Oh boy! Is his number 3?

This is an article from July 2011, but does it give us some clues? At the rate that Europe is slipping into panic mode, it may just be our third government change in the WEU/EU.

Early Election Call in Spain Unnerves Markets 

Spain’s government called early elections for November 20 on Friday, putting the country’s economy, which has already come under speculative attack by bond investors, back in the spotlight.

The ongoing debt crisis in the United Stateshas had markets shift attention away from the euro zone periphery more recently.

Spain needs to pass an austerity budget for 2012, and political uncertainty in the lead up to an election could see it come under attack once again.

Read the rest HERE.

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34 thoughts on “Oh boy! Is his number 3?

  1. If we are on to something – I think the next few weeks/months are going to see a lot of strange things happening.

    If we are right on the first two horns to be uprooted – we should probably define what a horn being uprooted is. In the text – the horns represent 10 kings (daniel 7:24). By being uprooted – they subdued, or humbled, also from the same verse. I think what the means is that the ability of those kingdoms (or governments) to govern themselves will be removed- which I would define as a removal of national sovereignty of some type.

    What we’ve already seen:

    Greece has been in continued financial crisis, it has not dealt with the crisis in a way acceptable to either a) it’s citizens or b) the EU and financial elites. This week we have seen the toppling of a Greek PM because he suggested that the EU debt deal be put to referendum. We still don’t know for sure when he will resign and who will replace him – I don’t have high hopes that the new government will fare much better since it basically needs to satisfy the financial markets while suppressing an internal insurrection caused by the economic hardship.

    Now we see Italy, as has been expected for a while, falling into a similar situation. The EU and markets place demands on the leadership which the PM balks at – the next day we hear he is resigning and being replaced by a former ECB VP at the behest of ECB and IMF. It remains to be seen if this qualifies as a removal of sovereignty or the precursor to it.

    If we are correct, and to be honest I’m still wondering if we are chasing shadows (which I’m happy to do so we don’t miss the real thing) then there is one more to be uprooted – or to move into the queue to be subdued. Remember if we are still following a chain of fulfillment (which we suspect may be true, but still don’t know for sure) then the 3rd must come from among the remaining full members of the WEU

    My top 3-
    Spain – for the reasons cited in the story above, they seem to be the next most precarious financially. I have my doubts about them because I think they could also weather austerity better than some others perhaps – more of a gut feeling than anything else.

    France – mentioned in article I wish I had a link to now that suggested as Italy’s financial situation deteriorates it could cause the collapse of a number of France’s largest, but very vulnerable banks. If that happens – who knows what would happen to the legitimacy of their government, and we’d have a crisis of many magnitudes larger than the Greek or Italian crisis.

    UK – not a member of the Euro, but an essential partner in the EU. Cameron’s government is facing a lot of pressure at home to insulate them from the crisis, and pull back from the EU. If that happens though it would put the whole union in a much more difficult position since the UK is one of the big three economically, militarily, etc. Also it presents an interesting situation for the office we have been watching. What business would an English nnoble have holding the foreign minister credential within a multinational union her home country was pulling back from?

    So – we live in an interesting time, and I’m glad I had a place where I could share some of the thoughts about what I’m seeing. All the more- come Lord Jesus.

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  2. Subdue:
    H8214
    שׁפל
    shephal
    shef-al’
    (Chaldee); corresponding to H8213: – abase, humble, put down, subdue.

    Also interesting to note is that in Revelation it seems like the 10 horns will stay together as 10. There is no mention of 7 horns or 3 going down. It looks like the subdued 3 will not be kicked out, but rather bee taken over, maybe with new governments?

    Good summery Justasheep. Maybe we are chasing shadows, but it is very interesting to see this possibility unfold.. 8)

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  3. this is helpful dialog fellas. yes we are wondering what to make of these details but they fit somewhere and quite possibly as the very trail to follow leading up to a 3rd uprooted horn. i feel the same-it is still very important to look at the “ten” as much is/will be coming from within their ranks-even the little horn to rise from among them if i am reading my bible correctly. wickus you mention shadows-this is very shadowy still-but a shadow is cast from an actual form and the form all this is taking sure does look like prophecies from daniel and revelation and other passages. we are not watching in vain! thanks for the continued insights gleaned from the One Sure Thing we know-God’s Holy Word.

