Cashless Europe from Aug 2012?

Germany: As of August 2012 cash phased

(Translated from German)

For banks, savings banks and shops is the currency in circulation, a cost-and risk factor.And the tax office cash increasingly viewed with skepticism. Cash payers in Germany after a planned long in advance EU will soon be a flat rate of suspects.

In Germany, notes and coins for purchases by far the most widely used means of payment. In terms of sales of the cash share is around 60 percent. That should change quickly according to the will of politicians and banks. Even in Germany is now one in many parts of the population is still unknown directive of the European Commission implemented, stands at the end of the abolition of cash. With the EU-Money Directive (2009/110/EC) will be released without the path for “innovative and secure electronic money services’ cash. The EU calls for all citizens of the Member States’ electronic purse in the form of a payment card or other smart card, “and” as storage media for electronic money (…) also mobile phones (can be paid to those too) and “online payment accounts. There are several such EU directives. Summarizing them, the picture becomes clear: step by step is abolished in the EU cash or paying with cash even prohibited.

Allowed in Italy for example, since the 4th December 2011 amounts above € 1000 no longer be paid in cash. The new Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti is driving the non-cash payment under high pressure. Monti was previously Commissioner for Financial Services and the EU worked even before the introduction of the euro in the medium-term EU plans to replace a significant portion of cash payments in the EU by means of chip cards and controlled financial flows. All EU member states set the monetary policy of the EU currently stands at under high pressure. In Belgium, as of now, no longer be paid in cash on goods that cost more than 5,000 €. State Secretary in charge of tax fraud Crombez confirmed in mid-January with press reports. Gradually, the cash sum, with the citizens should pay more, lowered further and further. All this is being prepared in Germany: In August 2012, there we go. Read what you need to prepare now.

The full text of this article you read in the latest issue of the background information service KOPP exclusive .


Thanks to our Aussie brother Lafreak for posting this in the comment section and on Facebook.

Friends, as we have speculated before, the EU economic crisis may just be the tool used to usher in a cashless society and finally, the mark of the beast. This article confirms it, and the plans are finalized and ready to be implemented.  I have said it before, but let me say it again: Many end time prophecies will be fulfilled or nearly fulfilled under the radar, were sleeping Christians will not notice it. This is something that needs to be heard from every pulpit  to warn the sheep, but sadly very few will hear it. We must spread the word of His soon return. The pastors, reverends, priests, modern day apostles and will not do it. Who’s left?

You and me.

PS. Mattieu, do you maybe have some info from the Netherlands for us?



57 thoughts on “Cashless Europe from Aug 2012?

  1. Am I reading correctly that Belguim you can’t pay cash for anything over 5000 euros and Italy since 4 December 2011 the amount is 1000 euros? Germany will begin to phase out cash in August this year and the EU is working to completely phase it out and possibly make it prohibited to use cash. Also, they want to use some type of smart card or even load to mobile phones. I want to make sure I have this correct before I bring this before our congregation sunday. Thanks


  2. Thanks Vic. I just make sure I have it straight. Thanks LaFreak for the information. This is big prophetically in my humble opinion if it comes to pass the way they have planned it.


  3. And here in the US- the Occupy people are going to give the left wing oligarchy all the ammunition they need to start cracking down on so-called “peaceful” protesters and enacting draconian controls on free-speech and assembly. Coming in may to my hometown of Chicago – the Occupy people plan to bring 50k of their fellows to disrupt the G8 summit and insist on their socialist agenda.. or else.

    from their Occupy group communications:
    “On May 1, 50,000 people from all over the world will flock to Chicago, set up tents, kitchens, peaceful barricades and #OCCUPYCHICAGO for a month. With a bit of luck, we’ll pull off the biggest multinational occupation of a summit meeting the world has ever seen.

    “And this time around we’re not going to put up with the kind of police repression that happened during the Democratic National Convention protests in Chicago, 1968 … nor will we abide by any phony restrictions the City of Chicago may want to impose on our first amendment rights. We’ll go there with our heads held high and assemble for a month-long people’s summit … we’ll march and chant and sing and shout and exercise our right to tell our elected representatives what we want … the constitution will be our guide.

    “And when the G8 and NATO meet behind closed doors on May 19, we’ll be ready with our demands: a Robin Hood Tax … a ban on high frequency ‘flash’ trading … a binding climate change accord … a three strikes and you’re out law for corporate criminals … an all out initiative for a nuclear-free Middle East … whatever we decide in our general assemblies and in our global internet brainstorm – we the people will set the agenda for the next few years and demand our leaders carry it out.

    “And if they don’t listen … if they ignore us and put our demands on the back burner like they’ve done so many times before … then, with Gandhian ferocity, we’ll flashmob the streets, shut down stock exchanges, campuses, corporate headquarters and cities across the globe … we’ll make the price of doing business as usual too much to bear.”

    The are believing a sickening greedy, selfish delusion.


  4. And as soon as the flimsy security on these cards is broken in a spectacular way they’ll need to move to an embedded token (in your right hand or forehead) that takes advantage of biometric data to authenticate the user. All in the name of “secure” financial transactions.


  5. Revelation 17-10-11
    And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    Five great kingdoms are fallen: Babylon, Medo, Persia, Grecian, Roman
    One is (sixth) the world that we know today compliments of the second beast of Revelation that had two horns.

    Revelation 13:11-13
    And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

    The only country that has made two horn like detonation clouds come over Nagazaki and Hiroshima is America and it has also been established as the world COP to bring ALL once sovereign countries under the one world government. After the two major wars WW1 and WW1 it has established the league of nations, UN, foreign exchange ISO 4217 (universal currency under the mark of the mark of the beast XXX or 999), world bank (global bank), NATO (global military), and many other institutions that brought all to the servitude of the FIRST BEAST.

    This second beast doesn’t come out of the sea or waters that represent existing civilizations, it clearly states it comes out of the land, that is, a new land that was discovered by Christopher Columbus. The church was given wings to escape the flood (representing multitudes of people) and find a new land. So America is the christian religious capital of the world.

    Who is the first Beast???

    Remember one is, this is the sixth so it would line up with the one that exists that brings ALL once sovereign nations to the servitude of the First beast, so this must be America. America is the sixth global great kingdoms of the ages, and it is also part of mystery Babylon. The statue of liberty is symbolic of the goddess Ishtar, this is also described as that Great city, that trading capital of the world.

    The First beast must be the one that had the head wound and was healed. This needs to be tied to the revival of the Roman Empire (1950 treaty of Rome. And 2009 Lisbon Treaty). Because He is the beast that was during the time of Saint John’s Revelation and was not because He went into perdition, yet is again for the last and final time leading to the Majestic Grand entry of His Holyness Christ Jesus.

    So we know from history that the Roman Empire was a fascist enterprise that had two symbols of an eagle and also the infamous fascist symbol of 13 tied up reeds with an axe head. So we know that fascist in New York who funded Hitler also had to get rid of him when he became aywal. Then after German’s defeat, the German high ranking, military, scientists all moved to America. Since then they have been in America’s government planning wars in every single pocket of the world. If you don’t believe me, then look at the fascist symbols in the congress building where the republicans and democratically sit, look at the podium on its left and right you will see the fascist symbols of an eagle, and tied up feeds with an axe head.

    So the six beast is the two horned beast and is America and it still exists, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

    The one that comes for a short while is the seventh and he is also the eighth. While America was in power, the seventh beast in the form of the third Reich came for a short time and then went. Then the treaty of Rome was reestablished under the guise of a united Europe EU, that was ratified in the Lisbon Treaty in December 21st 2009.

    So therefore the beast that was and had the head wound and was healed is the revived Roman Empire and this was in the form of the third Reich and today it will be in the form of the Fourth Reich with Germany (The Assyrian, the First Beast) has come sneakly under the cloak of the EU. Obama takes orders from EU and not congress, this is noted in the unauthorized wars in the middle east against Egypt, Libya, Syria, Iran.

    They have perfected a fascist by stealth plan to bring to power the beast that was and yet was not and yet is again. The Roman Empire Olympics held in London the XXX (Roman Empire mark of the beast) is mission accomplished. The centralized currency in Europe is going universal and electronic and you can discover this yourself. Go to Wikipedia and type in ISO4217 then go down in the table until you see the NO CURRENCY CODE XXX denoted as letter or 999 denoted as number. The funny thing is they have learnt from their mistake, that is instead of putting a man at the helm like they did in the past in the form of Hitler, they have chosen a women to guarantee that everything is under control. You know that a man go aywal yet a women will listen to exactly what she is told POLITELY!

    Sorry for the long wounded explanatio, but I see that when you discuss prophecy amongst yourselves, you only look in your time and do not see the bigger picture here.

    I hope that you have been made aware.

    Well that leaves one repeating prophecy that is most worrying to the Jews that still reject Christ Jesus and the blood atonement for sins, there will be a REPEAT of 68 AD but on a much graduer scale never seen before. I think revelation is warning Judaens to flee into the mountains NOW.

