Hal Lindsey Explains


Comment by Adamantine:

Thanks to  Nonymouse for the link.

Hal Lindsey does an excellent job discussing the WEU and its importance to the advance of prophecy in Europe.

Too bad he will not discuss the ENPI.

Being too steeped in one theory often blocks ones ability to consider another. I would love to hear his explanation as to why the ENPI fails.


16 thoughts on “Hal Lindsey Explains

  1. Adamantine you wrote: “I would love to hear his explanation as to why the ENPI fails.”

    I would venture to say that he is not even recognizing the 7 year duration ENPI covenant because of his understanding that he has adopted with regard to the timing of the rapture related to a 7 year long period of tribulation. The popular teaching speaks of the antichrist making a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years even though scripture does not say this.

    We of course know that there is no 7 year long tribulation spelled out in scripture, only 42 months worth. We also know that there is nothing in scripture to indicate that believers would be raptured up before that non existent 7 year period of time would begin.

    If he vocally spoke out about the ENPI possibly being the actual covenant spoken of in Daniel 9:27, then he would have to throw out his previous understandings that he and so many others are continuing to hold on to even though scripture does not support them.


  2. Hi All,

    As I read Scott’s comments, I couldn’t help but think of how many modern day teachers – such as Hal Lindsey, who have made money and/or profit off of the books that they have sold, or the teachings that they teach, and some of them either have questions about what they have taught, or down right know that what they have put out there to the World is wrong.

    I would venture to say that because of how the public would react to them saying that they were wrong, that they would rather let the false teachings remain – than to face ridicule, by admitting that they had been wrong, or possibly even having the dignity, and humility to recall such books, and literature.

    We who are following the ENP(I) theory are not wrong in doing so. Let me please state my case.

    Most of us know that the Book of Daniel works with the Book of Revelation, in that the prophecies told by the Prophet Daniel, are once again stated in the Book of Revelation. Daniel is given a vision, in which he describes the Fourth and final Kingdom that will arise before the Return of Christ. He describes 10 horns which are associated with Kings or Nations, but after these 10 arise, he describes a “little one” (or horn) that has the eyes of a man. I find this very interesting.

    Daniel 7:7-8 reads:

    7) “After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, terrifying and dreadful and exceedingly strong. It had great iron teeth; it devoured and broke in pieces and stamped what was left with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. 8) I considered the horns, and behold, there came up among them another horn, a little one, before which three of the first horns were plucked up by the roots. And behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking great things.” (ESV)

    We who are following the ENP(I) theory, believe that these 10 Kings which have come out of the Fourth Empire (EU), are Nations; or the WEU. The WEU made rise to a person in “Article 666” in their legislature, after they were established. And Guess What….? This “little one” or “horn” literally has the “eyes of a man”.

    Now for those of you who say the WEU is now defunct, and the person that arose to power after they were established is now retired. Well, we know two things about this sort of doubt, that can absolutely be supported with Scripture: 1) The coming Antichrst must “remain hidden” until the proper time that he can be revealed. 2) The 10 horns don’t receive a Kingdom – but they do give their power and authority to the coming Antichrist for one hour. The WEU although it appears to be defunct; it still remains in position to hold it’s former powers – which is very ironic as far as the way this may all fit into End Time Prophecy. Now let’s take a look at Revelation 17:11-13.

    Revelation 17:11-13 reads:

    11) ” The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition. 12) “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast. 13) These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.” (NKJV)

    We also know from Scripture that the coming Antichrist “must remain hidden”; until the proper time in which he can be revealed. (2 Thessalonians 2:6-8)

    2 Thessaloninas 2:6-8 reads:

    6)” And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7) For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8) And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.”

    There are many misconceptions about the coming Antichrist – (another topic)….but I will say that based on what we know from Scripture (mentioned above); how can the facts which support the ENP(I) theory, not be a very strong consideration at this point?

    Now as I continue, I want to mention after reading the aforementioned, I truly believe that the Beast in which verse 11 mentions in Daniel 17 is a Beast Kingdom – and is the first Beast that arises out of the “sea” in Revelation 13. How can those who view the WEU – which are Nations, as “The Ten”, not consider that this Beast is a Empire (Nations); and not a man? This is why (today) we continue to see the EU have it’s iron and clay mixture, but eventually we will see it’s rise to unite as a Super State, and eventually give it’s authority to the coming Antichrist, and him alone, and not a second person commonly identified as the “False Prophet” – who in my humble opinion is the Antichrist.

