July 2011

Comment by Adamantine:

I have enjoyed the opportunity to share my thoughts here and will continue to do so to some extent until July this year. I have appreciated the input and even encouragement of others. Thank You. I am expressing this now because I do not plan to simply fade away but would rather express now that if nothing has fast forwarded by July  it will not be my plan to follow as closely as I have done.

Until the end of the seven year ENPI in 2013 there may remain reasons for suspicion but I will personally cease advocacy of the theory and fall back to being a watcher. In the meantime thank you for following and reading my occasional banal posts. I am simply trying to find something a bit of interest as we all hang in there with this theory just awhile longer.  I would so have loved to know how Herb Peters would have handled this time of quandary. I do not wish to in any manner elevate him beyond his true status but he was able to make sense of how to watch with concern while not becoming  fixated or deluded. I hope we are doing that on this site. God Bless

Additionally:

I am quite sure we are in the “end times” fulfilling out the last generation. I am not sure we are in the last seven years.
I am not a pastor and I do not think it is my calling to be a promoter of end time theology.
In 2005 before I ever heard of Herb Peters and this end times theory I was aware of the Bird Flu risk. I warned family and friends based on science. Obviously that has faded but there has been no admitting by the government that they over estimated the risk. They simply moved on and push the yearly flu vaccine. I believe the most honest thing is to say definitively at some point when one thinks they may have been wrong. If by July 2011 the WEU is dissolved then by definition the theory has failed even if Christ raptures everyone August 1, 2011. It is poor behavior to ever claim
that you are correct if you are unable to ever claim you were wrong. Next while I encourage watching I do not think it is my task to be a cheer leader to encourage general spiritual enthusiasm. If I were to take that upon myself I would find it difficult to speak daily to whatever I felt the truth was for the day. Some days the news suggests the theory is wrong and other days it suggests it is correct. Both need to be reported.

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10 thoughts on “July 2011

  1. Well my hope is that we all keep watching the EU, Israel, etc and what transpires. For sure these things fit in, I cannot say right now how it will all play out. But one thing that is sure, I will always be watching and praying. I appreciate all the fellow watchers who do the same and post here. Want you to keep doing the same as well. All are needed.

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  2. Adamantine,

    At first when I glanced at the picture that you have posted on this particular topic; and the words that it displayed – I began to think…wow this will be an encourging post. But after reading your comments, I thought….wow, how hypocritical is this? Adamantine is “floundering” again. What is it Adamantine…when things are going great, and your way – you’re one of the greatest writers that I’ve seen on a Prophecy Site. Yet when things slow down (which I believe that they haven’t) you give up hope? Perhaps this is in your own thinking…but I guess sometimes you feel like a nut; and sometimes you don’t.

    Look Adamantine, while I respect your decision to do whatever it is that you need to do – let me remind you in the same breath, that you’re a leader on this particular forum, and you are a blessing to the readers of this forum, ENP(I) theory or not.

    So things aren’t happening as quickly as they should in your own way of thinking huh? So you have in your “own mind” thought that if things don’t happen the way that Adamantine would view that they should – and that by a particular time; then you must “cease advocacy of the theory” right? And now it even appears as if you’re comparing yourself to the late great man of God Herb Peters – as you mention that this is now a “time of quandary”.

    None of this appears to make sense to you – again in “your own way of thinking”, so you have apparently deduced yourself to becoming “fixated or deluded”?

    Oh man of God…..stand up like a man, and put on the whole armour of God! Quit letting Satan attack you like this. Now is not the time to sound weak, miserable, and pathetic! We’ve been down this road before with those who “expected” to “see” things in their “own” way of thinking at the so-called “Mid-point” – yet now look at all the Prophetic events that are occurring!!

    It is not about the ENP(I) Adamantine! The ENP(I) may have only served as a “marker”, as many of us who believe and have discovered that the ENP(I) and the 70th week may overlap – to point us in the right direction, and possibly explain some of the current events that are now happening right before our very eyes. Now pick yourself up by your bootstraps, and get with the Program. You’re desperately needed! And you should NEVER QUIT!

    In closing….you can’t compare yourself to Herb Peters, or any other man for that matter. You are you, and God has blessed you to bless others. So don’t be a quitter! If by chance you have become “fixated” on this particular theory, then re-examine yourself and think of the very positive things that have come forth…like the blessings that you have brought to others, and the edification to and for the Word of God. Whether or not this theory proves true or not, you’re a Soldier in the Army of the Lord, and we need you in this battle until the end. So get your head out of the sand, quit feeling sorry for yourself, and last but not least……quit letting Satan beat you down, as if you were a wimpy Christian with no heart or spirit! May God give you strength Adamantine. You need to learn to be strong, not only when the times are great, but ESPECIALLY when times are hard, and there appears to be no hope – even in your “own thinking”.