    The Word of God is a repeating prophecy that is fulfilled throughout all generations. Christ said it to the disciples and it happened in 68AD and he was also saying it to this generation, that is the end generation.

    Well you know what to do I am sounding the trumpet in Zion you choose when you want to get out.


  6. Romanempirehealed

    I will re read your post as time permits yet was reminded to these *two verses that seem to fit the appointed time we are currently in.

    May the Lord continue to lead and guide us as He ever so gently opens the door ever so slightly. I am convinced that if He were to show us the fulness of this all at once, I for one would be not be able to bear the sorrow of it all.

    A very precious friend had to remind me again this morning that we are feeling the AGONY Christ felt in the garden , Jesus was in agony over fear of this great suffering for He knew what was about to befall Him, so too we agonize for what we see is about to befall Mystery Babylon, the late great US of A 😦

    Romanempirehealed I don’t recall reading any other posts of yours here, is this your first or am I sleeping on the job ? lol

    *Dan 12:4 — But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end

    *Dan 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, [many] days.


  7. I remain nameless in this world for my name is what the Heavenly Father writes on my forehead.
    Assuredly we will all be revealed to the world according to the Lord’s will, as Moses was called upon to send a vivid message to Pharoah.
    Ask and you shall receive. Ask the Father and he will comfort your heart.
    The plagues are coming upon this wicked generation. There are many Moses’s and Elijah’s in this world. They will be asked by the Father to declare unto this global Sodom and Egypt to repent and render their hearts to God and not to the material things.
    They will curse this world with their tongues and God will execute with His power. The ancient of Days is here and dwelling amongst His saints, The Israelites and they will curse this world and free the Israelites from bondage to mystery Babylon.
    God will use the 144,000 to sound an alarm in Zion and lead God’s people out of Babylon and into the wilderness as witnesses to the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the hearts of many shall be turned back to God.

    God bless those that love God and their brethren


  8. I don’t recall asking for a name 🙂 only if you had posted here before.

    I agree there are Moses’s and Elijah’s in this world whom have suffered immense persecution from the ” Jezebels ” of today and trust me my friend they bear the marks of the battle whom have counted all things as loss for the excellency of Christ amen!

    Just watched this clip in groaning and agony of spirit and pray that the Lord will give us the courage to stand in the days that lay ahead.

    Persecution is coming to the elect, I face and embrace it…even so Thy will be done oh Lord!!!


  9. Hisown, thanks for posting that eye opener. this is so graphic it made me gasp at the sheer volume of protest around the world against israel-and it is on the increase. we know God’s plan will not be overthrown-for israel’s Savior will come to her-but oh what will be before that day comes. really cannot quite imagine what is on the horizon….Lord we need the same Power from on High giving us the Courage and Boldness that was given to stephen-a man filled with the Holy Spirit-in acts chp 6 & 7 to speak the Truth and live out our Trust in You unashamed and unapologetic before a world that will more and more hate israel and us just as You told us because it hated You…………did you notice that date? march 30, 2012—it’s in that 3 1/2 year timeframe that had me wondering a few weeks ago (3 1/2 years from sept 29 2008 mentioned in the harbinger video) and i know you and i both have been very curious as to what this particular spring will unveil–just thoughts and do not trust in my thoughts–but watching—& there is much that seems to want to come together in this springs’ line up of world events. it is the events involving israel that have me most interested to see if it will bring the abomination of desolation. we are in God’s Hands of Mercy to do with us as He pleases like you said–even so Thy Will be done oh Lord!!! so i pray for the heart of us all to be-with faces set like flint–i delight to do Your Will oh God!-that we may bring Him Glory.


  10. Zechariah 2-6-7
    Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD. Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

    North could only mean northern hemisphere.
    God says that He has spread Zion across the four winds. This could only imply the whole globe.
    OZion get out of Babylon come down from the northern hemisphere. This is mystery Babylon that sits on the northern hemisphere. God is warning the Christians who are Zion to flee Babylon to not be parttakers of her judgements.
    This is what Revelation warns. I think something terrible is going to happen to the whole of the northern hemisphere.

    Zechariah 4:6-8
    Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. 7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it. 8 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.

    Friends Zerubbabel in Hebrew means the Seal and the Signet ring of authority, therefore He is Christ Jesus. God the Father is saying that by His Spirit in Zerubbabel, the mountain (Jerusalem) shall be before Christ. God will bring forth His Son shouting Grace, this is the bail bond that was paid in full at Calvary do that by Grace we are saved and atoned for our sins. The headstone is Christ Jesus who is Zerubbabel who lays the foundation of the house to its completion. This house is the Holy temple of God that you are prepared as a bridegroom ready for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who will quicken your mortal bodies and give you the white garments of resurrection, the same that Christ was given as our forerunner. It is this house that is scattered across the four winds of the earth that is Zion, redeemed from the world by the blood of the lamb of God.

    God bless you brethren for reading the word, teach teach and instruct as many as who are willing to listen

    Once again thank you brothers and sisters for this forum brings the body of Christ Jesus closer as the days of slaughter near, our hope is in the resurrection,


  11. You mention the “day’s of slaughter” Romanempirehealed , are you referring to the 42 months that the saints are given over to the beast or the soon devastating blow to mystery Babylon?

    Is this the a “calling out ” cry ? I humbly believe so yes 😦

    Jer 51:54 ¶ A sound of a cry [cometh] from Babylon, and great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans:

    Jer 51:49 ¶ As Babylon [hath caused] the slain of Israel to fall, so at Babylon shall fall the slain of all the earth.

    Jer 51:6 ¶ Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this [is] the time of the LORD’S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence.

    Jer 51:45 ¶ My people, go ye out of the midst of her, and deliver ye every man his soul from the fierce anger of the LORD.

    Jer 51:46 And lest your heart faint, and ye fear for the rumour that shall be heard in the land; a rumour shall both come [one] year, and after that in [another] year [shall come] a rumour, and violence in the land, ruler against ruler.

    Jer 51:10 The LORD hath brought forth our righteousness: come, and let us declare in Zion the work of the LORD our God.

    Jer 51:11 ¶ Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device [is] against Babylon, to destroy it; because it [is] the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple.

    Jer 51:64 And thou shalt say, Thus shall Babylon sink, and shall not rise from the evil that I will bring upon her: and they shall be weary. Thus far [are] the words of Jeremiah.


  12. Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

    Hab 2:6 — Shall not all these take up a parable against him, and a taunting proverb against him, and say, Woe to him that increaseth that which is not his! how long? and to him that ladeth himself with thick clay!


  13. Yes Hisown it is a calling out cry.
    It is sounding the trumpet in Zion for the Christians to flee the northern hemisphere region of earth where Mystery Babylon sits.

    Jeremiah is sounding that alarm as a watchmen to the house of Israel who we are, being scattered abroad everywhere on the face of this planet.

    God will give the faithful the sign in heaven as an indication to the impending judgement (Luke 21:11). Some will heed the warning others will not. The main focus as a Christian is to walk with God in faith and His Spirit will do the rest by guiding and instructing us in times of trouble. The Christians were instructed by the Holy Spirit to leave Jerusalem before the Roman Legions came and ransacked Jerusalem in 68AD. The Jews that died were those that were not anointed by the blood of the lamb of God.

    The northern hemisphere where Babylon sits gets wiped out and so the Euphrates river that is reprinted by its citizens will not know what hit them, for destruction shall come suddenly and none shall help them. Revelation 16:12 alludes to a Great River meaning most of the population of the world resides in the northern hemisphere, say 30th parallel north. The number 30 is symbolic of the thirty pieces of silver that Judas took in betraying Jesus. So those that live in Babylon and do not heed the warning are those that rejected the gift of God and had not the Holy Spirit to protect them, so they have become like drunkards not knowing what is around the corner. These are those that pierced him by rejection the gift of salvation and thereby take part in the field of blood that the 30th parallel north will represent in the coming days of slaughter. Below scripture is symbolic of the repeated prophecy and the meaning of the number 30 in Biblical prophecy.

    Matthew 27:8-10
    Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day. 9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value; 10 And gave them for the potter’s field, as the Lord appointed me.

    So when the great river euphrates is dried up (inhabitants killes), this will prepare the way of the kings of the east to that great day of battle.

    Revelation 16:12
    And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

    We may have the last battle being fought for what habitable land there is and the limited resources after the heavenly judgement. It is very suspicious why the EU and America are toppling countries in the middle east and Africa are they thinking of relocating knowing what we know as Christians.

    Daniel 11:40-45
    And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. 41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. 42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps. 44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. 45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

    Well to have power over the treasures of gold and silver could only mean resources. So what power structure remains of the one world government of mystery Babylon tries to relocate its power base between the seas (people’s) in the glorious mountain (Jerusalem) but this will be to no avail we are told.

    The uprising in the middle east is a smoke scream or a decoy for the real intent of going into that area. So why is America sending its troops and preparing its base in Israel and why it almost looks like the days of king Harod and the Roman Empire being played over again for the last and final time coinciding with the Majestic grand entry of Christ Jesus.

