Unsealed Prophecy

Daniel 9:27 – The End to Sacrifice

Guest post by Truth:

“He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the midst of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.”

Daniel 9:27

In this article, two scripturally independent pathways are shown to lead to the same date for the “end to sacrifice” in Daniel 9:27. Timelines are detailed in the prophecy spreadsheet v4.2.24 that accompanies this article. That spreadsheet may be downloaded HERE.

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New spreadsheet version here. Prophecy_v4.3.1

With the following assumptions:

1) Sacrifice starts on September 4, 2013.

2) There is a future ‘seven’ to come.
3) The stopping of the sacrifice and the Abomination of Desolation occur together on April 26, 2016.
4) The ENPI is set aside from consideration.

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(For those of you who have downloaded previous versions of my prophecy spreadsheet, you will find new content in cells J11, J15, T5, T20, Y22, P40, R40, T40, S44 through S48, T51, U51, and V51.)

Disclaimer: I am not a prophet. I have not been given that divine calling and I do not claim that office. I could be wrong. This article is presented for your consideration and your comments. I strongly urge you to determine for yourself the validity of the assumptions and conclusions presented below.

PATHWAY 1

In previous articles posted here I have relied on the start and end dates (January 1, 2007 and December 31, 2013) of the European Neighbourhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI) to establish a date for the “end to sacrifice.”

11 It set itself up to be as great as the commander of the army of the Lord; it took away the daily sacrifice from the Lord, and his sanctuary was thrown down. 12 Because of rebellion, the Lord’s people and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground.

13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the Lord’s people?”

14 He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

Daniel 8:11-14

Daniel 9:27 provides us with the start of the 2,300 days.  The start occurs “in the midst of the ‘seven.’” I believe that the ‘seven’ are the seven years of the ENPI.

Daniel 8:11-14 provides us with the end of the 2,300 days. The end occurs when “the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.” I believe that the words “the sanctuary will be reconsecrated” means Hanukkah.

Hanukkah, also known as the Festival of Lights, is an eight-day Jewish holiday commemorating the reconsecration of the Holy Temple (the Second Temple) in Jerusalem at the time of the Maccabean Revolt of the 2nd century B.C.

The start of the 2,300 days can be calculated by working backward from Hanukkah. For example:

August 15, 2012 is 2,300 days prior to Hanukkah 2018 (December 2, 2018)

September 4, 2013 is 2,300 days prior to Hanukkah 2019 (December 22, 2019)

August 24, 2014 is 2,300 days prior to Hanukkah 2020 (December 10, 2020)

Of these dates, only the first two fall within the start and end dates (January 1, 2007 and December 31, 2013) of the ENPI. Any Hanukkah from 2020 and forward is too far into the future to be the end date of a 2,300 day period that begins within the time span of the ENPI. They can be eliminated from further consideration.

Of the remaining two dates, August 15, 2012 is history. Even though August 15, 2012 falls within the ‘seven’ of the ENPI, it can be eliminated from further consideration because the “end to sacrifice” did not occur on that date. The “end to sacrifice” did not occur on any earlier date within the time span of the ENPI, either.

Starting with the ‘seven’ of the ENPI, the only possible date for the “end to sacrifice” is September 4, 2013.

PATHWAY 2

For this second pathway, assume that we are not aware of the ENPI, and further, that we are not aware of the ‘seven’ of Daniel 9:27. Can we arrive at a date for the “end to sacrifice” by relying on different scripture? Yes, if we take the “Seventy ‘sevens’” of Daniel 9:24 to be Sabbatical sevens.


The Seventy Sevens

A Sabbatical seven is seven periods of seven years each with each year being 360 days long.

8 “‘Count off seven sabbath years—seven times seven years—so that the seven sabbath years amount to a period of forty-nine years. 9 Then have the trumpet sounded everywhere on the tenth day of the seventh month; on the Day of Atonement sound the trumpet throughout your land.”

Leviticus 25:8-9

Now listen to what Daniel says.

“Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.”

Daniel 9:24

1) Daniel 9:24 tells us that “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city” (the ‘sevens’ clock only runs if the people [of Yahuah] are in possession of the holy city [Jerusalem]).

2) Daniel 9:25-26 tells us that sixty-nine (69) of those ‘sevens’ were complete by the time of the first coming of the Messiah, thus leaving only one ‘seven’ left to fulfill.

69 x 7 x 7 years x 360 days/year = 1217160 days. 1217160 days divided by 365.25 days/year = 3332.4 years. This correlates closely with historical and archeological evidence of the age of Jerusalem. Finds of pottery vessels in tombs to the south of the present walls of the Old City indicate that the site was first settled around 3,500 B.C. If we add another 70 years to account for the Babylonian captivity (when the people were not in the holy city), we get to approximately 3,400 B.C. I think that it we can agree that 3,400 B.C. is “around 3,500 B.C.”

3) I believe that the last ‘seven’ of Daniel 9:24 began on June 7, 1967 when Moshe Dyan and his troops parachuted into Jerusalem and took control of it.

4) The last ‘seven’ of Daniel 9:24 cannot have already have been fulfilled historically. If they were, then the ‘seven’ that began on June 7, 1967 would be the seventy-first  ‘seven.’  That would contradict scripture, so an historical fulfillment of the last ‘seven’ can be ruled out.

5) It cannot be shorter. If the last ‘seven’ of Daniel 9:24 were ‘seven years’ it would have been fulfilled by June, 1974; any time of Israeli control over all of Jerusalem beyond then would contradict scripture. Daniel 9:24 says “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed…,” not more, not fewer. Therefore the ‘seven’ of Daniel 9:24 is NOT seven years.

6) It cannot be longer. If the ‘sevens’ of Daniel 9:24 were longer than Sabbatical sevens, that would contradict the historical and archeological evidence concerning the age of Jerusalem.

