Does the Former Head of Israeli Intelligence Know Something We Don’t?

Ex-Shin Bet Head Diskin Calls Netanyahu, Barak ‘Messianic’


I have to admit – this headline caused quite an acceleration in my pulse rate this morning. It could be political gamesmanship on Diskin’s part, or it could be he meant something other than what I think. It’s not uncommon to hurl an epithet at your opponents in preparation for a political campaign. At the same time, there are many other words he could have used. In my experience, men who head intelligence agencies are an unusual sort, who I don’t think typically choose any word lightly especially when they know how it will be analyzed in the future.

“The present leadership is messianic,” he said. “Our two messiahs – the one from Caesarea and the one from the Akirov Towers [Netanyahu has a residence in Caesarea, and Barak lived in Tel Aviv’s Akirov Towers until recently – ed.] – are unfit to hold the reins of power. They give the public a false picture on the Iran question. They create the feeling that if Israel does not act, Iran will have a nuclear bomb, even though experts think that an attack on Iran will cause it to speed up the process of arming with nuclear weapons.” It was unclear what he meant by “messianic”, but possibly the word he intended was “apocalyptic”.

I find it interesting as well that this story would surface on the day that the current prime minister is mourning the death of his father, a man who in his own right deeply impacted Jewish identity and a Jewish approach to history.

In case this doesn’t make sense to anyone as to why it would catch my attention – most people who call themselves “Messianic Jews” are follower of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Now it’s possible that this is not what he meant – but why would he choose a word that so frequently has that strong connotation?

Is this anything? I don’t know, but at the same time it’s worth keeping an eye on.


40 thoughts on “Does the Former Head of Israeli Intelligence Know Something We Don’t?

  1. How does one contain this Rob?

    Jhn 7:38 — He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

    Jhn 7:39 — (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

    Unless Bibi is keeping this under wraps for now, I find it difficult to even begin to understand how one is able to remain silent of such a awesome translation from dark to light.

    I love this man….wish he was my dad 🙂 and pray that soon we will know.

    Not to get off topic but are you guys not blown away at where we are at in the appointed time!!

    I find myself having to place both hands over my mouth, not in silencing , but in awe.


  2. Based on interpersonal relationships, I don’t believe the PM is a Messianic Jew. He certainly has great respect for Christians, especially in the context of our support for Israel. The quote may be in reference to a possible desire of the PM to oversee the rebuilding of the third temple. Of course, if the Pm was indeed a follower of Yeshua, is would almost be certain political suicide to openly acknowledge it.


  3. You are probably right Michael. I don’t buy the concept that some have pitched of “secret christians”. Still it would be pretty cool if God were sowing a seed – and some day on a day when Israel was facing its apparent imminent destruction he were to hear, “Bibi, take off your shoes, for the place where you stand is holy ground”


  4. As I read this article, and took into consideration End Time deception, I was wondering if any of you have considered the following:

    1) That the Book of Revelation is symbolic?
    2) That it may not be necessary for a third temple to be built?
    3) That most of our End Time views have been based on a pre-tribulation Rapture ideology?
    4) That there is only ONE End Time Player who will usher in Armageddon, and rule the Beast Empire, but not the entire World?
    5) That the 1st Beast in the Book of Revelation is the Revived Roman Empire, and not a man?
    6) That the False Prophet and Antichrist may be one and the same?
    7) That because the 1st Beast mentioned in Revelation 13 may indeed be an Empire – it is this Empire, and its system, that causes “All” to receive the Mark of the Beast – and not a man called the False Prophet?
    8) That the “literal” Millennial Reign of Christ will be considered as one day?
    9) That at the Return of Christ the Sheep & Goats Judgement commences – which is different than the Great White Throne Judgement?
    10) That there will be no End Time “markers” that are so absolute that we could actually pinpoint the day and hour of Jesus’ Return?

    I have asked these 10 questions because there are so many preconceived ideas out there concerning End Time Prophecy – that I think many will be led astray.

