The 70th week, 7 year covenant, 42 months and millennium reign.

The following is comments by Mr Baldy on a questions by STW. This deserves a post as I do not want this to vanish into the comments section. Please take the time to read it and pray about it:

Question by STW originally asked for Scott:

Can you clarify this for me?:

“…70th Week, a “week” of 7 years, begins on the day that the abomination that causes desolation occurs. It would then include the 42 month long great tribulation, the 1335 “day” that consists of Jesus’ 1000 year long reign on earth and a 3 1/2 year long “short season” when Satan is loosed from prison which will enable him to once again go out across the face of the earth whispering lies of deception into the ears of men.”

OK, I get the first part, about the 70th week starting with the abomination of desolation and including the 42 months. It’s what you’ve said about the 1335 “day” that consists of Jesus’ 1000 year long reign on earth part that I don’t understand and about how that is included in the 70th week. As well as Satan’s last gig (after he is turned loose from being imprisoned for 1,000 years) being 3 1/2 years long.

I guess I’ve always thought of those extra days (mentioned in Daniel, the extra days that total 75) coming at the end of the 7 year long 70th week–the 1260 days of the Great Tribulation plus these extra days when stuff is ‘cleaned up’ and then the 1,000 year reign of Jesus starts. I think that is the ‘traditional’ view.

Thanks!

Answer by Mr Baldy:

Hi STW,

I know I’m not Scott…but I believe that Scott and I share a few similar views. I’m going to respond to your concerns, if I may.

First, if you’ll notice in Scripture that the only time that a 7 year time frame is given, (concerning the End Times); is when the coming Antichrist confirms a “Covenant with Many”. Other End Time passages of Scripture mention a 3.5 year time frame – even Jesus Himself never refers to a 7 year time frame; but does point to the A0D.

When viewing the fact that we have a literal 7 year “Covenant with Many” in place – and it is currently active; we must consider all possibilities as it relates to End Time Prophecy, and that the so-called Bible Prophecy Scholars may have gotten it wrong.

Keep in mind that all of these strange things are happening, and again, we have a 7 year “Covenant with Many” that is active, and the Revived Roman Empire (EU) is responsible for carrying out it’s purpose. By strange things, I mean the World Wide Economic crisis, the wars, earthquakes, political and social uprisings…etc. These things cannot be overlooked like it’s just business as usual. We are certainly living in a period of Time like no other.

I have a different view as far as how End Time events will transpire, as it relates to traditional teachings. First of all in viewing Revelation 13, I don’t think that we have two End Time players here. I personally believe that it is a “Beast System” that is spoken of, and a single man who takes control of this same Beast System and carries out what Scripture says will happen. Let me explain……

If you think about it, the uprooting of the 3 nations will have to come from an Empire, a “Beast Empire” such as we now see in the EU. It appears to be an Economic uprooting, in order to keep the Beast Empire or System alive. I really don’t believe that we have two men running things – ie; the Antichrist, and a False Prophet. This Beast System appears to rise, and a single man or Antichrist aka False Prophet – who I believe are one and the same – takes over as the Beast System by economic means sets things in place for him. They want/need “one voice” to speak for this Beast Empire in order to carry out what has been written in Scripture.

We now need to take a look at Revelation 17:11-13; which reads:

11) The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition. 12) “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13) These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.

I believe that the aforementioned passage of Scripture has been partially fulfilled when the WEU turned over it’s power to the EU, and will have a future fulfilment when the coming Antichrist is revealed. This is further evidence why I believe that it is a Beast System that will work with a single End Time player that will be the “one voice” for this final Empire.

Where Scott and I agree on is that the start of the 70th week may be different from the enactment of the 7 year Covenant with Many – but overlap at some point that includes the A0D. We further agree that the conclusion of the 70th week – whether only 3.5 years remain, or 7 actual years will be completed after the Millennial Reign of Christ; and the subsequent “little season” that Satan is let loose to deceive the Nations in the final Gog/Magog war. This means that the literal 1,000 year Reign of Christ here on Earth may be counted as “one day” – as far as satisfying the requirement for the 70 weeks listed in Daniel 9:24.