7) Daniel 9:24 states that “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city…” The difference between June 7, 1967 and September 23, 2015 is exactly 7 x 7 years x 360 days/year = 17,640 days. The holy city of Jerusalem was captured (gained) on June 7, 1967. September 23, 2015 is a Yom Kippur, also known as The Day of Atonement.

Do you remember the “to atone for wickedness” in Daniel 9:24 and the reference to the Day of Atonement in Leviticus 25:8-9? I believe that it is by Yahuah’s design that the Sabbatical seven that began on June 7, 1967 ends on September 23, 2015, the Day of Atonement.

In my opinion, the last ‘seven’ of Daniel 9:24 began on June 7, 1967 and will be complete on September 23, 2015. Jerusalem will be captured (lost) on September 23, 2015. The Israelis will have sovereignty over Jerusalem until then; not a day fewer, not a day more.

So, what happens next?

The Gentiles Trample Down Jerusalem

But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months.

Revelation 11:2

The 42 months of Revelation 11:2 cannot begin until the last ‘seven’ of Daniel 9:24 are complete. They begin at the end of the last Sabbatical seven of Daniel 9:24 (September 23, 2015) and end 42 months later (March 6, 2019). [September 23, 2015 + 42 months x 30 days/month = March 6, 2019.]

When those 42 months end, the holy city will be taken away from the Gentiles. It will not, however, be returned to the people of Yahuah. According to Daniel 9:24, their time of possession of the holy city will have ended on September 23, 2015.

On March 6, 2019, the holy city will not be in the hands of the Gentiles, nor will it be in the hands of the people of Yahuah. So, who takes over the holy city? There is only one possibility.

The Day of YHWH

Yahuah will take possession of the holy city. That event will happen during the Day of YHWH. In other words, March 6, 2019 is a day that is within the Day of YHWH.

So, how long is the Day of YHWH? What is its earliest possible start date, its latest possible end date, and what can be determined from knowing these dates?

Isaiah tells us that the Day of YHWH is ["...a year of retribution..." (Ref. Isaiah 34:8) or "...the year of my redemption..." (Ref. Isaiah 63:4)].

If we make the generous assumption that the Day of YHWH is as much as a third (1/3) longer than a calendar year ["...a year of retribution..." (Ref. Isaiah 34:8) or "...the year of my redemption..." (Ref. Isaiah 63:4)], then the latest that the Day of YHWH could end is approximately sixteen (16) months after March 6, 2019, which is June 28, 2020. That date is more than five (5) months short of Hanukkah, 2020 (December 10, 2020). Therefore Hanukkah 2020, and Hanukkahs beyond 2020, are excluded as possible end dates for the 2,300 days of Daniel 8:14.

In the other direction, the earliest date that the Day of YHWH could begin is approximately sixteen (16) months prior to March 6, 2019, which is November 11, 2017. Hanukkahs that occur after November 11, 2017 but before Hanukkah 2020 include Hanukkah 2017 (December 12, 2017), Hanukkah 2018 (December 2, 2018), and Hanukkah 2019 (December 22, 2019). Using the same reasoning that we did earlier, the start of the 2,300 days of Daniel 8:14 can be calculated by working backward from Hanukkah.

August 26, 2011 is 2,300 days prior to Hanukkah 2017 (December 12, 2017)

August 15, 2012 is 2,300 days prior to Hanukkah 2018 (December 2, 2018)

September 4, 2013 is 2,300 days prior to Hanukkah 2019 (December 22, 2019)

Both August 26, 2011 and August 15, 2012 are history. They can be eliminated from further consideration because the “end to sacrifice” did not occur on either of those dates. The 2,300 days of Daniel 8:14 did not start on August 26, 2011 nor did they start on August 15, 2012.

That leaves December 22, 2019 as the only possible Hanukkah on which the 2,300 days of Daniel 8:14 can end.

Working backward 2,300 days from December 22, 2019, we arrive at September 4, 2013.

Starting with the “Seventy ‘sevens’” of Daniel 9:24, the only possible date for the “end to sacrifice” is September 4, 2013.

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294 Comments

  1. The Lord has told me the date of the abomination ….as well as other things to soon take place. The abomination is on 4/10/13. I pray that you will as well seek the Lord to know if this is His truth. It is. and the rapture is the 1335th day…where those are blessed that cometh and waitheth for this day. It is before the abomination. specificaly 75 days….that is when the “child” of Revelation12:5 will be caught up to the throne of God. The day or hour no man knows for the return of Jesus is at the END of the final week. The last day. when God cuts the 1260 days short. I pray that everyone will seek the Lord on this. I have a very heavy burden getting this information to any and all that will hear. Before you discredit this, study the scripture on just “when” the Lord sends His angels to gather the elect ( those of the church that got left and had to flee to the wilderness and realized they were lukewarm). The “when” is “after the tribuluation of those days” …he cuts that time short lest no man survive. The rapture is on January 25, 2013. Pray on this and seek the Lord. He WILL TELL YOU IF THIS IS TRUE.

  2. truth

    Debvaughn,

    I appreciate the ernestness of your reply, but to be honest with you, I am sad to see it.

    My objective in the “The End to Sacrifice” article is to show logically reasoned, possible pathways to the fulfillment of prophecy. Where I offer my opinion, belief, or interpretation, I have attempted to make it clear that I am NOT speaking as a prophet. These are just my opinions, beliefs, and interpretations.

    If you wish to leave comments here, please do me the courtesy of staying on point. (You did not even mention the topic of the article.)

    More, in my opinion, your comments may be more harmful than helpful. To me, they come across as a disjointed, breathless jumble. You give us no reason to believe what you say. You are alienating the very people you are trying to reach.