    If anyone cares to comment on any of these questions, or have any additional insight I would greatly appreciate it. Hopefully we can all learn something from each other, thus edify the Body of Christ. I certainly don’t pretend to have all the answers, but I don’t feel satisfied with some of the answers that I have been reading from other web – sites.

    Thanks in advance,



  5. Mr Baldy ,

    Thank-you brother for opening up a much needed discussion. It is so fascinating for me to witness how the Holy Spirit is leading us AGAINST all that man has taught us. The Lord Jesus made it quite clear – “LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU ” and much more in these end of end times with church taught doctrines and man made philosophies 😦

    As I go down your list I (gasp ? ) at the genuineness of each and am richly encouraged only because these questions have been prayerfully discussed , debated and dissected in private e-mails and home discussions.

    Being a gal I may not teach and pray that my sharing, asking and questioning would not been seen as such. Noted I must add that things are NOT PLAYING out as we have expected which causes me to ponder the painful realization that we may already be smack in the midst of the strong delusion and many are warm and fuzzy in the comfortable, “tickle my ears blanket” and they love how it feels !

    As time permits are we able to take each point and discuss that in depth , first biblically then what the Holy Spirit is teaching us. The anointing we have received of Him is TRUTH and no lie amen!

    Is it just me but there seems to be a evil fog hanging over this earth .

    Ichabod? I humbly fear so 😦


  6. Thank you both, Mr. Baldy and Hisown.

    I agree with the sentiment above. We could take each one of those at considerable length.

    In my post above I was making allusions without really spelling out what I was saying. I should be more clear.

    I was alluding that the former intelligence minister was noticing a bent toward the messianic by the current prime minister and defense minister. In making that allusion I was wondering if 1) he saw some evidence that either or both were taking more of an interest in the prophetic words of the Hebrew bible 2) Did he see some evidence that either was possibly ruminating about the appearance of the messiah 3) the most obvious did he believe one or both was possibly considering that the messiah has already been and his name is Yeshua.

    If there’s any of truth to the above I am speculating as to whether the Spirit is at work prompting either of these men. If one of them were to open his eyes to the savior, I’d think he could be seen as coming in the spirit of Moses (as John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah). Yes, it would be political suicide I’m certain, unless at the same time some critical judgement by either man could be seen as contributing to a stunning and miraculous victory by Israel over an attack by her neighbors (Ezekiel 38 maybe?). That was why I alluded to the passage of Moses and the burning bush and Joshua at Jericho. At pivotal times in Israels history – God shows up personally to encourage, help and counsel the leader of his chosen people.

    I really should endeavor to be more clear and leave less to readers to draw their own conclusions about what I’m saying, so that they can either agree with me or point out my error.

    That gets me to my main point – You are right to point out the great delusion. There is a contrast I think in how God directly fulfills scriptures, and how sciptures are fulfilled, but by God’s enemies. We see in scriptures many prophecies that are to be fulfilled by Satan and those that belong to him in this world. While our enemy does not have access to the the Holy Spirit as we do in order to interpret the scriptures, he has had a very long time to consider and he does have access to know what God has said will come. If something is being fulfilled by him or one of his agents, I think he’s going to do it as stealthily as he can. That seems to be his standard Modus Operandi – sneak in the side with a quiet word to deceive and confuse those that he can. We see it in the world- an economy built on lies, diplomacy built on gamesmanship and lies, deception in the marketplace. We see it in the religion – “do this list of things and you will be saved”. We even see it in those that would claim the name of Jesus – though they are not the true church. No one who claims that God’s main aim is to make you wealthy, healthy or feel good in this life is really in the true church – the scriptures themselves condemn such false teachers.

