The beast to uproot a horn?

Britain will run from Brussels if Van Rompuy is replaced by a super EU president

Britain will run from Brussels if Van Rompuy is replaced by a super EU president Reports:


SENIOR Eurocrats are secretly plotting to create a super-powerful EU president to realise their dream of abolishing ­Britain, we can reveal.

A covert group of EU foreign ministers has drawn up plans for merging the jobs currently done by Herman Van Rompuy, president of the European Council, and Jose Manuel Barroso, president of the European Commission.

The new bureaucrat, who would not be directly elected by voters, is set to get sweeping control over the entire EU and force member countries into ever-greater political and economic union.

Tellingly, the UK has been excluded from the confidential discussions within the shady “Berlin Group” of Europhile politicians, spearheaded by German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle.

Opponents fear the plan could create a modern-day equivalent of the European emperor envisaged by Napoleon Bonaparte or a return to the Holy Roman Empire of Charlemagne that dominated Europe in the Dark Ages.

They are concerned that David Cameron’s coalition Government is doing nothing to prevent the sinister plot. The secret talks were uncovered by Independent Labour peer Lord Stoddart of Swindon.

“This is a plot by people who want to abolish nation states and create a United States of Europe,” he said.

“The whole thing is barmy. These people are determined to achieve their final objective

“The only hope for Britain is to leave the EU and become an independent nation.”

Read the rest HERE.


First of all, thanks to Denise for sending this to me early this morning SA time. I see Matt has also caught up tp it and warned the other watchmen. Thanks Matt.

A few days ago Rob did a post called One Super-Minister to Rule Them All. Now today Drudge reports on the same with ideas to scrap Brittan from the EU. Friends, this is HUGE news. Please read the complete original article on Express. The beast empire is looking for a new Napoleon. Roots (nations) will be uprooted as he rise to power. This is not a far in the future event. This is happening under our noses and few are watching.

I still think that the economic collapse of Europe will be the catalyst to put this process in fast forward. People will be so desperate that they will not care what the leaders do, as long as they do something. Satan will have his man in power very soon. Lets see if the man we are watching gets this super position.

Now if I was a betting man…


43 thoughts on “The beast to uproot a horn?

  1. Doh! How did I miss this detail when the story first broke about the Super Minister last week! In addtion to France and Greece (both full WEU members) the UK wasn’t there at the meeting to discuss the proposal- and Denmark (who is not a full WEU member but and observer) was.

    Also noted about Denmark, the only country that was and EU member and a NATO member but not a full voting member of the WEU because:

    “Denmark was an exception, being member of both. It has an opt-out from the Treaty of Maastricht (1992), so that it does not participate in the CSDP of the European Union. Thus in respect to the WEU it would have been more appropriate for it to be regarded as non-EU NATO member state (WEU associate status).”

    (copied from wikipedia, who I don’t usually cite but here looks accurate)


  2. And the EU’s central bank head advises the EU that they need to plan to give up more sovereignty for the currency/union to survive

    Draghi: euro countries to lose even more sovereignty

    BRUSSELS – European Central Bank (ECB) chief Mario Draghi has urged eurozone leaders to come up with a 10-year target for the common currency, saying they should accept more transfer of powers if they truly want a fiscal union.

    So interesting that the meeting was held in Barcelona. Who else do we know who lives in Spain, was in the area this week?


  3. Interesting article. I’ve been following this news on the EU super president too, will they bite the bullet soon and appoint someone? I think its one or 2 crises off just yet, but that could be tomorrow at this rate! A word of warning on the Express, they tend, like all papers to slightly skew things to support their position and love to do anti EU stories like this knowingly going OTT with their titles as in the abolition of Britain. Nevertheless we have been a serious pain when it comes to their insane “ever closer union” and need to be put in our place.


  4. After a closer read, I think what the author of the article means by “abolish Britain” doesn’t mean throw it out, rather sideline it whilst it abolishes the nation state system, including the UK. Emotive journalism is slightly skewing clear communications here! Nevertheless as the Eurozone and EU come under increased pressure this is happening! Its give up on Europe, prosperity and peace or accept one King to Rule them all…..


  5. Great Find!

    As I read this article, I began to think…wow, is this the seat of the coming Antichrist?

