Stopping of sacrifice and the AoD

Bro Mat has been doing some digging on FP’s discussion board archive and we had some good discussions today on his findings. One of those were on the stopping of sacrifice. This was posted on May 24 2010:

Re: ENP(I) Theory Holes
by Wickus on Mon May 24, 2010 10:57 am

Some thoughts on the stopping of sacrifice in the middle of the week:

It is a fact that blood sacrifice has not been offered in Israel for 2000 years. It is a fact that Jesus was the final blood sacrifice offered. It is a fact that the prayers and service to God as His children is a sacrifice on to Him.

It is a fact that the Bible does not call for temple or blood sacrifices to be reinstated in the end times. It is a fact that these type of sacrifice will be an abomination to the Lord.

It is also a fact that the Bible says sacrifice will be stopped in the middle of the 70th week.

Now how do we make sense of all these facts?

Here is my little theory, and it can be flawed. I will say that daily sacrifice by the Jews was never meant to be reinstated and never will. When the AoD happens, any hope that the Jews had of reinstating sacrifices will vanish like mist in the sun. He (the AC) will stop any hope of sacrifice that they ever had. Jesus said that when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you know that its desolation is near. I still see the AoD as something to do with Jerusalem being surrounded by armies like NATO (as we currently see in the news). What will trigger the fleeing of the Jews still has to be seen, but whatever triggers it will also stop all hope of sacrifice. This will spread worldwide to us Christians as we will be forced not to sacrifice prayers to our Lord.

Like I said this is my little theory, and I do not claim it to be correct.

Then we started to discuss the type of sacrifice that will be taken away. Daniel 8, 11 and 12 talks about the “daily” being taken away and it is only Dan 9:27 that mentions a blood sacrifice. In Dan 8, 11 and 12 the word “sacrifice” is not even mentioned in the original text, but was added by the translators.  E-Sword with KJV+ and Strongs will show it.Now clearly a blood sacrifice was not a daily occurrence, but there were other “daily” sacrifices.

Re: ENP(I) Theory Holes
by watching on Mon May 24, 2010 7:13 am

Daniel 8, Daniel 11, and Daniel 12 speak of a “daily” [something] being taken away. The word [sacrifice] was added in by the translators.

Theoretically, this could apply to the daily bloodless sacrifice of prayers being made at the wailing wall, or the daily bloodless sacrifice of prayers, or the partaking of the Eucharist, being done in Christian churches throughout the world, or any other kind of worship. (Remember, I said theoretically.)

And this theoretically can be done, by whomever the AC might be, at anytime, without the need for a temple or animal sacrifices to be resumed.

However, Daniel 9 speaks of an actual blood* sacrifice (correction: I only said blood because it involves the slaying of an animal, not that the blood was presented as a sacrifice. Just wanted to make that clear.) and it is the only reference out of the four which is not preceded by the word tamyid (daily), for one to make the inference that this is speaking of the daily burnt offerings, which were offered once in the morning and once in the evening. So, the implication is that this is referring to another type of sacrifice, such as the annual Passover sacrifice, just as the definition implies, as well.

Besides that, Daniel 12:11 says,

Dan 12:11

And from the time 6256 [that] the daily 8548 [sacrifice] shall be taken away 5493 , and the abomination 8251 that maketh desolate 8074 set up 5414 , [there shall be] a thousand 505 two hundred 3967 and ninety 8673 days 3117
So, it’s already too late to try to fit this into the ENPi timeframe, because from the way I’m understanding this verse, the daily [sacrifice] would have either had to be taken away 30 days prior to the AOD, or 1,290 days prior to the AOD………unless, of course, there is some other way to understand this verse that I am not aware of.

Now if this is correct, do we need a temple and a stopping of a blood sacrifice or will a law stopping the Jews to pray at the wailing wall be all we need to fulfill prophecy.

And will the Global march to Jerusalem have anything to do with this?

Luk 21:20  And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Armies: G4760
From the base of G4756 and the same as G3977; a camping ground, that is, (by implication) a body of troops: – army.



62 thoughts on “Stopping of sacrifice and the AoD

  1. thanks for this vic. all this conjers up many of the same thoughts in my mind that we may have something very significant to watch in the gmj people. the battlefront is forming on the ground of public (worldwide) opinion as well as rumors of war ready to become actual war. all the jew has at this point of history (on the spiritual side of things is their praying at the wailing wall—and if that is taken away too and they are being stopped to inhabit (freezing settlements)-physical ownership of their land-well what else is there??? wow is all i can say……..


  2. What if…
    The first 3 and 1/2 years of the 70th week took place during the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad when “no stone was left unturned”.

    Notice how in the verses prior to Matthew chapter 24 Jesus says “Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. O Jerusalem, O Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets….Behold your house is left unto you desolate..”

    The prophecies overlap. Some verses apply to both periods, ie: the armies surrounding Jerusalem, fleeing into the wilderness and some do not, ie: the sacrifices taken away.

    Interesting to note that the 70ad seige began, not with immediate war, but with the surrounding of Jerusalem with the army, letting Pilgrims go in to celebrate Passover but not letting them come out, putting pressure on the food/water supply. They were somewhat “camping”. The full destruction was not complete until “September 7th” according to some sites, thus fulfilling the “when you see the armies surrounding Jerusalem, know that the desolation is near”.

    Thoughts anyone? Or does this seem too far fetched?


  3. thanks for that bit of history looking4acity. i did not know that info about the seige before 70ad. maybe a parallel to our times? also i notice that the global march to jerusalem is really not getting talked about in the news-anywhere-unless i’m just missing it. i had to go to the website to find out anything about it. (under-reported for a reason? and the timing of this thing is making me very curious)


  4. it seems somehow they are all related.. it is amazing no one else discusses this, not here in Holland anyway.. it is all traditional teaching here, nobody seems to look beyond what the “preachers” are saying.. (but that makes it also hard to discuss out here).
    Well, I don’t have a clear answer on this one.. but I would say the daily bloodless sacrifice of prayers als a result of the AOD seems to me a good match..


  5. Looking4acity,

    I e-mailed Wickus March 18th with the exact same questions and asked him to post these as I’m currently traveling and was having difficulty in posting.

    Vic would you please copy/paste that e-mail for discussion here ?

    Looking4acity, I would love to expound on this 🙂


  6. I do not see how Jesus fulfilled the prophecy since sacrifices continued for another 40 years or so after his death. The sacrifices did not cease.