    If anyone remembers your above reply on January 26, 2013, your credibility will be zero. You will have destroyed your witness.

  3. tonytarr

    disjointed brearthless jumble???,…Truth imo, you are over-reacting,…….let it be, don’t you know that we are all zeros,…bottom line. really, i’m sure Deb can handle it but could you?

  4. No offense taken and I understand your being skeptical. The only ones that will remember it will be the ones left behind. Do you not think that the Lord will warn his own before he is to bring about what is to come in the final 3.5 years of this earth? He did in the days of Noah and in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. He is tryiing to do that now. I apologize for not posting under the specific article/comment you made. It was a mistake for sure and I do apologize. God Bless and look up for your redemption is near!

  5. truth

    Deb, Tony,

    I apologize. Please forgive me. Usually I am more tactful.

    I am just disappointed. I had hoped for reasoned discourse on the topic of Daniel 9:27.

    Blessings.

  6. tonytarr

    understandable, Truth

  7. Brenda Byers

    Truth, thank you for your post. you were really clear and precise in a step by step way. Either way seems to make logical sense. I appreciate the time you have put in to all this. Do you look on the end to sacrifice as the abomination of desolation?

  8. truth

    Brenda,

    Thank you.

    Some scripture interpreters believe that the two events occur simultaneously. Some believe that they are on opposite ends of a 1290 day time span. Check out several interpretations of Daniel 12:11 at biblegateway.com to see for yourself.

    I see the abolishment of sacrifice and the abomination of desolation as separate events separated by 1290 days. Ref. Daniel 12:11

  9. Scott

    Hello Truth,

    For what it is worth, Pastor Brian Roberts has posted yesterday that a new 7 year budget will be coming into play in the years between 2014-2020. I don’t know if you have considered this or if it would fit into your theory. I’ve only read half of your post and don’t know if you’ve considered this. Nice work though!

    Scott

    http://www.pastorbrianroberts.com/

    The European Union is currently negotiating a massive budget deal for the 2014-2020 cycle. The last one from 2007-2013 was thought by many, including myself, as a possible 70th week od Daniel because within the budget was a foreign policy element called the European Neighborhood Policy (ENP) with a midpoint review for Israel. It is in my opinion that was not the 70th week.

  10. truth

    Scott,

    I have thought about the ‘sevens’ in the Book of Daniel many over many months.

    In my opinion, the ‘sevens’ of Daniel 9:24 and the ‘seven’ of Daniel 9:27 are NOT the same sevens. The ‘sevens’ of Daniel 9:24 are Sabbatical sevens which are 7 x 7 years x 360 days per year = 17,640 days. The ‘seven’ of Daniel 9:27 is the seven years of the ENPI, January 1, 2007 to December 31, 2013.

    I am aware of studies that favor the ‘sevens’ of Daniel 9:24 as being 7 years x 360 days per year = 2,520 days. It seems reasonable to me that these 2,520 day ‘sevens’ which have been associated with a decree from Artaxerxes are correct. It is possible, however, that the 17,640 day ‘sevens’ are also correct.

    In my opinion, the smaller ‘sevens’ (2,520 days) pointed to the first coming of the Messiah while the larger ‘sevens’ (17,640 days) point to the second coming of the Messiah.

    The ‘seven’ of Daniel 9:27 are not required to be of the same quality as the ‘sevens’ of Daniel 9:24. In Daniel 9:27, the time duration is merely a ‘seven.’ Its length is not further qualified. It therefore leaves open the possibility that it is the seven of the ENPI.

    It is clear from the closing verses of the Book of Daniel that some prophecy was not to be revealed or understood until the time of the end.

    He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.” Ref. Daniel 12:9

    In my opinion, now is that time.

    We have for such a long time assumed that the ‘sevens’ of Daniel 9:24 and Daniel 9:27 are the same sevens that it is very difficult for us to even consider that they may be different from one another. In my case, I came to a new understanding of the sevens, separating them from one another, after the mid-point of the ENPI passed without incident.

    Recently, I prayerfully sought to determine if there might be another ‘seven’ still in the future that would fulfil the prophecies of Daniel 9:27. Oddly, I came to the conclusion that my question was wrong. It does not make any difference if there is another ‘seven.’ This conclusion was part of the reason I wrote this “The End to Sacrifice” article.

    The point of my article was to show that scripture points to the “end to sacrifice” as being September 4, 2013, even if we have no knowledge of the ENPI and no knowledge of Daniel 9:27.

    Another ‘seven’ would not change that date. The date for the “end to sacrifice” remains September 4, 2013.

  11. Truth,
    How would it affect your opinion and interpretation should Sept. 4-5, 2013 (Rosh ha Shanah) not see the end of sacrifice (which I am not sure what you see as being a sacrifice in that context), but the beginning of actual animal sacrifices on the temple mount?

  12. truth

    Connie,

    In past studies, I have noted that Rosh Hashanah 2013 falls on September 4, 2013, which coincides with Tishri 1 on the Hebrew calendar. This is very rare. The coincidence is scheduled to happen only four (4) times this century. (9/4/2013, 9/6/2021, 9/7/2048, and 9/9/2075)

    Tishri 1 has special significance on the Hebrew calendar. It is the head of the Hebrew new year. It has historical significance relevant to the sacrifice.

    From Ezra 3:6

    “On the first day of the seventh month they began to offer burnt offerings to the Lord, though the foundation of the Lord’s temple had not yet been laid.”

    The context of this passage is that the Hebrews have returned from Babylonian captivity. There had been no sacrifice on the Temple Mount for seventy (70) years.

    Now, after two millenia of no sacrifice on the Temple Mount, I think that it would be an ideal date to reinstitute animal sacrifice. Surely the Hebrew scholars will be aware of the return from Babylonian captivity and Ezra 3:6. They are not likely to settle on just any date to reinstitute animal sacrifice.

