Comment by Adamantine:
I had not intended on posting on this again but since Wickus has done so I thought I would clarify.
First some personal history.
In my college days I was interested in a young lady and because of the influence of the Bible in Genesis where Isaac finds his future wife selected or revealed by prayer I made an effort to be informed similarly.
I was in a casual friendship with a Christian young lady who I felt might be using me to cause another young man to be jealous and as such increase his interest in her. She would keep me at arms length and yet whenever I was brought into her life the other gentleman was around to observe. This may have all been in my mind without a bit of truth but such are the effects of infatuation and the dating scene. We have all been there.
I prayed and fasted that if this young lady was to be my future wife she would ask me if I loved Jesus. Never before had I been asked such a question and it seemed singular enough to be used as a sign. Looking back I find pleasure in that i chose such an important central aspect of life but I am also unnerved by my apparent immaturity. In defense at least I was not sinning in immaturity as I sought a bride.
After two days of prayer and fasting we were together in Bible study and I attempted to ask her out on a date. She demurred and in my hypoglycemia I revealed that I was confused by her off and on behavior and that I had felt the need to pray that God would reveal to me if she were to be my wife. ( I had promised God that if she were to give me my sign and ask me if I loved Jesus Christ then I would show her the handwritten card kept in my brief case detailing and proving my” sign”.
Immediately after saying to her that I had prayed in this manner she said to me ” You cannot do that”. I immediately said that if one had the faith of a mustard seed then God would move mountains. She immediately next said’ Do you love God? “
I was shocked and sat in silence for a long moment as I considered if this was my sign. In retrospect it clearly was not although at the time I did not want to deny the deity of Jesus nor be dishonest and/or show lack of courage to reveal my “sign”. I showed her the card and my guess was that from her behavior she also was somewhat shocked. She wisely did not comment over much.
In the ensuing days she stated she felt that God was showing me that I should be loving Him more. In the ensuing months I felt she was being shown to have more faith. In the meantime we separated and she went on to marry the other man in the story.
For my part I became engaged and four years later while already engaged I saw my betrothed wearing a button that said
” Jesus is the Answer” thinking of nothing in particular I asked her if Jesus was the answer then what was the question?
She responded by asking ” Do you love Jesus?” This was her way of saying that was the question. I responded yes and have since pondered all the years of our marriage if that was the second completion of my first question asked four years earlier. It felt like God’s way of confirming our engagement and being faithful to my faith and prayer as well. I remain highly suspicious that this was true but it remains a mystery of my life.
Now onto the current issue related to 11/11/11.
In October 2008 while being convinced to the level of 99 % I thought the end time theories we discuss here were likely true. I had no credibility as a speaker to my church and because I thought that surely if we were in the last seven years then surely earthquakes were on the way. I asked God to reveal to me the date of the scientifically expected someday occurring ” West coast, California Earthquake”. One would have thought I had matured and would never again ask for a sign but here I was doing it again. I had never before in my life discussed such a thing with anyone nor had I ever been made aware of a specific day for a California earthquake. I wondered how God would/could reveal a date to me. I hoped and expected that He would do so.
About two weeks later I received unsolicited from a friend an e-mail in which she stated someone was preaching about the date of the California earthquake and it was to be 11/11/08.
Here is a portion of the email I was sent on October 27, 2008 :
You know about the prophectic words about 11:11 (Jer 11:11 and Isaiah 11:11) and how something may happen in Nov time frame out in California with a big earth quake. Nov 11 is the deal. I don’t like setting dates, but Ben Fisher preached about a dream that he had about this date. I wonder if a big power grid maybe envolved. don’t know. I have had a spirit of heaviness lately that is not from worry or my life. I can’t explain it. I wonder if the Lords just put it in my spirit of things to come. Not sure.
Tuesday I will be in the cities overnight as I drop my parents at the airport.
say hi to dawn, God Bless your work…
I went to the web and listened to the sermon and had two friends also listen and they agreed that the pastor was saying the 11/11/08 date was the day for the upcoming earthquake.
Here is what I then sent to the Church I had promised to God that I would do so if given a date for a California earthquake:
E MAIL 1 November 1, 2008
Several weeks ago I was distressed by most people being unimpressed by the current state of world events and the possible prophetic scenario as I see it.