  7. true agie95 (for a time). but it is noteworthy as you know that that the veil was torn-thank You Jesus! a Finished Sacrifice-a breach the priests could not hide-exposing the mercy seat was gone-had been gone since the days of jeremiah the prophet when the exile happened-so they basically stitched the veil back together (a picture of the flesh attempting to to do the work of God-which it can’t) and wanted to pretend they (religion) could carry on-and they did until the nation and temple was ruined in 70ad-the dispora i think it is called. it sure looks like the same type scenario today. the “pretend” church is trying to do God’s work today and we can see the resulting apostacy. and they are the ones who would be overtaken when the ac came back then and it looks basically the same as it is happening today as the ac is being prepared to take the helm in our time. i think this parallel is important because it pictures something today–the jews were left with only the torah and prayer until now. their only “form” of “sacrifice” and it is under threat & also peta and the world court want to prevent kosher sacrifice too you notice-even though they are back in the land (with the awaiting fulfillment when they will know Him Who was pierced–received wounds-in the house of His friends zech 13:6—where the King of Glory died at the dump outside the city of jerusalem. (what a price He paid amen?)—–all is waiting to basically take up where it left off in that the jews want to restore their religion and their nation among the nations. we know the way God will intervene for them will finally open their eyes to Him Who is their Salvation.————– it was like there was a huge pause button that was hit and needs to be reset for the nation of israel in it’s national and spiritual life——–meanwhile God is still in the saving business–His age of Grace to jealous the jews and save us gentiles–Praise God!–using all these current happenings-as strong birth pangs-to wake up the entire world to His Gracious Forgiveness. the more men are allowed to rule themselves {{{the restraining-Spirit is/will be-being taken away}}} and unable we are and always were unable)……..the more this whole thing rots to the point of no return–iT is becoming the very Invitation for God to step in to take this mess back to rule as it’s true King.—this is all left hanging so to speak that Jesus may come to finally fulfill all the covenants/promises–and bless His name—He will!!! that’s my King! He alone is Worthy to be worshiped. no ifs ands or buts! anyway this is what i’m gathering from this whole discussion of how the 70th week and the sacrifice fits in and it’s timing but i am open to hear from all of you to know more (and much better) what is before us. we know God will teach us all we need to know as we watch Him fulfill His Word. love to you all who are His Body! (sorry for long post as i got carried away!)


  8. Off topic – Wicked Jezebel (who claims to be a Christian) in the office here just announced that she had a missed call on her cell phone from 706-666-6666. 706 is our area code here. I just called that number and its not a valid number.


  9. Kinda funny to think that a preterist may be “half” right afterall 🙂

    And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what building are here! And Jesus answering said unto him, See thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. and as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? Mark 13:1-4

    The Temple was destroyed on the 9th of Av, exactly 700 years to the day that the Babylonians destroyed the first temple.

    That’s just amazing. The more I think about this the more it looks like a double prophecy of the 70th week.


  10. Comment by HisOwn:
    Totally understand Mr Shorty 🙂

    I’m currently travelling (a blessing of being able to study and choosing not to have in-flight internet access) . I’ve been jotting down a few thoughts and would love to share these.

    Asking – self :)- Re Daniel 9.

    What was the condition of Daniels heart that caused the angel to call him- “thou art greatly beloved”. The answer was key to the Lord answering his prayer and supplications 🙂 His prayer is one of agony, humility, brokenness over sin and repentance.( no regarding sin in his heart ) one who is poor and of a contrite spirit that TREMBLETH at His word- Isaiah 66 🙂

    Daniel prayed from verse thee to twenty two and was asked to CONSIDER the ‘VISION”. Is this VISION that he was asked to consider a SEPARATE event from the word of the Lord to Jeremiah in verse 2 – ” the 70 years accomplished in the desolations of Jeremiah? Daniel understood the ( number of years -destruction of past fulfilment in 70 AD) , then is given an understanding of a FUTURE event and prophecy. After his prayer he receives his answer- “CONSIDER the vision”- a FUTURE understanding for the APPOINTED time that would be SEALED UNTIL the END.It is here in verse 23 that seems to be the “key to the mystery” . Verse 23- future- verse 24 past prophecy.

    Is the vision the FUTURE AOD EVENT of – Luke 21: 20. Mark 13:14.Matt 24: 15 and last but not least Habakkuk 2 v 3. The Surrounding of Jerusalem and those fleeing to the mountains ?

    Also digging deeper into the covenant – This is MY BLOOD of the new testament , which is shed for many for the remission of sins – Isaiah 42: 5-7. Matthew 26: 28.

    Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

    Please forgive the rambling – must be the cabin air 🙂


  11. When humans think of prophecy and the word of God they tend to associate it with their generation. If you read scripture and the letters of the apostles, there was always this urgency that the FINAL hour is here.

    1 John 2:18-19 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

    Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

    Prophecies are repeating themselves but with different characters in different places and different times.

    What conclusion could one make from this?
    Is this the final hour?
    Or will this world continue forever in the final hour in an endless loop?
    Is it true that history repeats itself, where humanity comes to the brink only to be given a new life line to continue for another time, time and half a time?

    One thing is certain that the Word of God is a repeating prophecy that is being returned fulfilled evey single time.

    When Jerusalem was ransacked in 68AD this event would have been something that the known world would have been talking about, would they have not?

    Just think of September 911 multiplied by 100 fold in terms of a major, major event. For the Jews the temple was all they had, and even though they were away from the temple when they prayed in another country, they always faced the temple in doing so.

    Who is this John and what is the final hour he is referring to?

    Since the disciples of Jesus would definitely have documented this major even, but they didn’t and that leaves only one conclusion that they had already passed away.

    Now Jesus told John to take care of Mary his mother, why?

    Because Jesus knew that John would out live all the disciples and so it is coming to ahead that the John that mentioned the last hour could have been the very disciple that Jesus told to take care of his mother Mary. After the siege it looks also likely that John was exiled on the island of Patmos after the Romans marched in.

    Could this very verse that is only found in 1 John 2:18 alluding to the final hour be the Antichrist roman empire encircling Jerusalem and hence th cryptic message that
    “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us”.

    So that leaves the us the current world, who are we?
    Are we the remnant of the enemy?
    Or the remnant of God (the symbolic 144,000)?

    If we are, then we are definitely in THAT final hour coinciding with the grand entry of His Holiness and Majesty Jesus Christ.


  12. I was not aware that the Jews prayed facing the direction of the temple no matter where they were at. I know that the muslims do this. Also, there are some specific prophecies that have never yet been fulfilled in history for the last days and I think we are fast approaching those being fulfilled. Just my humble opinion.


  13. Hi Agie95,
    i thought I could jump in and answer this for ya. This question has come up many times and the answer is very simple……two key words to remember from Dan. 9:26 and 27.

    they are the words “AFTER” in verse 26, and “MIDST” in 27.

    Christ to be “cut off” AFTER the 69th week puts His death IN the “MIDST” of the 70th week.
    And the sacrifice did “cease” technically/spiritually when the vail in the temple was rent.
    The sacrifice literally “ceased” during the 70 AD desolation.
    We are NOW STILL…IMO…IN the “MIDST” of the 70th week, so the prophecy of blood sacrifice ceasing DID find fulfillment spiritually AND literally in the “MIDST” of the week, just as the text says.


  14. Ok, i just asked her to show me this on her phone and it’s indeed on there…just sayin’

    Arrogant, prideful, narcissism, leviathon twisted serpent


  15. does seem like there are multiple layers of prophecies unfolding doesn’t it? i have been thinking this way myself for a while now. there is reason to think that we are on track—all of us who are truly watching without an agenda (sticking to what the Bible says)—that we have large parts of this understood and will see the further fulfillments of Scripture incorporating all the timing of these different aspects fitting them perfectly. i personally am not concerned if i’m getting some things wrong in some of these details but am most concerned that my heart keeps the focus on Jesus to remain under His Call upon my life–praying for His Wisdom and Strength to obey and follow Him. if i will daily surrender-allowing Him to keep me humble-i know i can trust that i am hearing from Him. His Spirit is promised to us to illumine His Path before us…..Gods’ Word is amazing!!!