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  4. This is way off topic but was going to mention this and post this at some point…..anybody hear of this series of events before……..I’ve heard about the 13 sculls Mayan conection before but this is REALLY creepy I think
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    SUPPOSED MAYAN ELDERS WHO ARE IN FACT WITCH DOCTORS AND DEMON WORSHIPPERS ARE OPENING GATEWAYS OR PORTALS WITHIN THE USA . FROM NEW YORK TO THE SERPENT MOUND, FROM ILLINOIS TO SEDONA WITH TIBETAN MONKS. THESE 13 “SHAMANS” HAVE BEEN GIVEN A FREE PASS TO DEFILE AMERICA BABYLON EVEN MORE AND OPEN THE 11.11.11 GATEWAY IN THE CITY OF THE (FALLEN) ANGELS.

    THIS IS THEIR WEBSITE: http://www.crystalskulls.com/events/111111/hunbatz-men-pilgrimage-journey.html

    THEIR ITINERARY:

    Oct 26 The Elders arrive in New York
    Oct 27 New York Ceremony with the 13 Crystal Skulls
    Oct 28 Leave New York to go to the Serpent Mound, OH.
    Oct 29 Serpent Mound Ceremony with the 13 Crystal Skulls followed by a day of rest.
    Oct 30 Leave the Serpent Mound to go to Cahokia, IL.
    Oct 31 Cahokia Ceremony with the 13 Crystal Skulls and a day of rest.
    Nov 1 Leave Cahokia to go to Hays, KS
    Nov 2 Leave Hays to go to Crestone, CO
    Nov 3 Crestone Ceremony with the 13 Crystal Skulls, and day of rest.
    Nov 4 Leave Crestone to go to Kaatsi, AZ.
    Nov 5 Private Meeting in Kaatsi with Hopi and Tibetan monks including Rinpoche.
    Nov 6 The Elders will spend more time with Hopis and Tibetan Bhakha Tulku Rinpoche after which they will drive to Sedona, AZ.
    Nov 7 Sedona Ceremony with the 13 Crystal Skulls plus a public event.
    Nov 8 The Elders will leave Sedona and drive to Los Angeles
    Nov 9 Los Angeles will be a day of rest for some, and return home for others.
    Nov 10 This is the day that another group of 13 elders arrive in Los Angeles from Merida
    11:11:11 Gateway Ceremony with 13 Mayan Elders and the 13 Crystal Skulls at Crystal Skull Conference in Los Angeles
    Nov 12 Crystal Skull Conference in Los Angeles with 13 Mayan Elders and Pilgrimage Participants present.
    Nov 13 Hunbatz Men will impart his wisdom in this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to hear the real Maya talk about 2012 and the sacred Crystal Skulls.

    ON 11+11+11 THEY CULMINATE THEIR PERVERSE AND SATANIC ACT AT THE LAX SHERATON HOTEL BY OPENING THE LOS ANGELES GATEWAY ON PARALLEL 33° WITH THE USE OF 13 CRYSTAL SKULLS (SKULL AND BONES

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    Don’t know what to think about this ………thoughts anybody?

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  5. I have heard about this. My honest thoughts? We are around less than 24 hours away from 11/11/11. Let’s watch closely to see if anything happens tomorrow or in the near future that can be linked to the date.

    Thanks for the update!

    Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom – let your email find you!

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  6. Wow, shorttribber! I live very close to Cahokia Mounds in IL, and I had not heard this! (I have heard of the crystal skulls, though.) And many of my Christian friends believe the reason that E. St. Louis, IL and Cahokia, IL are so riddled with crime is due to the “powers of the air” present from centuries ago when human sacrifice was performed atop Cahokia Mounds. It’s so sick to think that someone – or group – would purposely try to make things worse. Yet another sign of the times….

    Yes, I too will be watching 11/11/11…

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  7. some ugly things are planned by the [new agers=old crapola] for 11/11/11-no doubt. God’s restraining Hand is being taken away from america (& the world) and from the pit much will come fill the emptiness. this nation is becoming spiritually bankrupt. america’s idolatries are mounting as the church in general sleeps on….what else can the Lord do but bring judgment? it is time for You to act O LORD for they have made void Your Law. ps 119:126 comes to mind——but that said-we know that He hears us who know Him as our God and King. the Savior’s Hand will move in behalf of His Own. He will still show Mercy to those who are called-to those He is yet to save from the highways and byways. keep tellin’ the Story christian soldier……i have adamantine on my mind and i sure miss him. i pray he is doing well and i believe he is waiting to know specific things-if from the Lord-pertaining to 11/11/11. we watch and we wait and-we pray-for guidance and strength from God’s Word. we are going to need it to wade through all the lies being poured out from the pit.

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  8. Interesting-

    Keep in mind at all times “for God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.” (2 Timothy 1:7 ESV)

    As more and more occult practices become the norm – though we may suffer for Christ, he will give us the strength each day that we need to persist in the faith – and no weapon formed against us will prevail.

