Will the AC look like this?

Comment by Wickus:

Lafreak made a good comment and I think deserves a post on its own.

Comment by Lafreak:

The AC takes the kingdom by flattering and tricks his way into some sort of position.
So if people are waiting for a savior or some sort of blatant tyrant then you will be waiting for a long time. The only savior that is coming will be Jesus.
The AC wont be saving anything, he walks into a system already set up and through government policy he will crush people who will think its the government doing it.
If people think the AC is going to show his true self then there will be no point because most people will realize and turn to GOD straight away and that isn’t God’s plan according to the prophets and Jesus.
Same as the flood back in the days of Noah, People will still have no idea that Jesus is about to return even right up to the actually hour.

Still also need to remember during the tribulation the mark of the beast isn’t going to go on every single person on the earth, its impossible.
The Mark will be a good way to drag Christians to hell with Satan as many so called Christians will get it in panic mode not realizing tribulation is happening at that time.
SO Does SATAN care if a non christian gets the mark.. Probably not because he already has them condemned as they haven’t accepted Jesus anyway.
Ill state this again, THE Mark of the beast is a good way for God to weed out the true believers.

People need to look outside the box, example (and sorry for the long post).
Think about this:
Does Satan like child sacrifice?
Most people would think YES but in reality i’m sure he wouldn’t. A child being killed will most certainly go the the Lord due to he or she never had a chance to repent.
So a situation like the occult killing kids for Satan is not really making Satan happy, It is more the opposite because he never got to corrupt the child.

Thing is look around and you will see it doesn’t have to be that bad to be tyranny.
Look at NATO and the EU/US they are taking out dictators all over the place at the moment so there wont be a blatant one in the EU he will remain in the background calling the shots more than likely.

Additional comment by Wickus:

Its been for years that I feel that the rise of the antichrist will not be so spectacular as believed by many people. The clear sign for those who watch will be the AoD event, although I think it is not going to be as spectacular as many think. There might still be doubt after the event if it was really THE AoD that we were waiting for.

Hey, I hope I am wrong and that everything will play out clearly and without doubt, but Jesus said that it will be like in the days of Noah and Lot. Nobody understood until it was too late. Most people also did not believe Jesus was the Messiah when He walked the earth although he fulfilled many prophecies. I can see no reason why the return of Christ will be a front page event when in the times of Noah, Lot and Jesus prophecies were fulfilled, but few noticed. When Jesus were crucified, the disciples surely thought that it was all done. He could not have been the Messiah. They did not see that prophecy was fulfilled. What would you have thought if you were there? What makes today different?

Stay awake and stay watching!

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23 thoughts on “Will the AC look like this?

  1. Comment by Adamantine:

    I agree.
    It is becoming apparent that if the UN security council eventually agrees to making Palestine a state it will be because of JS but it will not be attributed to him.

    I suspect that the same will occur with the AOD because JS may again be hidden to the casual observer.

    ASSUME the ENPI IS the treaty of Daniel 7:27 we are already aware but the vast majority of watchers are not.

    JS is or has been on councils discussing the future of the EU, the UN, the Union of the Med and the future of NATO. His influence in these things will not be known even if he returns to some position of power in the EU.

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  2. Agreed- our enemy is a master of deception. He knows the scriptures, and that they will be fulfilled perfectly – but as God’s enemy I think he will do everything in his power (anything God allows) to obscure and obfuscate what is happening so that fewer and fewer will see it. Some things I don’t think he’ll be allowed to obscure- but by then the hard hearted would refuse to believe even if God wrote out his will in 1000 foot tall flaming letters in the Sinai desert.

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  3. I agree with the posts except for one thing, Satan will not be dragging ANY Christians to hell, even if they are late in their understanding of the lateness of the hour.

    Jesus will keep the elect, He told the Father in His high priestly prayer, “all that you have given to Me will come to Me, and I will not lose one of them”. By virtue of the fact that you are a Christian, you have the seal of God on you and you CANNOT go to hell. What we have coming dear friends is a great winnowing, a huge sifting, a persecution which will separate the sheep from the goats, the wheat from the tares. Tremendous deception is hurling towards us, it will be so great that IF POSSIBLE even the elect would be deceived, the obvious implication, it ISN”T possible. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith and He will complete the work that He began. We have enough uncertaintly with all the coming suffering, the last thing we need to worry about is “chickening out and taking the mark”….having said all that, examine yourself, and be sure you are in the faith!

