In defence of The Vision

Wickus here:

I do not want to turn this blog into a David Wilkerson discussion board, so hopefully this is the last post about this topic. His 1973 vision has been criticized mainly because he did not put a specific time limit onto it. Many believe that 38 years later makes it invalid. I frown upon it. If so then all of the Bible prophecies must be invalid as many are still unfulfilled for thousands of years.

It has also been suggested that he should have get a job before publishing the book. I also frown upon that. He had a job. He was called by God to preach to the poor and the drug addicts in New York. He was employed by Jesus. His life is a witness of it! So to quit that job and start a job as a shoe salesman would have been walking out of the calling of God, and NOT to write down The Vision as he believed God wanted him to do would have been rebellion.I have often found in my personal walk with the Lord that it is always easy for some good meaning Christian to give me advice that is out of God’s will and not in His calling for me.

The statement that he is not a prophet has also been pulled out of proportion. Pastor Wilkerson stated that he had 2 visions in his life. The first one was his calling to New York that was fulfilled to the letter, and the second one was the 1973 one. He just stated that it did not make him a prophet, but he did believe firmly in what he saw. He did not hide behind anything.

Some of the details of this reputed vision were:

  1. “Worldwide recession caused by economic confusion”
    • “At most a few more fat flourishing years, and then an economic recession that’s going to affect the life style of every wage-earner in the world. The world economists are going to be at loss to explain what’s happening. It’s going to start in Europe, spread to Japan and finally to the United States.” (Wickus: It did happen and is documented)
    • There will be a move toward a worldwide, unified monetary system. The US dollar will be hit bad and it will take years for it to recover. (Wickus: IF the Dollar recovers. This is one point that I disagree on, but we have to wait and see)
    • The only real security will be in real estate (until a somewhat later stage, at which point this apparent security will also disappear). (Wickus: Currently the real estate market is in shambles)
  2. “Nature having labor pains”
    • Environmentalists will come under heavy criticism. (Wickus: Didn’t see that yet)
    • There will be major earthquakes. (Wickus: He says later on the big US quake will NOT be in California)
    • There will be a major famine. (Wickus: We read the predictions in the news daily)
    • Floods, hurricanes and tornadoes will increase in frequency. (Wickus: Need we say more?)
    • “A new kind of cosmic storm appearing as a raging fire in the sky leaving a kind of vapor trail.” (Wickus: There are talks of some comet that some call Planet X that will come very close to earth in September 2011. How true, I don’t know)
  3. “A flood of filth and a baptism of dirt in America”
    • Topless women will appear on television, followed by full nudity. (Wickus: He is correct)
    • Adult, X rated movies will be shown on cable television. Young people will gather at homes to watch this kind of material in groups. (Wickus: Again, he is correct)
    • Sex and the occult will be mixed. (Wickus: There has been many reports)
    • There will be an acceptance of homosexuality, and the church will even say that it is a God-given gift. (Wickus: You have read that everywhere, didn’t you?)
  4. “Rebellion in the home”
    • “I see the new number one youth problem in America and the world as hatred towards parents.” (Wickus: Not to sure if it is the no 1 problem, but it is a great propblem)
  5. “A persecution madness against truly Spirit filled Christians who love Jesus Christ”
    • There will arise a world church consisting of a union between liberal ecumenical Protestants and the Roman Catholic Church, using Christ in name only. (Wickus: Happened and happening)
    • There will be a hate Christ movement. (Wickus: Watch the Franklin Graham interview)
    • There will be a spiritual awakening behind the Iron and Bamboo Curtains. (Wickus: So true)
  6. Others
    • There will be another wave of riots. (Wickus: Is this the Middle East riots or does he mean the US)
    • There will be a fall in moral conduct. (Wickus: So true)
    • There will be a new drug that will be popular with teenagers that will break down resistance and will encourage sexual activity. (Wickus: I am no drug expert. Is there currently such a drug? Maybe this: http://www.gaypsychotherapy.com/GLR%20Crystal%20Sex.htm Explicit language. I could only read a bit of it. )
    • Homosexual and lesbian ministers will be ordained and this will be heralded as a new breed of pioneer. (Wickus: Yip, so true)
    • There will be occult practices in churches. (Wickus: Tod Bentley, Benny Hinn… hmmm)

If you take into account that this was written in 1973 when the things he described was unheard of, does it still make him a false prophet? Some of it is still future, some is happening and some did happen. I think what bothers the most people is that he says “at most a few more fat flourishing years…”.  My question still is, how long is a few years? And does the few years discredit everything else that he has said?