    On the other hand – there are many pictures of things that God does not just allow, but actively works to fulfill. The two witnesses are that, the wrath of the Lamb , some of the trumpets and the bowls, prophecies that are fulfilled by God directly. Those are big and loud – and I am speculating here but I don’t think there will be any way anyone that is not fully deluded by the Antichrist would be able to deny that God has stepped into human history and done a miraculous thing.

    I agree almost entirely with all ten points above and especially think Mr. Baldy’s last point is absolutely correct – and agrees with scripture that no man will know the day or the hour. Our Lord did remind us about the seasons though, he gives us the signs of the end of the age and about the AOD and its suddenness. Therefore- we watch for the signs but we should rebuke soundly anyone who tells us they can pinpoint a date.

    If you’d like maybe we can discuss offline the best format for going through some of these things and take a post every day or two to unpack together what we find in scripture, and where we see examples of it playing out in front of our eyes.


  7. If you’d like maybe we can discuss offline the best format for going through some of these things and take a post every day or two to unpack together what we find in scripture, and where we see examples of it playing out in front of our eyes.

    Rob I think that is a awesome idea!

    Oh and just to let you in on a little secret ( can be confirmed by Vic – just resent him the original mail ) but after I got back from Israel I had expressed my love for two men that stole my heart there. Firstly Gershon Salomon and secondly Bibi.

    I pondered the possibility with him [ed. sheep] that after meeting Gershon and being blessed beyond measure as he confirmed every scripture the Lord led me to from 2003 that could these men be called for the ” appointed -time” ?

    Here is a quote from the original mail 🙂

    “Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 6:40:11 PM
    Subject: The Jewish man has stolen my heart, oh wait so did Gershon 2 yrs ago in Israel 🙂

    With each new day I’m convinced that these 2 men are going to play a major role in the next little while in Israel.There I SAID IT!!!”


    Guys I’m on the edge of my seat.

    His Word NEVER returns void!!! what stone is that again….yeah the FIFTH!!

    I pray you guys have your slings ready?

    My stones are polished , are your’s? LOL


  8. Opps edit ” her”

    Note to self – no taking calls while posting. Yeah like if that’s gunna ever change!


  9. yes a good idea justasheep. biting off a little at a time helps this girl. and Hisown i don’t know if you saw my request a couple or so posts back but please post about the 5 stones. you said i brought the first one in something i wrote. so it could help me know what you’ve been shown. and i agree-these jewish men you mention in their place at such a time as this is-i believe-purposed by the Lord as He works Great and Mighty Works among the chosen people in the beautiful “Glorious Land” of the Bible. it excites me to know end to know we are living in these prophetic days. oh yes-the Lord keeps to Himself-to keep us in a dependent humble place- He keeps up the suspense of the day and hour that we don’t know—but hallelujah for the season we are in!—watching God’s Greatness pass before our eyes in fulfilling the Living Word of the Living God-even as He uses evil as a tool in His hand to give himself Glory-we see that He has absolutely no rival-praise His Name-it is Jesus Christ the Lord Who holds us in His Hand-we do not have to fear. His Word blasts every lie! so yes to polished stones and the sharp two edged Sword in our hands and hearts amen?!!!?


  10. Is there any way those of you who post on here regularly can explain some of what you are talking about? For instance, the 5 stones. And i notice a handful of you correspond privately. I don’t have a problem with that so much, but that it seems like you all will go in a room and talk among yourselves, then reenter the room where the rest of us are, only still talking about the subject you were talking about in the room! I’m not complaining, I’m just excited, only i don’t know what about! His Own seems to know influential folks in Israel that is giving her goose bumps, I want to know what about! I appreciate you guys and will continue to follow what the Lord started and is continuing through Vic and Just a Sheep.


  11. Scott now I am confused 🙂

    Are you BornToWatch’s Scott or another one LOL?