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  4. Lafreak said: “The Mark will be a good way to drag Christians to hell with Satan as many SO CALLED Christians will get it in panic mode not realizing tribulation is happening at that time.”

    Pilgrim, I agree with you one hundred and fifty percent, but in defense of Lafreak I have read his statement as pointing to SO CALLED Christians only, not the Spirit filled Christians waiting for the Lord. Christians warming the church seats will surely take the mark, but children of God will not.

    Wickus

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  5. Wickus, Thanks for the clarification….I grew up with constant fear of losing my salvation and it was absolutely tormenting! Not until I understood the doctrines of Grace and that my salvation was COMPLETELY accounted for at the cross, from beginning to end did I find true freedom and relief. I wanted to be sure no Christians expect to face the coming storm with fear of losing their salvation, we have enough to think about.

    Hang on folks, we will be home after dark!!

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  6. Remember, all of the inhabitants of the earth will be warned by the third angel about taking the mark before it is instituted. Very shortly before?

    One would think that the proclamation of people needing to receive the mark will go out across the earth and then we will see the third angel and hear his message.

    Revelation 14:9-11 (KJV)
    (9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    (10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    (11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    Don’t forget, the world will also have the testimony of the two witnesses as well.

    Revelation 11:3-7 (KJV)
    (3) And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
    (4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
    (5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
    (6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
    (7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    Malachi 4:5 & 6 (KJV)
    (5) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet BEFORE the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
    (6) And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

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  7. and of course:
    For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
    (Romans 8:38-39 ESV)

    No one who fears as Pilgrim once did ever needs to fear again – once truly His always His.

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  8. Brother Scott, here is a Wickus curve-ball:

    Is Malachi 4 future or past? Malachi talks only about Elijah and not two witnesses. Do we assume that it refers to Revelation?

    Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
    Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
    Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    Mat 17:10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
    Mat 17:11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
    Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
    Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist

    Plain reading seems to confirm through Jesus that Malachi 4 is fulfilled in John the baptist. No mention is made that he will return again in the future. And Elijah (Elias) did come before the day of the Lord.

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  9. So do you guys believe that the antichrist in 2 Thess. 2 sitting in the temple shewing himself as God is physical or spiritual? Spiritual in that our hearts are the temple and anything but God exalted in your heart is Satan.

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  10. I can see no reason why the return of Christ will be a front page event, Wickus I am sure you stated this a bit off what you meant?

    This is not what scripture says.

    Mat 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
    Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
    Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
    Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    Mat 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    Mat 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    Mat 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
    Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

    The reason the Jews did not, many of them, accept Jesus was that they were expecting a conquering King, not having rightly discerned the prophecies that showed Jesus the passover lamb, taking away the sins of the world, and pay for personal sin first. Even some of the followers cried out to him to be King then, and remember the Holy Spirit had not come when Jesus was first crucified, so of course the disciples did not have that benefit. Today we do. And when Jesus returns you can bet HE will return the way he said he would return, that is why true believers are watching and praying and staying close to their bibles to make sure they are aware of what is going on.

    2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
    2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
    2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
    2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
    2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
    2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
    2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    G3485
    ναός
    naos
    nah-os’
    From a primary word ναίω naiō (to dwell); a fane, shrine, temple: – shrine, temple. Compare G2411.

    The holy place could not be holy if anyone let AC stand in his heart, that completely makes him or she unholy right? Antichrist will stand in the temple of God, which is in Jerusalem, this is exactly what the scripture says.

    I still believe the temple will be rebuilt, because you would have to spiritualize too much of the scriptures to come up with the fact that believers are the temple which antichrist will sit in claming to be God. Because if it is the believers, then we all better be real sick right now.

    The abomination of desolation is when antichrist sits in the temple of God proclaiming himself to be God. Nothing else fits the scriptures. And yes at first he comes in by flatteries and deception to gain control and favor with the ten kings, but at the time Satan enters into the son of perdition things will change I think.