    Finally I would like to consider the meaning of 42 months as being symbolic and not literal, that is 6 x 7 meaning the great day of battle will be between the Antichrist spirit (6) and the Spirit of God (7).

    Daniel 12:11-13
    And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

    1260 days Represents the great day of battle between man and the Spirit of God (those that have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and have received the double portion anointing as the former and latter rain). This battle is between Christ and antichrists (many = sons of perdition). So the number 1260 is split into 30 (field of blood) x 42 (6 (Antichrists) x 7 (144,000) = great day of battle).

    It is written blessed are those that wait (survive) until 1335. This is only 75 days more. Again I do not take this literal but symbolic where The number 70 is another combination of two of the perfect numbers, 7 and 10. Hence 7 x 10 signifies perfect spiritual order carried out with all spiritual power and significance. Both spirit and order are greatly emphasized.

    The Biblical Meaning of the Number 5
    Five is four plus one (4+1). Now we have a further revelation of a People called out from mankind, redeemed and saved, to walk with God from earth to heaven. Hence, Redemption follows creation. Inasmuch as in consequence of the fall of man creation came under the curse and was “made subject to vanity,” therefore man and creation must be redeemed. Thus we have:

    These are the five great mysteries, and five is therefore the number of GRACE.

    If four is the number of the world, then it represents man’s weakness, and helplessness, and vanity, as we have seen.

    But four plus one (4+1=5) is significant of Divine strength added to and made perfect in that weakness; of omnipotence combined with the impotence of earth; of Divine favor uninfluenced and invincible.

    These are symbolic of the remnant (144,000) who are Spirit filled with Christ and go into the great day of battle to face insurmountable numbers unimaginable. They will stand in the mountain of their God that is symbolic of Jerusalem and will stand until the brightness of the Lord’s coming at the sound of the seventh trumpet that Christ Jesus will sound upon unleashing His might upon all those who encircle the camp of the saints.

    Notice I did not use 75 on its own because 75 on its own has no biblical symbolic meaning and therefore does not appear anywhere in the Bible. However the numbers 70 and five do appear with symbolic significance.

    The 144,000 are the illustrious company of fighting men left on earth after the two witnesses of God numbering in the millions have been killed and resurrected up to heaven, before Christ’s coming and the sounding of the seventh trumpet.

    Read Joel chapter 2 to get a glimpse of what condition these men of war will physically fight in and there is no nation or civilization left it is a outright futile last ditch effort by Satan to wipe out God’s people the remnant to oppose God’s word. Yet we are told the 144,000 are the ones that sing a song that no an can sing when the Lord comes with the resurrected saints (the two countless witnesses of Christ Jesus starting from saint Stephen the first martyred), because there is no one left alive and they shall stand seeing the Lord and New Jerusalem descending from heaven and the Lord shall call them up. When they are called up they will be translated in resurrection bodies and the earth will remain desolate for a millennium (figurative meaning very long time) and they will live in the ark of safety new Jerusalem in the sky.

    Zechariah 14:4-5
    4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal:

    The mount of olives is the Lord’s light that will come from the east and even shine onto the west (Matthew 24:27). This is where the Lord Christ Jesus will stand on a chariot carrying the trumpet (a arabolic trumpet) of God in th right hand. The olive represents peace and so his light where Th prince of peace dwells will bring peace in that valley (symbolic of th shining of His light from the east to the west). The mountain towards the north and south is the Holy city New Jerusalem and so the Lord the Prince of Peace shall dwell in the midst of the valley, where He is the living waters that will sustain His Saints that inhabit New Jerusalem in the sky. So the mountain will cover both the northern and southern hemisphere of palaces that represent the New Jerusalem. It will not tough the ground for the ground will be made desolate and so the city becomes the ark of safety (Noah’s ark) where anything outside that ark will die. Christ said I will go and built you a special dwelling place and I will bring it with me. This is the dwelling of the Saints. Noah built an ark that sustained him in the floods, and so Christ builds the true ark that sustains and gives everlasting life to His Saints, and everything else outside that ark will be consumed by fire and a lava lake of fire that the earth will represent. It also states that the valley shall reach to azal, azal means eternity. Christ Jesus is the eternal God and so his presence will reach up to eternity. And all the Saints will flee to that valley to know the mystery of their God in a quest of eternal knowledge and life with their God.

    The Lord’s mountain encompassing all of the northern and southern sky is new Jerusalem and the valley where the living waters are is called symbolically the mount of olives because the Lord will dwell in the midst, since Christ Jesus is the Prince of Peace therefore the valley is referred to as the olive (symbol for peace). This is the same olive branch that was extended by the dove (symbolic of the Holy Spirit), but here it is Christ Jesus in person extending his hand in peace and friendship to all the wedding guests who have been chosen for the wedding of the lamb of God. This also fulfills the word of Christ Jesus that it will be like the days of Noah. We know that Noah found safety in the ark and everything outside the ark was destroyed and all life lost. Here we have a parallel where new Jerusalem in the sky is the ark of safety and the saints who have been invited there are in safe keeping with the lord and are sustained by Him and everything outside of the ark is a lake of fire that the earth will represent as it will be millennium (a long time) before God replenishes the earth and the ark of safety new Jerusalem does come down and rest on the new earth and this becomes the new Eden with the second Adams following their master and forerunner Christ Jesus on the knew earth and new sky.

    As carnal beings we should never thing of timing for any event for all is in God’s hand for we are told we can only know the seasons which implies the events but not when they will happen. So the symbolizim of scripture firstly shows the word of God being fulfilled repeatedly until the climax (the end of ages), secondly it talks to all generations and thirdly it describes the events but never gives the literal time. God in His patience and mercies chooses when the time will be but He tells us what will happen but not when it will happen.

    The time piece is an eternal God’s choosing to say time no more, and not a mere mortal man. So I have stopped putting any literal time stamp meaning to days when coming across them in scripture, but rather have discovered them to be indicative of seasons (events).

    Sorry for this long and wounded reply.

    God be with us in these uncertain times and our faith in Him will sustain us.


  14. Thankyou Vic
    Please correct me if you see areas where I have not understood certain scripture.
    God bless Zion


  15. Hi Romanempirehealed

    You have a fresh way of interpreting end time events. As we are all students who are learning daily as God gives us wisdom, I can not correct you. I can however say that I do not agree with some of the things written in this post. I am an old fashioned literal type when it comes to the 1260 days, 42 months and 3.5 years. It’s been repeated so many times in Daniel and Revelation that I think God wants us to understand the length of that specific time.

    God bless


  16. I want to echo Vic, I think it’s good to be carefully analyzing the scriptures. There is a certainly a blessing there as it is hidden away in your heart. I can’t say you are wrong – because I don’t think we’ll know for sure until things are being fulfilled (or continue to be fulfilled as is the case with some things we believe may already be fulfilled.

    I tend to go with the axiom – if the plain sense makes sense then make no other sense. I am not inclined to agree with interpretations of scripture that overcomplicate what God has made simple – yet if we are not submitted to his will, difficult to accept. If something says days – weeks or weeks of years we should interpret it that way. As an example I give Daniel 9 – and how the 69 weeks (7weeks + 62weeks) exactly matches the 483 years that passed from the decree to Christ’s triumpah entry.


  17. Amen Justasheep !

    I live by one of the first scriptures the Lord gave me after He saved me from the JW cult and keep that as my guide and test.

    1Jo 2:20 — But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

    1Jo 2:27 — But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    Jhn 16:13 — Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    2Cr 11:3 — But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

    What`s this about a `double portion anointing“? ain`t that a Latter Day `Joel’s Army“ teaching?

    Time to hit the knees 🙂


  18. Vic
    I to agree with you when in regards to Daniels time prophecy where God gave us an exact time when He will send His Son Christ Jesus into the world.
    Where I have changed my view is in regards to end time prophecy. I believe what God has told me in regards to end time events by His written Word.

    Hosea 2:9
    Therefore will I return, and take away my corn in the time thereof, and my wine in the season thereof, and will recover my wool and my flax given to cover her nakedness.

    The word season used in the bible is always shown to be the sequence of events leading to the TIME. This verse describes the time when the harvesters (angels) are sent to separate the WHEAT from the TARES. Notice here God states MY CORN.

    Jeremiah 5:24
    Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.

    Again here the words SEASON and RESERVETH his APPOINTED WEEKS (Daniels weeks). So season refers to knowing the time is near because of a sequence f events that are being witnessed. RESERVETH is specific in that only God knows what TIME and we do not know the TIME, because they are reserved for Him only so we are told to mind our own business here. This verse also refers to the end time harvest.

    Daniel 7:12
    As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

    Season and time again is saying a period of time that God reserves and knows, because He alone prolongs their lives.

    Matthew 24:36
    But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    Here day and hour refers always to a literal time piece. So here we are told that MAN will not know the exact timing and is discouraged of trying to work it out by the Lord’s statement where He even stipulates that He doesn’t know except when He is in the office of His greatest seat of authority as God the Father. So Christ Jesus is saying in this seat of authority as the Son He doesn’t know pointing to the timing reserved only to the Heavenly Father.