    I had to lay the groundwork for what I am about to ask……..

    The question now is: “How will the coming Antichrist come to Power?”

    If we know that he is to remain hidden, exactly what is it that propells him to carryout the missions that Scripture says he will? If he is to “remain hidden” how can he just suddenly appear on the scene, and “The Ten” just happen to give them their power – without some sort of crisis, or devine intervention of some sort? Is he behind the scenes awaiting the moment that he can be called upon, working his way to this Position by flatteries? Isn’t it at least a bit suspicious that when the Lisbon Treaty was to unite the powers of the European Union, that the one who was given such powers over their Foreign Policy decided to step down? Isn’t it suspicious that the one who took his place had no Foreign Policy experience? How many people in Leadership Positions, or Positions of power, actually step down without being asked, or some sort of pressure is placed upon them to step down? I mean COME ON……… are we who have been watching – are to just cast all this suspicion to the side, and all of the “road signs” that support such suspicion, just because: 1) The Rapture of the Church didn’t happen; 2) We saw no cessation of sacrifice; 3) There is no rebuilt Temple; 4) The “midst” of the ENP(I) appears to have past; and 5) The WEU is now defunct; and the European Union appears to be in crisis?

    In closing, after mentioning all that I have mentioned, I am reminded of how Jesus WARNS the Church to WATCH and PRAY. Why is Jesus warning the Church to Watch, and to Pray? Well, it’s so we won’t be caught by unawares. So that we may be found worthy to escape what is about to come upon the Earth. The Day of the Lord will catch many by surprise. It will come to many unexpectantly – they won’t be prepared; as it will come like a “theif in the night”. People will be going on like business as usual. They won’t heed the signs, thinking that certain things have to be in place – or following strange teachings, and false doctrines. The Day of the Lord will be sudden, and without warning.

    1 Thessalonians 5:1-3 reads:

    The Day of the Lord

    1) “Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. 2) For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3) While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.” (ESV)


  3. Mr. Baldy…

    Revelation 13:15 – The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

    Might I also add that the second beast gives breath of life to the first beast, meaning in essence they can’t survive without each other. The First Beast or Beast Systems needs someone to head it or to bring it to life in a manner of speaking, so if a crisis happens then out of the ashes comes forth the beasts one from the sea which we are witnessing now and then one from the earth. But I believe they come at the same time and or really close to one another.

    I also think the crisis is going to relate to the Economies of the World. And my reason for this is from Revelation 13:16-17.

    The natural disaster that have taken place in all reality as not killed a lot of people, but have damaged a lot of farm lands. Thus food prices have gone through the roof (because our food supplies are diminished), put that in conjunction with printing money to pay off debt, gets you your hyper-inflation, unemployment, and thus a crisis of “Apocalypse”. We already see people rioting in nations over food. But again, this is my speculation and I could be wrong… There are many other things that could spur on a crisis. So to coin the phrase of Mr. Baldy – “I’m not dogmatic on this”.

    Revelation 13 – The Full Passage:
    The Beast out of the Earth
    11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
    18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666.


  4. Comment by Adamantine:
    Mr Baldy:
    You are always appreciated as you make your well reasoned arguments as to why things still may be lining up.


  5. Agreed With Adamatine – a pair of excellent posts by Mr. Baldy and Berryblueberry

    Boy I’m thinking more and more each day we need to well organized spreadsheet with every verse of last days prophetic bible text where we can ID what definitely has been fulfilled, possibly has been fulfilled and remains to be fulfilled – along with an explanation why and maybe links to evidence in the public domain.

    Why do I love spreadsheets so much? I don’t really know, a professional hazard maybe.


  6. Comment by Wickus;

    Mr Baldy, in response to your comment, I sometimes wonder if people will know for sure when we enter the final 42 months. You point to the questions that will always be asked like were is the rapture, temple, sacrifice, AoD etc. and if these big signs does not happen clearly and as expected, then many will not believe we are at the end. Do you realize that if the AoD is merely the dividing of Israel and Jerusalem, most people will miss the event? Do you realize that if your theory is correct and there is ONLY an AC and no false prophet, many people will not recognize the AC? I believe that is why Jesus warns us to WATCH. Thinks will NOT play out as popularly believed. Many will be asleep.