    I know that these things though they seem scary – they are really far worse for those that don’t know Christ since they will be without a defense against the powers and prinicipalities of darkness. We have a strong tower into which we can withstand any assault by the enemy – so are task if these are happening will be to ramp up how we are spreading the truth (not necessarily about the end, but about who Jesus is). I feel sorrow for all those that are outside the “family” as it were, unwittingly as is the case in some. For those that thumb their nose at God- I have far less sympathy. The coming days will be terrible for them and will get worse once God unleashes his wrath after we are gone.

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  9. Something else to keep in mind if we really are in the process of the 3 horns being uprooted. Here is a comment I made on the “Mystery Babylon is America” post that Wickus posted a few weeks ago. It seems to me that scriptures point to these events occurring near each other. What do you guys think?

    …I have for awhile now thought or at least been highly suspicious of the idea that the USA and more specifically New York City is Mystery Babylon. If this is true then when does this occur in the prophetic timeline?

    According to Revelation 17 the great harlot is the woman who rides the beast and this harlot is also the great city that reigns over the kings of the earth. There is only one city in the world today that would currently qualify for this statement. New York City.

    Revelation 17:3 And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness; and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns.

    Revelation 17:18 “The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.”

    The Beast hates the harlot. I currently suspect (as do many of you) that the beast (which has 10 horns and 7 heads) is the WEU in some form. We also know from this passage that it is the 10 horns who give power to the beast, which the harlot is riding. Because the beast hates the harlot, the beast will destroy the harlot

    Revelation 17:6. “And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire.

    Since there are 10 horns on the beast when this event occurs, then in my humble opinion this event will occur prior to the uprooting of the 3 horns but not long after the 10 horns give there power to the Beast. Basically this event happens somewhere between verse 7 and verse 8 of Daniel chapter 7.

    Revelation 17:12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour.

    Daniel 7:7-8. 7″After this I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrifying and extremely strong; and it had large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet; and it was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns.
    8. “While I was contemplating the horns, behold, another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were pulled out by the roots before it; and behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts.

    It sounds to me that Revelation 17 details the AC’s overall rise to power, which seems to currently point in the direction that the US gets taken out by the AC and his 10 kings as he rises. Just my humble opinion of course, I could be wrong.

    Curt

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  10. Interesting thoughts Curt. I have wondered why Revelation is silent about the uprooting of the three. I am speculating, but can it be that the uprooting will not be as spectacular as was previously believed? Can it be that the subduing is really something like a government change because of economic turmoil or must we wait for a more spectacular event?

    The silence on the subject in Revelation makes me to ponder that it may be something happening that will be missed by most as a prophetic sign. Maybe the 3 horns will only be humiliated and not totally taken out of the picture.

    And on the US/Babylon, it seems like her destruction will be in the 42 weeks and not before. If she aligns with the beast kingdom for military might (NATO), the world will ask, who can war against the beast. She will need some part in the final 42 months.

    This is my speculations. I may be wrong, but we will soon see. Keep focused on Jesus. It is not Christ PLUS something else. Jesus is enough.

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  11. Some musing from me:

    When prophecy was fulfilled in the Bible, there was always a very small amount of people that understood it. The vast majority missed the signs but only saw the implication when it was to late. Can we say that it will be different in the time of the end? Will the road signs be so subtle that most ignore it because it is not as spectacular as they believe? Will we see a time that we are smack bang in the middle of the 42 months, but most deny it as they did not see the signs as they were expecting it to happen?

    This has been my thoughts for the past 5 years and I can not shake it. Just as it was in the time of Noah and Lot…

    I praise the Lord that He surrounded me with people who are willing to look behind the popular view, but look at Him for answers.

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  12. I asked a few posts back about what your thinking is here in this group re prophetic timelines, and I didn’t really get a clear answer. I am acquainted with the ‘pre-wrath’ view, from the standpoint of…70th week starts with the AC rising to power and the first seal opens, then second, third, fourth, fifth and this is when the AoD occurs, at the midpoint of the 70th week. AC is at his zenith of power, goes on his 42 month tear. Rapture happens at 6th seal, wrath of the Lamb starts. Believers aren’t here for that. Two witnesses would be doing their thing for the first half of the 70th week and get murdered at the midpoint.

    From what I can see, many or all of you here figure the ENP is “the covenant” in Daniel, yet I am still not clear about how you think this relates to the 70th week.

    And do you think we are NOW in the 70th week? Wickus, you mentioned being “smack in the middle of the 42 months”…Do you now think the first half of the 70th week is already gone? I’m confused.

