The following is comments by Mr Baldy on a questions by STW. This deserves a post as I do not want this to vanish into the comments section. Please take the time to read it and pray about it:
Question by STW originally asked for Scott:
Can you clarify this for me?:
“…70th Week, a “week” of 7 years, begins on the day that the abomination that causes desolation occurs. It would then include the 42 month long great tribulation, the 1335 “day” that consists of Jesus’ 1000 year long reign on earth and a 3 1/2 year long “short season” when Satan is loosed from prison which will enable him to once again go out across the face of the earth whispering lies of deception into the ears of men.”
OK, I get the first part, about the 70th week starting with the abomination of desolation and including the 42 months. It’s what you’ve said about the 1335 “day” that consists of Jesus’ 1000 year long reign on earth part that I don’t understand and about how that is included in the 70th week. As well as Satan’s last gig (after he is turned loose from being imprisoned for 1,000 years) being 3 1/2 years long.
I guess I’ve always thought of those extra days (mentioned in Daniel, the extra days that total 75) coming at the end of the 7 year long 70th week–the 1260 days of the Great Tribulation plus these extra days when stuff is ‘cleaned up’ and then the 1,000 year reign of Jesus starts. I think that is the ‘traditional’ view.
Answer by Mr Baldy:
I know I’m not Scott…but I believe that Scott and I share a few similar views. I’m going to respond to your concerns, if I may.
First, if you’ll notice in Scripture that the only time that a 7 year time frame is given, (concerning the End Times); is when the coming Antichrist confirms a “Covenant with Many”. Other End Time passages of Scripture mention a 3.5 year time frame – even Jesus Himself never refers to a 7 year time frame; but does point to the A0D.
When viewing the fact that we have a literal 7 year “Covenant with Many” in place – and it is currently active; we must consider all possibilities as it relates to End Time Prophecy, and that the so-called Bible Prophecy Scholars may have gotten it wrong.
Keep in mind that all of these strange things are happening, and again, we have a 7 year “Covenant with Many” that is active, and the Revived Roman Empire (EU) is responsible for carrying out it’s purpose. By strange things, I mean the World Wide Economic crisis, the wars, earthquakes, political and social uprisings…etc. These things cannot be overlooked like it’s just business as usual. We are certainly living in a period of Time like no other.
I have a different view as far as how End Time events will transpire, as it relates to traditional teachings. First of all in viewing Revelation 13, I don’t think that we have two End Time players here. I personally believe that it is a “Beast System” that is spoken of, and a single man who takes control of this same Beast System and carries out what Scripture says will happen. Let me explain……
If you think about it, the uprooting of the 3 nations will have to come from an Empire, a “Beast Empire” such as we now see in the EU. It appears to be an Economic uprooting, in order to keep the Beast Empire or System alive. I really don’t believe that we have two men running things – ie; the Antichrist, and a False Prophet. This Beast System appears to rise, and a single man or Antichrist aka False Prophet – who I believe are one and the same – takes over as the Beast System by economic means sets things in place for him. They want/need “one voice” to speak for this Beast Empire in order to carry out what has been written in Scripture.
We now need to take a look at Revelation 17:11-13; which reads:
11) The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition. 12) “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13) These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.
I believe that the aforementioned passage of Scripture has been partially fulfilled when the WEU turned over it’s power to the EU, and will have a future fulfilment when the coming Antichrist is revealed. This is further evidence why I believe that it is a Beast System that will work with a single End Time player that will be the “one voice” for this final Empire.
Where Scott and I agree on is that the start of the 70th week may be different from the enactment of the 7 year Covenant with Many – but overlap at some point that includes the A0D. We further agree that the conclusion of the 70th week – whether only 3.5 years remain, or 7 actual years will be completed after the Millennial Reign of Christ; and the subsequent “little season” that Satan is let loose to deceive the Nations in the final Gog/Magog war. This means that the literal 1,000 year Reign of Christ here on Earth may be counted as “one day” – as far as satisfying the requirement for the 70 weeks listed in Daniel 9:24.
Let’s take a look at 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 – which reads:
20) But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21) For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23) But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, 24) then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25) For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26) The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27) For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28) When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.
If you’ll notice in verse 24 of the aforementioned passage of Scripture is speaks of the “END”. This is after Christ has Reigned, and then He hands over the kingdom to God the Father. You see, as Scripture mentions….Christ must Reign, and the last enemy to be destroyed is death. Death, sin, and rebellion will continue throughout the Millennial Reign – so it is my very humble opinion that the requirements listed in Daniel 9:24 will not have been completed until Christ has Reigned, and has completed His mission by destroying the last enemy – to include Satan; in which He then hands the Kingdom over to God the Father.
STW asks another question that Mr Baldy answers as follows:
You indeed bring up an interesting point when you say:
“The 69 weeks were 7 weeks of years, right? As in 483 years long, so to me it makes sense that the 70th week would also be that as well–7 years. To me it simply doesn’t make sense that the first 69 would be 7 years long and then the last one different. Dan 9:24 starts out talking about 70 weeks, and the passage goes on to flesh that out, the way I see it. First 7 are discussed, then 62, then one week re a ‘covenant’, so I can see why the majority of people think that the covenant and the 70th week are one and the same.”
After reading your comments, I ask the question(s): Then why do we have a gap? Why did this last 7 year period not run consecutively with the previous 69 weeks?
Some want to connect this final 7 years to the Covenant with Many that is to be confirmed by the coming Antichrist – I’m not so sure about that.
I also question that if Jesus was a central part to the beginning of the 70 weeks being decreed, and carried out – then why would everything have to be completed prior to His 2nd Coming?
Although I’m not dogmatic about anything I post, I’m sure some of the writings concerning End Times are absolutely wrong. I mean a case can be made that if everything was as crystal clear as they seem to make it, then we would know without a doubt the exact time frame that Christ is to return…..I mean think about it
1) We would see the re-built Temple
2) We would see the Two Witnesses
3) We would know that the Rapture had occurred
4) We would know who the Antichrist is prior to his revelation – (meaning 666 would be obvious)
5) We would recognize a One World Government/Religion
All I can say is, that if these things are going to be so obvious – then I guess that there would be no need for Christ to warn the Church that He is coming like a “thief in the night” – so keep your oil lamps lit; or warn us about the A0D – or that people will be living and carrying on life just like the days of Noah. Or better yet….how about NO man knows the day or hour of His Return.
I truly believe that you will see this “Beast System” rise – who again, I believe is the beast from the sea spoken of in the 1st half of Revelation 13; and it will be the final Empire before the Return of Christ. If Italy, and Greece have been “subdued” and a third horn is yet to follow – then I would ask we who are watching: “How could the Beast System not be what Scripture is referring to – instead of looking for a man to carry out this mission?”
I further see a man “coming back to power” for 3.5 years. There will be no man who will all of a sudden appear on the scene to have the answers to the world’s problems, and then subsequently rule the World. That’s sort of ridiculous in my thinking. I believe that he will “be given power to continue” , just as Scripture states – which means that at some point he would have had a Position of Power and Authority over the “Beast System” previously. Let me also be clear and say that I don’t believe that it can be supported with Scripture that he will be working behind the scenes to obtain his coming Position – although this may very well be the case.
In closing, we must remember that Christ Himself gives us a crucial clue; in that He points to the A0D – the rest may not be seen until that particular point. Let’s stay focused, so that that Day will not catch us by unawares.
Comment by Wickus:
Mr Baldy did share this with me before, but I have failed to understand it in full. Thank you Mr B.