Of rebuilt temples and stopping sacrifice

Comment by Wickus:

This is a lengthy post, but please read and comment on it. I also hope that the message will be clear as my English is not always up to standard:

Dan 9:24  Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

At the end of the 70 weeks transgression has to be finish and there has to be an end of sin. Prophecy and vision will also end. Clearly this cannot happen at the Lord’s return as there will still be sin in the millennium Kingdom. (Thanks to Mr Baldy for pointing this out). The 70th week may only end at the end of the millennium Kingdom when everything is made new and sin and death will be no more.

 Dan 9:25  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

This count for a total of 69 weeks from the commandment to restore Jerusalem unto the Messiah who shall come.

 Dan 9:26  And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

After 62 weeks, the Messiah shall be cut of or killed, but not for Himself, but for us. Please note the importance of “AFTER”. It does not say that the Messiah will be cut off at the end of the 62 weeks, but AFTER the 62nd week is complete. Now let’s speculate a bit. Let’s say Jesus was born in the 64th week. Let’s say he lived his first 30 years in the 5 year weeks ending at the 69th week. When He started His ministry with His baptism, it marked the beginning of the 70th week.

 His ministry lasted for 3.5 years, and then He was cut off/crucified.

 Now read the following verse in the light of the above mentioned.

 Dan 9:27  And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Can the covenant spoken of be the promised New Covenant between man and God, sealed by the Blood of Jesus? Did Jesus cause sacrifice and oblation to cease in the midst of the week? Let the Bible answer:

Heb 10:8-18  Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

So can it be that Jesus fulfilled the first part of Dan 9:27 and we will wait in vain for a stopping of sacrifice in the last days? If we read this Scriptures at face value, it is what is said.

But it does seem that Dan 9:27 has a dual fulfilment. Jesus Himself pointed to the second half of this verse:

Mat 24:15-16  When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the  prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

 Mar 13:14  But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Luk 21:20-21  And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

So it seems like the clock of the 70th week was stopped when Messiah was cut off and made an end to sacrific0e after 3.5 years. Now the big sign for us to watch is the AoD that will start the last 3.5 years in the  prophetic 70th week clock again. It was always strange to me why Jesus never mentioned rebuild temples, 7 year peace treaties that got broken or a stopping of sacrifice as signs to watch. Maybe they were never meant as signs, but are teachings in error. We are in a very late hour prophetically, and many Christians do not want to listen to the warnings as they are looking for rebuild temples, 7 year peace treaties and stopping of sacrifice. The end may overcome them like a flood because they are looking for things that will never happen.  

Now I know many will say that according to Paul, the Antichrist will sit in the temple of God and for that the temple needs to be rebuilt. Here is the verse in question:

2Th 2:4  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple (G3485) of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The word for temple in this verse is the following from Strong’s:

 G3485

Ναός   naos  nah-os’

From a primary word ναίω naiō (to dwell); a fane, shrine, temple: – shrine, temple.

The word used for the temple in Jerusalem throughout the New Testament is the following from Strong’s:

 G2411

ἱερόν  hieron  hee-er-on’

Neuter of G2413; a sacred place, that is, the entire precincts (whereas G3485 denotes the central sanctuary itself) of the Temple (at Jerusalem or elsewhere): – temple.

Here is what Paul says about the Christian:

 1Co 3:16-17  Know ye not that ye are the temple (G3485) of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

The word for temple used by Paul is the same word used for the temple the antichrist will exalt himself in. Clearly then the antichrist will not sit in the Jerusalem temple (G2411), but will rather look to defile the real temple of God, the true Christian (G3485).

Now were does the 7 year ENP fit into all of this? Well, I still see it as an important marker for pointing us to the antichrist and the time we live in. The ENP did not start the 70th week. I do believe that Dan 9:27 has a duel fulfilment that points us to a 7 year treaty by the man of sin. He will only show his true colours when he gets power to continue for 42 months. 42 months is all that remain in the 70th week. Before the time he will remain hidden. I also think that we will only know for sure at the AoD event, when Israel is surrounded by the armies and he pitches his tents in Israel.