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  13. Brother Curt,

    You have put posted some excellent thoughts above.

    Let me throw a thought out on the table with regard to Revelation chapter 17.
    I contend that we see not one, but two different female entities in chapter 17. The harlot rides the beast, but the whore sits on many waters.

    Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
    Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

    I also consider that the US is referred to in this chapter, however not as the one who rides the beast, but as the one who sits on many waters.

    Revelation 17:3 And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness; and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns.

    The most popular belief out there concerning who the harlot is that rides the beast, is that she is the Roman Catholic church. I am not of that mindset. I consider that this harlot that rides the beast is Islam.

    Revelation 17:6. “And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire.

    I consider that the “woman” spoken of in verse 18 is in reference to the whore in verse 1 & 2.

    Revelation 17:18 “The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth.”

    With regard to the the prophetic timing of the destruction of the whore who sits on many waters. (US military bases all over the world) The destruction of this whore is spelled out in many verses in chapter 18. here are just a few of those verses.

    Revelation 18:1-9
    (1) And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
    (2) And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
    (3) For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
    (4) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
    (5) For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
    (6) Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
    (7) How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
    (8) Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
    (9) And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

    When does the destruction of the US and the great city (New York City where the UN is located) occur?
    Scripture is not very clear on this matter, but one would think that it would be within the 42 month Great Tribulation, but before the mark of the beast is implemented..

    It appears that we will see an angel proclaim the eternal gospel across the earth before this specific destruction falls. Then the second angel flying over the earth proclaims what has occurred to the whore, Babylon. (not to be confused with Mystery Babylon)

    Revelation 14:6-10
    (6) And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
    (7) Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
    (8) And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
    (9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    (10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

    Any thoughts?

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  14. Hi STW

    Can you refer me to the post were I have said that we are “smack in the middle of the 42 months”. I do not recall it. (Old age… 🙂 ) No, we are not smack in the middle of the 42 months. In my understanding the 42 months will kick of with the dividing of Israel and the AoD event. At that time the beast will get power to continue for 42 months. As it did not happen yet, we can not be in that time.

    As the tribulation an the rule of the antichrist is only 42 months according to Daniel and Revelation, we may well be in the 70th week. Again, we can only be sure when the AoD happens and the man of sin is revealed.

    Regarding the ENP, it is still the only confirmed 7 year agreement that Israel has ever entered into. It ends 31 December 2013. I believe that he 70th week and the 7 year covenant with many (Dan 9:27) may be two separate events, with them overlapping each other at some point. If Dec 2013 comes and there is still no clear indication that the man of sin did take power, the theory will fail.

    Rapture view – Pre-wrath, but not dogmatic about it. Pre-trib will be great!

    I hope this answers some questions in a nutshell. Sorry that I’ve missed your other post. Feel free to also mail me if you want.

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  15. Wickus, thanks for your response. When I mentioned your having referred to being “smack in the middle of the 42 months”, it was re a Nov. 10, 10:16 pm comment. I had wondered if you were one of those folks who believe there is a gap between the first and second halves of the 70th week, and that the first half had been fulfilled already during the ministry of Jesus on earth. I should have been more clear about that, sorry. 🙂

    I also have wondered if we were already in the 70th week, with some of the seals having been opened, but when would that have started then?

    From reading Brian Roberts’ site, I think he is of the persuasion that the first seal doesn’t open until the start of the 42 months, which is also a possibility, I think.

    I am not dogmatic about any particular theory re prophecy or rapture timing and I don’t think any one person has it “all” correct. I watch and I am aware of what the Bible says. I think all will become clear as prophecy is fulfilled. 🙂

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  16. I believe you are referring to the following:

    “Will we see a time that we are smack bang in the middle of the 42 months, but most deny it as they did not see the signs as they were expecting it to happen?”

    No, I did not mean that we are there currently, but that we may be there in the future. Most will deny it as “they have not been raptured” or some other excuse because what will be happening will not fit their theories.

    I have been pondering the idea that Jesus did fulfill the first 42 months of the 70th week. There is proof for and against it. Like you, I am not dogmatic about it, but it makes an interesting study. And no need to be sorry. 🙂

    We are seeing the effects of the first seals. Therefore I will speculate that they may have been opened. As there will be no clear sign when Jesus opens them, I believe it is okay to speculate. In any way, what is currently happening will only get worse very soon.

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  17. Brother Scott,

    Good to have you back. Hope all the rams, roms, bits and bytes is now fixed. And now you are back with something that I have read many times, but I have never really seen the difference between the woman and harlot. In my mind they have been the same entity, but clearly now I see there is a difference. Thanks for sharing it here.

