Abortion Forgiveness Special

World Youth Day 2011 Madrid

http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/124664/vatican_so_hard_up_it

If I were Catholic, I’d be up in arms about the Vatican’s latest shenanigans (and I am anyway!). In what can only be seen as a desperate attempt to nab members, they are holding a big “Abortion Forgiveness” party. They’re setting up 200 confession booths (!!!) during World Youth Day in Madrid, a shindig that will cost $72 million, covered only in part by the Spanish government.

If having such a lavish event in these tough times doesn’t make you choke, then how about these holy guys’ capacity to bend the rules of their own religion as they see fit. Within the Catholic religion,abortion is punishable by instant excommunication and only certain priests can lift one. However, for SIX DAYS ONLY (get ’em while they’re hot!!!), they’ve decided to forgive abortions and let any priest on site reinstate the exed-off “sinners.”

Gosh, if the church really needs members, maybe they should consider not being such unforgiving brutes in the first place.

I am pro-choice, but I can certainly respect a pro-life person’s views. After all, none of us want women to endure unwanted pregnancies or the emotional turmoil of having an abortion. However, we are human. We make mistakes and we also make contraceptives that are fallible at times — or, you know, our religion looks down upon using them. For this reason, it makes no sense to me that a church of all places would instantly excommunicate a member for this kind of mistake and choosing to have an abortion for any number of reasons.

On the one hand, I’m thrilled for young women who desperately want to reconnect with their religion. I know it’s a big part of many women’s lives, and some feel lost without their church. However, I want excommunicated Catholic women be to forgiven for longer than six days in Madrid. I want them to be forgiven every day in every city. Having an abortion is devastating for many women, but losing their connection to their God and church only makes matters worse. And being shunned in such a way certainly doesn’t give them the love, support, or counsel they especially need going forward so as not to make the same mistake twice.

Maybe if the Catholic church forgave more easily in the first place, maybe if they reached out to people in tough times instead of exed them off, they’d have more HUMANS who wanted to hang out there. Then they wouldn’t have to have these weird assembly-line-style membership drives that make them look not only hypocritical, but also call out to the rest of the world just what an unforgiving, unsupportive place their holy land is in the first place.

Catholic or not, what do you think about the Vatican’s latest?

Comment by Adamantine:

I debated posting this one but after some thought consider it to be an example of the sin of this brand of Churchianity. Other denominations have some problems but this type of action does show a major turn from the faith as once delivered.

Any Christian may go to God in prayer at any moment and with true repentance find instant forgiveness from any sin.They do not need a priest or any other human intervention.

The ROMAN catholic church still manages to keep itself before my eyes as the  likely harlot of the book of Revelation.

The Roman Catholic Church continues to be a force pushing for the unification of Europe.

On the positive side they still do consider abortion a sin.

Hence they are a church but one that is committing its own form of adultery with the world. Other churches are apostate as well but this one is large enough and connected enough that it is influencing the world.

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12 thoughts on “Abortion Forgiveness Special

  1. Wickus,
    Did I read your post correctly- you are pro-choice?
    I am grieved, if you truely are pro-choice. I realize this site is not for this type of discussion, but since you brought it up, I can not be silent on this topic.
    There are Christians who would love to adopt children which the biological mother can not raise, for what ever reason. This would include infants/children with special needs, like Down Syndrome. Our family has 2 adopted children with Down syndrome-to God be the glory! God’s grace is abounding for all of our needs, as we seek Him with all of our hearts and attain wisdom in this matter.

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  2. Hi Linda

    i am surely not pro-choice. This was published by my friend Adamantine who is also not pro-choice. I will leave it to him to clarify it to you.

    God bless.