I am no scholar and I am open to correction. These are only my humble understanding of the Scriptures.

Wickus

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48 thoughts on “Of rebuilt temples and stopping sacrifice

  1. You say “Let’s say he lived his first 30 years in the 69th week”. How can this be? If a week is 7 years then to live 30 years in that time period would be impossible. Am I missing something?

    Other than that, I can see what you wrote coming being true. As far as the temple being Christians, I am thinking that our heart is the temple that is desolated. If any of you have time you should go to Mike Hoggard’s Bethel Church site. He has some really good video’s and books (free). One of them is Jesus Christ, DNA, and The Holy Bible. Hoggard is big on the numerics in the Bible, the official Bible – King James. He says that the word temple(s) is in the KJV of the Bible 208 times…the number of bones in the human body. Some say 206 bones, but they are counting the sternum as 1 where a lot of people count it as 3. This video really goes over the temple being you. The video is not concerning the end times, although in other videos he does.

    There is only going to be one more Temple, but it is not going to be built by human hands. What is really interesting is God never asked anyone to build a temple. It was David’s idea…and he did not get to build it.

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  2. Excellent !!! Just what I was trying to share last July, only I concluded then that the Holy Place is very likely the temple mount. ( 2 Peter 1.18 and Matt 4.5 both use the same word to refer to the holy city or the temple mount. CHECK IT OUT !!!

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  3. i believe you’ve got it right Wickis. You research well, for sure,..Thank you, i appreciate it much. so now we have the virgin,Virgo soon to be appearing in the sky, the second heaven, clothed w/ the sun, which i think is refering to JUPITER and its BRIGHTNESS, w/ the moon under her feet and the crown{elenin}, according to stellarium.org, and the 12 stars also in the configuration in the area of her crown or of her head. and w/ venus in her womb moving to be born from btwn her legs supposedly by yom kippur in early oct./along w/ the constellation of the dragon, that John saw in his vision, waiting to devour the child???, the delivered bride of Christ??at the rapture,as the dragon or great dragon sweeps his tail and sends forth a third of the angel’s{demons-fallen angels}to engage in warfare to try and prevent the rapture! of course, they fail and raise holy or U.N.holy hell upon the earth, playing their part in the Great Tribulation’s time of Great Distress like the worlds never seen!///Are you ready? am i ready? i reckon so,…bring it,…we ain’t scared!/ THIS IS COOL BEVIS!,..all of a sudden i pictured bevis n butthead, trying to come to grips w/ all of this! My son says i am lousey at trying to imitate those dudes. i actually think i sound just like ’em. Tony says, dad, your imitation sucks, i hate to tell ya. i told him that he’s just sayin’ that cause he can’t imitate as good as me. Then he does that L sign to me as if to say i’m a loser. Then i start in to chaseing him all down the backroads, on past the creek…….its good exercise!///Carry on,…love is calling to us all…….

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  4. …hopefully before the Jesus gets back!, which hopefully is right around the corner!, however, there are other possible scenerios. i was thinking about them as i was eating my cherrios. Geeze!

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  5. …right when you think you got it all figured out, then someone says , Oh yeah, what about something, something, something, something?!, and i end up sayin’ shoot! , i plumb forgot all about that part…..then its back to the drawin’ bored again, and i mosie on home glummer than a toad, till i get my NEXT INSPIRATION!!!!!of insight n truff!

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  6. Hey Paul, ole buddy , i was unaware that you were posting comments at the same time i was. i wasn’t refering at all to your comments, as i was just half goofin’ round, but at the same time being real about how tricky it can be to piece it all together. Blessings from on High to you Paul, hope to see you soon, and now i will look at those passages of scripture you pointed to, Thanks!

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  7. hey short-tribber!! hot diggity clods-a-dirt ole boy! yer back!!! Blessings!!!, lets get together and PRAISE THE RISEN LORD! i’m gonna phone you right now n try my luck, hope to reach you.