    I have taken my time to comment as I have read and reread these Scriptures during the course of the day to make sure that I do understand. Yup, I agree with you.

    Thanks!

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  18. Dear Wickus,

    Thank you for your warm welcome back to the “front line”. It was very difficult for me being absent from that location.

    Greetings STW,

    If I may, I would like to jump into the midst of your conversation with Wickus about the timing for when the 70th Week begins and when it ends.

    I consider that we have some strong evidence from scripture that the 70th Week, a “week” of 7 years, begins on the day that the abomination that causes desolation occurs. It would then include the 42 month long great tribulation, the 1335 “day” that consists of Jesus’ 1000 year long reign on earth and a 3 1/2 year long “short season” when Satan is loosed from prison which will enable him to once again go out across the face of the earth whispering lies of deception into the ears of men.

    After that last rebellion seen here;

    Revelation 20:1-3
    (1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    (2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    (3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    Revelation 20:7-12
    (7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    (8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    (9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
    (10) And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
    (11) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    (12) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

    I believe the most compelling verse to support this understanding is;

    Daniel 9:24
    Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    A dear Brother in Christ, that goes by Mr. Baldy, brought this key point up to be studied and prayed about some time ago. It seriously challenged my previous understanding which I now fully consider was not clearly based on scripture, but on incorrect teaching propagated by the old time “legends” of prophetic Bible doctrine.

    When will sin be ended (referred to in verse 24) on the face of the earth? … Obviously AFTER this last rebellion occurs.

    You two were also discussing the timing relationship between when the 70th Week officially begins and when the Seals are (were) opened.

    From my vantage point, I see nothing in scripture that supports the most popular teaching out there that proposes that the Seals aren’t opened until the 70th Week begins. That most popular teaching, inclusive of a “Pre-Trib” rapture timing, also claims that the Great Tribulation is 7 years in duration and is also the same time period as the 70th Week spoken of by Daniel. This understanding absolutely cannot be supported from scripture.

    In my opinion, the 1st Seal was opened long ago when one man began his “ride” to go forth to conquer as he worked tirelessly to give the Old Roman Empire a rebirth into what we see now as the EU, the revived Roman Empire.

    Revelation 6:1-2
    (1) And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
    (2) And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

    This same individual also gave birth to the 1995 Barcelona process, the same year Greece became a full voting power and the tenth horn of the WEU. This same “covenant” with “many” (many nations) was then “strengthened” into the designated 7 year long ENP that began January 1st, 2007 and ends December 31st, 2013. We are obviously still “in the midst” of this covenant time frame (week of years).

    Daniel 9:27
    And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    I still fully expect that we will see the telling events spoken of in verse 27 occur before the ENP “week” expires.

    We of course have not seen these events occur yet, but sure look like they are very close to occurring with what we seeing happening on the ground daily. Today is the day the UN Security Council is supposed to release their report about the PA’s application for statehood on the land of Israel, which includes East Jerusalem.

    So in my opinion, based on my understanding of scripture, the 70th Week, nor the 42 month Great Tribulation have not begun because they both begin on the same day.

    Revelation 11:2
    But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

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  19. Scott, I’m back you’re back on the front lines, too. I read your website every day.

    Can you clarify this for me?:

    “…70th Week, a “week” of 7 years, begins on the day that the abomination that causes desolation occurs. It would then include the 42 month long great tribulation, the 1335 “day” that consists of Jesus’ 1000 year long reign on earth and a 3 1/2 year long “short season” when Satan is loosed from prison which will enable him to once again go out across the face of the earth whispering lies of deception into the ears of men.”

    OK, I get the first part, about the 70th week starting with the abomination of desolation and including the 42 months. It’s what you’ve said about the 1335 “day” that consists of Jesus’ 1000 year long reign on earth part that I don’t understand and about how that is included in the 70th week. As well as Satan’s last gig (after he is turned loose from being imprisoned for 1,000 years) being 3 1/2 years long.

    I guess I’ve always thought of those extra days (mentioned in Daniel, the extra days that total 75) coming at the end of the 7 year long 70th week–the 1260 days of the Great Tribulation plus these extra days when stuff is ‘cleaned up’ and then the 1,000 year reign of Jesus starts. I think that is the ‘traditional’ view.

    Thanks!

    I’m not dogmatic. I think everyone is going to be a bit surprised in the near future, but I think those of us who are more open to the possibility that things may not turn out *exactly* the way the traditional scholars say will be more able to recognize what is going on.