    Matthew 24:46
    Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

    So we are told when we know the seasons or sequence of events we should be viligent and always keeping watch and holding onto our garments.

    Revelation 16:15
    Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    We are told to keep watch not literal watch but one of discerning the seasons and sequence of events that are the fulfillment of the conditions that need to be met to know the time is upon us.

    Matthew 24:50
    The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

    Here we are told the time is a surprise because the hour refers to a physical to e piece.

    Matthew 24:32-34
    Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

    So as the seasons in a year where a crop yields it’s fruit we may discern the season but not exact LITERAL TIME, when the harvest is ripe, because of the witnessed sequential events and conditions that are met in all of the scripture. The generation refers to all of creation shall not pass away until the fulfillment of the Word.

    So what is the fullfilment of the Word.

    The gospel must be preached to all the world.
    The falling away must happen.
    The protector of humanity the Holy Spirit is taken away.
    Evil will run its course and spiral towards total anarchy, lawlessness and idolators.

    There are more conditions but these are the ones to discern that inform is the time is at the door.

    Think for a moment how could the gospel be preached to all the world when also the condition of the falling away happens, is this possible.

    Yes falling away can happen when another Jesus and another gospel is preached in place of the true gospel. This would be the gospel of the Antichrist and the false prophet.

    Today in the 21st century since the first martyre Saint Stephen we have countless witnesses of Christ Jesus who have been persecuted and killed for holding onto the truth and grace that is found in Christ Jesus. So these witnesses have been murdered physically or spiritually by shutting up the true gospel and replacing it with a counterfeit. I am sure that there will be more persecutions and martyrdoms of true Christians that will come to completely seal the fate of those belonging to the body of the false prophet, who will remain in the STRONG DELUSION because they loved not the righteousness found in Christ Jesus but sought after carnal ways after the flesh.

    Notice here flesh means carnal ways and belief systems. God tells us directly that He hates the carnal man and unless He is allowed to have direct access to an man’s heart to mould the person from a carnal thinking man to a spiritual thinking man that Jesus was when he was on earth, then that person cannot inherit eternal life becaue he is not born again with the new sanctification garments that God will give him upon resurrection. This walk with God makes the believer forsake himself (the man of flesh) because he regards himself being cruccified with Christ and follows God in faith and in Spirit, this is the baptism of fire and Holy Ghost.

    If we tie this to the man of sin or son of perdition who sits in the Holy temple that is the temple of the body, that we are, meant for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, instead hold onto our carnal ways and regard not God’s spirtual ways, then we by default become self worshipers, idolators and lawless regarding not God’s authority.

    The spirtual mark of the beast becomes that of a man of flesh holding onto carnal ways and continuing to make transactions into this world by relying on fleshly paths and merits on what the person can achieve with his right hand per say.

    This is the falling away to doctrines of devils that is loudly saying work for your salvation and regard not the blood atonement. You see many have fallen from Grace because they still think that literal man can save himself, yet they forget that God is saying NO, you come to me and I will work in you to sanctify you to my liking. So is so happens that we are in that time.

    Covering all this discussion I do not believe in literal time because literal time will make me a slave to my carnal ways and belief systems which is of this world. I said before that God hates flesh.

    Romans 8:7-10
    7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

    If you can manage to take these versus to heart and then realize that the physical, literal earthly man that is Adam One is marked for destruction. That I can tell you 100%.

    So if we start thinking times, days, months and you name all the way the natural world thinks the. We are not of God. The body of the false prophet will convince themselves that they are because they still do not want to be broken vessels, so that they are purified like silver and gold by the Lord of the Sabbath, the sanctifier and the arbitrator of works who is God The Holy Spirit, the Comforter.

    Know you may hate me for this or I may fall out of favor with you because I have just separated my way from the rest of the world that operates by sight, smell, touch, and flesh, but rest assure that man will not quicken my mortal body, it is God the Holy Spirit who will by allowing Him full access into my heart.

    Revelation 3:20
    Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

    Lastly brothers and sisters God does NOT require you to perform physical feets or interpret prophecies for discovery purposes for all He wants IS YOU! That ALL!


  19. May we please prayerfully expound on this comment by Romanempirehealed –

    “The spirtual mark of the beast becomes that of a man of flesh holding onto carnal ways and continuing to make transactions into this world by relying on fleshly paths and merits on what the person can achieve with his right hand per say.”

    So my first question is we need to lay aside the WORD of God and adhere to this ” interpretation” right?

    Was just having this discussion with my son lately on the error of the 7th Day Adventists and their deceptive 666 explanation of receiving this by worshiping on Sunday’s.

    Wow are we ever living in the days Jesus warned of….beware lest any man deceive thee!


  20. Dear beloved Hisown,

    Did I not say that I will be hated or even taken out of favor by the world for separating my ways from the rest of the world.

    Please give a reason for the hope that lies within you, by explaining what I said that was wrong, so that I may be rebuked towards righteousness of the Lord.

    Hisown you said:
    So my first question is we need to lay aside the WORD of God and adhere to this ” interpretation” right?

    Please continue by Preaching the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

    I am accused of laying aside the WORD of God, this is a serious offense to me, are you going to leave it at that???

    Have you become the judge, jury and executioner and have not afforded or suffered your brother to provide a reason for the hope that lies within you, by making a statement like this without making any scriptural correction on my behalf, if I have Errd.

    That is a very serious charge you have layed upon me, I do not want to argue with you Hisown, but I ask to atleast be corrected, if I have been so mistaken, when you state that I have “layed aside the WORD of God”.

    Are you going to discharge your obligation to God as a Christian and instruct me where I went grievously wrong in my interpretation of scripture, to be labelled as such.

    You know Hisown when God judges all of us we are judged not only by what WE SAY to others but most importantly what WE DON’T SAY. The latter is a ploy that lawyers use when they want to smear a defendants stance by making a statement labeling a defendant as a criminal in the sight of the jury, without further elaborating, then the lawyer resumes his seat with saying anything further and leaves an atmosphere of guilt upon the defendant without any justification of that CLAIM.

    Do you know that this is how God judges us all, it is by the silence and spoken words of the heart that God hears and does judge, these are idle spoken words (inner speech) that man is oblivious to.

    Hisown you also stated:
    Was just having this discussion with my son lately on the error of the 7th Day Adventists and their deceptive 666 explanation of receiving this by worshiping on Sunday’s.

    Is this your conclusion from your accusation, that I am a 7th Day Adventist. Let me tell you something about me, I am an Assyrian and our church was founded by Saint Peter on around 37 AD and we have espoused the orthodox teaching layed down directly by a Disciple of Christ Jesus.

    1 Peter 5:12-14
    By Silvanus, a faithful brother unto you, as I suppose, I have written briefly, exhorting, and testifying that this is the true grace of God wherein ye stand. The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son. Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.

    The church is at Babylon still remains remains praise God and it is sustained by the might of God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacoub and Israel.

    The Assyrians and Jews are brothers and so naturally since Christ Jesus spoke Aramiac and most of the alphabet of the current Jewish language is Assyrian script, then who do you think the Word was passed down to First out of all the gentile nations. It is the remnant Assyrian nation (countryless because our Kingdom is Heavenly) that exists today by the Glory of the Almighty God. Remember that God sent Jonah to the men of Nineveh (Assyrians) and do you know what Christ said that the men of Nineveh??

    Matthew 12:41
    The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

    You mentioned seventh day Adventist, when we they established. I can confidently with evidence state that in the last two hundred years all these little breakaway denominations are the harlots daughters and the body of the false prophet, who were instrumental to the falling away from the truth and grace found in Christ Jesus to another gospel and another Jesus.

    Since you introduced the mark of the beast 666 as being Sunday worship, I would like to comment on this if I would, please.

    See I love Hisown and do not get me wrong by saying that I agree with you we are living in deceptive times and let me add that it has been this way for the last 200 hundred years and growing rapidly.

    We observe Sunday and not the 24 hour day that is a created day, but in Spirit as remembrance of the resurrection of our Lord Christ Jesus. We believe that when Christ Jesus was resurrected by God The Father according to Romans 8:11, that He entered the Spiritual Sabbath that God has reserved for the Saints, to enter His rest DAY and to also rest from the flesh and the persecutions of this world (Satan’s dominion). So we spirtually hold onto in our forehead and hearts, to enter into this rest DAY, when our flesh is no more and receive the garments of resurrection. To be with our God like the angels.

    Revelation 21:4
    And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

    Hisown we still do not worship a 24 hour day or any creation for that matter for we have been redeemed from the world and our focus is not on earthly things but on heavenly. So as I mentioned before that our transaction within this world is not fleshly but spiritually for we a guided and instructed by the Spirit of the living God. We do not lay claim or pertain to merits of the flesh for we know that anything that comes good from us is the Father working in us and not us. We are therefore cruccified with Christ and have NO CONFIDENCE in FLESH for we have FORESAKEN out CARNAL ways to that of walking in faith with the Spirit. This is Spirit with a Captical S, please DO NOT forget.