    As I have read in the past few days how many well meaning Christians do not see the earthquake and hurricane in east US as warnings from God, I realized that many will not see the disasters of Revelation as fulfillment of prophecy. The following verses always bothered me:

    Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
    Rev 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

    Did they not repent because of their stubborn hearts or did they not repent because they thought that the plaques were “natural” events. You know, God is love and He will not cause all of this?

    Friends, I hope I am wrong, but currently I am sure that most people (including Christians) will not even see the AC for who he is.


  7. I am considering that the second beast could be this rising up of Islam we’re witnessing and that the FP will be a Muslim. If a Muslim started doing miracles, calling fire down from heaven, I imagine most of the professing Christian churches wouldn’t consider any doctrinal difficulties, welcoming them into the fold without a moments hesitance.


  8. Thank you all for your kind words.

    BerryBlueBerry, I guess we are on the same sheet of music my friend. One really doesn’t have to make these things up. All we have to do is look at what is going on in the World, and compare it to what has been written in Scripture.

    Wickus, you also add some interesting thoughts. As I read Scripture, I see a World that isn’t prepared for the Return of Christ. I believe that it will be business as usual up until the point in which the Wrath of God is poured out, and the Church is removed. This will be sudden, and without warning. This is one reason why I believe in the Pre-Wrath position – otherwise, I would be Post Trib.

    Many will not recognize the Antichrist – they will probably think that he is a mere Politician in control of the EU making war. Scripture even mentions that some nations will make war against the Beast System that he controls. When he is revealed, who is he revealed to? Is it the Church…or the World as a whole. I believe that a case can be made that futher disproves any Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory; in that when the Antichrist is “revealed” it is to notify the Church, as they are still here on Earth – just as Scripture mentions. Why would the Antichrist have to be revealed to an unbelieving World?

    I also believe that when the requirement comes to receive the “Mark of the Beast”, that this will not last very long, and will be right towards the very end of the 42 months. Food shortages will be so rampart, that people will take the Mark so that they can eat.

    Yes…..I certainly believe that things will unfold which are not common to the popular teachings. This is why we must continue to Watch and Pray.


  9. I forgot to add…….

    I don’t think that most will even recognize the A0D when it occurs.

    Which brings about another comment: Folks it’s a very good think that we are “watching”. If what we are seeing by way of the ENP(I) turns out to be true, then we may notice the A0D.

    The Jews that are in Judea are told to flee to the mountains, and not to even bother about going to take anything out of their own homes for preparation. In other words, they must flee immediately! Judea is ironically the section of Israel – (which will be divided) that will go towards a Palestinian State.

    Even if we are unclear about whether or not the A0D has occurred, then a good indicator would be that the Jews that are in Judea have fled to the mountains. I’m sure this will be on some National News station. What if this occurs during the timing of the ENP(I) period……..will you believe it then?

    What will you do?


  10. Comment by Adamantine:
    I do not yet have a strong reason to abandon more conventional ideas of what the AOD might be except that I am most suspicious it will involve going into the Dome of the Rock which may have the Holy of Holies within and declaring Islam/the AC is somehow here.
    I appreciate the productive thinking people are doing on this site.
    On many sites they are so beholden to the earlier versions set out by others in books that they may have become trapped.
    Books are to deliver one the thoughts of others and not the absolute truths. I do not worship at the feet of Augustine Luther or Calvin. They contributed mightily but only contributed


  11. Comment by Wickus:

    If things happen according to conventional ideas, I will be very happy. It will be much easier to pin the tail on the donkey and warn people. But I have this nagging feeling for years that events will not play out as generally believed.

    I like the way people on this site thinks out of the box. If things happen in unconventional ways, we will not be caught off guard. So I encourage different views supported by Scripture. It keeps us studying the Word to see if it is so.

    Thank you all and God bless.


  12. Read this last night….

    Daniel 11:31

    New International Version (NIV)
    31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

    New American Standard
    31 Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice. And they will set up the abomination of desolation.