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  20. Hi STW,

    I know I’m not Scott…but I believe that Scott and I share a few similar views. I’m going to respond to your concerns, if I may.

    First, if you’ll notice in Scripture that the only time that a 7 year time frame is given, (concerning the End Times); is when the coming Antichrist confirms a “Covenant with Many”. Other End Time passages of Scripture mention a 3.5 year time frame – even Jesus Himself never refers to a 7 year time frame; but does point to the A0D.

    When viewing the fact that we have a literal 7 year “Covenant with Many” in place – and it is currently active; we must consider all possibilities as it relates to End Time Prophecy, and that the so-called Bible Prophecy Scholars may have gotten it wrong.

    Keep in mind that all of these strange things are happening, and again, we have a 7 year “Covenant with Many” that is active, and the Revived Roman Empire (EU) is responsible for carrying out it’s purpose. By strange things, I mean the World Wide Economic crisis, the wars, earthquakes, political and social uprisings…etc. These things cannot be overlooked like it’s just business as usual. We are certainly living in a period of Time like no other.

    I have a different view as far as how End Time events will transpire, as it relates to traditional teachings. First of all in viewing Revelation 13, I don’t think that we have two End Time players here. I personally believe that it is a “Beast System” that is spoken of, and a single man who takes control of this same Beast System and carries out what Scripture says will happen. Let me explain……

    If you think about it, the uprooting of the 3 nations will have to come from an Empire, a “Beast Empire” such as we now see in the EU. It appears to be an Economic uprooting, in order to keep the Beast Empire or System alive. I really don’t believe that we have two men running things – ie; the Antichrist, and a False Prophet. This Beast System appears to rise, and a single man or Antichrist aka False Prophet – who I believe are one and the same – takes over as the Beast System by economic means sets things in place for him. They want/need “one voice” to speak for this Beast Empire in order to carry out what has been written in Scripture.

    We now need to take a look at Revelation 17:11-13; which reads:

    11) The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition. 12) “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13) These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.

    I believe that the aforementioned passage of Scripture has been partially fulfilled when the WEU turned over it’s power to the EU, and will have a future fulfillment when the coming Antichrist is revealed. This is further evidence why I believe that it is a Beast System that will work with a single End Time player that will be the “one voice” for this final Empire.

    Where Scott and I agree on is that the start of the 70th week may be different from the enactment of the 7 year Covenant with Many – but overlap at some point that includes the A0D. We further agree that the conclusion of the 70th week – whether only 3.5 years remain, or 7 actual years will be completed after the Millennial Reign of Christ; and the subsequent “little season” that Satan is let loose to deceive the Nations in the final Gog/Magog war. This means that the literal 1,000 year Reign of Christ here on Earth may be counted as “one day” – as far as satisfying the requirement for the 70 weeks listed in Daniel 9:24.

    Let’s take a look at 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 – which reads:

    20) But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 21) For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22) For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23) But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, 24) then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25) For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26) The last enemy that will be abolished is death. 27) For HE HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS FEET. But when He says, “All things are put in subjection,” it is evident that He is excepted who put all things in subjection to Him. 28) When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all.

    If you’ll notice in verse 24 of the aforementioned passage of Scripture is speaks of the “END”. This is after Christ has Reigned, and then He hands over the kingdom to God the Father. You see, as Scripture mentions….Christ must Reign, and the last enemy to be destroyed is death. Death, sin, and rebellion will continue throughout the Millennial Reign – so it is my very humble opinion that the requirements listed in Daniel 9:24 will not have been completed until Christ has Reigned, and has completed His mission by destroying the last enemy – to include Satan; in which He then hands the Kingdom over to God the Father.

    Hisown….Wickus, and all…..I thank you very much for your prayers. May God continue to bless this Ministry.

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  21. Mr Boldy wow you’ve just blessed me beyond anything you can ever imagine. The Holy Spirit pulled me into my prayer closet for you as well as Roma. (Sis please if you’re reading this, know that my heart and prayers are with you daily.) God is so faithful -His Word NEVER returns void! amen and amen.

    I praise God for this our little place of fellowship , thank-you Wickus ! Also welcome back bro Scott, we all missed you!

    Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

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  22. Amen Mr. Baldy, Amen. I agree your theory is possible and does not contradict the text of scripture in any way I can see. Of course we could all be wrong- but it’s certainly our mandate to watch – and I am sad for all those that have latched onto one theory dependent on many extra-biblical assumptions that the end could come, the day of the Lord could be at hand and they will be caught with no oil in their lamps. All the more, like John the Baptist I have no greater desire than to hear the sound of the Bridegrooms voice.