    In Scripture, we know that the coming Antichrist has to remain hidden until “his time” (2 Thessalonians 2:6). There has been a lot of speculation as to what actually “reveals” the Antichrist – especially from the Pre Tribulation Rapture camp. Those from the Pre Tribulation Rapture camp are guilty of “reading into” Scripture, and those who have made money from selling their garbage books are guilty of polluting the minds of those seeking the truth. They have done so by creating this very false interpretation of 2 Thessalonians 2; in that they say the “he” mentioned is the Holy Spirit. They mention this to add credence to their faulty eschatology in order to make sense of a Pre Tribulation Rapture.

    We know from Scripture that the coming Antichrist will be “revealed” after ‘he’ who is restraining him from being revealed is removed. Question is who, or what is restraining him, and who removes him?

    2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 reads:

    6) And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. 7) For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. 8) Then that lawless one will be revealed….

    So, in other words if something is restraining him, and whatever it is or whomever it is that is doing the restraining also has to be removed, in order for Antichrist to be revealed. (back to this thought in my closing remarks)

    I believe that the 1st Beast of Revelation 13 is the Revived Roman Empire – and NOT a man. This is becoming more and more apparent as the EU attempts to unite. This Beast Empire will be synonymous with a single man who will control it. The 10 WEU nations have given up their power to this EU Beast Empire – thus fulfilling Revelation 17:12-13, which reads:

    12) “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13) These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.

    Great Britain will not be removed from the EU, nor will they just quit. They can’t – as it is the banking system (money) that unites us all. They will succumb to the pressure of the EU Beast System, which is on the rise right before our very eyes – in her infancy stages of devouring the whole Earth. Britain will give up her sovereignty. (Bold prediction huh?) Guess time will tell…..

    Nevertheless, in order for the 10 Kings (WEU) which was dissolved, to receive her kingdom, she had to give up her authority to this Beast. The ruling with the Beast for one hour will be the 3.5 years mentioned in the reign of the coming Antichrist.

    In closing….as I always mention, I am not dogmatic about my views – as I have been wrong before. What I believe is restraining the coming Antichrist from being revealed is Michael the Archangel. (This is not an original idea) But if we look at Daniel 12:1, which reads:

    12) “At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as never has been since there was a nation till that time.”

    This passage of Scripture appears to work in harmony with Matthew 24:15-22 – which describes the A0D; in that a time of trouble begins thereafter, and will be such as the World has never known. Scripture indicates that Michael has charge over Israel. He doesn’t just stand up on his own – he doesn’t have that authority. It is God, (IMHO) who instructs Michael to stand up, as all orders that angels are given come from God. If we look back at 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 we learn that the ‘he’ who is doing the restraining has to be “taken out of the way”, or removed. This would be inconsistent with the ‘he’ being the Holy Spirit, as the Holy Spirit is God, and does not need to be instructed to be “taken away”; or removed from restraining anything. He is Sovereign.

    The coming Antichrist will have to be in power prior to his revelation. This new announcement of a “Super EU President” appears to be the coming Antichrist.


  6. Nice Mr B !

    Amen to all of the above. Another point is how do those in the trib come to faith in Christ with no Holy Spirit “drawing” anyways?

    There is a battle going on that I’ve never experienced in my 19 yrs walk with the Lord and wonder if what we are ” feeling ” ( I hate to use a emotional word ) is part of the unseen battle in the spiritual realm? I humbly feel something has changed.

    It’s as if the ” anti-christ” spirit is gaining momentum daily. I watch people, listen, study and observe. Something is desperately wrong. There seems to be a spirit of despair, despondency and fear. People know something is just wrong yet there is a DEFIANT refusal for REPENTANCE!

    The so called ” Christian church ” religiously( pridefully ) holds onto their ” get out of hell free ( cheap) grace card ” and despise those that dare to expose the falsehood and feigned worship.

    Wait what was that again about ” many will say ” Lord , Lord ” ?

    Those deceived by this spirit can’t see just how enslaved they really are. It is this that will one day cause them to take the mark, and guess what..many will happily comply and CURSE ( betray and turn the resistors in ) those of us that dare to resist. Funny how Christ said they ” think they are doing ” God ” a service. That dear friends tells me we will have decivers in our midst , or shall I say ” tares” , “false brethren”, wolves in sheep’s clothing 😦

    Once ” he” ( Michael ) is instructed and that ” appointed -time” becomes a reality I wonder how many will be able to stand the persecution from families, friends and fellowships?