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  8. hey short-tribber!! hot diggity clods-a-dirt ole boy! yer back!!! Blessings!!!, lets get together and PRAISE THE RISEN LORD! i’m gonna phone you right now n try my luck, hope to reach you.we got rain up here,..and lots of it!

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  9. Here’s that link tony……………get ready fer lots-a-info!

    http://www.beholdthebeast.com/index.htm

    It’s not against any rules to post this is it? the website says I can post or link any of it.

    Shadows and shadows…..layers and layers of prophecy…….we’re in the thick of things in more than ONE WAY I think!

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  10. As usual good post Wickus but still there is,

    KJV Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
    12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
    13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

    NIV:11 And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days. 13 But go your way till the end. And you shall rest and shall stand in your allotted place at the end of the days.”

    Jesus rose 3 days after he died (that was an event) also I don’t see any event after his death 45 days later that was a blessing, The only big event after his death was the desecration of the Temple/Jerusalem by Rome.

    SO it seems that with the “Stunning the animal first law in the ENPI” definitely fits.
    Also remember the Sanhedrin still want to sacrifice due to they only think Jesus was a prophet and think they still need to sacrifice. So they will keep trying and if they could they would have already being doing it.
    Also the Red Heifer they have is going to be used for something.

    I’m not sure either way but Daniel 12 seems to imply at the end of the reign of the Antichrist.

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  11. Very good observation Lafreak. While compiling my little hypothesis, these verses totally skipped my mind. I will have to do a little bit more studying and praying to see how and if it fits the “no end time sacrifice” model. So for now I do not have a clever answer. 8)

    Will jump into it asap.

    Wickus

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  12. The language is the same in English in the other two refs………but………the similarity ceases there.

    There other two are only the “DAILY”………………and can find it’s fulfillment in many ways, whereas in 9:27 the Hebrew word equivalent is “Sacrifice” as in AN “atoning Sacrifice”.

    Christ OUR Sacrifice was ONCE offered and Caused all Sacrifice(Atoning Sacrifice) to CEASE.

    I have the next answer to the next question…..and will post it when i have time

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  13. Mr shorttribber,

    I am amazed on how God works. I was taking a stroll to court while thinking about these sacrifices. I got back, opened Esword and looked for the words and meanings in Strong’s. I was amazed that only the sacrifice in Dan 9:27 has got a Strong’s reference, the meaning as follows:

    zeh’-bakh
    From H2076; properly a slaughter, that is, the flesh of an animal; by implication a sacrifice (the victim or the act): – offer (-ing), sacrifice.

    And then your comment came in… Can Dan 9:27 refer to Jesus and the other verses to some other type of offering?

    Wickus

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  14. “I am amazed on how God works.”

    Just wait till the “Confirmation of The Covenant with Many”……..part two begins…….I have a feeling we have only begun to be “amazed”!

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  15. Did some research on “sacrifice” in Hebrew. You can check it yourself on this link:

    http://interlinearbible.org/daniel/12-11.htm

    Dan 9:27 is the only place were the Hebrew word for sacrifice is used, meaning a blood or animal sacrifice.

    Dan 12:11 and other places in Daniel were the English says “the daily sacrifice”, the original Hebrew only says “the daily” and does not mention sacrifice. The word Sacrifice has been added and is shown in italics.

    Now I am no expert in Hebrew and I do not know why the original “the daily” was maybe a reference to sacrifice.

    I am trying to research this on Google, but there are more 7th day advent sites discussing it that anyone else.

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  16. The “Daily” at the “Wailing Wall” will soon be interrupted……..that’s what I believe will fulfill those refs. to the “Daily” in Dan. 12.

    and as I said…..soon i think.

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  17. …then theres the shiollette of the 7 day Jewish wedding ceremony pattern n profile n shadow of things to come, where the bridegroom takes His bride away for 7 days alone! 7 yrs.?…2011-2018, and sabattical cycles ending w/ a yr. of JUBILEE!