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  11. Hi Roma

    First of all, I believe all of you must know by now that I do not see myself as knowing exactly how everything in prophecy will work out. I read, study, pray, get more light from the Lord, get corrected often by the Lord, but through this I believe the Lord is showing us all how everything will unfold, in His time.

    A few reasons why I don’t think we will see a rebuilt temple is as follows:

    1) According to all the signs around us and the chaos that rules in the Middle East, I do not think there will be enough time to build the temple. This is how I personally feel.

    2) Even if the temple is rebuild, it will never be a holy place to God. It will be bricks and cement were priests are rejecting the Messiahs atonement for sin. Now I ask, what will be the biggest abomination to God?(A) Priests rejecting His son by offering animals to Him or (B) someone sitting in the temple proclaiming that he is god?

    The word for the physical temple used the Gospels is the following:

    G2411
    ἱερόν
    hieron
    hee-er-on’
    Neuter of G2413; a sacred place, that is, the entire precincts (whereas G3485 denotes the central sanctuary itself) of the Temple (at Jerusalem or elsewhere): – temple

    As you can see Paul used another word for temple when describing the actions of the AC in 2 Th 2:4. The question remains; why? Is Paul referring to the temple in Jerusalem? If so, why did he use another word to describe it? The word “naos” that you have quoted is also found in Revelations describing the heavenly Temple. Why will God give us the word NAOS to describe the heavenly Temple and the word HIERON to describe the Jerusalem temple?

    1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
    1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

    Interesting that Paul use the word NAOS, the same word used for the temple the AC will sit in. As far as I can see, the HIERON (Jerusalem temple) is never used in connection with the AC or end time prophecy.

    Now don’t get me wrong, there is no way that the AC can ever defile a child of God. I am not suggesting that the AC will “sit” in the body of a Christian. I am just pointing out that this temple subject may not be as straight forward as it seems, and that we may be waiting for a rebuild temple (HIERON) that will never happen. I pray that the Lord will give us His wisdom to understand it better.

    I must go to bed now. It is Saturday already. 🙂

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  12. Oh, forgot to clarify this statement of mine: “I can see no reason why the return of Christ will be a front page event when in the times of Noah, Lot and Jesus prophecies were fulfilled, but few noticed.”

    I guess it will be understood better if I wrote that the signs of the return of Christ will not be front page events. With that I mean to not wait for a 7 year peace treaty, a messiah figure or any other big signs to make the front page news. It may not happen. The only 7 year treaty between Israel and the EU is still unnoticed by most. The AC candidate involved with the treaty is unnoticed by most.

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  13. it seems to me there is a subtlety to everything that God does. Miracles, fulfilled prophecy, storms, earthquakes. Subtle in the sense that you can be left wondering, room for doubt and for faith.

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  14. No, I will never doubt. We all agree that prophecy is being fulfilled in our lifetime. We discus the possible way forward. We agree that God does judge. We discus if a storm or quake is judgment from God. But doubt, no. God keeps us guessing for a reason. The reason is to seek Him more. So everything makes perfect sense to me.

    Wickus

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  15. I believe the mount area where the temple stood is holy…the Jews believe that too. It is not just a mount…it is the temple mount. Because of that…I believe if someone walks into the temple area where they believe the temple stood, and expresses these abominable ideas on that ground….it would fulfill the Scripture, building or not. Nkosazana

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  16. I did mean so called Christians just to double clarify 🙂
    But there also is a part of me that cant deny that even if someone accepts the lord as their savior and lives their life as righteous as possible might get the Mark due to panic and I cant see the Lord being impressed due to they have opted to accept the mark and rely on the system which in term is relying on Satan to EAT and LIVE.
    I’m sure like John when he denied Jesus people will deny Jesus and get the mark over Death or their kids not getting food.
    And those same people will have never denied Jesus in the past but when a Gun is put to someones head or Death is threatened people stop thinking rational sometimes and forget about the Lord.

    If The mark is being put on people and there will be 2 choices for everyone.. Take it or not.
    So if a christian takes the mark God will not be impressed and it says ANY MAN who takes the mark will drink the wine of the wrath of God.

