Daniel 11 in modern times

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Wickus here:

 I have been studying this map and how it fits Dan 11. It is amazing how events unfolded during 2011.

Libya and Egypt has seen their governments fall by popular uprising. Sudan, just south of Egypt has seen the birth of two new countries, Northern and Southern Sudan. Al three these countries has two things in common:

1) The all have or are in the process of getting new governments.

2) Thy are all Islamic countries and not friends with Israel.

To the south (SW) of Israel we have Egypt. Could it be the King of the South?

To the north if Israel we have Lebanon who will not cry if Israel gets destroyed. Also to the north we get Syria. You can just switch on your TV to hear about the uprising going on there. And further north there is Turkey. To the east of Israel we have Iraq and the big bully Iran. All these countries are Israel’s enemies. All these countries are in some way involved in end time prophecies. And all these countries are currently behaving as God foretold us thousands of years ago.

The following is a prophecy about the antichrist that involves the countries that has seen much political change in this year alone. My comments inserted in red:

Dan 11:41-44 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many [countries] shall be overthrown: (By war or unrest?) but these shall escape out of his hand, [even] Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon. (These countries are known today as modern Jordan)

He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.

But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver (Is this the world economy?), and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians [shall be] at his steps. (Many historians agree that modern Sudan is Biblical Ethiopia. Here we see all 3 African countries in one verse.)

But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many. (Can the north be Turkey and the east be Iran?)

Friends, we are in interesting times. Things have the potential to develop very quickly. If Egypt, Libya and Sudan are fulfilling prophecies currently, then all that needs to happen is for the AC and his troops to “peacefully” go to Jerusalem, divide the city and the land (probably with a UN resolution)  and perform the AoD.

I am currently holding the view that the dividing of the land is the AoD and the man who enforcing it will be the AC. I can be wrong, so don’t just trust my view.

20 thoughts on “Daniel 11 in modern times”

  1. but i think you are right. what is more abominable to the Lord than His land and His people in the hands of the destroyer? His Name is there forever. His testimony of the shed Blood of his Son and His Resurrection Power are there. He will most certainly uphold His Right to it. Scripture is being fullfilled as the spirit of anti-christ is moving against Jerusalem. the showdown is coming-very soon in my opinion.

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  2. Wickus,

    Daniel 12:11 puts 1290 days between the stopping of the sacrifice and the AOD. Until the sacrifice is stopped, the clock does not start on the 1290 days.

    Things may look like they are moving very fast right now. (They are.) However, all of the prophecies must be fulfilled. We can’t ignore Daniel 12:11.

    Do you think that it is possible that the restarting and/or stopping of the sacrifice could somehow be secret? (Serious question) Do we have any evidence to support the possibility? Perhaps one of the Unsealed Prophecy readers or commenters have information we do not have. If so, please comment.

    Blessings.

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  3. Not on the temple mount – but the Pesach sacrifice has been performed on multiple occasions and in multiple locations throughout Israel.

    Here is the record of one example:
    http://www.templemountfaithful.org/Events/pesach2004.htm

    I’ve seen pictures/video from others elsewhere in Israel.

    Perhaps it will outlawed when some authority enforces comes to keep the peace in Israel and applies the laws of the EU to Israel? I think that would qualify.

    I am watching the development of a Gog coalition as well – possibly fulfilling the “tidings out of the north” – perhaps it is the fulfillment of Ez 38-39 that brings a force of EU troops to Israel, to “keep the peace” – which I can’t imagine would make the Chinese every happy either especially if it is seen that the EU is projecting power over a region with so much of the world’s oil reserves.

    I agree- this is playing out in ways that seem to inch ever closer to fulfilling many prophecies. Just when I want to chalk this theory up as dead and move on something else, things like the earthquake yestereday and coming hurricane happen.

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  4. Truth, that is a verse that I don’t fully understand. It seems to clash with the following:

    Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

    Jesus seems to be referring to this verse, but He does not mention any sacrifice that has to be stopped. He goes on to explain how the tribulation will start. No stopping of sacrifice is mentioned by Jesus in the Gospel or in Revelation. I guess that is why I sometimes lean to the idea that the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross was a possible cutting of of the Messiah and the stopping of sacrifice.