Let’s take a look at 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 – which reads:

20) But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21) For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23) But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, 24) then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25) For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26) The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27) For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28) When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

If you’ll notice in verse 24 of the aforementioned passage of Scripture is speaks of the “END”. This is after Christ has Reigned, and then He hands over the kingdom to God the Father. You see, as Scripture mentions….Christ must Reign, and the last enemy to be destroyed is death. Death, sin, and rebellion will continue throughout the Millennial Reign – so it is my very humble opinion that the requirements listed in Daniel 9:24 will not have been completed until Christ has Reigned, and has completed His mission by destroying the last enemy – to include Satan; in which He then hands the Kingdom over to God the Father.

STW asks another question that Mr Baldy answers as follows:

Hi STW,

You indeed bring up an interesting point when you say:

“The 69 weeks were 7 weeks of years, right? As in 483 years long, so to me it makes sense that the 70th week would also be that as well–7 years. To me it simply doesn’t make sense that the first 69 would be 7 years long and then the last one different. Dan 9:24 starts out talking about 70 weeks, and the passage goes on to flesh that out, the way I see it. First 7 are discussed, then 62, then one week re a ‘covenant’, so I can see why the majority of people think that the covenant and the 70th week are one and the same.”

After reading your comments, I ask the question(s): Then why do we have a gap? Why did this last 7 year period not run consecutively with the previous 69 weeks?

Some want to connect this final 7 years to the Covenant with Many that is to be confirmed by the coming Antichrist – I’m not so sure about that.

I also question that if Jesus was a central part to the beginning of the 70 weeks being decreed, and carried out – then why would everything have to be completed prior to His 2nd Coming?

Although I’m not dogmatic about anything I post, I’m sure some of the writings concerning End Times are absolutely wrong. I mean a case can be made that if everything was as crystal clear as they seem to make it, then we would know without a doubt the exact time frame that Christ is to return…..I mean think about it

1) We would see the re-built Temple

2) We would see the Two Witnesses

3) We would know that the Rapture had occurred

4) We would know who the Antichrist is prior to his revelation – (meaning 666 would be obvious)

5) We would recognize a One World Government/Religion

All I can say is, that if these things are going to be so obvious – then I guess that there would be no need for Christ to warn the Church that He is coming like a “thief in the night” – so keep your oil lamps lit; or warn us about the A0D – or that people will be living and carrying on life just like the days of Noah. Or better yet….how about NO man knows the day or hour of His Return.

I truly believe that you will see this “Beast System” rise – who again, I believe is the beast from the sea spoken of in the 1st half of Revelation 13; and it will be the final Empire before the Return of Christ. If Italy, and Greece have been “subdued” and a third horn is yet to follow – then I would ask we who are watching: “How could the Beast System not be what Scripture is referring to – instead of looking for a man to carry out this mission?”

I further see a man “coming back to power” for 3.5 years. There will be no man who will all of a sudden appear on the scene to have the answers to the world’s problems, and then subsequently rule the World. That’s sort of ridiculous in my thinking. I believe that he will “be given power to continue” , just as Scripture states – which means that at some point he would have had a Position of Power and Authority over the “Beast System” previously. Let me also be clear and say that I don’t believe that it can be supported with Scripture that he will be working behind the scenes to obtain his coming Position – although this may very well be the case.

In closing, we must remember that Christ Himself gives us a crucial clue; in that He points to the A0D – the rest may not be seen until that particular point. Let’s stay focused, so that that Day will not catch us by unawares.

Comment by Wickus:

Mr Baldy did share this with me before, but I have failed to understand it in full. Thank you Mr B.

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17 thoughts on “The 70th week, 7 year covenant, 42 months and millennium reign.