Feeling that California was flirting with disaster because of its sins and the possible enshrinement of homosexual marriage in the states law come November 4 as well as the knowledge of the overdue scientific nature of the someday coming big California earthquake I asked in prayer that God would reveal to me the date of that unfortunate event. This seemed to me to be adequate miraculous proof of Gods intervention and alarm.
I affirmed that if He would do so I would share it with xxxxxx church and xxxxxx churches so that they would see that by this fulfillment they should look carefully at end time studies. I closed the prayer with a realization that I could not imagine how such a specific date could be given me. I have prayed in the past and seen God communicate despite my inability to imagine how He might do it. I was of the expectation that it was fairly soon however or would not have chosen this sign.
This week XXXXXXX in an e-mail revealed unsolicited to me that a person by the name of Ben Fisher had in some manner seen November 11 of this year as a date for a California earthquake. Given that no one in my entire life has ever spoken to me of dating a California earthquake here just weeks after my prayer I had a date given to me for such an event. Despite the quirky manner in which this date was given to me I must view it as an answer to my prayer whatever else it may have been for Ben Fisher.
In some ways I will be as surprised as anyone should such an event occur. On the other hand I cannot help but see it in the same way I have seen prayer answered for my personal life in days past. I will have cash in hand and prepare for eventualities of the day and may short sell some California asset.
I am sorry to think judgement is coming but the judgements of God are true and righteous altogether. He has His way in the whirlwind.
I am praying for mercy for all of His people possibly affected. I am praying for the repentance and deliverance of all who will turn to God in an efficacious manner.
While I have a sense it is linked to the failure of proposition 8 to stop homosexual marriage becoming the law of the land in California I am not sure of that.
If it passes I do not know for sure if the judgement will pass.
I do know if it does not happen it will be the end of my attempt to hear from God for an audience larger than my own family, I will not deserve to be stoned but I will cease to share such prayer possibilities for the church.
I did not learn until tonight that Ben Fisher was associated with North Heights Church. I tried to do web searches to find him and did not succeed. Don’t tell him but he is as yet to make his mark in the secular world. :^) I have not heard him speak on this or any other topic and am not sure if I understand his take on this. Please pass this along to the prophetic roundtable. Thanks,
Where I stand today September 25, 2011 :
Of course I revealed this to the church and was embarrassed but also relieved that no earthquake had occurred. I was confused. Months later in pondering all of these things I considered that possibly I would see a later fulfillment of this sign even as I may have had occur with the “sign” related to my marriage.
I considered 11/11/11. This would in some ways be a more perfect numerical fulfillment.
11 is the number of chaos and confusion among those who study Biblical numerology. It has seemed “too cute” a number for my taste but to be honest I have again let the church know of my pondering.
I have continued to pray about this and ask for wisdom.
I am concerned but unsure of course.
My new concern relates to the fact that our nation has now accepted homosexuals into the military
and is actively recruiting them. Barak Obama last week before the whole world spoke to the United Nations and approved this change.
The USA military has become the premier leading edge for the changes sought by those who wish to see homosexuality approved.
The USA has become the leading edge of the nations of the world in seeking to accept homosexuality. I tremble when I remember that God will someday judge such folly.
The problem is that 11/11/11 is “Veterans Day” in the USA when we honor the military and which has now been used to bring homosexuals out of the dark and into open service.
By bringing judgment on this day the military of the US would be highlighted. Even non believers might ponder. I ponder that the earthquake in Washington that damaged the Washington monument and the national cathedral may have been warnings.
The number 11 repeated three times might alert some Christians to God’s involvement. I suppose the number repeated three times would suggest the thing is sure and serious and terrible.
I end this by saying I am not a prophet.
Admittedly attempting to hear from God in this way enters into the prophetic.
This seems unusual and unlikely. I report it because it is what I ponder in my personal walk with God. If wrong and as most likely 11/11/11 passes without
mishap we will rest easy and also share a laugh at my expense.
If in the unlikely event there is a great earthquake I will say God has spoken prophetically and have very personal reasons for expecting that these are the end times.
I hope by presenting this highly personal pondering I do not bring unwarranted criticism of those more biblical things we discuss on this site especially as if expected the day passes uneventfully.