Focus on Homosexuality

Mr Baldy
June 27, 2011 4:4

Adamantine you wrote:

“To actually march in celebration of sodomy is something that would have caused past generations of Christians to actually head to the streets themselves to chase these people off. Instead there is near silence.”

Well I must say Adamantine, the topic of homosexuality, and sodomy is not silent on this forum. You seem to bring it up a lot.

June 28, 2011 8:35 pm

Comment by Adamantine:
Gee I must be homophobic.
I bring it up a lot because it is the battlefield topic of the day.
Divorce,living together unmarried, and abortion were topics of the 1970′s
I also bring it up a lot because I do not know of even one political figure worldwide who has taken this topic on. All they do is run around mumbling about how they are for marriage of one man and one women.
They need to be AGAINST homosexuality. They need to say God is against homosexuality.
Only the Catholic Church is being consistent and vocal.

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20 thoughts on “Focus on Homosexuality

  1. it is vital. a wake up call (isn’t that what watchmen do?) to have this issue brought forward because it is on the radar screen as a threat. to the whole nation-yes-but more than that-to the church of Jesus Christ because they seek to silence the Gospel of repentance and faith in Him. they want a political church (that means politically correct) to except them that will only preach faith but how dare you preach repentance! our allegiance must be to the Lord’s authority on this and every issue that is sin in the camp. (where have you been church?) these would seek-no demand-that we give in to a man-centered approach to their “lifestyle”. this goes totally against the Gospel and i for one know my pastor would be jailed for preaching against this-and that appears (soon) to be coming to a church near you. come what may-whatever the Lord allows-we do not fight but stand and speak the Word-in the Lord’s power and strength of that un-changing Word of God. and He will not be mocked. persecution is coming to the american church folks. (the true church will grow in a persecution atmosphere-look at the church even in muslim countries though very under reported-so we need not worry-just stand. Jesus gives His church peace in the storm for we know that He has overcome the world. john 16:33. this will still be opportunity for the Gospel-even if few hearers. God is our defence. being the last days church we will see them advance and flourish in this apostate age-knowing also that laodicea won’t heed…….. ….but-onward and upward in the high calling of Jesus our Lord. amen.

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  2. Adamantine,

    Since you have addressed your topic of discussion to me personally, and given an unsolicited explanation, then I will respond. ( I pray that you don’t get offended – this has just been my personal observation about you over the past few years, and I could be very very wrong.)

    Let me begin by saying AGAIN that…..you seem to speak upon the topic of Homosexuality a lot. So much so, that it signals a “red flag” to me, and honestly, I question…why does this man speak out so much against this topic?

    I have even questioned whether or not you even deal with this particular sin personally. I’m definately not saying that you are a closet homosexual, but boy, even the mentally challenged person knows when it’s rain or sunshine outside. Sorry, but it’s just the cynical nature within me.

    Homosexuality is not the greatest sin, but you speak more about it than any other sin that the unbelieving World is currently experiencing. I actually love the homosexual, but I absolutely HATE the sin that the homosexual commits. It’s not that he or she causes their own lusts to affect other people – it really has a deeper meaning than that. It’s because they become so self-absorbed, that they actually destroy themselves. Especially when they have claimed to be men and women of God.

    This is a sin that is on the Spiritual level – as they all are, but this one more deeply involves “SELF”. So much so, that the natural man cannot understand it, or be willing to accept it, or they may even deny the fact that it is indeed sin. It can even involve, or affect another party – as far as understanding, in that it is often with someone that they know personally, or love (outside of the same sex partner that they are with). This is particular sin develops in a person who has a preconditioned nature to accept this sort of despicable behavioral type Spirit – to enter their mind, soul, and body, and take almost absolute control. Perhaps, maybe this is not even their fault…initially.

    Again in my very humble opinion, this is done in a sub conscious effort to disobey God Himself; once they know that it is indeed sin, and I fully believe that it is carried out in order to enjoy what they believe is “pleasure” – if they can even call it that. But then, once KNOWN, they place this so-called “pleasure”, over the worship of God, to gratify their own lusts. The sin of homosexuality is detestable, and deplorable, and I absolutely and categorically hate it, but it does not deserve front page news.

    A greater sin (in my very humble opinion) is the sin of GREED. This by far is the absolute worst sin of all. This not only affects the person individually, but it also affects the poor, the weak, the small; the great, our nations, countries, kingdoms, and eventually the entire Global Community – so much so that from it alone (GREED) that it alone personally causes the rest of the sins to follow.

    Yes, homosexuality is rampart. But not only is homosexuality sin against God, but it causes one to defile themselves individually. So I question why you make such an issue of it, if you are not personally dealing with it yourself?

    Didn’t mean to get so personal, but if you bring it to me….then please be prepared to deal with it – no matter what the topic is.