    First, however, the Israelis have to kick the Waqf and other Muslims off of the Temple Mount.

    I think that the Psalm 83 War will occur between now and September 4, 2013 and provide just such an opportunity.

    The Psalm 83 War, however, will have world wide repercussions. It will crash the already strained economies of the world. And guess who will get the blame. That’s right. The Jews. Again.

    Animal sacrifice will be abolished (banned) on September 4, 2013. The Daniel 9:27 prophecy does not say how this is accomplished, but I think that it may be a retaliatory move against Hebrews in general and Israel in particular.

    I speculate that the abolishment of animal sacrifice will manifest itself as a European Union ban on shechita/kosher slaughter methods (killing without stunning). It may not be stopped physically. Rather, it will probably be made illegal in Europe and in the European Neighbourhood and Partnership Instrument (ENPI) Mediterranean member states, which include Israel. It may even be an EU wide edict.

    The Europeans may use Article 13 of the ENPI to abolish shechita/kosher slaughter methods. Article 13 is titled “Adoption of special measures not provided for in the strategy papers or multi-annual indicative programmes.” It allows the “Commission” to unilaterally adopt measures that affect ENPI member states. The “Commission” is the European Commission, the European Union’s executive body, headquartered in Brussels, Belgium.

    The language of Article 13 does not provide for any voting or vetoes by ENPI member states. It merely has a provision wherein the Commission informs the ENPI member states of its decisions.

    I speculate that the Israelis will not comply with the abolishment decision.

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    So, after a long explanation, I expect that it is possible that two things will occur simultaneously.

    1) The Israelis will allow animal sacrifice to resume on the Temple Mount.

    2) The EU will decree that kosher slaughter methods are illegal.

    In my opinion, making kosher slaughter illegal on a wide scale will count as the “end to sacrifice.”

    To support this opinion, consider that Daniel 9:27 does not actually say “sacrifice” in its underlying original text. The word that is interpreted as “sacrifice” is the Hebrew word “zebach.”

    From http://lexicon.scripturetext.com/daniel/9-27.htm, here is the definition of zebach:

    “a slaughter, i.e. the flesh of an animal; by implication, a sacrifice”

    The text of Daniel 9:27 says “slaughter.” It does not say “sacrifice.” It is only by implication that we assume that it means “sacrifice.”

  13. Truth,

    Not trying to be difficult here, but I don’t know what Bible you are using, for my Bible says “sacrifice”, and your definition also has the word sacrifice in it, even if it is by “implication”. I think that the implication is warranted as the word “zebach” is used throughout the Law of Moses when referring to the various sacrifices, and it is the word translated as “sacrifice” the other times it occurs in Daniel. When sacrificed, the animals are slaughtered. That is the purpose of slaughtering them. It also includes the word “oblation” in that verse along with “sacrifice”. The word oblation is “minchah” which means a tribute or sacrificial offering (usually bloodless). Daniel was in prayer at the time of the evening oblations “minchah” in verse 21 when Gabriel appeared to him and this is the same word. So the offering of tributes or sacrifices (these being the bloodless ones) is coupled with the word “zebach” in the same verse (27) implying that there are both slaughtered animals and bloodless sacrifices or oblations being offered that will be stopped in the midst of the “week” when there will be an abomination that makes desolate.

    That is further verified in Daniel 12:11 where it says, ” And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.” This clearly links the two subjects as being one event, as it does not say from this “to” that, but from this “and” that, which qualifies both as one event, being followed by 1290 days, which brings us to the end of the wrath of God. As I see the abomination occurring in the spring (for I agree that the 1335th day ends on Hanukkah), and I see the sacrifices ending at the time the abomination is set up, according to this verse, I respectfully have to disagree with your interpretation as to what the end of sacrifices means. I think there will be animal sacrifices that will most likely begin on Rosh haShanah (not necessarily this one, but I agree that this one is the best candidate) and continue until they are stopped by the beast at the abomination, which I see as being another 2 1/2 years or so after the sacrifices begin (for I see in Scripture a seven year period which begins in the late fall/early winter followed by the sacrifices starting on the following fall which makes for the 2 1/2 years after they start until the abomination- totaling 3 1/2 years in all from the beginning of the seven years until the mid-point abomination.)

    This would again seem to be verified by Christ when He is giving the Olivet Discourse in Matthew and we are told ” When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)”. The disciples and all the listeners would understand the reference to the abomination standing in the holy place in the book of Daniel being that act of Antiochus Epiphanes which is mentioned in Daniel 11:31 ” And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.” This is also a double prophecy about both A.E. and the antichrist. Christ was referencing this event and his disciples understood it to be this event to which he was referring, for this was a big deal in their history (hence Hanukkah). So now we look to that event and we know what happened historically. Antiochus stopped the sacrifices and oblations, slaughtered a pig, and set up a statue of Zeus. We are told by Christ to reference this event as a foreshadow of the end times abomination. All of these verses together would point to the sacrificial system being re-instituted then stopped by the beast. And we are further told in 2 Thess. and Rev. 13 that the beast will sit in the temple claiming to be God and that an image will be set up for people worship, just as Zeus was set up for people to worship. 2 Thess. 2:4 ” Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” Rev. 13:15 ” And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.” A.E. was a sort of dress rehearsal for the beast’s actions, according to Christ.

    No offense, for naturally you are perfectly entitled to your own opinion, but from what I am reading, it appears to me that you seem to be basing your interpretation of the Scriptures on what you see going on with man’s laws and then making the Scriptures fit what you see. My preference is to just take God’s Word at literal face value and figure He will make things work out to fit His Word, regardless of what man may be trying to do, even if things may have to change drastically for that to happen.