    I believe many of us have been in training for a time such as this and for that I praise His matchless Name!

    The Lord is known by the judgment He executes; The wicked is snared in the work of his own hands.Psalms 9


  7. Vic I sent you a mail I wrote yesterday that I saved in a draft ( raw and unedited) and want to ask a quick question for discussion purposes only.

    “It is just like satan to try to be ” LIKE” Christ right?

    Is is possible that he ( will be ) in the ” wilderness ” ( AS JESUS WAS FOR 40 days? ) so to speak and will be REVEALED AT THE APPOINTED TIME when Michael is commanded?

    His hour of power position being prepared ? I wonder who it is that will ” baptise ” him or announce this to the world?

    Oh I like that the three P’s 🙂 or is that two counterfeit peas in a pod.



  8. the most popularie preachers in the Netherlands all preach the pre trib doctrine and fooled so many people including me untill I, thanks to FP, spotted our friendly mr solana. Then I started digging en studying and thanks to you guys, I found out the the pre trib doctrine is competly false! I know next to me only three others who solana seriously see as a candidate for the antichrist.the rest of the people seem to be blind and are waiting for events that will not happen like in their expectations. and this makes me really scared because there are so many people who will be totally unprepared for what is coming! I expect that the EU president, whoever it will be, will get the power for 42 months … and I really expected this will be solana .. there is no one else who could do this and none of the caliber of solana.

    time to build a shelter wickus! I send you a shovel by carrier pigeon (postduif) because I heard that your toilet is too small to hide! and when you’re ready, I will join you (don’t worry: I’ll bring with me my own bread and drinks)


  9. Oh my!!!

    Matt you are highly hilarious!

    How ” Dutch ” of you…bread and drinks? LOL I hope they are soda’s?

    Oh BTW I kneed and make my own Dutch bread and wonder if you guys have ever tasted these wrapped over a stick and baked over hot coals. Yummy trib food 🙂


  10. Hey guys! I haven’t posted for some months because I have been busy with school, but I thought you all would like to know about this:

    Matt. 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Messiah; and shall deceive many.

    Jose Luis Miranda: false messiah

    Alan Miller: false messiah


  11. Unbelievable !

    Did anyone catch the “kundalini ” spirit being manifested in these poor deceived souls ?

    Thank-you for this clip Test of Time wow the EX JW preacher ” jesus” is the most subtle and deceptive I have ever come across.

    The 666 dude is just plain stupid.And so are those that follow him. The “jesus” guy is a lesson on just how S E D U C T I V E Satan can be. Now where was it that I’ve seen that before? oh never mind 😦

    In fear and trembling.


  12. Guys we ain’t seen nothing yet, wait till those dudes come crawling out of the pit . They will make this guy look like pinocchio 🙂

    Hmm now it all makes sense. The Lord sure knows how to prepare His own for the massive end time deception. God is so perfect in all His ways and His ways are not always our’s right?

    Ahhh, we’ve been in training 🙂

    Alrighty then…next !


  13. I think all the fake Messiahs should come together for a “Leadership Conference”.
    I wonder how that would turn out.


  14. I’m probably a really bad person for saying this, but I’d pay money to see a false messiah cage match. They could do it like thunderdome – 10 messiah enter, 1 messiah leave. I’m sorry, there is nothing funny about all this deception. I just can’t help mocking these idiots that are leading a bunch of other idiots who can’t be bothered to open their Bible and actually read it astray.

    Ok – enough monday morning levity and back to my usual self. I feel so grieved for the people I see in these videos – to be duped by these evil men bent on proclaiming themselves God. In a way though these men are no more crazy than the Deepak Chopra’s and a the Oprah’s of the world, that though they use different vocabulary are still bent on creating a god in their own image.


  15. Or be little ” god’s right justasheep !

    What I find so fascinating about these ” poor” deceived souls is that at first I pitied them, my heart was torn to see how they seem to be under under some demonic spel, yet the Word of God tell’s me it is their L U S T S that cause them to follow these deceivers.

    Let’s not forget the ” Osteen’s” of this world that have so many memorized by his glossy words and ( fake ) all day smile. I need to stop, my blood is boiling !

    2 Tim 4

    but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers


  16. Amen Hisown,

    I still pray that there are some among them that the Lord will choose to draw to himself. But I know that Romans 1:18-31 is speaking so clearly of these that are worshipping these false christs – it is God’s judgement upon them that their hearts are darkened.