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  3. Adamantine here:

    Me, homosexual tendencies? None that I am aware of. I am not the least bit offended. It as if someone asked if I might be sexually attracted to gorillas or something.That also has not been much of a temptation for me. I run the risk of finding the female body too attractive. The perfect female body is amazing and there really is my temptation.
    What I find amazing about the issue is not even the practice ( to me it seems such a poor second choice as to be laughable and I feel sorry for the male who does not appreciate the female)
    The real problem is that people want us to say the emperor is clothed when he obviously is not. Homosexual sex makes no sense under any system of thought be it physical or emotional or creationist or evolutionary. One might as well be proud that they have gluten sensitivity or allergies to strawberries. I am unable to rank sins but have to wonder that at the least it is a canary in the coal mine sin which when entrenched and celebrated in a society signals its calling for the judgment of God. I agree with God and hate some sins such as divorce but have a hard time hating homosexuality. I do not hate gorillas either. I also need to learn to hate pride,lust and even gluttony more. I simply could care less personally about homosexuality having already been satisfied with a marriage and sex for many years. I do think it is a risk for the emerging struggling insecure male or female and think a society that signals homosexuality to be a respectable option is leading these fragile ones to a life of unhappiness.
    I could scream against divorce and point out that the typical pastor has a list a mile long of defects in ones spouse that allows for divorce.apparently one should divorce a pedophile, rapist, homicidal killer, alcoholic spendthrift, abusive spouse whether emotional or physical,pornographer, and on and on.

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  4. I can’t speculate on Adamantine’s reasoning for focusing so much on this sin, because I’m in agreement it is not a greater sin than any – since all put as enmity with God.
    For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. James 2:10

    I do however agree with Adamantine’s focus on it however as a sign our society is begging for judgement and thumbing its nose at God.

    Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20

    It seems more each day the conventional wisdom among the liberal so-called “christians” and the rest of the unsaved population that it is viewed is immoral to agree with God that homosexuality is a sin. Rest assured my friends – God will not be mocked. We may suffer trials and tribulation for speaking the truth, even as we do our best to love the sinner – but the heart of the haughty will be hardened and they will be brought down by our Lord.

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  5. Wow, Mr Baldy. You have an interesting perception there. I personally don’t see any overkill in the homosexual issue Adamantine, has visited from time to time. To have any ‘red-flags’ about his reasons to why this issue is so troubling to him is pretty weird on your part dude. And, it’s Adamantine’s forum which he chooses to share with the rest of us. I think that gives him the right to post whatever he wants. If he was presenting multiple posts about satantic cults, would you think he was a devil-worshiper? If he was posting repeatedly about corporate and personal greed in America, would you think he was a greedy person himself?

    If I was to let my perception become skewed here I might even have a ‘red-flag’ of my own about your potential tendencies, Mr Baldy, given the way you are so troubled by the homosexual issue as it has been revisted in this forum on occasion. Why so defensive and uncomfortable? Just trying to prove a point my brother.

    Nice passive/aggressive approaches, too. “I don’t mean to offend you, but I have suspensions that you might be a homosexual. Didn’t mean to get personal, but if you bring it to me, I’m gonna bring it back at you.”

    Lighten up, Mr Baldy. Jesus loves you and so do I.

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  6. I forgot to add that I also believe the homosexual issue is a HUGE one. Man messing with the natural order of the Creator’s creation is a major no-no!…. bad, bad, bad. This issue is a rampant sexual tsunami that’s really gaining steam and is sure to soon bring consequences on the earth’s inhabitants that will become unbearable for those whose foundations are built on sinking sand.

    I think homosexuality is one of the greatest outwardly examples of cultural decay, and a leading indicator of societal collapse. That, and abortion, which is far greater a crime than greed. America has been in slow and steady decline since Roe v Wade, and this explosion of sexually charged debauchery is going to speed that process up rapidly.

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  7. Comment by Adamantine:
    Thanks for the great discussion. Even when we hit regions of sarcasm or innuendo I prefer that to the sterile discussion of the one who thinks they will be deleted.
    I hope research over time will unravel the antecedents to sexual attraction so that the few who are misled down this pathway of same sex attraction may be helped. The current evolving dogma that homosexual attraction is genetic is without enough data to be a successful theory. Congenital theories instead of genetic have also played a part. In addition there are many studies which suggest it best not to cross dress or obscure all such clothes distinctions between the sexes. The dogma that homosexuality is genetic and beyond ones control also will dampen research if there is a prevailing mindset that the issue is settled.