  14. Truth,
    One other interesting thing I forgot to mention. From Scripture I believe the beast is a person inhabited by an evil entity from the abyss, and the Scriptures teach that he will be “wounded to death” and have “his deadly wound healed”. I think this is because Satan likes to copycat and mock whatever God does and this is a mockery of Christ’s death and resurrection. Interestingly, if the 70th week of Daniel were to start this December and end at Hanukkah on 2019, if we go backwards 1335 days from that Hanukkah to the abomination, we find the abomination is four days after Passover. Interestingly if the beast were going to do a three day and night imitation of Christ in the grave, the timing would allow him to die on Passover, rise three days later, and then declare himself God, stop the sacrifices and desolate the temple the day after his so-called resurrection. Of course this happening in this time period is speculation at this point, but the timing of all this, the 2300 days beginning at Rosh haShanah, the abomination four days after Passover, and it all ending on Hanukkah can only happen starting in this particular seven year period of 2012-2019. Also the 1260th day would fall on Yom Kippur, which is supposed to be the feast celebrating the Day of the Lord and the resurrection. It is hard to ignore the coincidence.

  15. Mr Baldy

    Hi Truth…..

    Great comments!

    Something that you have written really caught my attention. You stated this:

    “We have for such a long time assumed that the ‘sevens’ of Daniel 9:24 and Daniel 9:27 are the same sevens that it is very difficult for us to even consider that they may be different from one another. In my case, I came to a new understanding of the sevens, separating them from one another, after the mid-point of the ENPI passed without incident.

    Recently, I prayerfully sought to determine if there might be another ‘seven’ still in the future that would fulfil the prophecies of Daniel 9:27. Oddly, I came to the conclusion that my question was wrong. It does not make any difference if there is another ‘seven.’ This conclusion was part of the reason I wrote this “The End to Sacrifice” article.”

    I would just like to comment on a couple of points you make here. First, as many are viewing the specific 7 year time frames of the ENP(I), and attempting to apply this to what Daniel 9:27 is saying. I believe that this may be in error. I’ve taken the statement you’ve made: “It does not make any difference if there is another ‘seven’” – You are absolutely correct, “IF” this is applied to the ENP(I). Scripture states that he, (Antichrist) will confirm a Covenant with Many for one week. Well, if the European Neighbourhood Policy is it, then it has already “confirmed” the 1995 Barcelona Process. Any additional 7 year periods are pretty much pointless – as they are only budgetary or financial means in which this Covenant with Many is being carried out. The Covenant is already there.

    I don’t think that we can view a specific “mid-point” of any given 7 year time frame, and point out what will actually happen, until after it has passed. Hindsight is always 20/20, and I’m not so sure that we have full knowledge of what “The End to Sacrifice” actually is. Not to mention, Jesus pointed to the AOD. Question is how will we recognize it, or will we recognize it? Will we recognize the time that Jesus specifically mentioned, or will we all be looking for a re-built temple; animals being sacrificed; or a 7 year Covenant to be signed by a charismatic leader? So for those who are reading this…….please think about all these things as well.

    I’m personally not looking for a new 7 year covenant to appear. I believe that the European Neighbourhood Policy is it – and this is to include any future 7 year budgetary time periods that come with it; after all, it is not the 7 year time period that is confirmed, but the Covenant with Many itself. The European Neighbourhood Policy is literally a true Covenant with Many people. It’s very origin is derived from European Nations from the old Roman Empire – it’s really fascinating how all this stuff is working. Just remember how it all came together; how a man rose after 10 European Nations were established; how he being a Foreign Policy leader was responsible for chairing the process that put it all together; and remember how Scripture indicates that he must remain hidden until his proper time. People are very quick to jettison things to the side when they don’t pan out the way that they think they should – only to find out later that they missed the entire point, or purpose.

    Truth you also make an excellent point about Daniel 9:24 perhaps being different from Daniel 9:27. There are still very many things for us all to consider. At this juncture, I’m not ready to completely rule anything out, because I don’t think that we honestly can.

    In closing……I hope that I haven’t offended anyone, this is all of course just my very humble opinion.

  16. Mr Baldy

    Hi Connie,

    We actually posted within minutes of each other, so we were at our replies at the same time. I want to say that I agree with a lot that you have said, but the whole Revelation 13 thing you have mentioned with the statue and tying it up with 2 Thessalonians is a common error that many have made when describing something symbolic to something literal. Not to mention, these two very separate events may not be related, in describing the AOD. The AOD will be something that “stands” in the Holy Place.

    We have some different schools of thoughts concerning the coming man of sin, and what he will actually do. Taking a seat in the temple, “displaying” himself; or “proclaiming” himself as God is entirely different from “setting” up an image for everyone to worship – which Scripture gives absolutely no indicator that the “setting” up of the image in Revelation 13 is actually done. It only states that those who dwell on earth will “make” an image to be worshiped. And we have no ideal if this is literal or symbolic – I personally believe it’s the latter. So I have to respectfully disagree with you.

    I hate to say it, but the “Left Behind” series has really led many to “read into” Scripture – perhaps taking things that are entirely symbolic, and making them literal. If one were to read Revelation 13, and take it all literally, well it would simply come across as a complete fairy tale.