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
    Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
    For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
    And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
    (Romans 1:18-32 ESV)


  17. extreme stuff isn’t it? —but you are right justasheep—the chopras and winfreys of the world are only a more acceptable cleaned up version of the same perversion of the Word of God. …..offended by the real Jesus Christ (The Word-john 1:1) and refusing (blaspheming) the work of the Holy Spirit-the True Teacher-Who never veers from the Word of God-these poor miserable people will turn to the likes of the these “teachers” giving them authority over their lives that is undeserved and unchallenged. blinded by lies. i read it this morning in my quiet time–then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. and because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. matt 24:11-12. cold hearts that crave the particular attention of their own real or perceived victimization (loving their sin in the idolatry of “poor me”)–who refuse the true healing of Salvation by repentance and faith in Christ alone (the Bible’s Jesus) want signs and wonders and a flesh and blood touchable “savior” in the now. they are rock hard and stone cold to the Truth-denying Christ is Lord. the devil is picking them off by the thousands of thousands. such is the way of the world—–in the futility of their mind, having their understanding darkened, alienated from the Life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, the blindness of their heart, past feeling (past feeling conviction–but can feel condemnation—they are not past emotionalism as we evidenced in the video), give themselves over………… have not so learned Christ……… eph 4: 17-20. Praise God for the precious Treasure of this Bible in my hand that from it the Spirit of God has taught me the True Son of God–i’ll have no other god before me…{{having put off my former conduct, renewed in my mind (daily), put on the new man which was created according to God in true righteousness and holiness. vs.22-24}} no more excusing myself-therefore accusing myself–that horrible hellish cycle—-that is all banished in Jesus Blood!!! freedom those poor folks have chosen to turn away from (for many it is too late)–storing up God’s Wrath unto themselves. (sad beyond words…………)


  18. posted then saw your words Hisown and rob’s post too–many will say Lord, Lord, didn’t i…?? man oh man is hell gonna be hot…


  19. Let me please say that DECEPTION comes in all forms…….

    There are those who are deceived by people such as those in the presented videos. Then there is a different level of deception – perhaps one that may not deal with you on the level of what is so apparent, but we all have our weaknesses, and our own personal sins that we are dealing with.

    Don’t be fooled by the obvious, Satan knows how to appeal to your desires. Perhaps its money, power, fame, the acceptance of others, lust, adultery, porn, greed, coveteousness…and what’s appealing to those who have no idea that the Return of Christ is near.

    How many of you really believe that the Return of Christ is near? How many of you say in your heart that, oh well, this or that hasn’t happened, or the coming Antichrist hasn’t been revealed yet, or the so-called 3rd Temple hasn’t been erected yet; or even a spiritual outpouring of the gospel hasn’t been completed, and the masses haven’t been saved…..or better yet, it can’t possibly happen in my lifetime?

    Well, let me remind those who are so quick to judge others that Noah took 120 years to build the Ark – and in those 120 years, do you not think that there were those who sincerely asked questions as to why he was building the Ark? Yet, the Creator of the Universe stated that His Return would be just like the Days of Noah – the people didn’t have a clue. They mocked Noah, and those who even thought that there may be a possibility that he may be right – but only 8 were saved.

    People, God is not mocked. What He says will happen, it Will Happen – and just the way He said it would. Not how we think, or try to ascribe to. So before we are so quick to think that we have “arrived” in our Salvation – let’s remain humble. I’m speaking to myself mostly,as I have viewed the comments of this web-site over the past few weeks.

    Brothers and Sisters in Christ…….. it’s easy to say that we Love Christ, but do we really?


  20. Amen Baldy- Amen.

    Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!(2 Corinthians 13:5 ESV)

    Certainly – we should have assurance of our salvation since once we are in Christ there is no power that can snatch us from his hand. We should examine ourselves to see that it is truly Christ on the throne in our lives, and that our love for him is before every other thing, EVERY other thing.

    Me too Baldy- you were rightly speaking truth to me too.


