, but I may be incorrect”. I want to put that in big flashing giant capital letters on every one of my posts here. We watch- not because we know we are right, but because the Lord told us to watch and by parable to be ready. We watch for the signs like the diligent farmer – he knows when to til the soil, when to sow the seed, when to irrigate, and when the time draw near for harvest. We watch for the signs that our bridegroom draws near. Should we not be hopeful that the ominous news from the Middle East is the prelude to prophecies to be fulfilled? Should we not look to the Eurozone crisis and say – look it this is exactly as He has told us it would be (I can’t say that yet, but it certainly seems to fit some of the theories we’ve shared here so far). I will be hopeful and will keep watching even if He decides we must wait a bit longer before every one that He has decided shall not perish has been drawn to Him.

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  16. Sometimes our “God confidence ” is misunderstood, misinterpreted and mistakenly analyzed and pray that the Lord will be the one that judges the intentions of the heart.

    The Lord has been teaching me through the life of Rahab and am blessed beyond words to learn the lesson of faith, trust , confidence and the character of God through her life. She defied all at the cost of her own life – the Lord had a purpose for her life. She has been teaching me quite a few things on who the Lord choses to bring glory to Him and His beautiful dealings with unworthy vessels 🙂
    Not to derail but she ended up having a son – “BOAZ” – the kinsman-redeemer in the book of Ruth.
    I love that! God does not call the equipped, He equips the called 🙂

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  17. you are right Hisown. sometimes others may see holy boldness as self-confidence but then they must beware lest they be judging—exactly what they could be accusing another of. in the understanding that my own heart is deceitful and so wicked that i cannot know it i must surrender to Jesus daily to remain tender and thankful for the Holy Spirit’s purifying convictions. truth be told that gives me plenty to do without taking on trying to figure out everyone else’s motives. (but please help me bros and sisses if/when i get out of order). love to you all in Jesus’ Name.

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  18. Genesis 47:15 (KJV)
    And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth.

    Ecclesiastes 1:9 (KJV)
    The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

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  19. Revelation 6:1-2 (KJV)
    And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

    [2] And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

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  20. Revelation 6:3-4 (KJV)
    And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

    [4] And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

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  21. Revelation 6:5-6 (KJV)
    And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

    [6] And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

    Money fails

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  22. Revelation 6:7-8 (KJV)
    And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

    [8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

    Hunger?

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  23. Revelation 13:16-17 (KJV)
    And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

    [17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    Because of war and peace taken from the earth.

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