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  18. sorry about the poor spelling, and for vagueness{geeze, i hope i spelt that correctly} as i throw it out there in fragments. The Romantic Beauty of Yahsua’s Return for His Bride following the Jewish Wedding Ceremony pattern…blows me away as much as the concept and incredible truth of His Amazing GRACE! we have good things to look forward too, and plenty of reason for HOPE as the SONSHINE is approaching! IT’LL SHINE WHEN IT SHINES! you betcha!

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  19. Going UP???, anyone? climb aboard and begin to activate yer prayer capsules…7,6,5,4,3,2,…are ya ready??? not to worry, i’m not the one steerin’ this rig!///Love, tony

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  20. …i’m off to google land,..as if anyone kares. I’m going to google the Jewish Wedding Ceremony as it relates to Yashua’s return for His Bride!

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  21. Hi Wickus,

    As I read your comments on this thread, and how you are trying to put this all together, I say that may God continue to bless you.

    Daniel 12:11-12 has to be considered in your hypothesis – as LaFreak has mentioned, and it absolutely cannot be overlooked. There will be some sort of cessation of sacrifice that works in conjunction wtih the A0D.

    So now the questions that need to be answered are:

    1) Does Daniel 9:24-27 have multiple meanings?
    2) Did Jesus fulfill the 1st half of the 70th week?
    3) Will there be a rebuilt Temple prior to the Return of Christ?
    4) Does the coming Antichrist literally take a seat in the Temple?
    5) What starts the 70th week?

    I want to take some time to answer some of these questions that many may have at heart, and provided a different view. (All in my very humble opinion of course)

    First, I believe that Daniel 9:24-27 does have multiple meanings. If one were to say that Jesus fulfilled the 1st half of the week – then He would also have to be the “prince of the people” that is mentioned. Otherwise, the plain reading of Daniel 9:24-27 makes no sense. I do not believe this to be the case.

    I believe that Daniel 9:24-27 is speaking of both the Messiah, and the coming Antichrist. The point in which Jesus is mentioned (verses 25 and 26) point to the timing of the birth of Christ, and His death – not that the fulfillment that half of the 70th week has been completed in the 3.5 year of Jesus’ ministry. This completes the 69th week. Verse 26 also mentions the coming Antichrist and continues on in verse 27 in mentioning the “Covenant with Many” that he will confirm for 7 years. The confirmation of the “Covenant with Many” is a “marker” that points to the fact, that the timing of the A0D is about to occur – and not an indicator that the 70th week has begun.

    The 70th week “may” actually begin at the A0D. Let me explain………

    We know that the coming Antichrist is given 3.5 years to reign. From the time that the daily sacrifice, and the A0D there will be 1,290 days. (Daniel 12:11) This is 1, 260 days – or 3.5 years but then there is an additional 30 day period bringing it to 1,290 days. I believe that the daily sacrifices are stopped, and then A0D occurs 30 days later. Scripture seems to indicate that the A0D is what will be noticed. The cessation of sacrifice won’t necessarily be anything that will be noticed, or understood at that point; but Jesus Himself tells us that when we “see” the A0D, those in Judea should flee to the mountains. This is where the required “let the reader understand” comes in. This is why I believe that a 1,290 time period is given in Daniel 12:11,and a possible clue that something BIG is about to occur, such as the A0D, and would allow time for the Antichrist to step in. At the time that the A0D occurs – this is when I that the Antichrist ‘s 3.5 year reign begins, and the 70th week also begins.

    After the Antichrist has reigned for 3.5 years or 1,260 days; then lets add the time in which the cessation of sacrifices was stopped, coming to 1,290 days – we then have Christ Returning on day 1,335. (This includes an unknown point in which the Bride of Christ has been Raptured from His Wrath – as the “Elect’s” days are cut short from the persecution of the Antichrist). We have now completed just a little over 3.5 years. A special blessing is given to those who overcome and make it to day 1,335; in that they will be the Nations that came against Jerusalem, but were allowed to enter the Millennial Kingdom. They will be the ones who re-populate the Earth, and will be in mortal bodies. (Zechariah 14:16-18). We will have immortal bodies, and it appears as if we will co-exist with those who re-populate the Earth.