  17. andre' leibee

    i think, somewhat like you mr baldy, that it might be necessary that some things only have to be “on the table” (in the works) to fulfill the Scripture in some of the prophetic timelines. the plans of men that Scripture says to look for-whether still out there a ways in the process or soon to be actually coming to fruition-still make it wrong that the sacred things of God-jerusalem and temple mount-are treated as mere political capital-as if theirs to bargain with–to give or take away at will (and therefore a “burdensome stone”). the whole road map for peace and the current 7 year plan still in effect with israel is enough to qualify in my mind because it was brokered by the right players-the “roman beast” and israel. granted israel is ready to build a temple-possibly israel is going to do what they feel they must to get at least a portion of temple mount and set up something for use toward that end to have the jewish presence there. is rev 11:1-2 the temple mount carved up by the powers that be (as an “international” plot of ground) but will proveto be all political gaming (by one who speaks peace but war against the jews is in his heart?) war (psalm 83 i think) is becoming real for israel and no longer rumor–everything is going to get very sideways-i think somewhere early in the next year perhaps (we know God will defend israel big time) that will touch off a firestorm of hatred from the whole world and further and sharply plunge the whole world economy into chaos–paving the way for the man of sin to enter the scene and pull his “dirty” on israel. all speculation on my part-true-but with the Scriptures routinely setting up the right players and scenarios, it does seem plausible that the timeframe is soon. we stay tuned and are watching carefully what twists and turns are coming about and there may be plenty of those-seeming false starts-then bang!-prophecy commands our attention again with it’s sheer breath-taking accuracy. we know-we trust-that God is going to do these things in the timeframe that fits His plan and not ours-we love that about Him now don’t we? i do not mind reading all the speculations and reading the opinions but just really looking out for the next thing(s) that Scripture nails on the head. the way things are going with the whole political world ramping up the “need” for the “superman” leader (from hell) it all looks like-more than just forms and shadows-but tangible actual people and events we are going to recognize and then some things that seem to come from out of nowhere too-that’s the mystery part that God reserves for Himself. all i can think of is wow wow wow what a time to be alive! thanks everyone for your input–prayerful and careful consideration of Scripture benefits us all.

  18. Mr. Baldy,
    Just for the record, I have never read the Left Behind series, I hold it in disgust. Nor am I pre-trib, I am last trump. I simply read the Scriptures and yes I take them as literally as possible. I do not subscribe to any eschatological theory except that which came from a straightforward reading letting Scripture define its own terms, taking things in context, taking things chronologically, and letting God explain His symbolism, which He always does. I try not to “read into” Scripture which is why I have come to the beliefs that I have. I think taking things symbolically when God probably did not mean for them to be taken that way is what leads to many of the erroneous theories that abound. God would want us to all understand what He has written, but agreement from so many different people can only come when everyone takes it at face value. Spiritualizing will always bring multitudes of interpretations, and since we are told that prophecy is not for private interpretation I believe the only way that God could make that possible was for us to take it as literally as is possible. Otherwise it can mean anything you want it to mean. I think God was trying to be as explicit and simple as possible, as we are so far beneath His intelligence, so that is the way I read Him. Until I did that, all of this eschatology seemed very obtuse and complex. When I decided to take God at His word and not listen to the first lie of Satan which basically was “Did God really mean what He said?”, I suddenly found that everything was very understandable and that it fit together very beautifully. I no longer needed to try to force fit things, or spiritualize things, or ignore verses, nor were there contradictions.

    Revelation may sound like a fairy tale to you if taken literally, but those few things that are symbolic, God explains either there or in other parts of Scripture, and the other things that sound so incredible should be taken literally, for what is going to happen is going to be beyond any experience that the people of this world have ever known, and will be more frightening than anyone can imagine. Few Christians will survive to be raptured, and only a small percentage of the rest of the world will survive to go into the millennium. Most Christians are destined to martyrdom.

    Of course you can disagree with me. I fully expect that everyone will. I hold a completely different view from everyone here. Previous postings on this site proved that, but I decided to post again so that if things come to pass differently from what you expect, you at least have a different point of view in the back of your mind that may come in handy.

  19. Truth

    Connie,

    Thank you for your comments. I need some time to digest them and try out your timings on my spreadsheet.

    I expect get back to you here with a reasoned response within a few days.

    Blessings.

  20. Mr Baldy

    Connie, and all…… first I want to say that I don’t mean to be offensive, if I have come across that way. But I want to be clear on a few things. There are parts of the Book of Revelation that must be taken literally – and there are parts that are clearly symbolic. A man receiving a literal mortal wound to the head, and coming back to life has a symbolic meaning to me, just as a beast coming up out of the sea having ten horns, and seven heads – and even making an image talk. These things absolutely cannot be literal.

    The point that I am attempting to make is so many people want to nail down dates, compare them to Jewish feasts; look for events; certain signs and evidence that they can know the exact timing of the Return of Christ. Well, Scripture tells us over and over again that we don’t know the hour of His Return. We will know the general time frame, by prayerfully examining the evidence, but to say that a certain event will happen a certain way, and at a certain time – well…….we just don’t know.

    We also have theologians, teachers, and book authors attempting to describe how the Rapture will occur, thus “reading into” Scripture, and placing their own twists to it. While all of this is fun, we have some who do it for money; and for pride in order to appear to be intelligent, and to be able to say in their hearts: “I told you so”; and last but not least, for the attention – all these things really bother me. There are two things I know for sure: Christ will come at a time we think not, and He will come after the Tribulation of those days to gather us unto Himself – and believe me, according to Scripture even in those days it will appear to be business as usual to some. So how anyone will be able to nail down an exact date of His Return is beyond me.

  21. Mr BOldy you said – ” While all of this is fun, we have some who do it for money; and for pride in order to appear to be intelligent, and to be able to say in their hearts: “I told you so”; and last but not least, for the attention – all these things really bother me.”

    There is not much that get’s by you Mr B. Iron sharpens iron.

    Phl 2:3 — Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

    Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus…..

    I love that :)

  22. Random comment to all,

    It would seem once again that just because I disagree and have the audacity to share my view that I am being called prideful and arrogant. And here I thought that this site was so PROUD of their outpouring of love to everyone. I guess love only is given out if one is in the right camp.