  1. Thank you Mr. Baldy for putting this line of reasoning together and Wickus for highlighting it. I agree that the 7 year covenant with many and the final week of years of the 70 may not coincide with one another. I think one may be the marker that signals the other is about to begin, sort of flag that says – watch out here comes the start of the 70th week (after a break of many many many weeks from a human point of view). I have one question – the Beginning of the point to “your people” and “your holy city” – is it not possible that this is not referring to the end of everything, but perhaps to the end of the nation of Israel’s rebellion against God? I’m trying to really push hard against preconcieved notions – that the prophecy is about some universal end of transgression, sin and iniquity. I wonder if its more limited than that – since so much of the prophecy around this text centers on Israel – are we not taking some old replacement theology blinders up again to think that it must apply to all of us. The rest of the chapter is all about Jerusalem, and the Nation of Israel – even mentioning the destruction of the city and temple in the interim between 69th and 70th week.

    Is perhaps the end of the 70th week the end of something else – not the end of all things but the end of Israel’s turning from God – perhaps the 70th week ends with a massive revival in Israel, and the sealing of the 144,000, the virgin young men of Israel from Revelation 7 and Revelation 14. I’m guessing (and hoping) the redeemed out of Israel is a far greater number than the 144,000, but that they represent the chaste young men that are specifically counted for some reason in the text. Any thoughts?

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  2. Interesting point Justasheep.

    Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    This verse is clearly only for thy people (Israel) and thy holy city (Jerusalem) and does not include the whole world. But 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 includes everyone, and has the same requirements as Dan 9:24

    Clearly God has a plan for Israel only, but it looks like that plan includes the rest of the world in some way.

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  3. Thanks for that reminder Bro Brian.

    1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
    1Th 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
    1Th 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

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  4. Agreed, I’m really just speculating about certain dates. We seem to have a preference fall all prophecies to fit together all neatly and tidely – but I’m just wondering if there are more events contained in these text than we tend to appreciate – and while the end result is everyone, that there is something that happens in Israel leading up to that day.

    I just re-read Ezekiel 37 – some of which we can see has already been fulfilled indisputably, and clearly there is much there that is to be fulfilled yet in the future and it applies very directly to the fate of Israel.

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  5. The 70th week of Daniel is not nearly as complicated as many seem to think it is. It is indeed a 7 year period of time. But where does it start, and where does it end? And what about the 1335 days?

    If we look at past fulfillment of prophecy, much of it is clear as a bell. For example, Daniel’s prophecy of the coming kingdoms, the Medes, the Persians, then Alexander the Great, then that broken into four, and finally the Roman empire. Looking back after the fact we are amazed at the clarity in which Daniel described these future events. Why then do we think it will be different? I don’t think it will.

    Where do we see events given in Revelation that fulfill the signs written in Joel 2 and Isaiah 2: signs of the Day of the Lord? We see them fulfilled at the breaking of the 6th seal. Folks, this seal is still in our future. In fact, we are now between the 5th seal – for the martyrs of the church age – and the 6th seal, the END of the church age and the SIGNS for the beginning of the day of the Lord.

    If we just take Revelation as history written in advance, written IN ORDER, it will keep things simple. What comes AFTER the 6th seal? of course the 7th – the 30 minutes of silence. What better way to signify the beginning of judgment than with 30 minutes of silence?

    So we find the start of the Day of the Lord AND the start of the 70th week at the 7th seal.

    Now, what would be an EASY way to find the midpoint of the week? Well, Daniel tells us that the abomination will divide the week into two halves. Then, Jesus told those living in Judea that when the SEE the abomination, they are to flee INSTANTLY – no time to stop off at home to grab anything.