  16. Vic,

    Again, thank you for posting about the A0D. The more and more I pray, read, and study, I am convinced that the 70th week starts at the A0D.


  17. Stan you said ” So that leaves the us the current world, who are we?
    Are we the remnant of the enemy?
    Or the remnant of God (the symbolic 144,000)?

    If we are, then we are definitely in THAT final hour coinciding with the grand entry of His Holiness and Majesty Jesus Christ.”

    Please do clarify .

    Am I understanding that you claim that the USA may be the 144000?

    Are you stating there is no ( one man) anti christ?

    Just to clear up any misunderstanding is this not a preterist teaching?


  18. Mathieu,

    I did receive your response at my old email address. Sorry I did not reply to you, as I have been attempting to convert all of my studies concerning my bible prophecy on one email, and all of my business transactions on another.

    In our personal emails concerning those of us who have tried to look at the whole 70th week advent on a different perspective, I can say that the timeline has already been presented. But just in case you may not have gotten it, let me relay it again.

    The most important “road sign” as it relates to End Time events that is provided, is spoken from none other than the Creator Himself – that being Jesus Christ. Jesus mentions the A0D. He further references this event as being spoken of by the Prophet Daniel – and that it requires understanding. The Prophet Daniel first mentions that a period of 70 weeks have been determined – and the purpose of this number of weeks will have fulfilled certain requirements. Daniel further mentions that a Covenant with Many will be confirmed for a period of 7 years – or a week may or may not have been completed by the same time frame of the 70 that have been determined. However, Daniel does note, that the daily sacrifices will cease by the one who confirms it; and that the from the time that the daily sacrifices are ceased – which will be in the “midst” of the confirmed covenant – and the A0D there will be 1,290 days. There is a subsequent “blessing” for those who reach the 1,335th day.

    The aforementioned things are what the Prophet Daniel has mentioned that will happen, as it relates to the A0D and End Time events that shall occur as part of the 70 weeks that have been decreed. Now there have been those who have attempted to understand this prophecy – to include myself, and I have yet to understand it, so I may be very wrong in my understanding.

    Let me now say that there have been those who want to say that only 3.5 years remain, and Christ has fulfilled a previous portion of 3.5 years based on their interpretation of Daniel 9:26 – in that He came after the 69 weeks, and His ministry lasted for 3.5 years, so therefore He actually went into the 70th week, and was “cut off” at His crucifixion. So therefore, according to their interpretation, a final time period of 3.5 years remain. They further attempt to say that there is no justification for a so-called “gap” between the 69th and 70th week – but yet, they say that there is justification for the current “gap” in that God stopped time in order that the fulness of the Gentiles come in – or that the current Church Age will have accomplished God’s mission to get the Jews attention, in that they rejected Christ, and the Gentiles will have been allowed to come in. Well, I don’t buy that theory. It’s plausible, I guess…but I just can’t find any Scriptural evidence to support the fact that Christ actually went into the 70th week – and I further believe that this “may be” a poor interpretation of Daniel 9:24-26.

    Now for my explanation:

    I believe that the 69th week ended at the death and resurrection of Christ. Meaning that this 69th week had started, and was not complete until His death and resurrection. This is my interpretation of Daniel 9:24-26. I further believe that the reason why Christ Himself pointed to the A0D is that it is what will START the 70th week. At the A0D the church will be protected for 1,260 days – to include a point in time in which GREAT tribulation will commence, and will reach it’s fruition at day 1,290. Between day 1, 290 and 1,335 the Rapture will have occurred at some unknown date, and time, and the Return of Christ will have come just after the days of GREAT tribulation,and the “SIGN” is given in the Heavens. Christ will have stopped the Armageddon war, and the Sheep and Goats Judgement will commence at some point after His Glorious Return. At this time the Day of the Lord has already occurred, and Time as we know it will be measured as “one day” Altough this will be consider as “one day” it will be a literal thousand day period, and Satan will be bound. As the Millennial Kingdom ensues, those who have been allowed to enter the Millennial Kingdom in mortal bodies, will be allowed to marry and repopulate the Earth. A mandate will have been set to come to Jerusalem once a year to Worship King Jesus, as knowledge of His Gospel will have been preached throughout the entire World. Those who fail to worship Him – as there will be rebellion, and even death for those who are in moral bodies – they will receive no rain for the crops that they plant, and the vineyards that they grow. This will cause further rebellion of the acknowledgement of Christ – even though He will be declared King of kings and Lord of lords; however, this will also show God’s Sovereignty, in that He will still allow choice. At the end of His Reign, there will be those who will have been born during this time period, that will be deceived by Satan, as he will be let loose from his prison. Satan will deceive those nations of the mortals who have been born, and fire will come down from heaven and devour all those who appose Christ, and His Kingdom. The purpose of His Reign will have finally been completed, as Death will have finally been destroyed. The Great White Throne Judgement will then occur, when Death and Hell are delivered up, and will finally be cast into the Lake of Fire once and for all. This is when ALL will have been FINISHED. Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior will then hand the Kingdom back over to God the Father, so that God may be ALL in ALL.

    This in my very humble opinion will complete the 70 weeks that have been determined.


  19. Mr Baldy
    In my instruction and teaching from God the Holy Spirit I focus on Jesus Christ and test everything that manifests in this world by His goodness and righteousness.
    So I’m not interested or focused on the Antichrist or whether he will materialize as a person or not, or if it in infact it is a wicked spirit working in the world through children of disobedience (sons of perdition).

    My reasoning is this:

    I will give you a real life example about counterfeit money. Because there are so many variations of counterfeit money in circulation, detectives DO NOT go studying every single counterfeit note out there in the world, no, no, no. This task would make it virtually impossible and impractical given the limited resources and time for such a venture. What detectives are trained on is on the REAL MONEY and understanding every detail about it. So that they use the REAL currency as a benchmark to test every counterfeit note out there in circulation.

    So why have I given you this real life example?

    I realize that Christians are being taught and trained to WATCH out for the antichrist and the Mark of the Beast which like counterfeit money can come in myriads of different variations. For example the application of the Mark of the Beast can be applied in myriads of different forms and in its basic fundamental understanding of what it will represent still comes down to the same common denominator no matter how it is applied, it will still be the Mark of rhe Beast. As in th case of the Antichrist there is no definitive conclusive proof that the Antichrist is a person and that he will come at an appointed time. Why I say this is simple because John said that many Antichrists were already in his time. So the plural of this word Antichrist can only be understood if it is a spirit that works miracles and wonders by deceit and lies. It is not conclusive evidence to say that the one Antichrist will come when in fact there are already many Antichrists here, regardless of whether a singular Antichrist will be elected from a large number of Antichrists defeats the purpose and intended meaning if scripture to place snmuch importance on a literal singular person.

    Another analogy is the characteristics of light is both wave and particles. Now compare wave to that of a spirit and the particles to unique singular individuals. So in reality emphasis is not placed on one single particle of light that consists of many particles, just like as John mentioned there were many Antichrists in his time. So the source ofne light still becomes the wave that ionizes particles around it, similar to the Antichrist spirit that is a spirit and drafts many as indicated by particles/individuals into its purpose to manifest the same fruits.