    Mr. Baldy,
    I agree that some parts of Revelation must be taken symbolically, but as mentioned before, I have found that God always explains His symbolism, either in the passage itself or somewhere else in Scripture. As for not believing that someone could receive a mortal wound and live, I believe it has been done before. God does tell us that He will send a delusion and what better delusion could there be?

    As for setting dates, I was not saying that these things will happen as hypothesized, and I thought I made that clear, I am simply saying that the timing is very coincidental, which is an entirely different thing. As for linking these events to the feasts, could it be that you are unaware that these feasts were given by God for the express purpose of foreshadowing these events? I thought that this was very evident from Christ fulfilling the spring feasts of Passover when He became the Paschal Lamb, and when He fulfilled the Feast of Firstfruits when He arose from the dead on the Sunday following the Sabbath after Passover, and the Holy Spirit fulfilled the Feast of Shavuot or Pentecost when He came. Likewise the fall feasts are going to be fulfilled by His Second Coming. Rosh haShanah is about the crowning of the King. Yom Kippur is about the resurrection and God’s judgment being poured out. We may not know the exact day or hour, but we are told that we should certainly know the season, both meaning that the time is near, and we know it will be in the autumn, and that we should not be surprised for we are told He will NOT come as a thief in the night to us.

    If people here want to believe my saying this is trying to be pseudo-intelligent, or prideful, or arrogant, and just sharing for the purpose of being able to say I told you so, well I am sorry you take that view. My objective was to offer an alternative view that may possibly be helpful if your view does not come to pass and you need to rethink things. If this is how you have judged me, then you are welcome to your opinions. I figured that posting again would bring these accusations, but I felt led of God to share just once more. I promise, I am done. I will not be sharing again.

  23. tonytarr

    i really think highly of Andre’s honesty mixed with kindness way of communicating. I also think that losing Connie on this site is a hugh loss,…and for example her and Truth were just getting going. Seems to me a misunderstanding took place. It happens here, there and everywhere. Perhaps it can be repaired, mended,welded back and return even stronger than before,……after all, we’re Christians. Just me, tony, loaded with problems of my own, right here on the homefront,………………………PRAISE GOD, thru HIM, i can handle it!

  24. Truth

    Connie,

    Thank you for being patient with me. There was a great deal of detail to absorb.

    I am part way through my analysis of your understanding of the timing of upcoming prophetic events. It has taken me several hours to pull the time based details from your comments and to put them into chronological order. I want to make absolutely sure that I get them right before continuing my analysis.

    The following list is my understanding of the end-times prophetic chronology from your point of view. Please forgive me if I have gotten any of it wrong. I had to guess what you meant in a few places.

    Please correct me where I am wrong.

    1. There is a future seven year period which begins in the late fall/early winter followed by sacrifices starting the following fall on Rosh haShanah

    2. Sacrifice starts on September 4, 2013

    3. The 2300 days of Daniel 8:11-14 begin on Rosh haShanah, September 4, 2013

    4. Sacrifice is stopped in the midst of the “week” coincident with the AOD, ref. Daniel 12:11

    5. The stopping of the sacrifice and the AOD occur simultaneously in the spring

    6. Two and one-half years after sacrifices begin, the beast stops the sacrifice at the AOD at the mid-point of the seven year period

    7. The AOD may occur four days after Passover

    8. From the mid-point of the seven year period, the 1260th day falls on Yom Kippur

    9. From the mid-point of the seven year period, the wrath of God ends at the end of the 1290 days of Daniel 12:11

    10. From the mid-point of the seven year period, the AOD plus 1335 days is Hanukkah, at which point the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 are complete

    Thank you.

    Once I have confirmations and/or corrections from you, my intention is to overlay your timings onto the timings I have laid out in my spreadsheet.

    My aim, like yours, is to take scripture as literally as possible, chronologically, in context, looking for things to fit without contradictions.

    I look forward to your reply.

  25. It has nothing to do with having a “alternative view” but the spirit in which it is shared.There is a big difference and yes the Lord weighs the hearts and sees the very intentions of such.

    This I do know, pride get’s easily offended.Being “sensitive” is self-love and a defiant refusal to fully submit all the “I”s to the Lord . Let’s count all the references to ” I” and allow the Holy Spirit to show us who this is really all about!!

    Rom 12:16 — Be of the same mind one toward another.

    Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate.

    Be not wise in your own conceits.

  26. Mr Baldy

    Connie,

    I certainly don’t want to distract from anything that you have presented – nor do I want to discourage Truth, and what he is bringing to the table. I hope that you both haven’t accepted it that way.

    You are correct when you say that I am unaware that certain feasts were given by God for the express purpose of foreshadowing these events. I’m just not so sure about that, not that it isn’t true or anything – as I have been looking at His Return, and the examples that He gave, in a very literal sense, and not trying to relate feasts into what He was saying.

    I believe that the only example Jesus gave remotely close in relating to His Coming by way of “foreshadowing”, was the A0D. And in my interpretation, the example Jesus gave wasn’t necessarily saying that it would be by way of “foreshadowing”, as He referred us to the A0D “spoken” through the Prophet Daniel. In my very humble opinion, it is not the exact same way – but two examples of A0D’s. As we know, Antiochus Epiphanes literally fulfilled this prophecy – and this is to include the 2,300 days mentioned in Daniel 8. The coming Antichrist may or may not commit the A0D. The meaning of the A0D mentions that the reader have “understanding’. So I’m not willing to make a blanket statement that the coming Antichrist will commit the A0D. I further believe that this may be a mistake that many are making.

    What we know about the coming A0D is that it will “stand”; or it will be set up in the “holy place”. So to read anything more into that, I believe could be a mistake. Not to mention, the examples that you provided in Revelation 13, and 2 Thessalonians are not compatible. Nor do either of these examples refer to the A0D.