  21. amen mr. baldy. having put off–me-to put on–Him in a daily renewal of mind and heart that examines-searches and tries-every wicked way in me that i may confess and find Him faithful and just to forgive and cleanse me from all unrighteousness. 1 john 1:9. yes anybody’s words can be cheap-that is why a real walk with the Lord is in fear and trembling. that takes faith amen? (exactly what so many people are choosing–so sad—not to place their faith in Christ Jesus)


  22. Amen Mr Baldy…

    He who think’s he stand…….beware lest he fall .

    The whole sin issue here is lust….and that can take any form.

    It’s not of ” arriving ” but ….- Gal 5:24 — And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

    It’s not about thinking we are all that an a bag of chips 😦 but a definite DEATH to self amen 🙂

    Gal 6:14 — But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

    The problem- these things are appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human. We are drawn away but that which we lust after.

    2Pe 2:18 — For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

    The solution. I love this- Col 3:3 — For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

    Gal 5:16 — This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

    My whole life I have been exposed to ” people lying in wait to deceive” and God has given me the gift of discernment to expose these.

    I pray that this is not seen as ” being high minded” or that I may be covering up some ” hidden closet sin ” 🙂


  23. I doubt if there are any Christian nations left in Europe. If that is a requirement for uprooting, all will be uprooted.


  24. Britian cannot be part of the 10 because they are not of one mind with the other 10 as far as faith
    Revelation 17:13
    These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


  25. Ozell wrote:

    “Britian cannot be part of the 10 because they are not of one mind with the other 10 as far as faith
    Revelation 17:13
    These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.”

    Britain is a part of the 10 WEU Nations – this is why there is a “possibility” of her being uprooted to give up her sovereignty to the EU Beast.


  26. Amen Mr B .

    Rev 17:17 — For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.


  27. Revelation 17:1-2,4-5 (KJV)
    And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: [2] With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. [4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: [5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH .

    ThIs whore that ride the beast (10) is the religious leader

    Revelation 17:9-13 (KJV)
    And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. [10] And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. [11] And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. [12] And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. [13] These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

    They all must have one mind, this includes the spiritual side of it.


  28. Ozell – I think there a number of us here that have doubts about the whore of babylon specifically referring to the Catholic church. The city on seven hills isn’t really all that literally helpful since a view of geography reveals there are 60 cities that report to be built on 7 hills. I’m guessing the 7 hills refers to mor than that – though there are some really intriguing cities in the list of cities on 7 hills in addtion to Rome, like Brussels, Amman, Istanbul, Jerusalem, Barcelona, Mecca, and i’m sure some others that are interesting. You can see the list here:

    I’d suggest that the whore refers to all man-made idolatrous false religion (of which the Roman church is a part). Many of us have seen a disturbing trend toward ecumenism, many paths to God, syncretism (even among those that claim to be Christian, like Rick Warren). My personal guess is that this drawing together of of world faiths will accelerate under some banner of universal human brotherhood or some other humanist garbage. I expect they will all unite, yet they will all be of one mind in hating the true church. The beast system will encourage them for a while, and at some point (hopefully after we are snatched away by the Lord) he will betray even them and I guess will expect worship of only him, and what he has done.

    My own opinion, and I’m probably the only one that thinks this here, but I speculate that perhaps the AoD is the crescendo of his rule that comes 1290 after the daily sacrifice (though I’m not certain which sacrifice is referred to) is taken away. I need to go spend some time in the prayer closet and study “hattamid”.


  29. The Lord gave a specific location and that specific location is the only place with 7 hills that has a religious HQ. No other place on this planet that sits on 7 hills has a religion dictating their word of God.


  30. In Daniel 7 and 8 let’s us know that the Little horn, man of sin, false prophet, or AOD came out of Rome and It also let’s us know that it will be around until the ancient of days sit (Jesus)

    Daniel 7:7-9,11 (KJV)
    After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

    [8] I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

    9] I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

    11] I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.


  31. “My own opinion, and I’m probably the only one that thinks this here, but I speculate that perhaps the AoD is the crescendo of his rule that comes 1290 after the daily sacrifice (though I’m not certain which sacrifice is referred to) is taken away. I need to go spend some time in the prayer closet and study “hattamid”

    Animal sacrifice will be ended by the AOD. Daniel lets us know that there will be a certain # of days of animal sacrifice and the AOD will put a stop to it. This is when he comes into the temple this begins the Great Tribulation

    Here he takes away the daily sacrifice and we can go to Paul to let us know that this is in the end time. Notice below he has a army helping him. It will take a army to put him in the temple and take away the animal sacrifices

    Daniel 11:31-32,36-37 (KJV)
    And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice , and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. [32] And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits . [36] And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. [37] Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

    Here Paul speaks of the same guy, same time.