    Christ Rules and Reigns for 1,000 years – which counts as a single day, as far as the 70th week is concerned. Christ must Rule and Reign until He has placed all enemies under His feet; and the last enemy to be destroyed is “Death” (1 Corinthians 15:20-28). After the 1,000 year Reign of Christ – Satan is let loose from his prison – “for a little season”. (Revelation 20:7-10) This could be a time period less than 3.5 years to finally complete the 70th week. When Satan is let loose, to deceive the Nations, and is defeated at the Gog-Magog war.

    Then the 70th week is completed.
    The Great White Throne Judgement happens.
    Christ then hands over the Kingdom to God the Father – so that God may be all in all.
    The Eternal Kingdom begins.

    In closing, at I usually say – I am NOT dogmatic about this view. But I believe that we have a final 3.5 year period that we are looking at; as far as it pointing to the beginning of the 70th week – if that makes sense. It starts at the A0D, and can be viewed as being near; once a 7 year Covenant with Many has been “confirmed” by the coming Antichrist. Is the ENP(I) it? Well, I think that it is. Is a rebulit Temple necessary? I don’t think so – it may be possible that when the coming Antichrist “shows” himself; or “displays” himself as God – this could be an existing Temple. What exactly is the A0D……well, it could be when the armies surround Jerusalem – or it could be some sort of image or idol standing in a place that it should not (Holy Place) – this could be some sort of deal happening at the wailing wall, as the armies surround Jerusalem. At this point I’m still very unsure.

    What I am sure of is that the End is near. When Israel is finally divided – I’m sure that we will have more answers.

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  22. Mr Baldy, thanks for your well explained comment,

    First of all I just want to say that the reason for me writing posts as these one, is to try to make sense of the current time we are living in. We are watching events unfolding that most Christians do not even want to consider as they need to see the 7 year peace treaty, rebuild temple and a sacrifice stopped. If we see the AoD (I am also not sure what it will be) a month or 6 from now without these things happening, how will the “normal” christian relate to it? That is my big concern. It will be much easier if there is a temple in Jerusalem, JS confirmed a peace treaty with Israel and the Sanhedrin started a sacrificial system again. But we don’t have that luxury.

    Secondly, your explanation can very well happen. It is supported by Scripture and that is what we need.

    Thirdly, I believe that Dan 9:27 has a dual fulfillment as it gives us the marker of the 7 year ENPi. We have concluded in the past that the ENP is not the 70th week, but it points to the time we are living in.

    I will be the first to rejoice if we see a classic “Left Behind” fulfillment unfold, but I fear that it will not be that simple.

    And I am also not dogmatic. By posting posts like this one opens yourself up for critic, but iron sharpens iron and that is how we all learn. I welcome Scriptural critic.

    And lastly, I thank the Lord for all of you. You are in my prayers. The end is closer than we think and it will come like a flood.

    Wickus

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  23. 11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days (1290 days).

    12Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days (1335 days).

    But…. Could there still be a stopping of the clock for the 70th week in the midst of these verses? For instance if Christ stopped the daily sacrifice by being the ultimate sacrifice, stops the clock, then the starting of the clock starts at the A.O.D. and then 30 days later the appearing of the two witnesses.

    The 1290 and 1335 days, actually could relate to the 1260 days starting with the A.O.D. + 30 days that the 2 witnesses appear, which is 1290 then the 75 days inferred between Jewish holidays between Yom Kippur and Hanukkah which is 75 days. The 75 days is obviously between 1260 and 1335.

    Just a thought…

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  24. Wickus,

    You are certainly right “iron does sharpen iron”. It is a good thing when you can open up a forum for discussions such as this, it should never be viewed as being attacked by the critic -even if one wants to be critical. I for one certainly hope that I have not come off as being a critic, as I am open to anyone who can show me where I can improve. This is a very good thing that you are doing, and hopefully it will edify the Body of Christ as a whole.