    There are no private room’s friend. We all come from FP back in 2007 and have discussed these things in depth on e-mail studies as part of fellowship and pacing the wall as fellow watchmen and woman 🙂 There is NO me KNOWING influential folks only been blessed to have met Gershon back in 2009. That was NOT my doing but the Lord’s beautiful will as he confirmed the coming judgment to the nation that places a yoke on Israel’s neck though him the day we met in a private meeting with him. He quoted every scripture verbatim of what the Lord has been affirming since 2003 and the ROAD MAP TO PEACE proposal 😦

    I’ve shared the five stones here a gazillion times going as far back as last July and will share those if you wish again 🙂

    Do I need to apologize for sharing these details in private e-mails or am I misunderstanding you ?

    Always in agape love,


  12. Please forgive me sis Andre it slipped my mind.

    Let me copy/paste from where I just posted it at John Mc T ‘s – ” The 666 Surveillance System” post

    Isaiah 5:20-21
    Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
    Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!
    The greatest consolation for me right now is to witness the power of His precious Holy Spirit confirm and re-affirm in ways that not only are irrefutable but a precious gift from the Father’s hand. It is these that will give us the strength to stand in the dark days ahead.
    John here are the five smooth stones the Lord has given to His own. Use them in faith in the days ahead.
    I know *this is a Hollywood depiction but it reminded me of what the Lord showed me in July last year and the FIVE SMOOTH stones for the body of Christ – for a time such as this
    1) Zechariah 4:6
    Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
    2) Revelation 12:11
    And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,
    3) and by the word of their testimony;
    4) and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    Revelation 12:10-12
    5) So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
    Isaiah 55:10-12


  13. ok Hisown now i am realizing what you meant. sorry i’m a little slow on the uptake! thanks hon for this as it shows me the progression in believing you are referring to prepare for battle….by His Spirit-by His Blood-by His Testimony in the believer-by His Life in them (dead to their own lives)-by His Word that cannot fail! (the Zeal of the Lord of Hosts will perform the mighty feats to defeat the foe—what “giant” can defy that and win?? there is not one!) Rise up in me Jesus—in us all. amen.


  14. I think we are both just speculating at this point – we don’t have any firm evidence that Bibi is actually messianic nor does the evidence of freemasonry appear to be very firm either. If he were a freemason that would be very troubling – I am looking at texemarrs website – and I have to say I recommend against following anything that man has to say. He is preaching a false replacement theology that twists the scriptures. He went so far as to claim in one article that Obama is some kind of pawn of a jewish elite – the most vehemently anti-israel president ever. I’m not buying into that kind of nonsense.


  15. Dearest Mr. Baldy,

    I have a rough draft of an email that I have not yet completed and sent over to you. You have brought up some of the items that i wanted to discuss with you in greater detail. However, until I get it finished and sent over to you I want to chime in with my opinion on each of your 10 points.

    1) That the Book of Revelation is symbolic?

    No doubt portions of it are, but not all.

    2) That it may not be necessary for a third temple to be built?

    I agree 100%. No temple is needed, nor is spoken of in scripture. Te next temple we will see is the one Jesus has constructed in the 45 day time period, the period of time between the 1290th day and the 1,335th day before His 1000 year kingdom commences.

    3) That most of our End Time views have been based on a pre-tribulation Rapture ideology?

    Yes, the enemies deception has been very significant in this area.

    4) That there is only ONE End Time Player who will usher in Armageddon, and rule the Beast Empire, but not the entire World?

    One end time player … I agree 100%. However, he will rule the beast kingdom which in turn will rule over the entire earth with the exception of one small area east of Israel.

    Daniel 11:41
    He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

    Daniel 7:7
    After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

    Daniel 7:19
    Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

    Daniel 11:39
    Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

    Revelation 17:12
    And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

    We already know that the EU / beast kingdom, the beast that rises out of the sea in in Rev. 13:1, has already planned to divide up the world into 10 regions. The evidence is plain and clear for all to see on one of their websites. I can dig up that site address for those that may have not seen this shocking information.

    5) That the 1st Beast in the Book of Revelation is the Revived Roman Empire, and not a man?

    As you already know, I agree 100% with this understanding.