    Thoughts anyone?

    Wickus

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  5. Wickus here:

    My understanding on prophecy changed very much from the first time the bug bit me in 1985. At that stage I was fully sold to pre-trib, rebuilt temple before the AC could be revealed, Israel excepting the AC as God and all the “normal” ideas. Well, how everything changed over the years as God revealed more and more. I guess that is why I named this site Unsealed Prophecy. More gets revealed daily to us who are watching.

    Lately I believe I understand more and the picture gets clearer, but I also know there are mistakes in my views. That is why I encourage everyone to disagree and correct me with Scripture if I have it wrong.

    I am so amazed at how the events unfold currently. We have a 7 year agreement. We have a 10 horn group of EU nations. We have a man who confirmed the 7 year agreement and is currently hidden until he gets power to continue. We have a possible time on when Israel and Jerusalem might get divided. We have the global economy balancing on a knives edge. We have a record year of natural disasters. We have the Eze 38 nations and the Dan 11 nations aligning to Biblical fulfillment. Then we have this pesky comet Elenin that may be a huge sign or vanish into nothing.

    What to make of this? Well, since 1985 there has never been so many signs shouting out to us. It has never happened in history. There are many Scriptures that I do not fully grasp, but I know for sure that the little I do understand is keeping me amazed at the unfolding of it all.

    Friends, stick around. This ride is going to get interesting. We may differ in understanding from each other, but together and with the light of the Holy Spirit, we will understand more and be prepared for whats to come.

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  6. Wickus,

    I read Daniel 9:27 as the 7 years of the ENPI.

    Sacrifice is stopped some time within that 7.

    I read Daniel 12:11 to say that 1290 days pass after the sacrifice is stopped with a terminal event of the AOD.

    I read Matthew 24:15 as referring to the AOD (the same AOD as stated in Daniel 12:11)

    Please forgive me for not understanding when you say “don’t fully understand”. Does my take on this (above) clarify things, or am I not clear on what you are saying? I would like to be as clear as possible. I do not see any clash between this interpretation and scripture.

    Blessings.

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  7. i have wondered also like justasheep about that as i have seen the videos of the peshach sacrifice and the controversy surrounding kosher butchering in europe. surely this issue is on our radar screen to watch concerning scripture being fulfilled.

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  8. Truth

    Dan 9:27 states that he will cause sacrifice to be stopped. Agreed about the ENP. Agreed about the midst as I believe you are referring to.

    Now if the AoD happens 1290 days after this event (sacrifice stopped), what is your time span on the 42 month tribulation?

    Example: 7 year ENP started 1 Jan 2007. Sacrifice stopped 30 September 2012. Add 43 months (1290 days), so the trib will only start March 2015? Add 42 months and we get to Sept 2018. That will be an 11 year stretch for something expected to last 7 years.

    I hope I make myself understandable. If the sacrifice is stopped in the midst of the 7 year covenant, but there is still 1290 days to wait after that for the AoD that will usher in the 42 month tribulation, how can we make this fit into a Biblical timeline? Will it not be pushing it a bit? I guess that is what I mean with “don’t fully understand”.

    Wickus

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  9. Wickus,

    Ah, now I see. You have assumed that the 7 of Daniel 9:24 and the 7 of Daniel 9:27 are the same 7. They are not the same 7.

    Daniel 9:24 refers to a time allocated for “your people and your holy city”. That 7 started June 7, 1967 when Israel captured Jerusalem. It cannot have started before then because they did not yet have the holy city. The Daniel 9:24 7 cannot be 7 days or 7 years. If it were, then the 7 of Daniel 9:24 would have come to its end a long time ago. The Daniel 9:24 7 cannot be 7 x 70 years either. If it were, then it would be well beyond a generation. It would be impossible to fulfill the scripture that says “this generation shall not pass away.”

    So, what kind of 7 could it be? I believe that it is a Sabbatical 7 which is calculated as 7 x 7 years x 360 days/year. That Sabbatical 7 ends on Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement), September 23, 2015.

    Now, concerning Daniel 9:27. The scripture merely says that “he will confirm a covenant with many for one seven.” “In the midst of that seven, he shall cause sacrifice to cease.”