    Hebrews 11:16
    16 But now they desire a better country (Heavenly Israel), that is, an heavenly (Tabernacle): wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city (New Jerusalem in the sky according to Revelation).

    Hebrews 12:22
    But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city (New Jerusalem) of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem (New Jerusalem), and to an innumerable company of angels (we are included in this number for we will become angels unto the Lord our God)

    Colossians 3:1-7
    If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. 2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory (you become and angel) 5 Mortify (cruccify) therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

    So since we are cruccified with Christ we have mortified the deeds after the flesh which are all hated by God and can never attain eternal life in heaven. We once lived according to the flesh Adam ones and were on DEATH ROW until God sent His only begotten Son Christ Jesus to pay the Bail Bond in full at cavalry, so where is a CARNAL thinking MAN, HE WILL GO DOWN TO THE PIT and non shall help him. So the mark of the beast is that of the BEAST meaning FLESH, for if we walk after the flesh then we will DIE. Why? In doing so we close the DOOR of our hearts and refuse GOD entry. So if GOD is not present in us then after the flesh dies, you are thrown into nakedness and darkness that will befall an unclothed SOUL in the eternity (timelessness) of the Spiritual realm. The first death is NOTHING (death of the body) because the pain is momentary but the eternal death is that that is in the Spiritual realm and no one is carrying a stop watch, because time has NO BEARING!

    now that you can see that God is not interested in your flesh, HE WILL KILL IT as He Has vowed “You shall surely DIE!. The only thing that can save you if you fall at Christ’s feet and allow His Spirit to empty all of us of our FILTH (carnal man carnal ways).

    You can now see that man hides everything in the heart but God says to that man GOT YOU! But us mere mortals say to that same man what a nice person but haven’t the slightest of clue to what deceiver lies within (Satan).

    Do not feel that I have rebuked you harshly Hisown, I am in the same boat as you are, but have ONLY chosen to put ALL my faith in GOD and leave everything in His Good Hands.

    Finally Hisown when God created the Sun, the moon, the stars, the earth they weren’t in literal 24 hours days. Why because they were not even defined that is why, the earth probably wasn’t even rotating let alone to know morning from day time because there was darkness everywhere on earth before the first creation day. So what were the days that Gid created the earth in, THEY WERE HEAVENLY DAYS from a heavenly sanctuary and so HIS true Sabbath is a HEAVENLY SABBATH as stated in scripture versus above and therefore you can only enter that rest day if you are invited to the wedding of the lamb of God.

    So in conclusion what did the ancient jews keep the physical 24 hour day, because they lived in the flesh and they were destined to go down to the pit and die. So all of us faced death row until the bail bond was paid in full at Calvary and we know are no tied down to carnal Jewish practices after the flesh and customs and traditions of sacrificing a lamb for blood atonement, but we because filled with the Spirit of the Living God and therefore put our hope and focus on the Heavenly sanctuary and the heavenly Sabbath.

    What the ancient Jews did in the past was not wrong but was a shadow of the things to come that brought the whole world from being Gentiles to that of being Abraham’s seed and heirs to the promise (Galatians 3:29).

    So if we follow carnal commandments after the flesh and customs and traditions we are rejecting the Spirit and placing the Abomination that maketh desolate in the Holy Temple, that we are, and in so doing receiving the spirtual mark of the beats in the forehead and in the right hand (this pertains to man of flesh practices), where God’s SEAL is NOT in the right hand (does not pertain to FLESH) but only is taken in the forehead (for we are cruccified with Christ and all our thoughts are according to spirtual things and not carnal ways).

    Finally beloved Hisown I love you for Christ sake, please read on on:

    Hebrews 10:16-23
    16 This is the covenant (NEW) that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts (SEAL of the living GOD), and in their minds will I write them; (SEAL in the forehead) 17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. 19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (Bail bond paid in full) 20 By a new and living way (Spiritual way and not carnal way), which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil (before it was not available to the ancient Jews through the old covnenant but nor is available to all nations according to the NEW covenant), that is to say, his flesh; 21 And having an high priest over the house of God (in the order of Malkezedec); 22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

    Please Vic and please Hisown and others listen to what the Spirit is saying and harken to your brother you loves you. I did not come to hate or deceive, I only want you to open that door of your heart and let go of carnal ways and practices so that God can SUP with you.

    If you hate me after all this long suffering and patience that God Has shown you through His servant who is a Spiritual Jew, then you can no longer plead ignorance.

    If you accuse me please, please, please instruct me don’t just point the finger then walk away.

    What if you did that in a scenario where you said He did it without saying what then the crowd gathers and kills me by throwing rocks on me, then how is that different to what happened to Saint Stephen when He tried to convince the stiff knock Jews who didn’t even bother hearing him out, for he loved them so much that before dying he said Father forgive them. What more could I say, that I agree with you the devil has certainly deceived many in so much that even scripture when it displeases them will go out of their way throwing stones at their brethren.

    God bless you Hisown and Vic and others I hope and I mean that, that you listen to what the Spirit is saying.


  21. @Romanempirehealed

    I’m glad we all have a place where we can freely share our views on scripture as it pertains to events we see in the world today.

    I am very concerned by some of the things you’ve shared, and I’m very concerned by how you seem to be more interested in attacking people here, sharing your own personal revelation from God and calling us to repentance.

    I’m going to take those in reverse order- first calling us to repentance from our carnal nature – not a bad thing, commended by scripture of course. What good is it though to generally call to repentance people you hardly know? Are you intimately acquaintated with the sin in my life, in Vic’s, in Hisown’s? I really don’t think so, and I think that sort of general repentance browbeating has the effect of putting one person in authority or on some higher spiritual plane over the others.

    You’ve shared many times your own personal revelation from God about what scripture means – The scripture would correct you on this point.
    “knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation.” (2 Peter 1:20 ESV)
    IF at some point some person comes here claiming some new message directly from God – there will be a very very high threshold of evidence that they would have to provide that they had some new word of prophecy to share with us. That has be discussed here, and the person who submitted their prophecy properly spoke about something we could verify – if it doesn’t happen then he is no prophet. It didn’t happen, and sadly that person chose not to continue studying with us, which I regret because he had a sharp analytical mind. I would expect anyone claiming a prophetic gift here to submit in the same way (per Deuteronomy 18)

    Regarding attacks, even veiled ones, on members here, we have no ear for it. Romans 12:18. If one of us here has a need to correct another here it is based on some specific error that the person has said or done here. We don’t correct based on a general supposition that we are all sinners and need to repent, or that we just don’t understand some deep mystery that only some are privy to.

    I hope you will accept my criticism of your posts and prayerfully consider your words before posting in this forum. You are welcome to come here and study the scriptures with us and learn – but I would caution you against presenting some interpretation of scripture here that is vastly divergent from what you are hearing. I don’t believe there is any epidemic of group spiritual blindness or delusion going on here, I have seen many sharp and challenging yet biblical discussions and my bible study and my life have been blessed by them all.

    I was going to say something about the length of your posts- but after this one I would be quite the hypocrite now wouldn’t I, so I apologize for having had that thought.


  22. Romanempirehealed –
    I hope you don’t take this overly harsh, but there are errors in your biblical interpretations that I need to point out that might help you to take a fresh look at scripture, and gain insight into how truly beautiful and simple God’s word is.

    1) God does not negate all things of the body, and this is a dangerous thing to do. See 1 Corinthians 12-20. The body is important, sinful, going to die yes- but the body serves a useful purpose in this life and cannot simply be explained away as some of the ancient greeks were want to do. This is a danger because then everything is spirtual, the physical doesn’t matter – so then sins committed by our physical body don’t matter! See the slippery slope, you negate the body you negate the reality of our sinful nature and the sins we commit while we inhabit this place that is not our home. I’d suggest you prayerfuly meditate over the scripture I cite above and suggest you tone down your logic of negating everything of the body, the flesh, the carnal nature etc.

    2) God does not show us anywhere in scripture a difference between actual days and “spiritual” days or periods of time. When his prophets spoke time and time again they spoke in actual days, weeks, months, years etc – there are too many examples to list here. Why then should we pursue a line of logic that the God who has always sents us messages through his prophets and apostles that were specific to units of time he laid down (he determined how long it took for our earth to go around the sun, he determined how long it took to make one rotation, he named the week according the seven days of creation) – why would he suddenly change it at the fulfillment of the rest of his words, at the culmination of his master plan.

    If my tone is harsh, it is not meant to be – it can often be hard and overly wordy to correct gently.


  23. Romanempirehealed , rebuked hardly? oh harshly no…you just showed me who you really are 🙂

    God’s word EXHORTS me to TEST the spirits and that’s exactly what I am doing , please don’t deny me that right 🙂

    I never accused you of being a 7th day Adventist…..I factually mentioned that there are other groups that s p i r i t u a l i s e 666 as you too noted in your initial post.

    End of discussion on that topic – closed for me anyways.