    6) That the False Prophet and Antichrist may be one and the same?

    Absolutely, which brings up a startling issue and is the primary item that I want to discuss with you. Scripture is very clear with concern to “who” the 1st beast, the kingdom, would be. Now when it comes to identifying who the human being is, aka False Prophet, Man of Sin, Man Of Lawlessness, the Antichrist is at this point in time is a much more challenging matter. His scriptural profile is not nearly as clear.

    Revelation 13:11
    (11) And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
    (12) And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
    (13) And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
    (14) And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth,

    7) That because the 1st Beast mentioned in Revelation 13 may indeed be an Empire – it is this Empire, and its system, that causes “All” to receive the Mark of the Beast – and not a man called the False Prophet?

    Yes, the beast empire, its system, however it is still clearly led by a man, the “other” beast that rises out of the land. This individual begins to be addressed in Rev 13:11 and continues below in verse 14 and following.

    Revelation 13:14-17
    (14) And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
    (15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
    (16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    (17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    8) That the “literal” Millennial Reign of Christ will be considered as one day?

    I agree 100%.

    9) That at the Return of Christ the Sheep & Goats Judgement commences – which is different than the Great White Throne Judgement?

    At the physical return to the earth of Christ Jesus, … absolutely. To me, scripture seems to be very clear on this.

    10) That there will be no End Time “markers” that are so absolute that we could actually pinpoint the day and hour of Jesus’ Return?

    I don’t agree with the beginning portion of this statement. Jesus made it very clear that there will be a marker that cannot be missed and we will know exactly where we are at when we see it, … day 1 of the 1,260 day long tribulation.

    Matthew 24:15-21
    (15) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    (16) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    (17) Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    (18) Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    (19) And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    (20) But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    (21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


  16. There are no secret consultations going on outside of the blog. Occasionally someone e-mails wickus or I something to post on the blog, or they ask our opinion (or we ask for an opinion from someone we know to have discernment or knowledge in an area) on a topic or document. I wasn’t following the five stones references either – I was assuming that hisown had some favorite scriptures that particular significance to the times we are living in. I can see from her post that she does – and I think it’s good when particular scriptures jump out from the text, from within their context to apply to our situation. I have to admit to my sis Hisown – I was very skeptical at first when I kept hearing you mention those 5 smooth stones. I see now the fruit of your diligent study and the working of the Holy Spirit pulled those specific verses out to encourage us. It’s comforting to know that God’s word always has an applications to where we find ourselves. Thank you sis!


  17. You are so welcome sus 🙂

    Shorty I will most certainly look into the link you provided my bro please hear my heart. I don’t have ” peace in my heart ” about Tex, haven’t for years. He is so anti Jewish it ain’t even funny.

    I need to say this in the open . My spirit is grieved and know that Satan has tried ( in the past ) to shut down Vic’s place. He is at it again.Can we say provocateurs?

    Ps. To the one that is giving me the ” thumb’s down” I pray that the Lord will show you what is in your heart. I promise to pray for you.


  18. I’m sorry if my typed words seemed to have a tone. And I am not implying that their is a secret room. I also came from FP. I followed Adamantine and Wickus. Since about 2007. I just enjoy the findings that are revealed here and am looking forward to the future! I will look back to the archives for the 5 stones! Thanks.


  19. Rob my beloved brother- thank-you. Also I need to clarify. These are not my favourite verses but a gift from the Holy Spirit for the time we are in. I didn’t just pull them out of my hat and have no desire to defend my conviction of the ” why” the Lord gave me these.

    I’m retracting into my prayer closet.


  20. If they are bothering you we can make the thumbs go away.. We’ll just have to make sure we find ways for believers to gather even when the enemy makes it hard (and we know from the scriptures a time will come when he will).