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  23. Also – as I’m trying to convince myself that Greece and Italy could not possibly be the first two horns uprooted – today I read this:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/13/us-italy-idUSTRE7AA2GC20111113
    “Italy’s president appointed former European Commissioner Mario Monti on Sunday to head a new government charged with implementing urgent reforms to end a crisis that has endangered the whole euro zone.”

    Really? another former EC member and an economist? I read another article where he was looking only for “technocrats” to join his government. That is code for “people I think are smart, who see things and the proper administration of government exactly as I do”. By labeling people who agree with you “technocrats” you label everyone else as mentally inferior luddites – effectively squelching dissent. That sound healthy in a democracy doesn’t it? I think all bible-believing Christians will find themselves in the non-technocrat category.

    Anyway- anyone else have thoughts on this? Are we looking at two of three horns uprooted or in the process of being uprooted?

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  24. And all I can say is “amen” Mr B. I had a difficult time seeing the 70th week spilling over to the end of Christs reign when you first introduced the idea, but the more I read, pray and study the more it makes sense. I guess years of believing a popular believe gets well rooted and is not easy to dismiss.

    God bless you Mr B.

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  25. have to agree that the traditional theories are really up for grabs and need a re-think. it’s very interesting to see the different possible scenarios i’ve read from folks here and though i am not locked into a certain idea as yet i am waiting and watching with all of you knowing that there will be some details we will have missed in the outset but will recognize things as fulfillment as they play out-quite possibly as has been spelled out above. the Lord promises Light for the path. there is way too much to ignore of all that is discussed here at this site to turn back now on things that have confirmed and leading us to the next very pertinent clues that are unfolding it seems almost weekly now. thanks everyone for your input (for a while now) as it keeps things sharper than if we were dyed-in-the-wool to one theory or another. those who hold the very traditonal views do not really see what is looming so large in our day-namely the political suicide the world is getting ready to commit in setting up the beast kingdom. much is happening in american politics that is lending itself to further that whole plan (to our peril) but many want to vote us back to the good ‘ole days (please read your bibles-cover to cover to get the whole counsel of God-average american christian). so many with a pollyanna take on things makes me think they can’t be adhering very close to scripture for wisdom and guidance but rather leaning on their own understanding-quite happy with that thank you very much-and rolling over to go back to sleep. this just saddens me……glad to see you weigh in again mr baldy. you and several others do help me keep a big picture view of our day and time—-watching much closer now………

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  26. “Where Scott and I agree on is that the start of the 70th week may be different from the enactment of the 7 year Covenant with Many – but overlap at some point that includes the A0D. We further agree that the conclusion of the 70th week – whether only 3.5 years remain, or 7 actual years will be completed after the Millennial Reign of Christ; and the subsequent “little season” that Satan is let loose to deceive the Nations in the final Gog/Magog war. This means that the literal 1,000 year Reign of Christ here on Earth may be counted as “one day” – as far as satisfying the requirement for the 70 weeks listed in Daniel 9:24.”

    I’ll have to give that some thought. The first time I read this paragraph, I went…”Huh?”

    What you say about the 70th week being completed at the end of the millenial reign does make sense…the whole thing that started with the rebellion of Satan will be competely ‘finito’ then.

    The 69 weeks were 7 weeks of years, right? As in 483 years long, so to me it makes sense that the 70th week would also be that as well–7 years. To me it simply doesn’t make sense that the first 69 would be 7 years long and then the last one different. Dan 9:24 starts out talking about 70 weeks, and the passage goes on to flesh that out, the way I see it. First 7 are discussed, then 62, then one week re a ‘covenant’, so I can see why the majority of people think that the covenant and the 70th week are one and the same. I lean that way myself, but I am open to the possibility that there is a different meaning to it.

    Also, from reading Dan 9:24: “Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.” it is Daniel being spoken to and the 70 weeks are “decreed about *your people* and *your holy city*. From that I would take it to mean the 70 weeks are about the Jews. The 70 weeks are all about the Jews and the holy city is Jerusalem. It’s settle-up time between God and Israel.

    I’m kind of losing my train of thought here (I’m being distracted at the moment)…

    Anyway, time will tell and we’ll all see how this plays out. 🙂

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  27. Hi STW,

    You indeed bring up an interesting point when you say:

    “The 69 weeks were 7 weeks of years, right? As in 483 years long, so to me it makes sense that the 70th week would also be that as well–7 years. To me it simply doesn’t make sense that the first 69 would be 7 years long and then the last one different. Dan 9:24 starts out talking about 70 weeks, and the passage goes on to flesh that out, the way I see it. First 7 are discussed, then 62, then one week re a ‘covenant’, so I can see why the majority of people think that the covenant and the 70th week are one and the same.”