    You said ” Let me tell you something about me, I am an Assyrian and our church was founded by Saint Peter on around 37 AD and we have espoused the orthodox teaching layed down directly by a Disciple of Christ Jesus. ”

    Assyrian , is this not the same as the ” Chaldeans”? wait that reminds me of a verse 🙂

    Isa 47:1 — Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.

    May the Lord Jesus Christ be the judge here . I have no intention of being baited into a argument with you 🙂

    Pro 13:10 — Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.



  24. Friend justasheep7

    I am accused of laying aside the WORD of God, this is a serious offense to me, are you or Hisown going to leave it at that without elaborating why ? And instructing me where I am wrong?

    The message in my previous post was not attacking anyone in fact I was defending myself against an attack.

    Justasheep7 you on the other hand have turned it around and said that I was attacking.
    Why have you lied and instead of bringing understanding to the matter have sought to side with an attacker and continued the attack. Why?

    Justasherp7 if you did not know that you have just inwardly in the heart perverted all truth, making yourself as judge bearing down on me. So how and where have I Errd or attacked anyone??? You now that this isn’t true so why have you lied justashe7.

    How could you stand in front of God knowing that he sees your heart, where you have shown malice to a brother in Christ Jesus because the words that he quoted from scripture were not pleasing to you.

    Again just like Hisown your bringing another charge on me by stating the following without elaborating and just leaving it at that.

    but I would caution you against presenting some interpretation of scripture here that is vastly divergent from what you are hearing.

    I don’t know here do I take this tone as a solemn threat to shut up because i have been shut down. Are you gagging me because you say that what I have quoted from scripture is divergent according to your belief. If so explain where and please explain how, without opening other context areas of scripture that is completely different to the context that I was discussing. This is deflection justasheep7 a five year old coud discern when he asks his mother for an ice cream but only to be given a banana. That is not what the child asked for mum, you know what I’m talking about. Come on we are grown ups and do not need to go through this cunningness of deflecting the real issue, by using straw mans arguments. I did not come here to argue but to discuss and study scripture. I did not come labelling someone or attacking anyone, inwas attacked and labbeled a 7th day adventist. God can see all this justasheep7 no where to hide what is in your heart.

    Finally I will answer your second post quickly.

    You stated:

    This is a danger because then everything is spirtual, the physical doesn’t matter – so then sins committed by our physical body don’t matter! See the slippery slope, you negate the body you negate the reality of our sinful nature and the sins we commit while we inhabit this place that is not our home.

    This is a typical STRAW MANS argument by saying if you take everything spiritual then the physical doesn’t matter.

    Again it goes back to the discussion of the five year old above. Listen carefully that is NOT WHAT I SAID but you have deliberately put words in my mouth, words that i did not utter, why justasheep7 ? This is sin and is breaking of the commandments of God. It is written do NOT give false witness.

    Your physical body does matter to keep it clean from SINNING that is exactly what it means to be cruccified with Christ, that means you no longer have the desire to do wrong or sin because that flesh (the man of sin) has been mortified. This is what I have been discussing, but you have perverted what i said previously by making it say something that I didn’t say.

    Then once you inadvertently changed what I said, you then went of justifying attacking me by using another straw mans argument, by saying that I negate the body then I negate the reality of sin. Justasheep7 you are on a roll you just literal, you just steeped deeper into sin.

    You by your carnal thinking ways have inadvertidly given false witness twice within the same paragraph and have judges me accordingly in your heart and therefore have broken the commandments of God. You have unwittingly PROVEN what I have been talking about in my previous post about the carnal mind having emnity towards God as stated in scripture.

    This paragraph labelled 1 in your previous post does not answer my question and does not discuss scripture but has been shown as a vehicle for launching an further attack without provocation or justification. This is unchristian like justasheep7 to have come under the judgement of the Lord by the utterances you have made both in the post and most importantly in your heart.

    Lastly you stated:
    2) God does not show us anywhere in scripture a difference between actual days and “spiritual” days or periods of time.

    This is totally fallacious justasheep your a dreamer and have not read scripture.

    2 Peter 3:8
    But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    TIME has no bearing or reference to an eternal God who created the heavens. So the above statement is spiritual because time is insignificant.

    I will not spend more time explaining go back and read my previous posts and then we can discuss scripture within context and not just taking and picking what we feel like because something a brother has pointed out was unpleasant to hear because our pride gets in the way of listening to what the Spirit has to say.

    We are the children of God if we do not fall down at the feet of Christ and accept to go through the rehabilitation program established and arbitrated by God the Holy Spirit who will dash our pride and clean us of the putrid carnal man that we are to mould us in a new creation to live in a spiritual way of life and never after the flesh (meaning of born agan in Spirit).

    You are redeemed by the blood of the lamb of God. Before as criminals (Adam ones) we were convicted and ready to be put to death (death row). God sents His beloved Son Christ Jesus to be the sacrifice to end all sacrifices and therefore pay the bail bond in full at Calvary. Once you are cleared of being a law breaker by the blood of the lamb ( 100% justified) you need to come and SUP with God in order to be rehabilitated because YES you are sick even though your pride doesn’t want to admit it. This is opening the door to ones heart for God the Holy Spirir to break you into a broken vessel so that any blemishes are burnt away and at the same time the letter of the law doesn’t come down on you. Since you are on rehab you are pardoned from the law because you have chosen God to work on you therefore you are no more a criminal, you are being reformed into a new creation. That is why in Hebrews God says, Hebrews 10:16 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

    God will only pardon you from the letter of the aw that no one has kept faithfully except Christ Jesus. Why have all broken the law inwardly in the heart and our righteous is as filthy rags. So the baptism of fire is the rehabilitation program to reform a law breaker to that who will keep the commandments inwardly in the heart regardless of the letter of e law.

    An example of this in the real world is how many people obey the law because there is a penalty? Most people of not all ! Now take away the letter of the law (carnal commandments) then what do you have? Anarchy and every law being broken, why? Because the people even though obey the law outwardly because of the fear of punishment are still law breakers in the sight of God because the laws are not written in their minds and hearts and therefore the circumcision is inwardly of the heart, THIS IS THE SEAL of GOD.


  25. No Hisown,
    No Chaldeans!

    Syriac Orthodox Church is one of the ancient churches of the world. According to the New Testament “The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.” (Acts 11:26-30).

    Act 11:26-30
    And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. 27 And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch. 28 And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar. 29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea: 30 Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul.




  26. Okay, I did not read these comments for a day or two.
    I echo Justasheep’s comments. You are free to share your views on prophetic events, put personal remarks and personal attacks will not be accepted. I share the concerns by Hisown and Justasheep. The Bible is the final authority on this site. Just to point out what happens if the Bible loose credibility, this is what you’ve said:

    “Finally Hisown when God created the Sun, the moon, the stars, the earth they weren’t in literal 24 hours days…. So what were the days that Gid created the earth in, THEY WERE HEAVENLY DAYS… ”

    Now lets see if your statement holds up when compared to the final authority, the Bible:

    Gen 1:5, 1:8, 1:13, 1:19, 1:23, 1:31, six times God says the following: “And the evening and the morning were the first day.” How do we define days up to today. Yup, you got it, evenings and mornings. No confusion or even reason to believe otherwise here.

    As God created time and He himself is not bound by time, there is no such things as heavenly days. Time came into existence at creation. Time is for us.


  27. Not so fast Vic your sequence is way out if you want to take genesis literal!

    For starters
    Genesis 1:14-19
    14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the
    light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

    The hours, days, seasons, years are defined on Day 4, before this day they were not defined and so your theory of evening and the morning falls away from any literal logic interpretation, doesn’t it ?

    Secondly the evening and morning came in the first day when there is no reference being made to the seasons in day four. If we take your literal interpretation then we have to say that in order for there to be seasons the earth must start spinning on its axis according to those seasons. So here according to your literal interpretation we have a stationary dead planet not spinning at all. All we can conclude from day one is that on one side of the planet the sun shone and on the other it did not, so to reference light and darkness.

    Lastly there is nothing to say that we are talking about 24 hour days you just presume that they were, even though today we have leap year to correct for the loss of a day, we cannot say 24 hour day. We therefore cannot say 24 hour day for day 1, 2 and 3 of creation.

    The word evening and morning or YOM or YOU-MA refers to mans days and that was starting from the sixth day. However the days that God created the earth and stars are heavenly days therefore spiritual because we were not even there when he created the stars, sun earth moon, so if something was not defined outside of our existence the evening and morning could not be human by origin, but Devine.

    Take for example all the billions of stars and galaxies God created that move in a different orbit and some have constant days and some constant nights and some have weeks, months years compared to our 24 hour days as their full revolution time.

    I will tell you what scripture tells us in
    2 Peter 3:8
    But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    So that throws out the 24 hour day that you must tie every single planet ever created by God to adhere to your literal theory. An eternal God does not need time and is not restricted in any way shape or form in time full stop.

    The only reference or understanding of God’s evening and morning is this: before on the earth was darkness and when God’s light came upon the earth because God is light then there was a break in the pitch black darkness by the dawn of a new age of evening and morning not a literal physical day.