  21. Sorry Hisown- I didn’t mean to belittle what you had received. I do think the Holy Spirit guides us to the scriptures we will need when we will need them – and I think he did in this case with you. I don’t think you pulled them out of a hat. 😉


  22. The thumbs are now a memory on the comment screen. We still have star ratings on the main board posts for now unless Wickus us has any strong feelings about getting rid of them. I kind of don’t care, I presume I’ll say something foolish that offends or I’ll say something truthful that offends now and then and get bad ratings. In the one case – I hope the prodding of the spirit causes me to repent, in the latter I hope he prods me to stand fast.


  23. what a great place to come to be biblically edified! (and biblically challenged!) i feel like we generally do a pretty good job of trying to be clear and careful to make some point as we type. i am a terrible typer (pretty slow too) not really knowing the keyboard-dropped outta class and is now apparent i should have continued-why my punctuation is lousy and i type as just a solid block making things hard to understand maybe—but i love you folks because you bear with me!!!!!! God bless you all for that! and of course for your wonderful God given insights and encouragements and truth-telling to stick to the main thing-keeping the main thing the main thing! God’s Word is held in highest esteem here and that is paramount in my book too! without looking into eyes and hearing a voice i simply trust that the highest intention is meant unless it becomes very obvious that another spirit is what is driving correspondense(s) and perhaps i am a little slow discerning—but i’m learning! the Lord is so Good & Faithful to lead us-so trust me when i say—-carry on dear people! you are alllll much more a blessing that you know!


  24. I didn’t post a lot there. Kind of like here. Sparingly. I spoke with Herb once via e-mail. I had a question or comment for him and he was gracious to answer, and promptly i might add.


  25. I posted under Happydaddy. I still visit to view the discussion board. I see Mr. Baldy still post there among others.


  26. Hi I’ve just been reading through this thread, very interesting discussion. I don’t want to derail things but it reminded me of a query or gap in my understanding. The Jews have been gathered back to their land after being dispersed and having seen their temple destroyed. During the end times the nation of Israel goes through a terrible time and Jerusalem is even considered by God to be like Sodom and Gomorrah and seems to undergo terrible judgement until the return f Jesus/Ezekiel 38 miracle of deliverance.

    As God is gracious, just and understanding at all times and as He has gathered in a people who have wandered far from Him why does it seem that they face another time of judgement when they are gathered in by God’s hand not their own?


  27. Scott AKA

    You said ” don’t agree with the beginning portion of this statement. Jesus made it very clear that there will be a marker that cannot be missed and we will know exactly where we are at when we see it, … day 1 of the 1,260 day long tribulation”


    Just loved Bro Brian’s latest commentary today. – ” Israel Calls Up Army Reserves Due to Threats”

    We will not have to sit around twiddling our thumbs trying to figure out, are we are we not 🙂

    The soon AOD ?

    It’s great to be a child of the light is it not!


  28. agree agree agree! the Spirit bears witness-let him that has ears hear what the Lord says………..we of the light do not walk in darkness (so we can see what is coming)—proverbs 4:18 says: the path of the just is as a shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day. Jesus is the pathway—very literally—the Way the Truth and the Life.


  29. Thanks for the thumbs removal, they were not needed here at all. Glad to see them gone. Each one here, please keep earnestly contending for the faith once entrusted to the saints, this is the kind of faith I pray for daily and search the scriptures daily for.

    Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
    Jud 1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
    Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.


  30. Hello James1:12,

    You wrote and asked;
    As God is gracious, just and understanding at all times and as He has gathered in a people who have wandered far from Him why does it seem that they face another time of judgement when they are gathered in by God’s hand not their own?

    The majority of the Jewish people living in Israel have not yet repented and accepted Jesus as their sin sacrifice for the washing away of their sins. Tough times brings people to their knees and many to repentance.