    Does that mean a christian that gets the mark wont be here in the 1000 year reign?
    Or will God let them into heaven after judgment day? Do they cop the bowl judgements as punishment for accepting the lord then relying on Satan and still go to heaven?

    As Scott posted: (9) And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
    (10) The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    (11) And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    Sounds like to me: if you take the mark no matter who you are they will feel the wrath.

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  17. i remember looking into the meaning of the word used for flatteries as in the daniel passage that the ac,the god of forces, in his estate, will corrupt by flatteries./ The commentary defined the word as the distributing of money or riches. This is what solana ‘s enp is all about as the many nations that are signed into this[ agreement/ ?covenant], follow their action plans with a co-operative spirit , conforming to its design, then they receive FUNDING$$$! This is intriguing,…however, the supposed mid-term review ? seemed to blow over w/out much notice/ you know, where the individual nations involved in the policy were supposed to get their report cards???, so re-evaluation could take place if necessary. i mean this is a good- neighbor policy, isn’t it? why don’t we ever get the low down on any of the current status stuff of this instrument? who IS co-operating? and who isn’t? and what about the financial rewards for the good little doggie nations? Has any research been done by you guys on this that i missed, by chance? does this seem important to anyone besides me? Is Solana Corrupting this corner of the world by kicking them out huge amounts of cash when they individually follow suit with their custom made action plans? Is solana gaining favor w/ the many , thru the distribution of funds, or riches of some sort? Is the commentary wrong about the word translation on flatteries, being the sharing of wealth?….thats Socialism, isn’t it? Does that fit in? Does socialism have any root in this venture of the god of forces?/ or does flattery mean flattering folks by telling them they too can become gods,…as in something a new age cosmic consciousness spiritual master would teach? Do you people think that Solana would ever demand to be Worshiped? i guess to me , anythings possible in this arena, where Pride surfaces as a result of great power and success. hummmmmmm?

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  18. I believe Christians who know their Scripture will understand via a number of means what the mark means…allegiance to the beast. If you take it you are lost,…period. True Christians who know their Bible will understand the weight of the decision. Anxiety and panic is not an excuse. Can it be cut out in remorse? Interesting question? Nkosazana

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  19. H2506
    חלק
    chêleq
    khay’-lek
    From H2505; properly smoothness (of the tongue); also an allotment: – flattery, inheritance, part, X partake, portion.

    H2505
    חלק
    châlaq
    khaw-lak’
    A primitive root; to be smooth (figuratively); by implication (as smooth stones were used for lots) to apportion or separate: – deal, distribute, divide, flatter, give, (have, im-) part (-ner), take away a portion, receive, separate self, (be) smooth (-er).

    Job 17:5 flattery

    Proverbs flattery:
    Pro 6:24 To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the tongue of a strange woma

    H2513
    חלקה
    chelqâh
    khel-kaw’
    Feminine of H2506; properly smoothness; figuratively flattery; also an allotment: – field, flattering (-ry), ground, parcel, part, piece of land ([ground]), plat, portion, slippery place, smooth (thing).

    H2506
    חלק
    chêleq
    khay’-lek
    From H2505; properly smoothness (of the tongue); also an allotment: – flattery, inheritance, part, X partake, portion.

    Dan 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.

    H2519
    חלקלקּה
    chălaqlaqqâh
    khal-ak-lak-kaw’
    By reduplication from H2505; properly something very smooth; that is, a treacherous spot; figuratively blandishment: – flattery, slippery.

    H2505
    חלק
    châlaq
    khaw-lak’
    A primitive root; to be smooth (figuratively); by implication (as smooth stones were used for lots) to apportion or separate: – deal, distribute, divide, flatter, give, (have, im-) part (-ner), take away a portion, receive, separate self, (be) smooth (-er).

    Dan 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.

    H2514
    חלקּה
    chălaqqâh
    kal-ak-kaw’
    Feminine from H2505; flattery: – flattery.

    Dan 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries

    H2519
    חלקלקּה
    chălaqlaqqâh
    khal-ak-lak-kaw’
    By reduplication from H2505; properly something very smooth; that is, a treacherous spot; figuratively blandishment: – flattery, slippery.

    Thanks for pointing that one out to use Tony.

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