    Daniel 9:27 is merely a 7 within which the sacrifice will be stopped. It says nothing about it being a peace treaty. It says nothing about it being a “last” 7. It only says that it is a 7 marked by a convenant within which the sacrfice shall be stopped. That is all. I believe that Daniel 9:27 refers to the 7 years of the ENPI.

    So, the sacrifice can be stopped within the 7 of Daniel 9:27. There is no requirement that all of the scriptures fit into the last half of the 7 of Daniel 9:27. In fact, Daniel 9:24 gives us strong evidence that the people of Israel and their holy city will have until September 23, 2015. That is clearly outside of the timeframe of the ENPI. That is not a problem when you understand that the 7 of Daniel 9:24 cannot be the 7 of Daniel 9:27.

    On September 23, 2015, I expect Zechariah 14:2 to be fulfilled. Jerusalem will be divided.

    “I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city.” ref. Zechariah 14:2.

    That, however, will still not be the end.

    For a more in-depth understanding of my take on the timing of the fulfillment of prophecies, search for a read my “Truth Update” post from July 4, 2011, on this site.

    Blessings.

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  11. Will read a well, truth, am watching, praying and seeking to be one of the wise ones in these days. Help me Lord where I fail and do not understand, give me your wisdom here.

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  12. With regard to the Daniel 12:11 part of this discussion;

    Please take a close look at the verse again.

    “And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.” Daniel 12:11 (KJV)

    I do not consider that the verse is telling us that there are 1,290 days between these events. These events occur at the same point in time.

    The period of time, 1,290 days is connected to the subject matter covered in verse 10.

    “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.” Daniel 12:10 (KJV)

    Let me inject the length of time into various places of verse 10.

    “Many shall be purified” (for a period of 1,290 days), “and made white, and tried” (for a period of 1,290 days); “but the wicked shall do wickedly” (only for a period of 1,290 days): “and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.”

    Note that He didn’t say “all” shall be “purified”, but “many” during that entire length of time.
    There will be Jewish people, that were not believers at the time of the rapture, that will remain on the earth and be purified after we are gone. The “wickedness” will be finished by Jesus at the end of the 1,290th day. 45 days later Jesus’ Kingdom on earth will begin.

    Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Daniel 12:12 (KJV)

    As Mr. Baldy, Wickus, and I have previously discussed in great depth and given to much prayer, is that day 1,335 may in fact be a “day” a thousand years in duration and would mark the midpoint of the 70th Week. The final 3 1/2 years of the 70th Week could very well be the “short season” when Satan is released from prison. He will be permitted to go out across the face of the earth to deceive once again those that listen to his lies. The first half of the 70th Week, if this scenario is in fact correct which I fully believe that it is, would be the 3 1/2 years of the Great Tribulation.

    And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and
    Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
    And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Revelation 20:7-10 (KJV)

    At that point in time sin will be finished for good.

    Daniel 9:24 (KJV)
    “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,” …

    “to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins,”

    “and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.”

    Thoughts anyone?

    Iron sharpens iron you know,

    Scott

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  13. I think that I will comment here Scott………..

    You, Wickus, and I have discussed this in great depth. As you know Daniel 12:11-13 has been one of the most difficult passages of Scripture, as far as eschatology is concern, that I think most will ever come across.

    I see where Truth is coming from in her/his analogy. So far, as far as the ENP(I) and the actual 70th week is concerned – well I think that they are indeed two separate entities, that at some point overlap – as you have previously brought to our attention Scott. With the current events, and the absolute incredible timing of how everything is happening – I can’t help but think that we have missed what the “midst” may be by a year. I just don’t know at this point.

    The A0D and the cessation of sacrifice don’t necessarily have to occur on the same “exact” day – but they both have to total 1,290 days in coming to fruition. Or is there a 1,290 day period after both of these events have occurred, as Truth seems to be suggesting?

    I, will say this…..that If the ENP(I) is the “real deal” then in order to determine what the “mist” of this 7 year period is, then the 1,290 days has to be considered; and/or understood – as it appears to be used in conjunction of the cessation of sacrifices. Question is, will we even see the cessation of sacrifices?