    Remember…………
    God is in Control!

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  3. Adamantine:

    I am quite sure we are in the “end times” fulfilling out the last generation. I am not sure we are in the last seven years.
    You may have missed my point. I am not a pastor and I do not think it is my calling to be a promoter of end time theology.
    In 2005 before I ever heard of Herb Peters and this end times theory I was aware of the Bird Flu risk. I warned family and friends based on science. Obviously that has faded but there has been no admitting by the government that they over estimated the risk. They simply moved on and push the yearly flu vaccine. I believe the most honest thing is to say definitively at some point when one thinks they may have been wrong. If by July 2011 the WEU is dissolved then by definition the theory has failed even if Christ raptures everyone August 1, 2011. It is poor behavior to ever claim
    that you are correct if you are unable to ever claim you were wrong. Next while I encourage watching I do not think it is my task to be a cheer leader to encourage general spiritual enthusiasm. If I were to take that upon myself I would find it difficult to speak daily to whatever I felt the truth was for the day. Some days the news suggests the theory is wrong and other days it suggests it is correct. Both need to be reported.

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  4. I want to address a few points that you have brought up, and first, I’ll begin with this:

    You say : “if the WEU is dissolved by July 2011 then by definition the theory has failed.”

    Ok….so here we are leaning on our own understanding again?

    Look, I don’t know how many times those of us who are looking at this theory have to mention the apparent “road signs” over and over again, but at least give this theory the benefit of the doubt that prophecy is being fulfilled – whether or not you can fit things into your way of thinking or not. At least WAIT until it has expired, before you go placing events at “timings” that you, in your own thinking expect to happen. So what if the WEU does dissolve in July 2011? And then again, what if it dissolves, a crisis happens which immediately calls for their action, and they come to power again within the same given timeframe – what say ye then? You see there could be many other variables that could happen within this given timeframe that may come to past, that would open up our understanding. At this point, it would be premature to totally dismiss this theory – given ALL the circumstances that appear to fit bible prophecy. So relax.

    Next point……..

    You say: “It is poor behavior to ever claim that you are correct if you are unable to ever claim you were wrong”.

    Yes, I agree with your statement here. But then the question becomes….Has any one of us EVER claimed this theory to be absolutely correct? To my knowledge, everyone who has been a faithful follower to this point, and has viewed the ENP(I) theory as something to watch, has NEVER claimed it to be correct – heck, it isn’t even over yet. No…. what we have been is obedient to Christ, in that we are “watching”; and that is what He has commanded us to do. Even if this theory claims to be false. It won’t discourage me, nor will I EVER quit watching, or lose faith. You see, again, it’s not about a particular theory, or even being “right” – it’s about being obedient to Christ.

    Then you mention this: “I do not think it is my task to be a cheer leader to encourage general spiritual enthusiasm”.

    Well Adamantine…..guess what? You have sir!
    Now that you have captured this audience, thereby placing your own self into this position – then be man enough to see it out until the end. No one is putting pressure on you, but you. Take the bad with the good. There are days you write great articles; get many responses….and there are days when the theory appears to be fading, and you have less to write about, but you still have an audience. I believe that we who read your comments, and the topics that you put up for discussion understand that.

    You and Wickus have a great thing going here. There will always be things to report, as it relates to Scripture, even until the Return of Christ. If you are feeling the pressure to put forth to the audience “whatever you felt the truth was for the day” – then my Brother in Christ, you are definately missing the point. You see, it’s not about you, or your intelligence, or how you see things, just keep delivering the message – you’re doing a fantastic job.

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  5. My 2 cents —–

    Adamantine… I second that. You are doing a fantastic job!!!

    The theory doesn’t have to be right or wrong. In fact throw the theory out. We are called to watch and that is in fact what all of us are doing… Again you and Wickus have created a great thing here.. Many people have left fulfilled prophecy to come here. Born to Watch (Scot) enjoys seeing the things we have here at our site. Everyone enjoys your comments, insights and wisdom. We are suppose to encourage one another and all the more as the day approaches.

    I have to say that I agree with Mr. Baldy… I too started looking at prophecy back in 2007 after the market crash, but I’ve been watching and observing the road signs, not trying to fit things into a theory. I think the road signs are there as stated in the God’s word. The signs are not exactly lining up with what we think might happen, but isn’t that how God works? Our job as watchers is to identify the road signs and ultimately prepare others for Christ’s return. Salvation is most important.