    Wickus

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  3. thanks for posting this. so many need to explore what this highlights. this is so like the catholics—-(pardon me for my plain speaking) the way to God-in their playbook (their traditions)-is a path strewn with stumbling stones-great big hurdles-so tortured as to include what was never at the foot of Jesus’ Cross. there was no priest to receive confessions-there was no ritual or penance….there was not “earned works”—-but only faith—–directed to Jesus only and demonstrated by the repentant sorrowing humbled-to believing-thief and the roman centurion who watched Righteousness dying in his place on that day seeing Jesus for Who He really is. the path to God is pictured for us in their simple faith to call Him Lord and know in their hearts their need for His full payment for sin in their/our behalf. i feel so sorry for people who are taught a religious (works) path as the way to salvation instead of the Lord’s freeeeee gift of forgiveness (the beauty of Love relationship with Jesus). simple child-like faith is not what catholics are taught but a pride-filled way of earning access to God and leaving Him hanging there so to speak. taking Jesus at His Word alone (that produces true good works because saved-not in order to be saved) is not faith enough for them. they need to be able to include their own efforts in making their way to God-you know-help Him out a bit-to get salvation accomplished. (all “religion” and any brand of churchianity as you call it-attempts this). oh my what a terrible way to slight-much more than slight-the Holy Father Who gave His Holy Son Who only draws men to repentance and faith in Him by His Holy Spirit-not some tortured religious way to make people comply. it is heart-breaking to see the world clamor after a man-made “solution” (some believing to supposedly atone for very grievious sinfulness against God). no wonder it fits the end days scenario that man-made religion will be included in that “ultimate solution” that evil men are proposing for saving mankind on this planet because man has his own answer within himself to fix the world-obviously in their minds God does not. men would rather be governed from outside of themselves rather than from within by a Loving God to Whom they would owe all for saving their wretched selves. i praise God for the Truth that was not suppressed or dismissed or diluted-but simply shared-so my poor heart could find rest in His Beautiful Provision of Sinless Blood to atone for this sinners’ many crimes against Him giving me a new life ruled by my Risen Savior enthroned in my heart. no other in all who have ever lived have the Nail Scars and Risen from the dead to prove a Sinless Sacrifice. may others have their hearts opened-given the gift of repentance to humbly come to His Cross and find rest for their souls and new life in His name.

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  4. Responding to protests in Spain over the costs of the World Youth Day celebration, the Vatican has released a statement pointing out that the costs will be absorbed completely by participants and corporate sponsors.

    “The event will not cost anything” for Spanish taxpayers, the Vatican observed.

    Although the Spanish government will see some indirect expenses, such as the cost of security and traffic control, those expenses will probably be outweighed by the revenue generated by 1 million pilgrims who are spending, on average, more than a week in Madrid, visiting restaurants and museums and buying souvenirs.

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  5. Adamantine,
    I would be VERY careful if I were you. Your comments about the Catholic Church are hateful and misleading and you will be held accountable…someday. You CLEARLY do not understand the Catholic faith – maybe you never will, and probably you have never really tried. It takes time to research 2000 years of history and it takes humility.
    I would recommend you read the following (it is short):
    http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/sacraments/penance.html
    I will pray for you. I had enjoyed checking your blog, but not any more. You have lost all credibility to me now that I see the lens through which you view the world:
    “The ROMAN catholic church still manages to keep itself before my eyes as the likely harlot of the book of Revelation.”
    Rather then condemn what the Catholic Church does, why not try to understand? The Catholic Church exists to SAVE SOULS. That is what it is trying to do. Why must you demonize it? I wouldn’t if I were you. I’m just saying…
    Anne

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  6. Comment by Adamantine:
    I know some Catholics who I think are Christians.
    I do need to explain myself better however. I think Catholicism still is Christian but operates as a cult in some situations. It is described as a whore because as a church it is too much in bed with the world. I have made a study of world history and particularly European history. The church got involved with politics from the very beginning. At a time when my ancestors were Christians it was the only game in town. The reformation reformed the protestant churches to some degree but one need only look to the use of indulgences by the Catholic church today to recognize it has not reformed much.
    I also am not too happy with a whole lot of PROTESTING (protestant) churches. I think we see the church at the end of the age described in the first part of revelation. They are described in detail as well.
    The only church that had the geographic influence,politcal connections,wealth and overall ability to help give rise to the EU as the Beast kingdom was the Roman Catholic Church. Beyond that it is a fact they influenced Ireland to vote yes the second time around for the Lisbon Treaty. Had that failed we might be in a whole different situation prophetically.
    Just what church do you think fits the description of the whore of Babylon?
    The end time church may someday be made up of more than Roman Catholicism but they will still probably lead.