    So knowing that fruits manifest from such an evil spirit, and so we must look and focus on Jesus Christ and compare every works of men to that of Jesus ‘s standard. Similar to why agents compare the counterfeit money to the REAL money, otherwise they would be lost and sooner or later they will find themselves comparing counterfeits with counterfeits and so game over.

    Simple answer is if you loose sight of Jesus Christ and start focusing on Antichrist or mark of the beast then you are in danger in losing your testing reference. Jesus said you shall know them by their works. Well you have to compare their works to Jesus,s standards and not the world.


  20. Let me put another spin to this hypothesis of not having the correct reference by loosing your focus on the real Jesus of the Bible and focusing on the detailled specifics of the Antichrist.
    Imagine for one moment Taft everything that MrBaldy said is true. If we anticipate an Antichrist to reign for seven years or what ever in Jerusalem in the Holy temple, then what comes naturally after the Antichrist must be the real Jesus, right?
    If we are comparing an evil man that is to stand in the rebuilt temple and proclaim himself as God as the benchmark to starting points of the 70th week then we are assuming that the one coming after him is the real Jesus, right?
    We have excluded all the specific details of the identity of the real Jesus of the Bible to that of a 70th week that is up in the air as far as theologians agreeing on any definates with relation to scriptural evidence. Relying on human suppositions relating the real Jesus to the guessing of the timing of events to that of the 70th week is preposterous, as one can see that there is no guarantee that the Antichrist may send his double (decoy) before he comes on the seen. By the way did not Saddam have many doubles. So if the devil already knows that the world is expecting the Antichrist first, what do you think he will give you?

    That’s right he will give you what you want a decoy Antichrist who is setup for the fall and then he comes on the seen. Ah ha well if a mere mortal or even better Saddam thought of that do you not think that the Antichrist will play you.

    I look to scripture for knowing the real Jesus and so should all Christians. If there is one thing that I strongly disagree with MrBaldy is this one basic error that he has made, it is as follows:

    Quote: As the Millennial Kingdom ensues, those who have been allowed to enter the Millennial Kingdom in mortal bodies, will be allowed to marry and repopulate the Earth.

    Matthew 22:23-32
    The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. And last of all the woman died also. Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

    Jesus was ressurected as our forerunner and said follow me. All the disciples, apostles and men of God were martyred for the sake of the gospel because they knew that they were going to be resurrected like their Lord. Even Abraham who already counted Isaac dead in his heart knew that if he did sacrifice him, God will raise him up.

    The sadducees were told that they were in error that in the ressurection there is no marriage because they will be as angels to the Lord.

    Jesus is not going to have half resurrected people with immortal bodies and say half who are dying in their mortal bodies, come on think people.

    God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

    So anyone that comes to Christ Jesus must be ressurected for that is what scripture states:

    Matthew 22:11-14
    And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.

    Notice here the resurrection wedding garments are a MUST! Otherwise you do not come to Christ Jesus.

    Lastly in Romans 8:7-11
    Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    So flesh cannot please God and the only hope to go where Christ Jesus went is to be resurrected from the dead to immortal spiritual bodies, the same that Christ Jesus was resurrected in.

    As a final conclusion it would be safe for any Christian to consider what scripture is saying, that is, ANY GROUND BASED Millennium kingdom and add to that NO RESURRECTION is an Antichrist Utopian earthly reign of premisquas peace and safety, but it shall fail because the Spirit of God will be against this Antichrist reign on earth.

    That is why the apostles were clear to stipulate the following:

    1 Corinthians 15:50-57
    Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

    1 Thessalonians 4:17
    Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    The word for AIR is SKY, well MrBaldy good try but you may need to rethink your whole theology because there is NO EARTHLY REIGN, unless offcourse Hitler assumes the position of Jesus, but this time he wants to come and save th Jews so that they will believe the lie that the messiah has come. How terrible a deception, I guess that is why there is another Antichrist movement saying follow Jesus but do not go to church or do not read the Bible, just ask Jesus. Well just like counterfeit money you don’t know who the real Jesus is unless you obey His Word. You certainly cannot come to Jesus in your rotten stinking dying suites. That leaves another option for the Antichrist spirit is to say you will be resurrected as robots, oh well we see how the pop cult is pushing this type of cybernetic agenda as part of the utopian reign. Can you imagine having robots running around programmed to serve Hitler on earth. No Thankyou the battle lines are drawn, anything ground is enemy, and will be treated as such by the Saints of God, which is why God will spoil their plans by giving global Babylon a fist of his fury from the heaven. Fallen is Babylon, fallen!


  21. Well, well, well………

    Now Mr Stan, let me do address some of the very erroneous points that you make; in that you do indeed err in NOT knowing the Scriptures, and/or the interpretation thereof.

    First of all you contradict yourself in that you provide 1 John 2:18-19, in mentioning the coming Antichrist – but imply that his coming is something spiritual, or may not “materialize as a person”. I think that perhaps you should read 1 John 2:18 again – as John first mentions a very singular person that “will come” and he further qualifies his statement by indicating that “many antichrists have come”.

    You go on to state that: ” It is not conclusive evidence to say that the one Antichrist will come” . Well apparently Stan, you haven’t been reading Scripture very well. I need only refer you to 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8 – which is CLEAR evidence that a future man of lawlessness will come. Not only that this same future man of lawlessness; AKA: (Antichrist) absolutely will precede the EARTHLY coming of Christ, and he must remain hidden until his appointed time.

    So you may not be interested for focused on the coming Antichrist – as you state – but you had better recognize that he has an appointed time in which he will be revealed, and his coming will precede the return of Christ – or you will be deceived. Why would the Disciple John warn of his coming, follow it up in his mentioning him again in his writing in the Book of Revelation; and the Apostle Paul comment to the Thessalonians that the return of Christ had not occurred – and qualify this by mentioning that “our gathering together with Him” will occur AFTER the rebellion comes and the man of lawlessness is revealed. I don’t know what bible you are reading, or who has taught you – but Paul is quite clear in warning the Thessalonians about not being deceived concerning the coming of Christ.

    You have further convoluted, and/or misinterpreted what the resurrection is as it relates to the return of Christ and His Millennial Reign on Earth. Stan let’s do be clear about one thing. Christ WILL Return to Earth. In a very visible and Bodily way.(Acts 1:11) His purpose in returning will be to rule with a rod of iron (Revelation 12:5) and Zechariah 14:4 further describes that at His Return the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west. In Matthew 24:31-46, we have a description that at His Coming the nations will be gathered, and He will separate the Sheep from the Goats.

    Before I get too ahead of myself, the Rapture will have occurred prior to the Earth Return of Christ – so therefore the Body of Christ will be with Him. They will not be the one’s who repopulate the Earth, as they will be as the angels of Heaven, and will not have the ability to reproduce. This is where you have not understood Scripture, and have somehow gotten it mixed up with the different resurrections and Rapture (timing), as it relates to Return of Christ.