    Most of what I have posted has comes from discussions with other members of the Body of Christ; such as yourself, and Scott (Born to Watch) – and attempting to put this whole thing together. We know that we have some of the “road signs” that are obviously in place.

    As far as the final (70th) week is concerned. We must read 1 Corinthians 15:20-28.

    20) But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21) For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23) But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24) Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25) For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26) The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27) For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28) Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

    After reading 1 Corinthians 15:20-28, I believe that it can be pointed out that this works in conjunction with Daniel 9:24 in that there are six (6) requirements that must be fulfilled within the given 70 week time period cannot be fulfilled until Christ has Reigned. The completion will be after the Millennial Reign of Christ.

    Here are the requirements:

    Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city:

    1) To finish the transgression,
    2) To make an end of sins,
    3) To make reconciliation for iniquity,
    4) To bring in everlasting righteousness,
    5) To seal up vision and prophecy,
    6) And to anoint the Most Holy.

    Hi BerryBlueBerry,

    I think that I understand what you are saying. However, I believe that the stopping of the “clock” ended at the death of Christ as indicated in Daniel 9:26.

    Scripture then mentions how the people of the prince who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary and “he” – (this same prince) shall confirm a Covenant with Many for 7 years, and in the “midst” of this same Covenant he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. This speaks of a “confirmed” Covenant – what Covenant did Jesus confirm for a period of 7 years? This is yet another reason why I cannot believe that this is speaking of Christ.

    Reading on to Daniel 12:11 which ties in to the “confirmed” Covenant with Many in that it gives a specific marker; being the cessation of sacrifice, that unites with the A0D to total 1, 290 days.Even if one were to say that they occur on the same day; at this juncture we still cannot say that the 70th week will have concluded after the 1,290 days are completed – then Christ Returns.

    In closing, the only 7 year anything that I believe that is mentioned – as far as the Return of Christ is concerned is the fact that the coming Antichrist confirms this Covenant for 7 years. Again, I believe that at this point, that same Covenant will have served as a “marker” – we should be looking for the A0D to occur sometime during this same 7 year time period. We are given specifics about the time that the Antichrist will reign; 1, 260 days – which ties into the entire 70th week period, as well as the time that Jews are protected in the wilderness. So at this point, I don’t think that it can be proven with Scripture that Jesus fuliflled 3.5 years of the 70th week, and only 3.5 years remain. Daniel 12:11-13 refutes this thinking as well.

    In the plain reading of Scripture all we know is that the Antichrist will rule for 3.5 years; and the Jews are protected in the wilderness for 3.5 years – at some point in this 3.5 year period the days are cut short for the Body of Christ as they are Raptured. We have been taught wrong with the whole “Left Behind” series type thinking – and many of us are stuck on believeing that a final 7 year time period is left, or a total of 2520 days which has to be completed prior to the Return of Christ. Some believe that the 70th week has halves of two 3.5 year periods – the 1st half being “The Tribulation”; and the other half being “The Great Tribulation”. Some believe that we only have a 3.5 year period that remains prior to the Return of Christ. Some believe that the Rapture occurs prior to any portion of the 70th week commencing, and occurs at some unknown time.

    At this juncture, I no longer think that any of these ways of thinking is the correct view.

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  25. Mr. Baldy stated, “Scripture then mentions how the people of the prince who shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary and “he” – (this same prince) shall confirm a Covenant with Many for 7 years, and in the “midst” of this same Covenant he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. This speaks of a “confirmed” Covenant – what Covenant did Jesus confirm for a period of 7 years? This is yet another reason why I cannot believe that this is speaking of Christ.” – This point…

    I think as Iron sharpens Iron this is a great posting Wickus…

    We need to spur one another on in outside of the box thinking… We all know that however it happens most will not recognize it, and even now as I consider it… It may be a mute point.

    As Adamantine has said before… – “Patience”… It will all unfold right before our eyes. We will be watching…

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  26. “what Covenant did Jesus confirm for a period of 7 years? This is yet another reason why I cannot believe that this is speaking of Christ.”

    here’s the answer.