    Matthew 21:42-43
    (42) Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
    (43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
    (44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

    Hosea 4:6
    My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

    Jeremiah 30:4-7
    (4) And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.
    (5) For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.
    (6) Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
    (7) Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

    Hosea 7:1-10
    (1) When I would have healed Israel, then the iniquity of Ephraim was discovered, and the wickedness of Samaria: for they commit falsehood; and the thief cometh in, and the troop of robbers spoileth without.
    (2) And they consider not in their hearts that I remember all their wickedness: now their own doings have beset them about; they are before my face.
    (3) They make the king glad with their wickedness, and the princes with their lies.
    (4) They are all adulterers, as an oven heated by the baker, who ceaseth from raising after he hath kneaded the dough, until it be leavened.
    (5) In the day of our king the princes have made him sick with bottles of wine; he stretched out his hand with scorners.
    (6) For they have made ready their heart like an oven, whiles they lie in wait: their baker sleepeth all the night; in the morning it burneth as a flaming fire.
    (7) They are all hot as an oven, and have devoured their judges; all their kings are fallen: there is none among them that calleth unto me.
    (8) Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned.
    (9) Strangers have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not: yea, gray hairs are here and there upon him, yet he knoweth not.
    (10) And the pride of Israel testifieth to his face: and they do not return to the LORD their God, nor seek him for all this.

    Jeremiah 17:23
    But they obeyed not, neither inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff, that they might not hear, nor receive instruction.

    Joel 2:30-32
    (30) And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
    (31) The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
    (32) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

    Romans 9:27
    Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

    Zechariah 12:10
    And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

    Revelation 1:13
    And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.


  31. I marvel at the beautiful plan that God has for Israel, and the days he has in store for us. Thank you for answering this so plainly and clearly with the word, Scott.

    If we are troubled about anything, it should be about how the short a time we have left to share the reason for our hope in Christ with those he puts in front of us. I go to work every day with so many that are lost, and drive on the roads and walk through the stores so many that are fearful but don’t know why. When all the news is bad – we rejoice because we know it means our bridegroom draws near. I am really burdened to be bolder in sharing Christ’s love in more obvious and honest ways, and for telling people why I’m not wracked with fear and uncertainty.

    We know that the enemy can’t harm us in any way that’s meaningful – but because we serve Christ whom he hates, we know he’ll be after every one of us lest we open our mouths that someone else could hear the truth and be saved by placing their trust in Christ. I am so thankful for my family, my local church and the fellowship we have here. I really think the days are coming where we are going to need to be digging in to put our full weight on Christ and to be encouraging each other to stand fast in him.

    My daily prayer when I start my day is that he’ll give me an opportunity to share about him with someone. So far this week is off to a slow start, but I don’t think it will be long, since when I’ve asked that before it’s amazing the situations he’s put me in.


  32. Hi Scott, thanks for your reply, I suppose what I’m trying to articulate is that the sequence of events – Israel judged, removed from land, don’t repent, returned to land, don’t repent and judged again – the second judgment seems odd, did God expect them to repent when Israel was restored even though nothing spiritual had changed for them?


  33. Since we know that this:

    Make the heart of this people dull, and their ears heavy, and blind their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.”
    (Isaiah 6:10 ESV)

    Refers to Israel as the Lord pointed out in John 12:36-43

    It makes sense then that in reference to the blind – this would also apply to Israel. Could he not lead them back into the land though they are yet blind?

    And I will lead the blindin a way that they do not know,in paths that they have not known I will guide them. I will turn the darkness before them into light,the rough places into level ground. These are the things I do, and I do not forsake them.
    (Isaiah 42:16 ESV)

    James, I was thinking the other day – when are the times when I have given up myself the most and leaned in to trust in the Lord the most? They were the times of my greatest trouble. I don’t know that the time of Jacob’s trouble is necessarily a judgement on them as much as it is a trial that he allows for them to come to him. I could be wrong, I need to go pray and study a bit more, but I didn’t want to wait much longer to toss that idea out there.


  34. Hi Scott (Born to Watch; aka Imightdecrease),

    As you know I love input from you – as well as others of course, but you have a special place in my heart, as we share common thoughts concerning the End Times.