    King James
    31And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


  13. Adamantine you wrote:

    “I do not yet have a strong reason to abandon more conventional ideas of what the AOD might be except that I am most suspicious it will involve going into the Dome of the Rock which may have the Holy of Holies within and declaring Islam/the AC is somehow here.”

    Then BerryBlueBerry provided Daniel 11:31 in various translations.

    Let me first state that Adamantine, the “more conventional ideas” is why I chose to join this web-site. I thought that conventional ideas were WRONG – as far as it has related to the Rapture of the Church, and End Time events. It pleased me that Wickus reached out to me, and let me know about this web-site, despite any differences that he, you, or others may have had about my boldness, and very strong opinions. You also welcomed me as a brother – for that I thank you. And I kindly thank you all for putting up with me.

    The so-called “conventional ideas” of teaching Scripture of any magnitude should ALWAYS be compared with Scripture. Not that God changes, but man’s ideas often do – especially when it comes to money, and how money, and a way of life can be obtained by preaching and teaching False Doctrines is concerned – even through ignorance. How many cults have been formed based on those who were looking for the Truth – only to be mislead by some charismatic person who orated well?

    In saying what I have mentioned, and looking at what you have written, then I am assumming that you are referring to the fact that the A0D occurs, when the coming Antichrist takes a seat in the Temple; in which he displays himself as God. If this is true, then I find that this is an “conventional idea” – as far as what the A0D is, and I further find absolutely no Scriptural support to clarify that claim. What the actual A0D actually is, has probably been assummed, by many in my opinion. This is why the “reader must understand” what is going on at that time, and place. (Matthew 24:15)

    Even as BerryBlueBerry has provided Daniel 11:31 – which I believe was fulfilled with Antiochus Epiphanes; when he “defiled the temple”; and took away the daily sacrifices – the defiling came in when he sacrificed a pig on the altar. I personally believe that the actual “ABOMINATION THAT CAUSED DESOLATION” was the idol statue in honor of the Olympian god Zeus, which was placed in the Temple.

    Before I get too far ahead of myself, let me do state that a man taking a seat in the Temple of God – showing himself as God – is not an “abomination” in my opinion; (if you are referring to this) – as many Teachers, and Preachers do this Today, in our time. But what would be an Abomination is placing an “idol” in a “holy place” for worship. That would truly be an Abomination.

    Could this be an image of the coming Antichrist placed in a holographic type image on the Wailing Wall?

    I really don’t know at this point……I guess time will tell.


  14. Mr Baldy, for the record, I love your boldness. You have a way to stir up and question theories in such a way that a person have to go to the Word and face the naked truth about his believes. Keep it up Brother.

    I also believe that Mr Berry’s Scripture comment was related to Antiochus. That is how I always understood it. Mr Berry, you are welcome to raise your views.

    As for the future AoD event, heck, I think we can discuss it for days and still we will not be sure. What we can be sure of is that it will happen on or just after Jerusalem is divided. We can have a scenario were the UN/NATO send in troops to keep the peace on the dividing of Jerusalem process after the September vote, but the man of sin may only join them a few months later to enforce it. And then maybe only a few months later the AoD event happens.

    So even if we see the UN vote for the PA state in September, there may still be a year or so left before the last 42 months start. Or it may start a few days later.

    Time will tell.

    Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom – let your email find you!


  15. I’m going out on a limb here… so bear with me, but what if the Abomination that Causes Desolation is none other than the appointing of the Anti-Christ himself who made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast? Rev 13:12

    To worship the Image of the 1st Beast is the absolute abomination that causes desolation…

    What do we know about Abominations? For the most part Abominations are everything detestable to the LORD… Of which Idolatry is prime… (I did a word search on Abominations and there were a lot of verses about Idolatry being an abomination).

    In Revelation 13 – Idolatry
    4 People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?”
    12 the 2nd beast exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.

    2 Thessalonians 2 – This is also an abomination…
    4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

    Daniel 9:27
    And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the midst of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate.”

    Mark 13:14 – How does Abomination stand?
    “But when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.

    Just wandering here… But in all reality didn’t Jesus put a stop to the sacrifice by being the ultimate sacrifice…

    I wonder if in some way the Antichrist attempts the same… While at the same time becomes an abomination that causes desolation…


  16. I think maybe I spoke or in this case wrote to soon… I was merely thinking out loud… So I need to pray and think about this a little more…


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