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  8. Let’s not get sidetracked here… That’s what the Devil would love for us to do…

    I was shocked that Adamantine quoted Mr. Baldy on the front page of the article in the first place… I hate to say it… but I think that was not professional at all, not saying we have to be professional here. But after reading it, I knew there was going to be an issue…

    Adamantine and Mr. Baldy should have spoke about it in private to be honest. This is not something we need to argue about. Not to mention this is exactly what Satan loves to do… Get into the middle of things and try and break up a good thing.

    We not only need to see the decline of our nation through legalized same sex marriages, but also murder, abuse of children, rape, greed, human trafficing, and etc etc… Sin is sin in God’s eyes no difference in severity its all sin as Justasheep reminds us of. Our Nation and or World is being given over to sin, and yes it is evident by all the circumstances and events that happen in and around us.

    I would hope that a good thing would not be allowed to be broken up by Satan, through such a trivial dispute as this. That is why God warns us of quarreling.

    2 Timothy 2:23

    New International Version (NIV)

    23 Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.

    Not saying that this is where it is headed, but… my prayer is that this would not get out of hand, but rather you guys would reconcile and not play the blame game here… Be men and own up to being men of integrity…

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  9. Ya, you are right, Berryblue. Exchanging ideas, sharing opinions, having a lively debate, and talking things through to get to a better understanding of a certain topic of discussion, is never a good thing….never, never, ever. Let’s just skip the dialogue and get to the hugging it out part. That way satan can’t get any glory and integrity remains intact.

    Peace and Love turlte doves

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  10. Comment by Adamantine:
    First off I was not and am not offended in the least by any of the discussion here. I take occasionally comments from here and there and bring them to the forefront because I think they are good points or could do with further discussion. Maybe I should warn you that what you post on the internet may end up on face book, u tube or anywhere.
    I am now going to attack (not Mr. Baldy because I have learned to respect his straight forward comments) but rather an impression I get from this discussion. I ponder that one reason so few people are willing to fight this topic in the open is that they will have their motives investigated. Far too often they are called hateful,homophobic. They are often linked to the Nazi past as if they are people who if allowed free reign would gas all homosexuals.
    I challenge anyone to tell me the name of even one well known politician who has come out to say not only do they think marriage is for one man and one women but that homosexuality is wrong. Lets see how long of a list we can make.
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  11. Wickus here:

    I have been pondering over this post an the comments made. Yes, I do agree with Adamantine that homosexuality is stuffed in our faces and it is the “political correct” sin of the day. I also agree with Mr Baldy that greed is the sin that drives most people. Every one and every company and every government wants MORE.

    But look around you. The decay of society is everywhere. Most people are driven by how much they can party and drink tonight. Men are driven by how many women they can bed. You can not even switch on the TV without seeing some steamy out of wedlock love scene on it. I know more adulterers than gay people. In this context does God see the gay in a worse light than the adulterer or drunkard?

    I guess what makes homosexuality worse is that you need a law passed to make it legal and it gets stuffed in the face of our children, but with all the other sins practiced God’s grace is shown and His judgment is long overdue. If we must post about sin in society on this site there will not be time for anything else. Sin is rampant. The love of many is growing cold. Natural love is dying.

    Jesus is coming.

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  12. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=64769 ….have heard this before and found an article (from 2008) that speaks to the issue being discussed that points to a time when in ancient history when homosexuals were demanding marriage. read for yourselves and see if it doesn’t read like our headlines today and see why this issue is a real barometer of a societies decay. sin (any sin) is off the charts these days-we all agree. my own thoughts are:how am i responding to get the Gospel out to my neighbors-no matter what sins they are guilty of-so that they are warned of the wrath to come and be saved as this sinner was? do i even care? my heart is challenged to love any and every soul for whom Jesus died to save. Lord, give me Your eyes to see and Your heart to care.

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  13. Ok let me think here, does the word not tell us already that the world is judged and condemned because they believe not on Jesus Christ?

    Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
    Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
    Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
    Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
    Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
    Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
    Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
    Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
    Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
    Joh 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
    Joh 16:17 Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?
    Joh 16:18 They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.
    Joh 16:19 Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?
    Joh 16:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
    Joh 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
    Joh 16:22 And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.
    Joh 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
    Joh 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
    Joh 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.
    Joh 16:26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
    Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
    Joh 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.
    Joh 16:29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.
    Joh 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
    Joh 16:31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?
    Joh 16:32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.
    Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

    Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

    What I mean is this is the job of the holy spirit that was sent on the day of Pentecost as Jesus told his disciples. I am not going out the march against homosexuals, as I do not play the world’s games. From what I can tell the first disciples were persecuted for preaching the name of Jesus and his salvation gospel, not do not be a homosexual.

    My opinion only here, but the world is already lost in so many ways we cannot even count them. As Jesus says here in John 16:33 he has overcome the world and again in John 16:11

    Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

    So what is this divine judgment anyway? The world has already been judged, the ones who come out of the world and believe are the only ones who are going to hear anything anyway.