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  7. Adamantine,

    Would you consider that the “whore of Babylon” is not a church at all…

    The Whore of Babylon = The City of Jerusalem
    The Beast = the Roman Empire
    The Lamb = Christ and his persecuted Church

    Reason #1: John Tells You that the Whore is Jerusalem!
    1. The Whore in Revelation 17: “And the woman that you saw is the great city which has dominion over the kings of the earth.” (Rev 17:18)
    2. The Measuring of Jerusalem in Revelation 11:
    Then I [John] was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told: “Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, 2 but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months. And I will grant my two witnesses power to prophesy for one thousand two hundred and sixty days… And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that ascends from the bottomless pit will make war upon them and kill them, 8 and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which is allegorically called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified. (Rev 11:1-8)

    Reason #2: Jerusalem is Called a “Whore” or “Harlot” in the Old Testament
    “How the faithful city [Jerusalem] has become a harlot, she that was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers” (Isaiah 1:21)
    Again the word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man, make known to Jerusalem her abominations, When I passed by you again and looked upon you, behold, you were at the age for love… I plighted my troth to you and entered into a covenant with you, says the Lord GOD, and you became mine… And your renown went forth among the nations because of your beauty, for it was perfect through the splendor which I had bestowed upon you, says the Lord GOD. But you trusted in your beauty, and played the harlot because of your renown, and lavished your harlotries on any passer-by. “How lovesick is your heart, says the Lord GOD, seeing you did all these things, the deeds of a brazen harlot… Adulterous wife, who receives strangers instead of her husband! (Ezekiel 16:1- 32)
    When the LORD first spoke through Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea, “Go, take to yourself a wife of harlotry and have children of harlotry, for the land commits great harlotry by forsaking the LORD.” (Hosea 1:2)
    Wine and new wine take away the understanding. My people inquire of a thing of wood, and their staff gives them oracles. For a spirit of harlotry has led them astray, and they have left their God to play the harlot. They sacrifice on the tops of the mountains, and make offerings upon the hills, under oak, poplar, and terebinth, because their shade is good. Therefore your daughters play the harlot, and your brides commit adultery. (Hosea 4:11-13)

    Reason #3: The Beast Destroys the Whore: Rome Destroys Jerusalem
    1. The Whore and the Beast are not the same figure:
    And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the harlot; they will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire. (Rev 17:16).
    2. Rome and Jerusalem worked together:
    a. King Herod: appointed by Roman Empire—not a true king
    b. Pontius Pilate: worked with Jerusalem authorities to crucify Jesus
    3. The Roman-Jewish War: ends in destruction and burning of Jerusalem (70A.D.)

    The Number of the Beast: 666 (Revelation 13)
    1 And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems upon its horns and a blasphemous name upon its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority… 4 Men worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?”… 7 And it [the beast] was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation, 8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, every one whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain…
    16 Also, it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six-hundred and sixty six. (Rev 13:1-18).
    1. The Characters:
    a. The Dragon = Satan
    b. The Beast from the Sea = Roman Empire
    c. The Lamb = Christ
    2. The 7 Heads of the Beast and the 7 Caesars “The seven hills are seven heads who are seven kings, ‘five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he comes he must remain only a little while’.” (Rev 17:19-10)
    1. Julius Caesar
    2. Augustus
    3. Tiberius
    4. Caligula (Gaius)
    5. Claudius
    6. Nero
    7. Galba
    (49-44 B. C. 31 B.C. – A.D. 14 14-37 A.D. 37-41 A.D. 41-54 A.D. 54-68 A.D. 68-69 A.D respectively).
    Nero is the sixth king, reigning at the time Revelation is written. The one after Nero, Galba, reigned only “a little while” – six months in fact.
    3. The Number of the Beast:
    a. Hebrew Letters: numeric value (like Roman Numerals, I = 1, V = 5, X = 10)
    b. Greek form of “Nero Caesar” transliterated into Hebrew = 666
    c. Ancient Christians: some altered it to 616 (Latin form of Nero in Hebrew)
    d. Caesar Nero demanded allegiance (the “mark”) and worship as a god (cf. Cain)
    e. Satanic Perversion: compare the 144,000 (cf. Rev 7; Exod 13:9)