    At His Coming, to the Earth there will be those who have survived the tribulation period, and are in mortal bodies. At the Sheep and Goats Judgement – which is very different from the Great White Throne Judgement, you have one taken, and the other left. Well, the one who is taken, is the one who will have been taken away to eternal punishment, by being sentenced to Hades, where they are tormented, and the worm dieth not Those who have previously died without not knowing Christ, prior to the tribulation period, and the Return of Christ ,will already be there. This is to await a later Great White Throne sentencing, in which Death and hell are cast into the Lake of Fire. None of their names will be found in the Book of Life. So the mortals who are alive, and have come to KNOW Him, during the tribulation period and prior to His Coming, are allowed to entered the Millennial Kingdom. They are the ones who will repopulate the Earth. Scripture is quite clear on this. (Please read Zechariah 14:16-19)

    After the Millennial Rein of Christ, Satan will be let loose from prison to deceive the nations of the Earth that has now been repopulated after 1,000 years. This “little season” that Satan is let loose is not specifically mentioned in Scripture. But what you must understand is that death, sin, and rebellion will still occur, during His Millennial Reign – and even for some unspecified time period after His Reign. So the 70th week cannot have been completed. (imho)

    You may want to read Isaiah 65:17-25 which also speaks of the Millennial Reign of Christ – that will be an Earthly Reign.

    Scripture is also quite clear that Christ must Reign until He has put the last enemy under His feet – which is Death. This is the purpose of the Millennial Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 15:20-28). You see, the Earth doesn’t end at His Coming. The Earth doesn’t end immediately after His 1,000 year Reign – but it does END when God destroys those who rebel against Christ at the final Gog/Magog war. (Revelation 20:7-15) And this is AFTER His Reign has been completed.

    In closing, I am never dogmatic about my views, There are even some here that disagree with me – which is quite okay, but at least I provide Scripture to support my theory.


  22. Hisown…….

    It’s amazing how God works!

    Thanks for that link. There are so many who confuse the issue with the 2300 days, as it relates to End Time Prophecy. I have always believed that Daniel 8 had been fulfilled with Antiochus Epiphanes and would not apply to a future Antichrist, just by the very plain reading of this particular passage of Scripture.

    I could never articulate this event as this author has, but I must say that yet again, God continues to confirm things for me. I have booked marked the link that you have provided for future reference. Again Thank you my sister in Christ!


  23. We love you Mr B.

    Just to let you know I have not yet had the opportunity to discern the link as I had only just received this this am 🙂

    My small mind can’t begin to fathom the moving of the Holy Spirit as of late. All I know is we are in a time of great deception and none of us are immune to being deceived. If the angels that left first first estate ( being in the presence of God ) were duped, how much more do we need to be on guard 🙂

    One of my greatest blessings ( after the Lord saved me from the JW cult) was this word that has been the anchor in my life and the litmus test in my walk.

    1Jo 2:27 — But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    1Cr 2:13 — Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    We are in a time as none other and need you to know I make mention of you all daily in prayer. May the God of PEACE rule in our hearts and here too .



  24. Thankyou for your time to respond MrBaldy.
    I must again mention that I focus on Jesus Christ and test everything to his truth and righteousness. The Antichrist whether they are many (plural) as John mentioned or whether he is singular as John mentioned does not make the one or the many Antichrist more important than each ther becaue they all operate by that same spirit. Your will not disagree with this becaue it is scriptural.

    Most importantly you have not answered a very point that I have made is that a person is not invited to the wedding of the lamb unless they have the resurrection white garments of an angel. Let us look at this verse again:

    Matthew 22:10-14
    So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen.

    Firstly highways (symbolic) represents all nations.
    Secondly wedding was furnished meaning there is only one wedding and it is for ONLY those guests. This is not a half and half thing where you have have immorals and half mortals invited and the next verse confirms this.
    Thirdly Jesus asked a man why he had not on a wedding garment that is the one of the resurrected saints not as you stated those that are in their mortal bodies who survived the tribulation. Again there is no mixture of half mortals and half immortals.
    Forthly bind him hand and foot and cast him into outer darkness is to all those who have NOT been resurrected for they have been le naked and in shame and bound just like Satan will be.
    Fifth many are called (justified in Jesus Christ) out of which few are sanctified and are Biden invitation to the wedding of the lamb because the ones that have are clothed in white garments for the wedding (incorruptible bodies).

    Now couple this with
    John 3:5-6
    Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

    Everywhere in the bible it speaks of the flesh COUNTED as being crucified with Christ. Apostles even say the flesh is COUNTED as being mortified. So as it is written the first Adam was Mande from dust and to dust he shall return. Dust (mortals) cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Scripture tells us as aspirations are on heavenly things not earthly. You seem to totally deny what scripture is saying.


    Colossians 1:12-14
    Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

    Again the word translated describes the promise of being resurrected from a death state to that of an immortal and incorruptible state like the angels. Also something that will not go down well with earthly reigners are accepting THE ONLY PATH through the blood of the lamb of God that allows people to come to God and NOT by their works or tribulations or be geonology.


    Luke 20:34-38
    The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

    Again the sadducees tempted Jesus on a question of a widened with seven husbands who had passed away. They were told that they were in error because in the resurrection from the dead neither marry or are given in marriage. For your Jesus according to your theology and not scripture you would have Jesus reigning with immortals and mortals and therefore go in opposition to scripture that clearly states that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You place Jesus in the presence of the dead. This theology is coming from the pit of Hell and has luciferian written all over it. You DO NOT come in the presence of the Lord in your rotten stinking death suits. Forget go and read the wedding of the lamb, those that are invited have no blemishes or handicaps that they are in dying suits (bodies).


    John 18:36
    Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

    Here comes a perfectly clear instruction from Christ stating that my Kingdom is not of this world. So in my last post I stated that any earthly ground based Mellenium kingdom or utopian/robotic kingdom is NOT of God. So where does earthly Mellenium kingdom come from? The beast of the bottomless pit!


    Matthew 4:8-9
    Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

    Well this verse confirms what Jesus stated in the previous verse that his Kingdom is not of this world. So any the Mellenium/utopian kingdom established on earth is the kingdom of the devil because he offered it and all its glory to Jesus when he was in the world.


    Romans 8:7-11
    Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    Well this statement says it all doesn’t that you cannot be in the presence of deity whilst in your flesh. Also it confirms that the only way to be invited to the wedding of the lamb and be in the presence of His Holiness and Majesty Christ Jesus is to be quicken (resurrected) by the Spirit of God who also resurrected Jesus as our forerunner to the resurrection.

    MrBaldy it doesn’t matter what you or I say or think, it comes down to the Word of God that cuts through all the lies and hypocrisies of a modern age man hell bent on self sanctifying himself and inviting himself to the wedding of the lamb without an invitation and without a resurrection garment.

    You seem to avoid answering me on this point and in context to the disagreement I have with you in regards to my previous post. So in this post I have reiterated my
    valid point of disagrement backing it up with scripture. If you say there is twisting of scripture then do not quote another verse from somewhere else in the Bible out of context rather let’s discuss verse by verse where you think that there is twisting of scripture. You are making the accusation so justify your claim by reasoning and not by ranting on with your false accusations.