  28. If the 6 days of creation can not be taken literally, what gives us the assurance that the rest of the Bible and the redemption of sinful man by Jesus can be taken literally? I find it very dangerous to even question one word in the Bible as that is how deception is born. I will stick with 6×24 hour days, thank you. My God could have created everything in one second, but he chose to do it in 6 days. That is enough for me.
    Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom – let your email find you!


  29. Let the Word of God be true, and every man a liar. After reading the comments in this post, I knew that the error in what Romanempirehealed has been posting would be challenged. I have personally been blessed by those who steadfastly hold true to the Word of God. There is so very much deception in our World today.

    Wickus, may you and the Warriors for Christ continue to keep up the Good Fight!

    God Bless you all!


  30. Zechariah 14:6-9
    and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. 6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. 9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

    Vic here Zechariah is talking about the coming of the lord and the habitation of the saints in New Jerusalem. Again you see the term used as THAT DAY, ONE DAY, NOT DAY, NOR NIGHT, at EVENING TIME it shall be light. If you took that day as 24 hours and evening as our literal evening, then you would start trying to pull your hair out to try and make all these conditions match.

    Vic listen this is the Spiritual realm no longer is it a DAY (24 hours), it is THAT DAY where the significance alludes to a timeless existence not dictated by the hours of the day. It further confirms that it is ONE DAY meaning does not tick over or count down like a literal time piece, because it is not dictated by time (alludes to eternity) and not night or day alludes to a non physical mechanical cycle (because it is the spirtual realm). Finally one defining part is that it will be always pleasant like the evening time (comparative to physical realm but not physical realm if you understand). Here the living waters are in summer and winter, these do not allude to literal seasons either, but give symbolic meaning as the waters will be available all year round and also not a physical year if you understand.

    Friend the spiritual realm is completely different to the physical yet the scripture tells us that we are the shadow of it and therefore the source is the spirtual realm and we are a finite within the infinite. So if we are to become more finite then we become more and more insignificant to the function.

    Think like this analogy a mathematical function that can cater for infinite finite points is not dictated by the finite point, but think for a moment if you were not part of that function formulae for example, you then become a finite point dictated by other finite points that dictate your place in TIME, SPACE and MOTION. However if you were part of that function then the TIME, SPACE, and MOTION, no longer dictates your reality because you can be at any of those finite points in motion, irregardless of TIME (time has frozen and has no bearing).

    When Christ came into the room where His disciples were He did not open doors or windows, He just assumed a position in TIME, SPACE and MOTION (He holds the key to the infinite function that no man holds) and He was just there irregardless of the literal time piece or physical laws of our finite understanding. He ate and drank and was every part real of that role in time and space that He took on.

    So when we are with our God we no longer become the finite points in time and space, we become connected to the infinite creator as Angels of the Lord and we can be at any point irregardless of TIME, therefore time has no bearing in eternity.

    It is very hard to convince you Vic because we are all finite beings and once we are connected to the creator who is infinite we are given keys like the Angels to open doors and play any role within the physical (spirtual body) without regarding time, time is insignificant, has no meaning.

    Finally your last comment was another straw man’s argument Vic. You said:
    I find it very dangerous to even question one word in the Bible as that is how deception is born.

    There was never an an intention to question the Word of God, because you have made this statement, you have made it sound that I did. This is not true Vic, and the deception is not questioning the Word, the real danger is of listening to the Word of God in its entirety.

    Remember God said ask and it shall be answered. God is saying ask me what you want to know about me, ask me so that I can give you the heavenly bread, so that you can be satisfied and not be hungry. Ask of things that are above. Establish a living and real relationship with God, ask ask ask!

    He is the Greatest teacher.


  31. What I meant is NOT listening to the word of God.

    There was never an an intention to question the Word of God, because you have made this statement, you have made it sound that I did. This is not true Vic, and the deception is not questioning the Word, the real danger is of NOT listening to the Word of God in its entirety.


  32. What is the meaning of the following: “SHLA-MA-LOUK ROU-KHA-ED-KOOT-SHA”

    God went through all the trouble to make known that the creation days was timed in mornings and evenings. That is enough for me to believe that the earth was created in 6 x morning and evening cycles known as days. There is no mystery here. Just as I trust God that he will keep me and take me to His presence when I die, so I trust Him that everything was created in 6×24 hour days. An attack on Genesis is an attack on the Bible.

    Hey Mr Baldy, we missed you!


  33. Mr Baldy….yeah you let us battle it out didn’t ya! LOL

    I just love how over the years we have all come to know each other by the fruits and genuine walk with the Lord. I want to thank-you all for the most amazing five years of fellowship, exhortation, and edifying each other as we see the day of the Lord approaching and the signs that precede that.

    I love the sweet smelling fragrance that abides here 🙂

    Vic thank-you boetie for allowing us to fellowship here in spirit and truth and true agape love.


  34. why i come here too Hisown. i appreciate that the Truth is heralded on this site but is given in Grace. we know that john 1:4 teaches us that they belong together because Jesus is the Sum Total of both. God bless my brothers and sisses @ unsealed prophecy. i pray for you all (like i pray for myself) to have the Spirit’s Wisdom and Love to guide what i think, do, and say. i am in continual need for these things and when it is me that responds in my flesh i know yall will be faithful to show me better in the Lord–for that i say thanks.


  35. Hello Vic and brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus

    You asked what is the meaning of the following:
    SHLA-MA-LOUK = Peace be upon You = Shalom
    ROU-KHA-ED-KOOT-SHA = Spirit Holy in Aramaic way and Holy Spirit in English

    Read below you will find interesting the language that our Lord Spoke.
    Also the modern Hebrew uses Assyrian (Aramiac) script but has modified the way it writes them. If you look at modern Hebrew it is an upside down mirror image of Aramaic alphabet with slightly different sounding alphabets even though they are written exactly the same.

    Also the word Alpha-Bet in English is derived from Alaf meaning A and Bet meaning B.
    The letters also signify a meaning such as Alef meaning first and Bet meaning house.

    Below you will find interesting reading:

    Remember, as one of the first Christians (a couple years after the life of Christ), you speak one of the oldest, rarest language in the world. The language of God!!! Be proud of that. It is the root language of hebrew, arabic, turkish, and the alphabet for farsi (Persian), urdu (Pakistan/Indian), and greek. Aramaic replaced our ancient brethren’s language, Akkadian (the oldest semetic language) around 1000 B.C.. The aramaic script was in turn derived from the Phonecians who probably extracted it from Canaan. After the Assyrians accepted the language of the Aramaens, Aramaic became the lingua franca of Mesopotamia and the whole middle-east. The word Aramaic comes from the word Aram, the son of Shem (of which the word SHE-MAA-YAA (Semetic) is derived).

    There are two major dialects, Western (also refered to as palastinian dialectŒ (the dialect of EE-SHO (Jesus)) and Eastern (also referred to as “Syriac dialect” (“Syriac” is a dialect of Aramaic, not a language. Syriac also has Akkadian influences)). To say Modern Aramaic or Modern Syriac, you must be consistent and say Modern Hebrew, Modern English, Modern Greek, etc. for all languages follow the law of evolution. “Modern” is omitted when referring to any language. However, our language comparitivly has changed very little in 2000 years, especially lituraturally and liturgically.

    Parts of the bible were written in aramaic, including the books of Erza and Daniel. The famous writing on the wallŒ, which was seen by Nebuchadnezzar’s grandson, Belshazzar, told of the fall of Babylon. Later that night, Belshazar died and Cyrus the Persian and Darius the Mede conquered Babylon. The famous painting by Rembrandt incorrectly showed the handwriting as hebrew, because he could not find people who knew the script (He should have asked any Assyrian). The famous last words of Jesus were in his native tounge, aramaic,
    (E-LEE E-LEE L-MAA-NAA SAA-BAACH-TAA-NEE) = (My God, my God, why have you forsaken me).

    Celebrate the native tounge of Jesus, the language He preached in, the language of the Assyrians. The language is so valued that it is extensivly studied at the vatican and taught in ivy league schools such as Harvard University and the University of Chicago (just to name a couple). Learn to read and write as He did. It is an absorbing feeling. Challenge yourself to find a more asthetically beautiful script. Alaha minokhoon (God be with (all of) you).

    God bless those that love Gid and obey his commandments


  36. Mr Baldy
    You appear to have the respect of humans, so this would appear that you are a mature upstanding man in this world and respected by your pears.

    So I have no desire of taking away what is yours you can keep it, and the rest of the world that Satan lays claim to.

    I tell you something about me, I am disrespected by my own family hated by others yet loved by God. You may ask how do I know that? Simple discern the spirit of this age it is not friendly to the true believers in Christ Jesus. As scripture tells us that those that are of this world are taken care of by this world and those that aren’t are rejected and persecuted for being different, because they do not conform to man of this world (Satan in disguise).

    For the Lord said in Matthew 16:24-26
    If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

    Romans 12:2-5
    And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

    John 15:18-21
    If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.

    Matthew 10:22
    And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

    Lastly there appears in you Mr Baldy a man of sin who has just cast a stone and ran away without any justification or warrant.