    2 Thessalonians 2:2-4 (KJV)
    That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. [3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; [4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


  32. You are correct, but my question – what are we referring to as Rome? Should we simply assume that the Roman Catholic Church is the continuation of the Roman Empire? That seems a little silly since while the popes have wielded considerable influence for many centuries, they have not ruled as the Caesars did during the time that Rome was the pre-eminent world empire. I think many of look to Rome reborn – commonly cited (even by secular writers) as the European Union (headquartered I might add in a city on seven hills as well. The illustration of Rome Reborn is fairly well illustrated in Daniel 2:40-43 by the legs of Iron and feet of Iron and clay. It’s significant that in every other instance prior – Babylon, gold, Medo-Persia, silver, Greece, bronze – as the empires of man followed one after another the metal changed. Between the legs and feet it does not- but it is weakened by being mixed with clay.


  33. I don’t know, maybe I’m just stubborn and proud – and if it’s that I apologize beforehand. I am uncomfortable with the most common reading of Daniel 12:11 that you give below.

    And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days.
    (Daniel 12:11 ESV)

    I need to go ask a hebrew scholar I trust if the only grammatically correct way to read this hebrew text is how it is most commonly understood as you suggest – taking of the sacrifice, and AoD – then 1290 days utnil something else.

    I am wondering if it is possible that it means taking of the daily offering (Hattamid), 1290 days, then the AoD.


  34. Here is the Rome we look for

    Daniel 7:19-22 (KJV)
    Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; [20] And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows. [21] I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; [22] Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

    Notice Daniel was not in the Roman Empire this is that dreadful beast that came after Greece. We can agree on this. notice again that this same terrible beast which we know is Rome because the bible and history tells us it came after Greece is around when the ancient of days come.

    We can safely say at the beginning of the roman empire was prophesied by Daniel until the very end of its empire

    We read above also is this

    The Roman empire never went away according to Daniel.

    We have to include Julius Caesar. Pompeii, the original founders, the ceasars, the holy roman empire and anything that comes between and afterwards

    You are on track with your understanding Please Pursue it more. I have heard ad read a whole lot worse.

    Also look up the treaty of Rome.


  35. I don’t think you need a Hebrew scholar Jesus did not put his word in a Hebrew scholar hand. Anyway it means what it says

    Daniel 12:11 (KJV)
    And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

    When the AoD stop animal sacrifice in Jeruselem this is when he sets up.

    Rember the Israelis are sacrificing to there God., but the AoD said that he is god. We have a problem. The AoD takes it away and sets up. The Great tribulation is 3.5 years which is 1260 days he has to set up which will take a additional 30 days which gives us 1290. the passage says he sets up

    Daniel 12:11 (KJV)
    And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

    30 days to set up
    1260 days of great tribulation we can read this

    = 1290 days

    When we see him move into the temple this begins the GT.

    This also put a stop to the animal sacrifices.


  36. I will agree with you that the Roman Empire never went away, as we see the legs of Iron being Roman Empire in its beginning taking over Greece, etc. But we are told to look for the division of ten shown by the toes of iron and clay. Many of us here think that the EU, revived Roman Empire has a lot of meaning. How this plays out no one of course knows for sure.

    I know my thinking is that the AC indeed does go into the temple and declares himself God. Now where we all think on that subject is varied I do believe. Either way right now we all must continue to watch and pray that is for sure.

    I for one, do not have all the answers, but will continue to pray and study and watch. And live my life as a believer as a witness for the Lord Jesus Christ and his salvation. And that for sure his words and all prophecy in the bible will indeed be fulfilled. Salvation through HIM is the only way to go.



  37. Hi
    We do look for the 10 and they were revealed earlier in the year. We also know that the other 17 that make up the EU those eastern European nations, former Soviet Union nations will go back to Russia. These will have to make up the King Of the East.

    Revelation 16:12 (KJV)
    And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

    The nations east of te Euphrates river

    The 10 will b the core. The other 17 will hang on until it’s time for them to Go back to the Medes(Russia)

    The 10 were once upon a time part of the Holy Roman Empire

    Please look up the treaty of Rome. This document signed back in 1957 put the roman back on the table.


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