    After reading your comments, I ask the question(s): Then why do we have a gap? Why did this last 7 year period not run consecutively with the previous 69 weeks?

    Some want to connect this final 7 years to the Covenant with Many that is to be confirmed by the coming Antichrist – I’m not so sure about that.

    I also question that if Jesus was a central part to the beginning of the 70 weeks being decreed, and carried out – then why would everything have to be completed prior to His 2nd Coming?

    Although I’m not dogmatic about anything I post, I’m sure some of the writings concerning End Times are absolutely wrong. I mean a case can be made that if everything was as crystal clear as they seem to make it, then we would know without a doubt the exact time frame that Christ is to return…..I mean think about it

    1) We would see the re-built Temple
    2) We would see the Two Witnesses
    3) We would know that the Rapture had occurred
    4) We would know who the Antichrist is prior to his revelation – (meaning 666 would be obvious)
    5) We would recognize a One World Government/Religion

    All I can say is, that if these things are going to be so obvious – then I guess that there would be no need for Christ to warn the Church that He is coming like a “thief in the night” – so keep your oil lamps lit; or warn us about the A0D – or that people will be living and carrying on life just like the days of Noah. Or better yet….how about NO man knows the day or hour of His Return.

    I truly believe that you will see this “Beast System” rise – who again, I believe is the beast from the sea spoken of in the 1st half of Revelation 13; and it will be the final Empire before the Return of Christ. If Italy, and Greece have been “subdued” and a third horn is yet to follow – then I would ask we who are watching: “How could the Beast System not be what Scripture is referring to – instead of looking for a man to carry out this mission?”

    I further see a man “coming back to power” for 3.5 years. There will be no man who will all of a sudden appear on the scene to have the answers to the worlds problems, and then subsequently rule the World. That’s sort of ridiculous in my thinking. I believe that he will “be given power to continue” , just as Scripture states – which means that at some point he would have had a Position of Power and Authority over the “Beast System” previously. Let me also be clear and say that I don’t believe that it can be supported with Scripture that he will be working behind the scenes to obtain his coming Position – although this may very well be the case.

    In closing, we must remember that Christ Himself gives us a crucial clue; in that He points to the A0D – the rest may not be seen until that particular point. Let’s stay focused, so that that Day will not catch us by unawares.

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  28. Hi Wickus,

    I too had a very difficult time accepting the fact that the 70th week may also include the Millennial Reign of Christ – and that primarily because of traditional teachings. But then I began to question: “Why would Christ come to Earth, and sin, rebellion, and death will still occur?” I mean this made no sense to me. I mean what would be His purpose for Reigning for 1,000 years, Satan is then let loose; and the off spring of those who are allowed into the next age wage war against Him?

    Then as I read 1 Corinthians 15:2-28 – it became clear that He must Reign to place ALL enemies under His feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death – and this includes Satan.

    So in other words, the current Earth that we live on isn’t the last rodeo – as the Cowboys like to say. I find it fascinating that even as we struggle in the current World – it still ain’t over. Oh it will be for we who are in Christ – but the Eternal State will not have arrived.

    When i was a kid, and first came to the knowledge of Christ, I always believe that I would live forever, and when I got to Heaven there would be streets of Gold, and everlasting peace. I did not know that this would come after Christ had ruled on Earth for 1,000 years.
    Now that I have this understanding, I believe that the 70 weeks will not be completed until He has placed all enemies under His feet, and has turned the Kingdom over to God the Father.

    Again, not dogmatic about this view, and I could be wrong. I would love to have others state their opinions on this topic as well.

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  29. Still speculating about a potential 3rd horn-

    I saw this in the news today:
    http://euobserver.com/19/114265
    EU commissioner: Belgium could become the next Greece

    I don’t know that there’s even a horn to uproot there – as Belgium has been without a government for going on 517 days now. It’s hard for me to imagine any nation being able to function without its top leadership in place for more than a year and a half. I guess it just underlines how little national government really matters now in the core of the eurozone. I’m guessing the garbage is still getting picked up, police and fire protection is still intact, and the entitlement checks are still going out. Not surprising though that their debt to GDP ratio is so high though- without accountability and oversite, the money gets spent quite quickly.

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  30. Maybe that was the first horn… And the 3rd is Italy.. So in all we may now have Belgium, Greece, and Italy as being subdued governments controlled by the E.U. The Media or press is just giving us a recap or confirmation… 🙂

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