WHAT HE HAS WRITTEN IN 1973, WE REPORT ON AND OBSERVE TODAY. TO SAY SUCH THINGS BACK IN 1973 WOULD HAVE MADE YOU A FOOL. HE RISKED HIS REPUTATION ON IT.

I would like to hear comments from people who has first hand read the book and can point out error in it, not someone who has hearsay information.

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2 thoughts on “In defence of The Vision

  1. When I was a teenager even just before that we In the mid 80’s were told 5 main things that will happen.

    One world Government.
    One would Religion,
    One world Currency,
    Revived Roman Empire
    Mark of the beast.
    Back then there was the Soviet union not the EU.
    Computers were as big as a house and as far as currency goes there was no chance the US dollar was going to collapse back then.
    Skip ahead 25 years and all of the things above are actually happening. I don’t see the church I went to back then as prophets as they got their information from the prophets in the bible.
    Most things happening now were planned by the global elite anyway like Carbon Tax for example: (Maurice strong in 1992 said they want a global carbon tax).
    20 years later looks like they will get their goal so most of the info David Wilkerson said has been planned by the Banking Cartels for along time anyway.
    Those people don’t just make something up then go and do it. It is planned well ahead of time like the Libya uprising which was Apparently planned years ago when Bush was in office. So David Wilkerson is right but people only need to research the plans and goals of the “illuminate” and they will see the whole is a giant Ponzi Scheme,all Planned and setup.
    The sad thing is these people have no idea who they are setting the system up for and if they do then they are purposely trying to fulfill prophecy so they can have their war with Jesus thinking they will win with their masonic messiah (antichrist).
    I have read that some of them actually think they can beat Jesus at Armageddon. When you get handed that much power and knowing that Jesus is against it they will try to defeat him with their Nuclear weapons and so on. They don’t believe in the teachings of Jesus but they believe he existed and probably will come back..
    it sounds a bit full on but its reality 🙂

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  2. Comment by Adamantine:
    1) This may or not be the last post I post about David Wilkerson. He is a good example as is Rick Joyner of those who may have or had prophetic gifting but do not say they are prophets. I was speaking about Wilkerson before he died and his death does not now exclude him from critique or criticism.
    2) I think he has been wrong repeatedly in his economic prophecies. I discovered this by chance as over the years he has made a variety of sermons which addressed the issue. A reasonable approach to what he was saying and interpretation and any sense of timing has shown him to have been wrong. I have only brought up this aspect of his teachings because some have made this an issue of the accuracy of his prophecies which was not my point. My strongest objection is making what are obvious prophecies and then by claiming one is not a prophet some how avoiding a careful analysis of the prophecies. It is also not humility to make such a claim to not being a prophet because actually this is what the church wishes to hear.
    3) He was an obvious success in so many other aspects of his service to God that it is obvious we honor his memory.
    4) His prophecies about what was coming in sin and debauchery for the church and the world so many years ago was WAS NOT unique. A MUCH DISPARAGED possible cult leader by the name of Herbert Armstrong said the same things in the 1960’s
    5) In the end I am unsure as to if Wilkerson was a prophet. The issue is less important as it relates to him ( you supporters of Wilkerson take this far too personally)
    The discussion as I presented it was about the wrong stance of making prophetic statements and then saying one is not a prophet. If Wilkerson wished to say the jury was still out on it then that would be honest. If the jury is no longer out but fulfillment to be seen then in honesty he should have said God had used him as a prophet.

    6) These are not moot points as far too many in small and some larger venues there exist some all around the world who make “prophecies” while denying they are prophets and they accrue to themselves attention and a mini notoriety in local congregations. In my opinion this should not be and especially if they obtain money for their ministries should this occur.
    7) That is all for now but if more might need discussion in the future it will be brought out.

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