    The “Everlasting Covenant is everlasting, not seven years long”, that’s the objection I’ve heard repeatedly. Yes it is, and I am aware of that but just because the covenant itself is everlasting does not mean the CONFIRMATION of the EVERLASTING COVENANT must be everlasting also.
    This short example should help explain the difference between the confirmation and the covenant itself…….
    How long does it take to shake hands or sign a document? If we CONFIRM an agreement via handshake or signature it will only take a limited amount of time, but what we AGREE ON (COVENANT) ON may last many, many years, or for the remainder of our lives.

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  27. for a long time, I have been a watcher and praying for the bride of Christ to be ready, especially as Sept. comes around each year, (some teachings from Zola Levitt and The Feasts of the Lord, book by Kevin Howard and M. Rosenthal). The sacrifice and AoD have been areas where I lack understanding and have often asked the Holy Spirit to clarify for me. I did again, ask the Lord about the ‘sacrifice’ on Sunday and read in John 15:7.8 where our Lord instructs ‘If you abide in Me and my words abide in you, you will ask what you desire and it shall be done for you. By this My Father is glorified that you bear much fruit; so you will be my disciples.’
    Maybe it is not the season to know now- yet the fruit is being ripened/. Our Heavenly Father is the Vinedresser and Jesus Christ is the True Vine.

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  28. …no promises guys, but that may have been my last transmission. for i have activated my “prayer capsule”. see you there

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  29. All good points but on the topic of stopping sacrifice as i said before all they need to do is make them stun the livestock first.
    That in itself stops sacrifice due to it isn’t the right way to do it “stunning the animal first” so there doesn’t really even need to be sacrifice happening as all they need to do it create laws to prevent it. And sure enough they already have that law there 🙂
    So all animals whether its for food or religious events will have to be stunned first.
    That is the end of sacrifice…

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  30. Shortribber,
    You wrote, The “Daily” at the “Wailing Wall” will soon be interrupted.

    Right or wrong, I am with you 100% on this understanding.
    ———————————————————————————————
    Mr.Baldy,
    With regard to your first post on this thread that begins with, “As I read your comments on this thread, and how you are trying to put this all together”

    You know I am with you on the understanding that you have articulated so very well.

    Your consideration of the 30 day time period is a new twist I had not considered before.
    I have still been of the mindset that this could very well be the time period following the 1,260 (1,261 to 1,290) during which the antichrist (man of sin) has been permitted to reign that may contain the 7 bowl judgments as well as “the Battle of that great day of God Almighty” (Rev. 16:14).

    Below, we see that Jesus begins to reign and the “fireworks” are not yet over.

    Revelation 11:14-19 (KJV)
    (14) The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

    (15) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    (16) And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
    (17) Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

    (18) And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
    (19) And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

    Are we being told that Jesus begins to reign on day 1,261?

    Your numbered listing out of the following is most excellent and makes it extremely clear.

    You wrote; “Here are the requirements:”

    “Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city:”

    1) To finish the transgression,
    2) To make an end of sins,
    3) To make reconciliation for iniquity,
    4) To bring in everlasting righteousness,
    5) To seal up vision and prophecy,
    6) And to anoint the Most Holy.

    Scott

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  31. Does anyone else think that the meaning of “cutting those days short” refers to how the days go by much faster than before, as if time itself has sped up, and that the predetermined set of days will not change?

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  32. It would actually be very clever in my thinking. The man of sin has been allotted a certain amount of days, but God could have shortened his reign by shortening the length of the days. Kind of like giving someone 1260 bags of rice and filling them only part way. Maybe that could also be a factor in why Satan will be so angry because “his time is short”. It would be amusing to me if he felt “jipped”. Even so, 1260 days is not a lot of time anyway.

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  33. and the AoD can easil occur on a wing of the temple if he is the muslim / mahdi receiving the spirit of mohammed the prophet. cf check out walid shoebat ‘end times today’.

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