    It is like this you can not pass from this world to the Heavenly Kingdom of Christ unless you die and put away your flesh for the sake of the Word of God Christ Jesus or alternately if God chooses those who are the end day saints who do not see death and are translated in their spiritual resurrection bodies on the seventh trumpet sounded by Jesus Christ and are call up in the sky to New Jerusalem. Here there is only one grand majestic return of Jesus Christ by the sounding of the seventh trumpet, and so there will be no one still remaining who are alive in their death suits (mortal bodies).

    1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
    For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and REMAIN unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep (DEAD). For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    It clearly states the dead in Christ shall be raised first and those that remain who are alive will be caught (taken) up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the AIR (SKY).

    Here it is clear that the Lord will not come down to earth, but we that are called up to him in the sky to New Jerusalem.

    Revelation 3:12
    and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God:

    You see no old earthly Jerusalem mentioned here, but only New Jerusalem coming from Heaven. So the Kingdom is a Heavenly reign in a city that will be mega city with palaces in the sky having all the colors of the rainbow.

    After tribulation of those days and old Jerusalem will be a ruined heap, the Heavenly Kingdom New Jerusalem is not coming down to rest on earth until what???

    Revelation 21:10
    And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

    You have the Holy city New Jerusalem descending out of Heaven from God after the new heaven and new earth are formed and the wicked are thrown in the lake of fire (second death). This places the events after the Mellenium reign in New Jerusalem in the sky for a Mellenium until the new heaven and earth are formed by God.

    Read scripture in context, where and ask yourself this logical questions:
    Why the heaven and earth need to be renewed?
    (because God will sweep them away read Old Testament prophets)
    During the time of heaven and earth renewal where are the chosen living?
    (in the sky in New Jerusalem)
    During the time of heaven and earth renewal what does the earth resemble?
    (a dead planet)
    What separates the living from the dead?
    (living in New Jerusalem and dead in the lake of burning sulfur below).

    Sorry no mention of old earthly Jerusalem here neither an earthly reign. Now you stop twisting scripture out of context and answer according to the new testament not deflect and rant on about reading Isaiah, Joel, Zephaniah, Zechariah and Hosea.


  25. I would rather have posted my comments about this in the “what is going on?” thread… i didn’t see that option from my cell phone.

    I had a conversation with this jezebel a couple wks ago as she was talking about scripture… I told her I pick up a different spirit from her and it’s not the Holy Spirit. I have been praying for God to reveal to her her wickedness. I would compare this sign on her cell phone to the time God spoke through a donkey and other supernatural signs.


  26. Stan,

    By carefully reading your comments I can truly tell that you have formed an opinion, and you absolutely do not either comprehend what others have posted, and your own understanding of the Scriptures has blinded you to the truth – or you are so arrogant in your way of understanding that it has puffed you up with pride, in that you don’t even bother to read what has been put before you.

    Your questions have been answered. They were answered in my post. Had you read what was before you, to include the Scriptures that were provided to you, then you wouldn’t have to jump off the ropes with this nonsense that you dare to put forth. It would be one thing if you could provide Scriptures to prove your point. No, what you have done is twisted Scriptures to fit your ideas of what you have been taught, or have personally interpreted – and have left out other Scriptures that totally contradict this nonsense that you have posted. One must remember, Scripture is of no “private interpretation”.

    To prove my point, any elementary student of the bible would absolutely know that Christ will return to Earth and have an Earthly Kingdom – described in the bible as the Millennial Reign. The Scriptures that I have previously mentioned, have been provided for you, and had you bothered to read them, you would not have come forth with this pure unadulterated nonsense. You can’t cherry pick Scriptures in an effort to create your own doctrine – which by the way is NO GOSPEL at all. You are preaching something entirely different than that which has been written in Scripture – in that you provide an element of truth, but you convoluted it with your own perception – which by the way is how the evil in heart deceive.

    I won’t get into all the errors of your messages – because as with any form of deception, it does have an element of truth. Where you err greatly is not understanding that the marriage supper of the Lamb occurs in Heaven; which has occurred post Rapture. It is obvious that at some point that the Body of Christ is in Heaven – Revelation 7 is clear on that. In contrast, to your point, there is also a time in which Christ has Returned to Earth to Rule and Reign as King of kings and Lord of lords. There is a difference in this, in that there is a period of time in which the Saints are with Christ in Heaven, beginning at the Rapture (this is what you have described) and His Earthly Reign which comes sometime after the wrath of God has been poured out. You are with no doubt leaving out Matthew 24, Revelation 20, Zechariah 14, and Isaiah 65 and even the book of Jude. Nevertheless, I won’t get into a foolish debate with someone, who has obviously not read what has been provided, or with someone who is clearly not trying to debate an issue with results that may edify us all – such as you are doing.

    Wickus has pointed out in a previous topic that one shouldn’t be drawn into apparent traps set forth by those who want to deceive, divide, and set forth very ridiculous arguments that go no where – and it certainly does not edify the Body of Christ. (I’m paraphrasing Wickus here) Your statements here, so far have proven to be counter-productive.

    In closing, you may want to start out by reading what others have posted, and the subsequent Scriptures that support what they have written. Then do your Homework. If you have a disagreement – then disagree….it’s okay.

    There was a time in my walk with Christ, I would have punched someone like you in the mouth, then moved on to put out the next fire. But since I am now a more kinder, gentler Christian, I will at least open up my mind to understand that you are just misinformed. If you further desire to comment on anything that I have posted – then read what has been presented before you. Then if you lack understanding, then ask about what I have written – I would gladly supply you a spoon in literary pacifier form, to feed you a steady diet of the “sincere milk” of the Word that your malnourished soul so desperately needs.


  27. I really don’t know how more simple it can be….

    It is written:

    I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem (Zechariah 8:3).

    The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” The LORD will extend your mighty scepter from Zion [Jerusalem]; you will rule in the midst of your enemies (Psalm 110:1-2).

    For the LORD has chosen Zion, he has desired it for his dwelling: “This is my resting place for ever and ever; here I will sit enthroned, for I have desired it–(Psalm 132:13-14)

    “In that day,” declares the LORD, “I will gather the lame; I will assemble the exiles and those I have brought to grief. I will make the lame a remnant, those driven away a strong nation. The LORD will rule over them in Mount Zion from that day and forever (Micah 4:6-7).

    Vic do you recall as a ex Jw we were ( deceived ) into thinking Christ would NOT return in like manner in which He left and find it fascinating how this deception has crept in 😦

    Immediately after the tribulation of those days “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ “At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other (Matthew 24:29-31).

    Time to hit the knees 🙂


  28. Ezekiel’s Temple
    Ezekiel 43:7 He said: “Son of man, this is the place of my throne *and the place for the soles of my feet. This is where I will live among the Israelites forever.

    Isaiah 66:1 This is what the LORD says: “Heaven is my throne, *and the earth is my footstool. Where is the house you will build for me? Where will my resting place be?

    Micah 4:1 In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it.


  29. Preachthegospel , welcome here 🙂

    Is this your first post ? and if so I find it fascinating that you would feel the need to jump into this discussion at this point .