    Love in Christ

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  6. you report-we all decide. to watch or not to watch is not even a question for us here is it?. yes we watch! and the Lord God has shown us much much much to watch! we know based on the scriptures-not science or an agenda or anything else-we know to watch because that is our Lord’s orders. i appreciate the encouragement i have received here-to keep on keeping on whether the ducks are in a row or not and even if others think we are goofy or something. i am not about a theory-and don’t believe any of us here are pushing to believe in a certain pre-prescribed mindset. there is much openness and exploration of many things to view. thank you for that. however i will encourage that we stay in a frame of heart and mind that will keep looking forward rather than going all the way back to the drawing board. we know too much now to scrap what has clearly been presented by the Word of God and events too developed accordingly to deny. many surprises from the Lord are comin’ ’round the bend and we need our objectivity rather than a subjective take on it all. my two cents means little-probably all of us are noting that our two cents is only our two cents-but the Word is propelling us here and for that reason i come and receive helpful info and insights and perhaps leave some encouragement along the way. i believe that is the goal here as we are not following any one thought or theory or person. so keep posting adamantine….you are offering much because the Lord is laying these things before you and you are faithful not to leave them laying but taking this all up as a help to many more than you know. we follow the Lord together-we can follow the Lord apart from one another-but we follow the Lord!

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  7. I am greatly encouraged by the wisdom, insight, and agape love that prevails at this site.My heart is touched by the beauty of seeing two brothers encourage , exhort and edify the rest of us by their Christlike attitudes and speech that brings the One we love so much great glory and adoration.

    Everyone of you have a very special place in my heart and am blessed beyond measure to know that we will spend eternity exploring the shores of eternity – together!

    Mr Baldy please know that both you and Adamantine are greatly loved and appreciated whom sharpen the rest of us- daily!

    Boetie , may the Lord be glorified by your obedience by making this site one of the most treasured places on the internet for us.I’m assured more than ever that this does not go unnoticed.
    With much appreciation and gratitude!

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  8. Wickus here:

    Well Brother Adamantine, I am in agreement with all that posted here. We both know that the Lord has blessed you with much insight into prophecy. You were loved and respected on FP and you are loved and respected here.

    Even if this theory fails, we have been true to Jesus. We also know that Israels only friend, the US, is on the brink of collapse. We also know that Israel and Jerusalem is about to be divided. That will be enforced by troops surrounding Jerusalem. And we know that will point to an AoD event.

    We are so close. There is no time to sit back because a theory seems to be failing. I agree with Mr Baldy that the 7 year ENP is a great marker. I find it difficult to believe that God will allow a 7 year confirmed covenant with many in such a late hour just to confuse His watchmen. And even if He did allow it and it is not THE covenant, He has got His good reason.

    One thing all of us must remember, not one hair will fall from your head unless God allows it. This road signs is before us because God wanted it to happen as it did. Satan did NOT plan this to deceive us. God is, was and will always be in control of the hair on your head and road to the fulfillment of prophecy.

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  9. To everyone above,

    Very well said indeed.

    Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard [it], and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. Malachi 3:16 (KJV)

    And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him. Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not. Malachi 3:17-18 (KJV)

    All of the Lord’s Blessings,
    Scott

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  10. Communication is very tricky. I have been a communicator for many years and have well learned this lesson: the message sent is not always the message heard. Adamantine you are I believe trying very diplomatically to make it clear that you will be ready to confess any folly you have demonstrated by your enthusiastic writings, and retreat to your own quiet and humble corner if things do not pan out according to theory. But what people are hearing is that you will throw the towel in, wash your hands and go pout a bit as you contemplate life as a misdirected hermit. You don’t mean that, but it is a bit what people are hearing. They want you to know I believe, you would be sorely missed. They know you are not a “seer”, just a rather eloquent watchman, which interestingly is a label we all try to wear. Things may not work the way we think,…probably won’t work exactly the way we think. But there isn’t one of us here that could in any honesty say we don’t think a whole lot is going on behind the curtain, and we all just sense to our core that the curtain is about to be raised. It’s a front row seat we have. And you sir have a ticket right along with the rest of us. You shan’t be allowed to escape it. Sit down with the rest of us, cease with the “I will be leaving chatter” and know you are loved. SIT DOWN. We are here till this performance is over, and the lead Actor takes His bows. You sir along with all the rest of us can not escape the longing to see Him crowned from these front row seats. Nkosazana

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