    Jesus mentions that we will see the A0D.

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  14. imightdecrease,

    Thank you for your commentary. I agree. Iron sharpens iron.

    I have carefully read through what you have written. Here is my analysis:

    For many years, I did not see that there were two ways that one could interpret Daniel 12:11. I, too, thought that the stopping of the sacrifice and the Abomination of Desolation took place at the same time and then 1290 days passed. I did not give serious consideration to the possibility that the sacrifice and the Abomination of Desolation could be on opposite ends of the 1290 days until the year 2010 passed without the sacrifice being either restarted or stopped. I was disappointed. I had been conditioned to believe that all of the prophecies had to be fulfilled within the “seven” of Daniel 9:27, and further, that the sacrifice would be stopped in the exact middle of the “seven.”

    So I went back to have a look at the numbers associated with the prophecies in Daniel. In order for me to be satisfied, I had to make all of the numbers work together. I could not just ignore or throw out any scripture that contradicted my understanding of the timing of end times events. I had to, instead, bow to scripture and change my understanding to fit it.

    The first thing that I came to realize is that, in order for the “seven” of the ENPI to remain relevant, Daniel 9:24 and Daniel 9:27 could not be referring to the same “seven.” (See my response to Wickus earlier in this discussion thread) I came to understand that the remaining “seven” of Daniel 9:24 must refer to the time that started June 7, 1967 and ends September 23, 2015, and further, that he “seven” of Daniel 9:27 refers to the seven years of the ENPI.

    It became clear to me that the “seven” of Daniel 9:27 merely marked a time within which the sacrifice would be stopped. Importantly, it dawned on me that the remainder of the prophecies concerning the 1290 days (Daniel 12:11), The Great Tribulation, the rapture, and the “year of retribution” (Isaiah 34:8) could not fit into the last half of the ENPI “seven.” There is not enough time remaining in the ENPI.

    It also became clear to me, given that the ENPI represents the “seven” of Daniel 9:27, that the Church Age will end and the Millennium will begin within the next nine (9) years. Daniel 8:13-14 gives us a 2300 day window from the resumption/stopping of the sacrifice until the reconsecration of the sanctuary. If the sacrifice is stopped within the “seven” of the ENPI, then all of the remaining prophecies concerning events that precede the beginning of the Millennium must occur within that 2300 day window.

    Daniel 9:24, combined with the fact that the Israelis captured the holy city on June 7, 1967, provides an independent time marker that tells us that the time for “your people and your holy city” is finished on September 23, 2015. I believe that Jerusalem will be divided on that date according to the prophecy in Zechariah 14:2. The salient point is that the prophecies in the book of Daniel will be fulfilled near term, within the next few years, and will not stretch out into the Millennium.

    My understanding of the timeline:

    1) Sacrifice is stopped within the ENPI (before 12/31/2013). Daniel 9:27 is fulfilled.
    2) Jerusalem is divided on September 23, 2015. Daniel 9:24 and Zechariah 14:2 are fulfilled.
    3) The Abomination of Desolation (AOD) occurs 1290 days after the sacrifice is stopped. Daniel 12:11 is fulfilled.
    4) The Great Tribulation begins at the AOD. Matthew 24:15-21 is fulfilled.
    5) The Great Tribulation is cut short. It is not allowed to reach 42 months (1260 days). Matthew 24:22 is fulfilled.
    6) The rapture occurs at the same time that The Great Tribulation is stopped.
    7) The “year of retribution” (Isaiah 34:8) begins.
    8) The Millennium begins after Isaiah 34:8 is fulfilled.

    All of this will take place within the next nine (9) years.

    Please refer to my July, 2011 posting titled “Truth Update” for a detailed analysis and a downloadable spreadsheet.

    Blessings.

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  15. Thanks for stirring my brain matter again Scot and Mr Baldy. I am sitting at work reading this, but as soon as I get home I am going to re-read our discussion. I believe it is about a year ago since we talked about it and a good refresher will do much good.