    Please introduce yourself , grab a chair and let’s talk 🙂


  30. Hi Simon, this is Colleen from Canada, originally from South-Afirca 🙂

    Amen yes , the blood of the Lamb was third stone the Lord gave us back in the summer of 2011 for the time we will soon be facing and just as David we stand ready- slighshot in hand.

    Please share this ” new light” you mention and let the rest of us seek the Lord in prayer and supplication as He gives us the authority to TEST the spirits amen 🙂


  31. Hi Simon,

    Let me please start by saying again, I did answer his question. He has failed to read the many Scriptures that I supplied. I want him to do his Homework before he starts an attack. I attacked no one. Now I ask you to do the same.

    Ok, you have mentioned this: “I do not think that you have answered his question.”

    Followed up by this statement: “He asked you how can you can place a resurrected Christ in the presence of mortal man who has not been resurrected”

    Simon, honestly do you really want me to answer that….okay, I mean really, first of all it is apparent that you have not read what I have posted as well. First, please re-read what I have posted – then please read the 28th Chapter of Matthew – which speaks of “The Resurrection”.

    After you have read that, then let me ask you a few questions…….

    Did our Lord appear before “mortal men” after His resurrection? Weren’t these same men His Disciples? Did he not eat fish before these same “mortal men”? Did these same “mortal men” not witness His ascension to Heaven?

    The questions that I ask are rhetorical. You should have your answer as well.

    In closing, very OFTEN when I read those who come with a different Gospel than that which has been preached – it doesn’t bother me that they challenge me, or what someone has soundly placed before them backed by Scripture – what really bothers me is that they DON’T READ the Scriptures. I am reminded of how the Scriptures mention the time in which the Disciples came to our Lord privately asking Him about the events that surround His Return.

    The very First thing He said was ………..

    “See that no one leads you astray.”


  32. In my aforementioned post I mentioned Matthew 28 as evidence that Jesus, in a resurrected body appeared before mortal men – which is true. But a better understanding in all that I have mentioned is actually in Luke 24:36-53.

    I will post it.

    Luke 24:36-53 reads:Jesus Appears to His Disciples

    36) As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” 37) But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. 38) And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39) See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40) And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. 41) And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42) They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43) and he took it and ate before them.

    44) Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45) Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46) and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47) and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48) You are witnesses of these things. 49) And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

    The Ascension

    50) Then he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them. 51) While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven. 52) And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, 53) and were continually in the temple blessing God.

    This is clear evidence that Christ, in His resurrected Body not only appeared before “mortal men” – but was also in a Body of Flesh and Bone (no blood) – and not ‘SPIRIT’ as some will have you believe. He will also RETURN in like manner as the Disciples saw Him depart.


  33. would you be so kind to give me your thoughts about the 70th week in a e-mail, mr. Baldy.. expecialy your thoughts about the 30 and 45 period of time.. wich I don’t understand


  34. Thankyou for making mention Simon that Sin cannot be into the presence of the Lord at the end of the harvest leading into the Millenium Reign.

    John 3:5-7
    Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

    The water represents purity as described (Matthew 8:3) where Jesus said you must be converted and become like little children to enter his Kingdom.
    Spirit is that of God that will resurrect your mortal bodies into incorruptible and immortal spiritual bodies like our Lord.

    So yes Simon Sin with a capital S can never be in the presence of the Lord and a world that is still in flesh copulating as people are doing right now is just down right Sin with a capital S.

    Scripture tells us that there is only one wedding of the lamb and those not having the white resurrection garments are cast into outer darkness where there they will gnash their teeth (Matthew 22:11-14).

    Also Thankyou for bringing to my attention to the false Christ’s especially the Moonies unification cult religion example you provided. That is very much why people should not look for a Christ reigning on earth with mortals because that is very much like what the founder of the Moonies did. Wow a lot of sinless marriages and plenty of shameless sex after their ceremonies. How could people fall for that lie.

    Thankyou I to will preach against any ground based Christ like figure as he will undoubtably be the Antichrist. Like I said they can bring a decoy Antichrist just to fulfill their heretical doctrine then cast him aside only to bring their real man of sin the one who brings the sword against any opposition. You know it sounds like this figure could be another Hitler or Mohammad dressed in white with all the pompous ceremony and technology that follows. The peacemaker who will finally come on a white horse to save the terrorized Jewish state and to overthrow the decoy Antichrist to finally give back the Jews their land and stop their enemies. So now maybe the Jews will finally believe that the messiah has finally come.

    Wow wow wow what a deception because I’m thinking of MrBaldy’s heretical doctrine is right in line for the manifestation of this calculatingly devious plot against the Jews and humanity. Never fear God is with all the faithfuls in Christ Jesus and we will disclose their lie now and also then in the future, should It be God’s will. Can you imagine we as soldiers of the cross are attacking the Antichrist image before they have even chance to erect him to that status, this is the Lord’s doing!

    Praise the Lord praise the Lord and praise the Lord the real division is happening NOW against this apostate religion that has deceived many in the last 100 years or so from the breaking up of the Roman Catholic Church into all these little harlots who call themselves Christian’s and practice earthly dominion in the RAW FLESH. May be they will have their human robots walking around and they will say see these battery driven droids are immortal. Look at the pop culture Simon and how they are pushing the robot agenda I think there is something in that, since the antichrist has no power to give life, he can only mimic it using technology in a technocratic society within the planned utopian millennium reign.


  35. I guess then we must ask the Lord to remove Rev 20 from the Bible. And maybe also Rev 22:19. Stan, Mr Baldy’s doctrine is based on clear Scripture. Yours are based on taking away from Scripture. I do not appreciat you calling my brother a heretic and calling us harlots. If you do not agree with what is published on this site, please refrain from visiting. Clearly you are not here to learn, but to try to confuse.

    Thank you.


  36. Thanks for your support Vic.

    These folk who come here with a different gospel eventually expose themselves every time. The information is there. I now even wonder if Stan and Preachthegospel are not one and the same person.

    Deception will be Great in the Last Days. It will not however fool the elect of God.

    May God continue to bless this site, and your ministry.


  37. Mr B you said ” . I now even wonder if Stan and Preachthegospel are not one and the same person.”

    I love your discerment brother and had expressed that a few posts ago as well 🙂

    Have you guys noticed (lately ) how the counterfeight tares, malicious deceivers, false brethren, wolves, bessels of wrath, are being exposed left right and center…I find it difficult to watch 😦

    Praying for us all. Please keep me in prayer too !


  38. Oppss sorry for the sp’s.

    What is “bessels”? like seriously 🙂

    Sounds good enough to eat..laugh!

    “VESSELS” already…EISH!!


  39. Ok maybe people r prank callin folks with phone numbers that don’t exist, I dunno.

    Ever since I texted a friend last yr about Solona being the antichrist and my phone beeped and alerted me that was my 66th msg sent (that was not something my phone ever did)…well, it made me aware God might send extraordinary signs.

