To recap, in the other posts I have tried to proof from Scripture that the Eze 38/39 battle can not happen before the AoD as Ezekiel states clearly that after the Lord destroyed the armies of Gog, the whole of Israel will know that He is God and He will not hide His face from them anymore. We know that will happen only when Jesus returns and Israel sees Him whom they have pierced and mourn over Him. When this happens friends, Israel will never have to flee again as they were warned by Jesus in the Gospels.
One thing the Lord showed me is that the traditional “Left Behind / Pre-Trib” view of end time prophecy is full of possible flaws. Now by saying that I am not implying that I have all the answers. I learn daily and has been proven wrong many times. So read what I have to say, eat the meat, spit out the bones and tell me about those bones.
I am going to ask you a question: When will Jesus return in physical form? (Not the rapture)
99% will say that He will return at Armageddon kill the armies, touch down on the mount of Olives and start the sheep/goat judgment. How accurate is this view? Lets look at some Scripture:
Rev 6:12-14 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places
Rev 6:15-17 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
This happens when the 6th seal is opened and I believe with it, the rapture. Now what do we read in these verses? Does it sound like the people does not have a clue on what is happening? No my friends, they know exactly what happened. They are fleeing and hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. They know Jesus has come for His Church.
Now lets take this a little further:
Eze 38:19-20 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
Eze 38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
Do you see the similarities between these two events? Great earthquakes, mountains moving, wrath of God/The Lamb. And the most fascinating one for me; ALL the men on the face of the earth will shake at His presence, at Magog and at the 6th seal.
Now the more I look at this and study it, the more likely it is for me that the Lord Jesus will return at the opening of the 6th seal in physical form, destroy Israels enemies (Islam) at the Gog war and fulfill Eze 38/39, Rev 6:12-17. The world will know, acknowledge and flee from His wrath, and that includes the antichrist. I fail to see any Scripture that says Jesus can not be physically in Jerusalem when He pours out His wrath on this world.
The wrath of God is gonna last for an unknown period, maybe only 30 days. I believe this is were the human race will perform their greatest sin. They will know that the Lamb of God is in Jerusalem. Most of them would have probably seen Him, they will know judgment is coming, angels would have warned them, but STILL they will not repent. And then comes Armageddon:
Psa 2:1-5 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. (9) Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
These Scriptures indicate that the antichrist and the kings of the earth will plan to march up towards Israel to make war with the Lamb. They will know He is there. Armageddon will be a battle between the rulers and Jesus and in their anger and rage they will think that they will be able to kill Jesus. It may sound foolish, but they will most probably think that they can nuke Him with His plagues from the earth.
And now for the final point; Joel talks about the dreadful day of the Lord, a terrible battle. Most (including myself) always read it as the battle of Armageddon. But no, it is not. See the following:
Joe 3:1-2 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
Did you see it? Were will this battle against the nations be? Aha, the valley of Jehoshaphat! The valley of Jehoshaphat is on the eastern side of Jerusalem, next to the mount of Olives and the valley of Meggido are miles op north from Jerusalem.
So in conclusion, I believe Joel is talking about the Gog/Magog battle. That battle will be won by the Lord Jesus in the valley of Jehoshaphat. Jesus will stay in Israel with His covenant people who will mourn over Him. He will restore them and so the whole of Israel shall be saved. The world will know what happened and will know that the Lord is God. There is no secret rapture and a physical Jesus will fight Gog in full view of the world.