Wickus here:
I read on a lot of websites that people are expecting the Eze 38/39 war to happen soon. It does look like it may be the case as Iran and Russia are good friends lately and the rest of the countries listed in Eze 38 are siding with them. I have a different stand on the timing of the Gog/Magog war, and it is open for discussion.
Look at the following Scriptures:
Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
This is what happens directly after the Gog/Magog war. God says that Israel will KNOW He is the Lord from that day forward and they will dwell in safety with no one to make them afraid. Now this is God speaking and He cannot lie. So if the Gog/Magog war happens before the AoD event and the rise of the antichrist, how will it be that the Jews will be scattered again in the tribulation and have to flee for safety? How can the time of Jacob’s trouble start after Israel and the nations will acknowledge the Lord? Does God not say that after the Gog/Magog war that NONE will make them afraid?
Now I admit that the following verse states that when the Gog/Magog war happens, Israel will be living in safety.
Eze 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
This does not sound like a nation living in the time of Jacob’s trouble after the AoD. This means that Israel will have to be living in safety before the war and will live in safety after the war. It looks like the current conditions in the Middle East is not right for this prophecy to be fulfilled.
We have another clue in the Bible:
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
This is the only other mention of Gog and Magog in the Bible. Can it be that the Eze 38/39 prophecies is for the far future? Israel will be living in peace and security at that time and forever after. This will satisfy the demands made by the prophecies.
These are my thoughts, it can be flawed and I will welcome debate on it.
UNSEALED PROPHECY 
You have overlooked something very important concerning “Israel”. Is the “Israel” in Ezekiel referring to the “COUNTRY” Israel or the “REMNANTt” Israel?
“I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy ghost, that I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of god, and promises; Whose are the father, and of whom as concering the flesh Christ came, who is over all, god blessed for ever. Amen. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect, FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL, WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL; NEITHER BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN BUT, IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED. THAT IS, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED. (Ro (1-8)
Paul goes on to say “Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved”. (Ro. 9:27)
Now, again, is Ezekiel 38 & 39 speaking about Israel the “country” or “saved” Israel?
Being that Israel turns to God after Gog-Magog, then it MUST be remnant Israel. So, is there a time when remnant Israel is living in peace and safety?
The answer is YES!
The woman is hidden for 3 and 1/2 years during the GT. I submit to you that Gog-Magog occurs during the last half of the GT against the remnant.
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Some points of interest: Genesis 10.2 tells us that Magog was the second son of Japheth. Gomer, Tubal, and Meschech were also sons of Japheth. Togarmah was a grandson of Japheth and the third son of Gomer. Magag’s land was located in the Caucasus and the adjoining steppes. The three, Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal were called by the ancients Scythians. There were nomadic and roamed in and around the area of the Black and Caspian Seas and were known as the wildest barbarians. I think that would show that Rosh is Russia and the prince of Rosh would mean the prince of the Russian empire. I wonder who might be the one to fulfill that role. Putin perhaps?
Interestingly enough, Persia is said to be the first nation federated with Russia. Enter Achmad Idon’tneedajob, whose sole purpose in life seems to be the ushering in of the Mahdi and the annihilation of the Jews. The guy is simply a menace to humanity but a puppet in the hand of God nonetheless.
Next in line would be Ethiopia or perhaps more accurately, a north African alliance. One might consider the Kasshites or Koshites.
And then, of course, is Put, or Libya, followed by Gomer, which most believe is Germany. And then comes Togarmah, or Turkey.
It’s going to be ugly no matter how you slice it.
More to come…
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Wikus, I SAY A HEARTY YES! that the Gog/Magog war is ONE war and occurs just when the Bible says it occurs: AFTER the 1000 year reign of Christ, when Satan is loosed from Heaven…I have always believed this since I began studying prophecy 20 years ago, and I feel very alone in believing it.
I think the soon coming conflict in the Middle East will have more to do with Psalm 83 and Jeremiah 49:23-27 and result in Jerusalem being surrounded by armies…and THAT is when the Lord tells us that the AOD is just around the corner.
But for us to believe that the the Psalm 83/ Jeremiah 49 conflict and AOD is near, we must also consent to agree that the “midst” of Daniel 9:27 must then have to mean “about the middle” and not the EXACT middle of the 7 year covenant, and that is IF we believe the ENP is the 7 year covenant. As you or Adamantine pointed out earlier, Websters dictionary gives room for that definition of “midst” as being in the middle or “about” the middle.
Finally, I am not looking for JS to be promoted to the PSC to see him as then being given power to continue.Oh sure, that MAY happen, but..IF the ENP is the 7 year covenant, then the next AC event which will propel AC into power will be the event found in Rev 13…his LITERAL death and Satanic-generated resurrection, because Rev 13 PLAINLY tells us that THIS event preceeds AC being “given power to continue for 42 months”.
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Ok Gregster……..
I was with you until you said these things:
1) “IF the ENP is the 7 year covenant, then the next AC event which will propel AC into power will be the event found in Rev 13”
my response:
Look Gregster….you can’t have the ENP without Solana – simply, there won’t be a “next AC” . Solana and the entire ENP(I) theory work hand in hand. Either the theory and Solana is correct, or it just isn’t it. You and others MUST remember…the coming AC “MUST” remain hidden, until his proper time.
Then you say:
2) “his LITERAL death and Satanic-generated resurrection, because Rev 13 PLAINLY tell us that THIS even preceeds AC being “given power to continue for 42 months”.
my response:
Honestyly Gregster….your interpretation of Scripture needs some fine tunning. Where do you read in Revelation 13, that this is a “LITERAL death” and “Satanic-generated resurrection” of the coming AC? I mean please………. until you understand what Scripture is giving us, let’s NOT ASSUME. This could lead to very faulty interpretation, and a very skewed view of what is to come.