    I do want to be clear when I mentioned that there will be no “absolute” End Time markers that are ” so clear” that it will pinpoint the Day Christ Returns. ( I mentioned this in the form of the question that I asked – posted above).

    As you and I agree, Day 1 of the 1.260 days will commence at the A0D. However, this will not be “so clear” and so obvious to those who are Watching, in that it will pinpoint the Day Christ Returns. (No one knows the Day or the Hour) There will be some that will recognize the A0D – most won’t. Even now there is debate in the Christian World as to what the A0D actually is; whether or not there will be a 3rd Temple, and how the coming Antichrist relates to them both. I have to be very candid and say that even if the Jews, and/or those who reside in Judea were to flee to the Mountains today because they actually witnessed the prophesied A0D – there will be those among us who would be in debate about whether or not it actually happened. So now the question would be….so then, what shall be our sign?

    This next question is not a new question, as the Disciples asked Jesus this very question concerning His Return. I posed the aforementioned 10 questions to solicit open responses – even if we don’t have the correct answers, so that communication lines may open, that the Body of Christ is edified. Understanding then develops, so that what is unknown to the unbelieving world, may be known to us.

    Will we who are watching recognize the A0D – OR only those who reside in Israel? Will there be a World Wide announcement that this event has occurred? Or will it be some sort of televised announcement that hundreds of thousands of Jews have fled to the Mountains? Will their escape be prior to any persecution – or will the persecution have already begun?

    You see, when the Disciples had questioned Jesus concerning His Return – they asked in the form of 3 different questions:

    1) When will these things be?
    2) What will be the sign of your coming?
    3) What will be the end of the age?

    Jesus answers them all, but the first thing He mentions is a warning in response to their questions. Jesus says: “Take heed that on one deceives you.” Matthew 24:4

    DECEPTION is everywhere now, and it is so bad, that many don’t even realize that they are being deceived, and living deceptive lives.

    In closing Scott, one very special reason why I believe that you and I agree on the fact that the A0D begins Day 1 of the 1,260 days is that the Disciples don’t ask Jesus when the End of the World comes – but they ask: “What will be the end of the age?”. There is a huge difference between the End of the World – and the End of the Age (this age to be precise). This factors in into the Millennial Reign, the time that Satan is let loose from prison, and the Great White Throne Judgement, all the way until the Enternal State spoken of in Revelation 2. The A0D is an important sign to look for – if we who are Watching can recognize it. I think that it is important to establish what the A0D actually is, and in coming to an understanding on that – it will most certainly help us to understand where we are prophetically.



  35. Too bad this site doesn’t allow for errors to be corrected (lol) I meant to say in my response, concerning the “Eternal State”, that it is mentioned in Revelation 21. (Not Revelation 2)


  36. Thanks Justasheep, good thought. Where we place Israel in relationship to God during the end times also affects how we see their leadership, anti-Christ or Messianic. It’s well worth watching.
    p.s I couldnt work out hot to directly reply to your post – not too familiar with this discussion board!


  37. After reading a passage in a study (F.B Meyer) on Exodus I am reminded of the phrase “Fr
    or His Name’s Sake” . In the study he writes:

    “For His Holy Name’s Sake” JEHOVAH’S OBLIGATION TO HIMSELF. In a very illuminating chapter, Ezekiel unveils a principle of divine providence, which had characterised the successive epochs of Hebrew history. Four times over we are told, He wrought for His holy Name’s sake, that it should not be profaned among the nations. Often and again He must have cast the chosen people aside, if His action had been simply determined by their merits; but other considerations prevailed. His name and character were so intimately wrapt up in the fortunes of His people that He could not abandon them to the full consequence of their sins…..”

    And the author goes on. I think this is a sound explanation of how God deals with His people and in their sin can cry out to the Father that He should act for His Name’s sake.

    Perhaps this is the coming cry of Israel before Christ is revealed to them.


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