    You behave like those of this world and the lawyers of this world ever casting stones and walking away from the fight. The cowardice is shown in men who love not God, because when they speak with their serpants tongues to beguile, they accuse and then do not give any reasoning for the hope tha lays within them, if there is any. In many cases I see the sin of many is not what they say in their false accusations but in WHAT THEY DON’T SAY, these are the idle words that God will judge everyone with.

    Mr Baldy as witnesses that be here in the name of Christ Jesus I truly forgive you your transgressions towards me.

    Just one last final thing, when you call me DECEIVER and walk away without saying or giving reason as to why?
    Then others also take up a stone also and cast it on me to kill me spiritually then how different are you to Saul when he was a sinner who watched Saint Stephen die at his feet.

    Think about it carefully.

    Though shalt not bear FALSE WITNESS
    Though shalt not KILL

    Because I was a sinner but are now on rehabilitation being clensed of the carnal man I once was, I stand here in the sight of the Lord forgiving you as did Saint Stephen when he said father forgive them.


  37. Errrr Mr Baldy is LOVED and RESPECTED as the rest of the believers are here. We HONOR those that FEAR the Lord as Psalms 15 exhorts us too and yes that is what God calls the body to do- don’t deny us that right either please sir 🙂

    Okay so shall we list the immense losses , trials , tribulations , pain and sufferings and then compare notes to see just HOW WE MEASURE UP TO WHO HAS SUFFERED MORE since surrendering to Christ? wow , this is unbelievable !

    1Cr 2:2 — For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

    If one in the body hurts WE ALL HURT!

    I am deeply offended sir ( in your DOMINANCE over his flock here ) and need you to know that I have no intentions of listing the ( at times ) unbearable cost of following Christ for the past almost 20 years. It has cost me my all but i don’t wear this on my chest as some purple heart. Christ will reward me as His word promises He will.

    Mat 19:29 — And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

    Time to hit the knees with Galatians – Chapter 5 as my compass.

    All that know me ( personally and over the yrs of posting ) KNOW that this knee bends to NONE other than the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and that ain’t changing now or any time in the near future…no matter what that may cost me 🙂 so sorriee !

    Ok I am like so done 🙂

    Boetie bid vir my asb!


  38. Mr Romanempirehealed, may I ask you to keep your comments on the subject at hand and not discuss individuals on this site. Mr Baldy is a respected member of this small community and is not on trial by you or anyone else. Who gives you the right to accuse someone you don’t know?

    Please comment on the subject at hand and leave the posters personal life alone. We are accountable to Jesus and not to you or anyone else.


  39. Amen Boetie.

    Ye know quite well the times as a JW we were CONSTANTLY ORDERED to OBEY the elders without question as they are the “overseer’s of the flock right tttt?

    I’m wondering if the NAR Apostles learn’t this self same concept from them ya think? that’s rhetorical anyways 🙂

    Thank -you for protecting the flock Vic …..


  40. We are charged to hate wha is evil and expose it in the light of the Lord so that He will be His might destroy it once and for all.

    I haven’t seen you holding back attacks on me since all I have done is defended against attacks labeling me as a law breaker laying aside God’s Word, a seventh day Adventist or let’s define it best an apostate and a deceiver by Mr Baldy. It seems you too have broken God’s commandment by siding with stone throwers who I have defended myself against by using the sword of the Spirit. Your sin is that you took favoritism to heart and God is my witness, otherwise why would you not rebuke evil and stone throwers.

    I no longer will argue with you or others, since Hisown already put out a gagging order against me because the scripture that I was discussion was apparently not to his liking, not that he could defend himself or position with scripture that rebuked me for being wrong, but that which is an ideology born straight from the twisting of scripture that Scoffield perpetrated to his detriment.

    I could say many things, I think I have shown enough to define your ways as very much carnal and that is not to say that I am bett than you, on the contrary I was once very much carnal minded like you and others, not discerning spirtual from literal. This discussion has been all about how you interpret the Word, your assertion that it is literal when clearly I have shown that much of the Bible is Spirtual because God is Spirit (John 4:24).

    I leave you with this thought if I diverged from Christianity going back to the time of Saint Peter then prove your point using scripture within context and let us discuss it like Christians. I you hold veamitly to the doctrine of rapture, per-trib and earthly reign then your theology is summarized by the last 200 years of apostate doctrine coming from all these breakaway denominations that wanted to serve another Jesus and another gospel.

    If you do not understand that this earth and physical realm and life will be destroyed and a second version of Eden is in the future with Adam 2s then you are in the realm of the delusions. Go back and study what I have discussed and come back with gentlemen like discussion rather than straw man’s arguments and resorting to stone throwing. Come on we are in the 21st century instead of physical stone today the sons of perdition use the defying tongue that is of the fire right from hell.


  41. So you are calling us evil? You have appointed yourself as a judge over us to expose the evil? Now you are exposing my sin as favoritism? Oh, I forgot, Jacob 2:6 says “Though shalt not have favorites.”

    The internet is big. Go bother another site so that they also can “hate” you as you like to say. Three things stand out in your comments: 1) You believe that only you have the truth. 2) You start to accuse people of hating you/truth and try to build a guilt trip with the readers. 3) You judge everyone who do not bow down before your words. Well sir, on this site we bow down to Jesus and Him only. My Bible says that the accuser of the brethren is satan. If that is an offence to you, so be it. Our God leads us to the truth in love, not by accusing.

    I bid you a save journey. Goodbye.


  42. Hello Wickus, Hisown, Mathieu, and others………

    I have been away for just a short moment dealing with the recent death of my mother, trying to get closer to God, and just viewing just how really short life is as a whole. I want to thank you guys for standing up for me in what appears to be an unwarranted attack.

    Romanempirehealed, if you’ll re-read the comments that I made, I never personally attacked you. I never called you a deceiver, as you claim that I have. What I did say is that there is a lot of deception in our World today. I’ve been away for a few weeks, so I don’t know how long you’ve been posting – or how valuable you input has been, but I will say that if you post something on this site that appears to be contrary to the Word of God – you will be checked, by the Body of Christ. I’m sure you have noticed that this site has a few students of the bible, who not only love the Word of God, but are very knowledgeable concerning the issues with eternal life, and eschatology.

    If I have offened you by what I have presented, then I must apologize, as this was not my intent, In the past, I may have returned insults, (just ask Hisown – LOL) but I have realized that it’s not about me, not even close. Eternity is at hand, and life is so very short – we all must be about our Father’s business.

    Mathieu if you would like to email me, my email address is:
    I don’t know if I can provide you with any revelant insight or not, as I have never been dogmatic about any views that I have had – and often I have been wrong, But prayerfully I’m sure that God will provide us with the things that He will have us to know.


  43. Mr Baldy I am so sorry to hear of your loss. I too have just lost my dad- what’s worse is he died without surrendering to Christ . 😦

    I need to say one last thing to Romanempirehealed and that is I questioned you in two areas where I asked ” What`s this about a `double portion anointing“? of which you totally ignored to answer and secondly wanted to know why you spiritualise the # 666 in this your comment ” “The spirtual mark of the beast becomes that of a man of flesh holding onto carnal ways and continuing to make transactions into this world by relying on fleshly paths and merits on what the person can achieve with his right hand per say.”

    God’s Word has given me all the authority to search the scriptures daily and that is my God given right to question, test and prove anything and anybody- period.

    Peace to you and may the Lord God be the judge and the intentions here.


  44. Thanks Vic this was in my humble opinion another case of trying to wear out the saints. As you said there are plenty of other sites out there to bother besides this one.


  45. so sorry to hear of the passing of your dad Hisown. oh be comforted in the amazing Love and Grace of Jesus Who knows our every hurt and sorrow. you, mr baldy, my family (no doubt others who have not mentioned it) are suffering sorrow-some of us very recently and it seems only the beginning of sorrows in this life has come to us-to all of us really. when the Body hurts we all hurt do we not? Lord please pour Grace and Mercy over us as we are Your Blood Bought people whose every hope and longing is found in You Alone. we are not of this world–we were made for Your courts. in all our trials Lord we know that You Abide in us and with us to make us as vessels set apart unto your Honor and Glory. may we live thankfully in the Work of Your Spirit that purifies our souls in trial and temptation. i love you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. john 16:33–be of good cheer-He has Overcome……


  46. My sis you have blessed me beyond words with the Word of God and yes my heart is comforted as He reminds me daily that our lives are but a vapor. Thank-you for your agape love for the brethren… shows 🙂
    We love and appreciate you!


  47. Mr. Baldy,

    I’m sorry to hear about the loss of your mother as well. Praying that the Lord will comfort you and grieve with you as we all do.

    The more I watch, the more convinced I am though that we don’t have long yet to wait before we are reunited in the Lord with those who have already gone to him.

    I have to apologize for an earlier post where I recommended someone review a passage from 1 Corinthians, it was 1 Corinthians 6 12-20. I left out the chapter reference in error. I’d been spending a lot of time in that passage in my local study group recently when this whole spirit/flesh controversy was raised.


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