    So WHERE in Revelation do we find the fleeing? It is found in 12:6 and 12:14 – the 1260 days and the time, tiimes and half of time. In fact, reading 1260 days is a STRONG hint that John is at the midpoint, for this is a time count that will begin at this verse and go to the end of the week. Therefore, John MUST BE at the midpoint in 12:6 – or VERY CLOSE to it. (Actually the exact midpoint is marked by the 7th trumpet.)

    We we find the beginning of the 70th week in chapter 8 and the midpoint in chapter 11. Now where is the end? AT the 7th vial, we read these words, “it is done.” Or “it is finished” in another translation. If we notice, God has “marked” the entire 70th week by the 7’s!!!!

    Now, we can see that the trumpet judgments are in the first half of the week, and the vials in the second half. The first six seals were broken long ago.

    So Mr Baldy is WAY off, in fact, 1260 days off for the start. The abomination is at the MIDPOINT of the week, not the beginning.

    For more proof, every mention of the 3 1/2 year time frame, is a HINT to the midpoint of the week, for each of these, the 1260 days, the 42 months, are of events that BEGIN at the midpoint and go to the end of the week. So John is very near the midpoint of the week from chapters 11-13.

    What about the 1335 days? It is of some notable event that comes AFTER the last 1260 days of the week. What could it be? It could me the day the Temple is cleansed. It could be the day the judgment of the nations is complete and the saints are welcomed into the Kingdom. Daniel does not tell us.

    lyle.cooper@cox.net

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  6. Hi Lyle

    Thanks for your input. You are explaining the “traditional” way of interpreting the 70th week and Revelation, but it still does not answers some questions.

    Revelation only speaks of 42 months and 1260 days and never mentions a complete 7 year period. Your interpretation is the classic way of seeing 2 x 42 month periods in Revelation, but that can not be proven out of the clear text. Even saying that the 70th week starts after the 7th seal is an assumption at best and dependent on personal interpretation. The same with your views on the 7 seals. I believe it is a current/future event, but not something that happened 2000 years ago.

    You also do not mention the millennium reign of Christ from Jerusalem. I suspect that you may be of the opinion that we are also currently in the millennium reign? If so, Mr Baldy’s explanation will not make sense to you as we believe it to be future. And if future, Mr Baldy does a good job of explaining why the 70th week can not end at Christ’s return, but only after the millennium as there will still be sin, rebellion and death during that time.

    I don’t know how long you have been following here, but the idea behind this discussion is to make sense of the only confirmed covenant between the EU and Israel for a duration of 7 years. By Dec 2013 the agreement ends and if there has not been any real progress in prophecy, all of this will have to be redefined. But with what is currently going on in the world, I don’t think we are wrong.

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  7. Good post but Still I will always have the view that since the bible says the Antichrist will destroy many through Peace there wont be a blaten dictator.
    Look at Solana currently: International coalition for the Responsibility to Protect.
    That Organization is using “Peace” to go into any country they see fit and remove their leaders.
    People should be careful in what kind of person the AC will end up being like. If the AC was a upfront dictator then way too many people will wake up and that negates the As in the days of Noah people wont have a clue what is about to happen. PEACE and Security is the main goal now.] and it seems Exactly what is suppose to happen.

    ——————————————————————————————————————
    This brand new international arena (International coalition for the Responsibility to Protect) requires a revision of the global organizations in order to give place to a new start up able to reflect the brand new global power map.

    Solana brought the attention to four challenges (the most important) that will be faced by the global environment: financial crisis, nuclear proliferation and disarmament, climate change and poverty. He outlined the status and evolution of each issue, including situations as of Bahrain, Pakistan, Syria, Iran and North Korea.

    Concerning financial crisis he highlighted the shared responsibility of key states, with a detailed analysis about the European Union. Concerning nuclear proliferation, laser enrichment technology poses new risks given it could turn out an easiest way to enrich uranium to weapons grade. On the other hand, the Solana mentioned the NPT’s inner imbalance between NWS and NNWS, and the lack of accomplishment of disarmament commitments, though highlighted the positive advance derived form the put into force of the new START between the United States and Russia. He also brought to attention the disastrous consequences of a potential proliferation in Middle East.