    As for the two separate 7 year time periods, I still believe that it can be true. It is the only way to make sense of the whole scenario we are currently in. The confirmed covenant week started Jan 2007 and the 70th week… well, we only need 42 months of it to complete the puzzle. The first 42 months could have been fulfilled by the ministry of Jesus as we have also discussed. “AFTER 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut of…” As discussed the word AFTER does not imply that He was cut of on the exact last day of the 62nd week, but rather entering the 70th week. Jesus did minister for about 3.5 years according to history, Coincidence?

    Now the interesting part; When the Messiah was cut of, when Jesus died on the cross, did he not end sacrifice? Will our complete theory collapse if there is no modern attempt to stop a sacrifice on the Temple mount? And if the cessation of sacrifice is such an important event to confirm our timing in the end times, why is it not mentioned in the New Testament?

    I am not dogmatic about it and will be the first to admit I am wrong if Israel starts to rebuild the temple and start sacrifice again. I just thank the Lord that He teaches us as we go along this end time road.

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  16. Hi Wickus,

    Let’s add on to your questioning…….

    Can we absolutely say without a doubt that Javier Solana is the one who “confirmed” or strengthened a previous “Covenant with Many”, and that for a period of 7 years?

    If so, what are the qualifications that meet the Biblical standards that he fits the bill?

    That’s for starters…….

    If we can answers these questions, other than “hear say” or “word of mouth” – then we have a great starting point, and in light of everything else that is going on, I think that we absolutely have a match.

    Now all we should have remaining, is a matter of seeing how the pieces of the puzzle all fit together.

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  17. I was going to wait until I got home from work today too- but this is gnawing at me right now and I need to get back to concentrating on work.

    About a year and a half or two years ago I was looking really closely at the text in Daniel 12:11 – I think the conventional wisdom was that the stopping of the sacrifice and the AoD happen and then there are 1290 days. It bugged me because the phrasing in the couple translations didn’t really word it clearly (the ESV, NIV, and King James). I went back to look at a parallel text with the hebrew and that didn’t make it much clearer either because I’m not a scholar of Ancient Hebrew grammar by any means. I am very blessed now to find that I’m not the only reader of this text to struggle with its construction. I am still wondering if Daniel was writing that the sacrifice will be stopped then there will be 1290 until the AoD. So I agree with you Truth, and anyone else who’s made this claim – it is possible from reading the text carefully to come to that conclusion. I also agree that not all 7’s mentioned in prophecy are the same 7, and not all 3 1/2 year or 1290 period are the same period – if the text doesn’t say its the same period or in some other way demands it be the same period, and I believe it doesn’t, then we shouldn’t assume for certain that it is.

    Something else that caused me to pause today is something I stumbled across online. I know a certain writer here has mentioned possibly hearing something from the Lord about a particular date – now this morning I see this on that date:
    http://www.thecall.com/Group/Group.aspx?ID=1000080537
    I’m not fond of the theology of the people behind this event, particularly IHOP, dominionism or any of that modern apostolic nonsense – but it strikes me as to the date they have chosen.

    Quick disclaimer – a small part of me is hoping that 11/11/11 is a very ordinary day since it’s mine and Mrs Justasheep’s 11th wedding anniversary.

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  20. it is a struggle to keep this all straight and really not sure about much-except that i know things are almost continually unfolding of late so our answers are in the making regarding the questions we have about the aod,and sacrifices. i don’t know how all this (september 2011’s events and the sacrifices some orthodox jews have been doing) plays a part-i just know there are no accidents as to what presents itself in the current headlines (let the reader understand Jesus said) that will unfold to that understanding in time and context (for those watching i might add). there does appear to be more than one “7” in play in some parallels-stories within the Story that come together in a final picture but i am seeing a jumble at the moment. surely we are very close to the rapture-and if not-it is not many years from now because we are in the “midst” of something for sure. that still makes it a short time left. js is 69 years old. i have wondered if in time for his 70th year he will be “completed” for the times in which he was born-and become that ultimate man of sin–if–there is still an if since he has not been revealed as that one–that is who he really will prove to be. God sure knows how to write a story and this “plot” has thickened incredibly! all the input coming from you folks here does help very much because it challenges all of us to stay true to the scriptures to interpret all we see and the things not seen as well. (just my two-cents)

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