In closing, I will say this…… at least you are open to the view that the ENP(I) may be the prophesised week that the Covenant with Many is being confirmed. Now we just have to “wait” and see how the events unfold. Because the “midst” could very well mean “about the middle”, and NOT the “exact middle”.
Good observation!
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Wickus thanks for the good observ ations and thinking for yourself!! You’re right those things do not fit with the cuurent situation IF you call Israel the modern day state of Plaestine or the people therein. The text does not say that, it distinctly uses the peculiar phrase “Mountains of Israel”. If it was the 12 tribes of the OT old covenant Israel wouldn’t the text text just refer to them as plain old “Israel”? But that’s not the way Ezekiel states it. I think because it is referrring to “Kingdom of Christianity” and if you look at it from that perspective the United States the greatest Christian Nation has dwelt in safety and is being invaded. Your thoughts.
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GOD, STOP OBAMA !
The USA is presently under attack! Not by a plane flying into a building, but by the insane lying inside a building – the White House!
According to many sources, it was 8:46 in the morning on September 11, 2001 when 9-11 began in New York City.
The answer to the present national crisis will not be found in either an “Eric Rudolph” or in a “John Hinckley Jr.”
It will be found when true American patriots collectively ask God to remove from earth – or at least seriously cripple – the same national pestilence!
Each morning at 8:46 all genuine Americans, in their respective time zones, should make this petition to the Almighty.
The more this collective prayer is sent to the “God” mentioned in all 50 state constitutions, the sooner this national cancer will be removed!
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Guys, seriously how can the Gog/Magog war be only at the end of the 1000 years if Ezekiel says Israel gathers the bones and cleanses the land for 7 years after that?? We know the Great White Throne Judgement is what happens after the 1000 years. And furthermore, wouldn’t Israel already know that the Lord is their God during the 1000 years? They wouldn’t need God to destroy some invading armies in order to reveal Himself to them, if He were already living among them as Messiah for 1000 years….
The Gog/Magog war is going to happen at some point before the Lord returns. And the reference to Gog/Magog in Revelation is meant to show us that something similar will happen again at the end of the 1000 years. There will be another event in which the nations again attempt to invade Israel and annihilate them. It’s going to happen twice. And it says fire falls down from Heaven and destroys the invading armies at the end of the 1000 years. This is a bit different than how the invading armies are destroyed in Ezekiel 38/39. These are 2 different events, guys. They are separated by approx. 1000 years.
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I think we must be careful to not fall into the replacement theology trap. Israel still stays God’s elected people in the covenant with Abraham and physical Israel is and will never be rejected. I stand firm in believing that Eze 38/39 is for physical Israel. The dry bones were scattered worldwide and brought back together in tiny Israel.
I believe this prophecy will be fulfilled to the letter and it will involve the country Israel. The question just still remains when.
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Thanks for the background Mike. Yes, ugly it will get, and soon.
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Pounder I agree, but the question still remains: When in the prophetic timeline will this happen?
Before the war Israel must life in safety, so it can not happen in the tribulation, and after the war Israel and the heathens will acknowledge the Lord as God, so Israel will not be persecuted after the war.
It does look like an end of the age war, but the safety that Israel must be in before the war does not fit the tribulation that Israel will endure during the 1260 days.
Am I missing something?
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Greetings all. I have been following your posts for some time now. It has definitely been most interesting and encouraging. Thank you
Is it possibly Wickus that the coming war with Iran will lead into the Psalm 83 conflict? This would allow Israel to expand it’s land and live in unwalled villages after they take out their Arab neighbors. This will also give Israel time to build up it’s oil and natural gas reserves and at the same time Rosh and Persia can plot against them to come take a spoil. This would also allow time for the AC to arrive on the seen with a solution.
God Bless,
A lad insane
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I have been speaking with a good friend of mine over the past 24 hours and he has been swaying me to the other side with the Gog/Magog conflict taking place somewhere in the last 3 1/2 years. The sticking point for me has always been that when it occurs Israel must be living in saftey in unwalled villages (Ez 38:11), His argument to me is the “unwalled villages” could mean Israel’s well known military defenses which may be thoroughly depleted as a result of the peace process, and/or as a result of the Psalm 83/ and Isaiah 17 conflict. In Isaiah 17 we see that Damascus is leveled…and Israel too is has a serious, but not fatal blow dealt to them.The world opinion would so swayed against Israel from the Psalm 83/ Isaiah 17 conflict, it would lead to the Gog/Magog conflict. I am being swayed by his argument!
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Hey all…interesting subject…hope it’s not too late to join the discussion. I read an article about a month ago by a man named Joel Richardson (link info below). Joel makes a compelling argument for Gog/Magog not refering to Russia, but rather Turkey…and that the anti-christ comes out of the revived Ottoman empire, not Roman. You gentlemen seem further educated in this subject than I, and I would appreciate feedback.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1886838/posts
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Comment by Adamantine:
Sometimes I feel guilty trying to answer anything further in the comment section because I already get such a “bully pulpit” on this site as Teddy Roosevelt once referred to the presidency. So thanks for reading and commenting here. Yes I am not against an Islamic Antichrist but I am suspicious that Solana if he still proves important may be far more in tune with Islam than he is with Jews or Christians. It is true that the Antichrist persecutes Jews and Christians and not Muslims. Hence if we were to see the rise of a ten nation group FIRST and then a leader arise I would be watching intensively. The thing is we do not even have that .
I am glad that Joel Rosenberg is writing and do not think he is hurting my current belief that Solana may still be important. In the end the AC exalts himself above all gods which must include even the false ones such as Allah.
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