    The right of countries to avoid suffering consequences or damages by others concerning atmosphere and climate alterations was also made relevant. Finally, concerning poverty, Solana noticed positive advances in the latter years when the size of middle class worldwide increased several times. Despite of it, there is still a long way to walk in order to close the big gaps among nations and also, within many of them.

    The conference was developed in a simple and pleasant way. It tied together aspects of the highest conceptual relevance with living experiences during his mandate.

    Concerning concepts, Solana sees himself as a passionate Europeanist. He sees positively a bigger inclusion of all stakeholders in the international negotiations about certain issues, as a way to achieve sustainable solutions.

    The panel counted on the presence of Enrique Iglesias, president of ASTUR and Adalberto Rodríguez Giavarini, president of the CARI.

    * Javier Solana is a PhD in Physics from the Universidad Autónoma de Madrid. He studied in the United States, as a Fullbright Foundation scholar. In December 1976 he was elected Secretary of organization and press to the Executive Committee of the PSOE. On 15 June 1977 was elected representative for the PSOE. During governments presided by Felipe González, he was appointed as Minister of Culture (1982–1988), of Education and Science (1988–1992), of Foreign Affairs (1992–1995) and Government’s spokesperson (1985-1988). On 5 December 1995 became Secretary General of the NATO, position which kept until October 1999. That year he is elected Secretary-General of the Council of European Union and High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy(PESC), becoming the main face of the European diplomacy until November 2009.

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  8. Lafreak, yes, agreed.

    The classic view of the AC is one of a man marching into the limelight with a plan to save the world. People will worship him as some kind of savior and Israel will welcome him as their Messiah. Countries who do not submit to him will be conquered by military might. And do not forget the 7 year peace treaty!

    Peace and finance will be his weapons. And he will gain the kingdom by flattery. He will not be seen as the antichrist except by a few fanatical Christians.

    Do you have a link to this article?

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  9. i believe the 144,000 are spiritual Israel and that women are not excluded and they are not literal virgins. they are spiritual virgins in the sense they are not committing spiritual adultery with the world. the 144,000 stand on Mount Zion, similar to rev 21’s great and high mountain associated with the bride, the lamb’s wife.

    Hebrews 12:22 You have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven,

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  10. Hi Lyle,

    I have to say that you do bring up some very valid points. If you have ever paid attention to any comments to any posts that I have done, you will see that I am not dogmatic about anything I mention.

    I post things to solicit help, and hopefully get those of us who are watching to think outside of the proverbial box. It’s to gather some thoughts from all, so that we all may be edified.

    There are some Scriptures that do raise questions to this theory that I have presented. Like John 6:38-40; in which Jesus mentions raising those who believe in Him up on the “last day”.
    Or Matthew 24:13-14; in which Jesus mentions that when the gospel is preached in the whole world – then the “end will come”.

    These aforementioned passages of Scripture lead further questioning to the theory that I have presented, in that we must discover what Jesus meant by the “last day” and the “end”. Now does this mean the “end” of the Tribulation period or the “end” of this present world? Then we have the question of what Jesus meant by the “last day”. Does this mean the last day of this present world – or does it mean the “last day” of the Tribulation period? Then we must consider how the 70 weeks factor into all of this.

    I will respond to these questions later – when I have more time. But I will leave you with this question…..Are we speaking of the end of two age periods – if so, how does the completion of all of these things factor into the work that the Son has to do prior to Him turning over the Kingdom to God the Father?

    Remember…Jesus is the ONLY God we will ever see. The eternal Godhead rests solely in Him Bodily. Colossians 2:9

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  11. Forgot to mention……LaFreak, those are some most excellent posts and information concerning Javier Solana.

    His actions, and the way things are going on with the EU and the World economically, sort of remind me of how Hitler rose to power.

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