    The Destruction of Jerusalem, the Whore
    1 After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority; and the earth was made bright with his splendor. 2 And he called out with a mighty voice, “Fallen, fallen in Babylon the great! It has become a dwelling place of demons, a haunt of every foul spirit, a haunt of every foul and hateful bird; for all nations have drunk the wine of her impure passion, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich with the wealth of her wantonness.” 4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her my people, lest you take part in her sins, let you share in her plagues; 5 for her sins are heaped high as heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 Render to her as she herself has rendered, and repay her double for her deeds; mix a double draught for her in the cup she mixed. 7 As she glorified herself and played the wanton (or “whore”), so give her a like measure of torment and mourning. Since in her heart she says, “A queen I sit I am no widow, mourning I shall never see,” 8 so shall her plagues come in a single day, pestilence and mourning and famine, and she shall be burned with fire; for mighty is the Lord God who judges her.” (Rev 18:1-8)

    The New Jerusalem: the Virgin Bride:
    9 Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues, and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb. 10 And in the Spirit he carried me away to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city of Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great high wall with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed… 21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls, each of the gates made of a single pearl, and the street of the city was pure gold, transparent as glass. 22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. (Rev 21:9-22)

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  8. @Anne – so are you inferring that the beast has already come into the world and we are living in the millenial reign of Christ now? Be careful here – the line of reasoning breaks down very quickly when you try to defend a case that Christ is reigning on his throne in the new Jerusalem now. It is quite obvious that the prince of this world is still being allowed to excerise his authority.

    I don’t mean to be unkind to you or speak uncharitably about the church you hold in high esteem. I would ask that you prayefully consider what the church is teaching, and emphasizing today. If you know Christ, and something down inside me is saying you probably do, could it not be that Christ has reached out and made himself known to you despite the idolatry and what some of us may refer to as harlotry (the emphasic on sacraments, the ubiquitousness of graven images that resemble those in pagan temples, the adoration and near deification of Mary, the contra-biblical practice of praying to “saints” for intercession, the emphasis on works, etc).

    Pray for me that I might speak the truth in love to those that are being deceived, and if I am sinning that I would be convicted of my sin. I will be praying for you that the Lord will help you to see the Roman Catholic Church as he sees it.

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  9. @Justasheep,

    The line of reasoning only breaks down when you fail to understand that the Bible has several layers of meaning – known as the four senses of Scripture. For example, “temple” can illustrate the four-fold sense of scripture as follows: 1) Literal sense (the historical/literary meaning) – the temple structure; 2) Allegorical sense (refers to the way in which Christ fulfills the Old Testament in Himself) – Christ is the true Temple; 3) Moral sense (the way Christ leads us to act justly) – the Church and its members are temples of the Holy Spirit; and 4) Anagogical sense (the way Christ brings all things to fulfillment in Himself and in Heaven) – the Church in heaven dwells in the Heavenly Temple…God himself.

    I was not saying that we are living in the millenial reign of Christ now. But in order to understand this you have to understand the depth of scripture (as explained above). The year 70 is a dress rehearsal for the real thing. The destruction of Jerusalem symbolizes the end of the world and teaches us the lessons we need to prepare for it.

    Let us continue to pray for each other! I will specifically pray that the Lord will help YOU to see the Roman Catholic Church as he sees it, that he will lead you to the truth and give you the humility to seek it. You criticize the “harlotry” of the Catholic Church without understanding the Truth of the Church. If you understood, you would be Catholic – I have no doubt!

    “There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
    — Fulton J. Sheen

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  10. Agreed- I covet your prayers, and will be praying for the health, wisdom and safety for you and all of my other brothers and sisters here. I agree that partial fulfillments have ocurred in the past to show us that it could happen – like with Antiochus IV. When we look at our own hearts, and the earthly churches we choose to call our churches we need to remember that it was no accident that the Revelation of Jesus Christ begins with his letters to the 7 churches (7 being the number of completion) and should be looking for how he is talking to each one of us in our walk with him, and the churches where we are holding fast to his truth – and how we and our fellowhip may be rejecting him and chasing after the things of this world.

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