    Pardon going way off topic here, lol


  40. i for one love to come to this site to learn and though some details are still in the works (only for a short while yet) for us i trust that because you folks here that are rightly dividing the Word of God you do not need or want to pressure any of us to believe you but be bereans ourselves. for that i thank you and thank God for you. you are blessings–each one. that’s a real switch from the ones who come not to inform and encourage but push an agenda (a fleshly mind will use that tactic) and end up with very twisted scripture in the process (to their shame for treating the Word as theirs rather than Gods’). thanks vic, mr baldy, justasheep, Hisown, roma, scott, berryblueberry. shelby, shortribber, truth, mattheiu, linda, lafreak, laurie, brenda—oh my goodness!–many many more of you that post from time to time with hearts that are open and generous to share without upbraiding us who only want to learn and discern by the Spirit of God! those who love the Word so supremely work out differences in fear and trembling as not to step on each other out of regard for each man’s dignity but holding the His Word above any and every man. i love you all-named or unnamed-in the Spirit of the Savior Who is the tie that binds. keep on keepin’ on dear people…….(yes we need each others prayers)


  41. Look at this malicious mail I got today from someone calling himself filled with the Spirit of God:

    “While you foolish Christian Zionists so look forward to a War with Iran some Israelis’s with some common sense are standing against the insane call to WAR (Thermo Nuclear). You should be ashamed of yourselves. You rage against abortion and homosexuality and rightly so, but you embrace WAR and a call of destruction for innocent people. Why is that? Disgusting. WWJD? He would not be supporting this wickedness. Such foolish Christians you are”

    I then said that he must be the son of satan as there is nothing of God in his hateful remarks. Look at the love from him:

    “Thank you for the kind compliment oh bright and morning star. Are you still calling for the cleansing of christians from israhell? You are a coward and hate the truth. Such a fool. You only worship with your feelings and not your mind this is why you are stuck in supporting wickedness Wicked Wickus. Clealy Gods word is true when he states that his people perish for lack of knowledge. You lack knowledge, and understanding. Renew your mind Wicked Wickus.”

    This person calls himself Davis with the email He is also pestering Scott, Dave and Pastor Brian. I find it very strange that this individual was silent for some months and just started mailing again just after I exposed Shirley/Kenneth a few days ago. I will not be surprised of these people, Stan and Preachthegospel are the same or part of a malicious group.

    Friends, if a comment from someone speaking medieval like language pops up and you feel a red flag popping up in your spirit, trust the Holy Spirit. He is trying to warn you of danger ahead. Not everyone saying Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom of heaven. Strangers trying to convince you that they know the truth usually lie. I usually don’t approve these comments, but sometimes it is interesting to get one or two through.

    Stick with Jesus and the Bible, and you will be fine.


  42. It’s funny how the fruit of the spirit comes out of some of these people that have been showing up around here lately.

    They show up with:
    a) some new and different interpretation of scripture
    b) they claim they are here to warn us for our good
    c) they get angry and offended if anyone asks them any questions about the scriptural basis of their claim, or dares to disagree with them
    d) they end up cursing and attacking any who would question/express reservation about their particular theory/interpretation of scripture.

    I’m glad that we’ve been able to persevere and stand up firmly but kindly do those that would twist the scriptures. I don’t think we need to back down or equivocate – we can love those that chase after some other interpretation and some man-centered or other revisionist gospel without loving their ideas or loving what they preach.

    I also wanted to say how thankful I am for all of you – that we can watch together, present ideas theories and as I’ve seen refine each other’s understanding of the scripture by asking hard questions and searching the scriptures for answers.


  43. Wow….

    Until recently I had always thought that Andre’ was a male, and Justasheep was a female….he he he… much for my discernment Hisown!

    I found out when Justasheep kindly rebuked me on my tough guy nature that he was male. I should have know that Andre’ was female by her gentle words……ha ha

    Love you guys!


  44. How precious is that!!!

    Sis thank-you for the beauty of your heart and the true agape love .I love and appreciate you all so very much and praise God each day for you.

    I asked this quesiton to some precious believers this morning and want to post it here as a warning to all of us to be ALERT in these days of great deception and strong delusion. Remember they are WITHIN 😦

    How can we tell if a person is “Born Again” or has just made a profession of faith?

    Please keep in mind that the fruits of the spirit can be “mastered” (OTHER than agape love)

    If I may post one of the reponses that blessed my socks off that once again reminded me that God is NOT mocked…lest they deceive themselves into thinking they can .

    Quoting Mr B “I beleive that even if one believes that they have mastered one of the fruits of the Spirit by way of deception, that their sins will eventually expose them.”

    Reflecting on Jer 23: 24

    Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD.

    Receiving the exhortaion-1 Cor 11: 19

    For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.


  45. amen sis Hisown and my bros! so right–no one can fake the True Love of Jesus inside hearts that have been washed in the Blood of the Lamb (slain before the foundation of the world) our Salvation and taught this Love by the Sanctifying Grace of the Holy Spirit. we know Gods’ Word has the Power to make the sinner a saint–and me thinks this “re-construction project” of His kinda hurts sometimes!!! (((is not My Word like a fire? says the Lord and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces? jeremiah 23:29—-oh but the Hand that holds the hammer is Nail-scarred–no wonder we Love Him))). the spelling of my name throws people a bit–oh well! my momma and daddy gave me this name so i reckon i’ll keep it till Jesus gives me my new one!


  46. Thanks Baldy – Justaram just didn’t have a very nice ring to it, although I wasn’t justaewe either so I wonder led in that direction. 😉


  47. Lol. :-0 Well, we are all His sheep and He is the good Sheppard. So who wants to be anything else than just-a-sheep?
    I had a good laugh now.


  48. An “abominable,” third Temple (exact replica) has already been built, but in San Paolo, Brazil, with some 2nd Temple stones transported from Israel.
    The AC followers understand this verse and built the Temple where it SHOULD NOT BE to hasten the fulfillment of prophecy. They say it right and their marketing video.
    Evangelical Christians, Catholics, Jews, Islam, etc. are being fused into the Universal Church Of The Kingdom, a Universal, global religion.
    Take a look.
    ==> Mark 13:14-20 But when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION standing where it should not be <==
    (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. And let him who is on the housetop not go down, or enter in, to get anything out of his house; and let him who is in the field not turn back to get his cloak. But woe to those who are with child and to those who nurse babes in those days! But pray that it may not happen in the winter.
    For those days will be a time of tribulation such as has not occurred since the beginning of creation which God created, until now, and never shall. And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect whom He chose, He shortened the days."


  49. Amen Vic 🙂

    AOD= not a 3rd temple or a replica of it either.

    Abomination that causes Desolation!

    And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    Ohh I need to resurrect this thought with a new understanding of a verse the Lord led me too a few days ago 🙂

    Quoting Mr B “I beleive that even if one believes that they have mastered one of the fruits of the Spirit by way of deception, that their sins will eventually expose them.”

    Psalm 9

    15 The heathen are sunk down in the pit that they made: in the net which they hid is their own foot taken.

    16 The Lord is known by the judgment which he executeth: the wicked is ……<<<<<snared in the work of his own hands<<<<<<….. Higgaion. Selah.


  50. Tony, Tony!! come on dude 🙂 really ?

    Just this should red flag you, never mind anything else. Will share as time permits.

    “Click here to make a donation”


  51. i mean nuthin’ more than exactly what i said,………i would say that the project they’ve engaged in is NO SMALL THING, and that what they’ve accomplished is a MARVEL IN SIGHT along with the fact that the timing* of it all is OUTRAGEOUS. thats all*


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