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  14. maybe i can answer better as to clarify-i’m talking end days stuff here. the whole question posed was why focus on that particular sin-it is only brought up because of it’s end days context as one of the many signs of how far man has gone-and will continue to go-against God until the Lord comes again to overthrow satan’s reign as prince of this world. Jesus has overcome the world already-the cross made an end of the penalty(punishment) for those who believe-we know this. (and those unwilling (whoever they are) will end up judged in the great tribulation-and then of course we know they perish in the lake of fire later after the white throne judgment)-(not speaking to the 1000 year reign here). adamantine is not picking on homosexual’s or any other sinful way man wants to behave against the Lord and i’m not singling them out either as though they are the worst-love the sinner-hate all sin. the article in my post above-if you read it-is talking according to ancient jewish babylonian talmud that the rabbi’s view in the end of the world scenario as when God has finally seen enough of evil that He steps in to halt it. according to them the evil continually was everything but was summed up in homosexual sin because it went against God’s creative intention in the beginning when God made people as male and female and it flew right in the face of what He originally did in designing people created in His Image. in His image is a very important point in what i am conveying and what this jewish rabbinical viewpoint states. somehow man and woman joined in marriage are a complete picture in the wisdom of God’s design and the same-sex model is a total affront to His plan. this jewish viewpoint speaks to the only other time in history when homosexuals were marrying was just before the flood when noah was preaching that 120 years. no other era of human history records homosexual marriage except that time and we know how God judged then. so the world is seeing the repeat of that terrible time-not to mention all the other things we on this site have been watching-the whole sick global agenda pushing for human rights (to be as debauched as they want as along as they buy the global plan). it is all adding up. and the issue brought up is another part of how-on the whole scene-things are fitting the last days timeframe. we can all have our say here and i think it is a good thing for us to gather our collective thoughts. (i do believe however we must guard our tone though as not to offend). the Gospel getting shared is the whole reason to look at social issues as well as look at the prophecies and be prompted to get the truth in front of people so they can hear what Jesus did in their place. i appreciate all of you. i glean much in the back and forth. thanks adamantine and wickus for the excellent job of keeping things on track. God bless each of you.

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  15. For people who have actually done their research the Gay agenda is being pushed world wide.
    Whats 1 good way to depopulate the planet without having to have a big war?
    Stop people from breeding.
    The gay lifestyle is being promoted from music stars to politicians.
    The topic currently is very big in the news and deserves to be highlighted as it is just another piece of the puzzle.
    Over time we had discussions for days even weeks on end over JS then ENPI then Disasters, War in the middle east and now Homosexuality and next month another thing so if you look at the pattern over the years I say all these topics at their time were rightly highlighted and are also suppose to happen pretty much.

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  16. Adamantine,

    I want to thank you for having the maturity to not take what I have mentioned personally. If this were any other forum, I would have been banned for life.

    I too respect your knowledge, and your ability to put things out as they relate to Bible Prophecy. I believe that you have been blessed by God with an aspect of the Gift of Prophecy; in that you have a true passion to understand the truth as it relates to the End Times, and your passion come with a desire to share this same knowledge with others.

    I thank God for this forum. I know that I can be an “in your face” type guy, I’ve been that way all my life. I know that I can be a bit forward when it comes to communicating with people – some of which is very sinful in nature, but this is who I am, and I am working on trying to become a better man.

    I want to switch gears for a minute, as I have something else on my heart as it relates to the End Times. Has anyone ever wondered why Jesus stated that He will come like a thief in the night? Or has anyone considered why Jesus mentions that at His Return men will be carrying on just like in the Days of Noah?

    Well….I have a feeling that it is because people will ignore signs. They will take things for granted, as if prophecy hasn’t been fulfilled.

    This is a concern that I have, and this is why I believe that everything that we have communicated about on this forum is true.

    Just a thought that I have……….

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  17. Jake…
    Wasn’t saying that we couldn’t discuss. I just didn’t want it to take a wrong turn. It didn’t.. And Also Very Good Point!!! I don’t want to hinder any conversation and or discussion.

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  18. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rqhG2yT-58&feature=related dear mr. baldy, God bless you. your point about Jesus’ coming like a thief in the night made me think of this song that really sparks the thought of how the world has ignored-passed over-easily dismissed the King of Kings through time. be blessed in it’s beautiful and powerful understanding that speaks exactly the point you are making. to everyone—i’m thankful for all of you. not many really want to hear what we share here. you are friends of the Lord Jesus and that makes you friends of mine. praise to the Lord for all He has shown us and grant us boldness to share the Truth whether they will hear or not.

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  19. Andre’,

    Thanks for the blessing – that was an AWESOME video as well! May God also bless you, and your family as well.

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