    Lets look at both examples: 1) The Image that is created (Revelation 13) is actually made by the people of the earth. This is symbolic, as it does not refer to it being “set up” or “standing” anywhere. This possibly refers to a Beast System or Government, and the people of the earth will be required to worship this Beast System that is set up by the power of Satan through the people – and to take it’s Mark; in order to live, or maintain a living, eat, have jobs, etc… 2) The coming Antichrist taking a “seat” in the temple (2 Thessalonians) also cannot be the A0D – as this example given when he displays himself as God, he is actually taking a “seat” in the temple of God. This is literal in my opinion, as Paul mentions this, but he never refers to this as the A0D or that the coming Antichrist “stands”.

    So very much has been “read into” Scripture. So if you are truly taking things from a literal standpoint – then Scripture demands that we go back to the drawing table in order to discover what the A0D may actually be.

  27. Truth

    Connie,

    I am assuming that with no word from you by now, I will not be hearing from you. Here is the reasoned response I promised you in an earlier posting. I will do my best to defend your position.

    We begin with my understanding of Connie’s purpose in posting comments on this article.

    PURPOSE

    The are many schools of thought on how end-time prophecies will come to pass. If our individual understandings do not match up with reality as it begins to unfold in front of us, we should not dispair. We must remember that we are not diety. We cannot see the future. We will have to admit that our understandings were flawed. We should take the time to be aware of plausible understandings different than our own so that we have alternatives to consider. By doing this, we will protect ourselves from the delusions that are sure to be part of end-times events. We will know what is reasonable and what is not reasonable.

    Now for my understanding of Connie’s thinking on end-times prophecies.

    Please note that I have extracted details from Connie’s comments from the past few days. In some cases, the extracted wordings are exact. In other cases, I have modified them slightly to improve readability and understandability. In each case, I have tried to grasp the spirit and intent of Connie’s comments. I start with the premise that Hanukkah, December 22, 2019 is the end of the 2,300 days of Daniel 8:14 and that it is the last event before the start of the Millenial Kingdom.

    My commentary (Truth’s commentary) follows each point in square brackets.

    CHRONOLOGICAL SUMMARY

    1. There is a future seven year period which begins in the late fall/early winter followed by sacrifices starting the following fall on Rosh haShanah

    [This is possible. Working backward 7 years x 360 days/year = 2,520 days from Hanukkah, December 22, 2019 yields January 27, 2013. There is still time for seven 360 day years that could be the 'seven' of Daniel 9:27.]

    2. Sacrifice starts on September 4, 2013

    [I believe that this is possible. It would certainly be the ideal day for it. September 4, 2013 is Tishri 1, the first day of the seventh Hebrew month and also a Rosh Hashanah. Ezra 3:6 gives us scriptural precedence for restarting animal sacrifice on this day, even though there may be no temple in which to make the sacrifice.

    The wording of Daniel 8:11-14 does not say when the sacrifice begins. It is possible that the 2,300 days associated with this scripture encompasses a period of time where sacrifice is on-going before it is stopped.]

    3. The 2,300 days of Daniel 8:11-14 begin on Rosh haShanah, September 4, 2013

    [I believe that this is true. It is a key point of the "The End to Sacrifice" article I wrote. In my opinion, the 2,300 days of Daniel 8:11-14 begin on Rosh Hashanah, September 4, 2013 and end on Hanukkah, December 22, 2019.]

    4. Sacrifice is stopped in the midst of the “week” coincident with the Abomination of Desolation (AOD), ref. Daniel 12:11

    [This is plausible. Daniel 9:27 tells us that sacrifice is stopped in the midst of the "week". More, Daniel 12:11 can and has been interpreted to mean that the stopping of the sacrifice and the AOD happen at the same time. By inference from other comments Connie made, I have come to understand that she sees that the mid-point of the 'seven' could be April 26, 2016.]

    5. The stopping of the sacrifice and the AOD occur simultaneously in the spring

    [This is plausible. See the previous point.]

    6. Two and one-half years after sacrifices begin, the beast stops the sacrifice at the AOD at the mid-point of the seven year period

    [This is plausible. If sacrifices begin on September 4, 2013 and the mid-point of the 'seven' is April 26, 2016, the time difference is 965 days, which is just a little more than 2 1/2 years.]

    7. The AOD may occur four days after Passover

    [This is plausible. April 26, 2016 is four (4) days after the start of Passover 2016]

    8. From the mid-point of the seven year period, the 1260th day falls on Yom Kippur

    [If the mid-point of the 'seven' is April 26, 2016, then 1,260 days later is Yom Kippur, October 8, 2019.]

    9. From the mid-point of the seven year period, the wrath of God ends at the end of the 1290 days of Daniel 12:11

    [If the mid-point of the 'seven' is April 26, 2016, then 1,290 days later is Yom Kippur plus thirty (30) days which is November 7, 2019. This is the date that I believe will be Armageddon, the culmination of the Wrath of Yahuah.]

    10. From the mid-point of the seven year period, the AOD plus 1335 days is Hanukkah, at which point the 2300 days of Daniel 8:14 are complete

    [If the mid-point of the 'seven' is April 26, 2016, then 1,335 days later is Hanukkah, December 22, 2019.]

    CONSEQUENCES

    Changing the date for the stopping of the sacrifice affects my calculations for the length of The Great Tribulation. If Connie is right, then The Great Tribulation begins on April 26, 2016. According to the assumptions I have used in my prophecy spreadsheet, this increases the length of The Great Tribulation by 325 days to a total estimated length of 866 days.

  28. Lafreak

    Truth, Awesome post as always :)
    Also guys check this out, Jamie Fox calls Obama “lord and savior” at a music award event.
    You know i always will believe the AC will come from Europe but people running around staying stuff like Fox is saying is not a good thing.

  29. Truth

    Okay everyone,

    Now this gets really strange.

    EU Budget talks for the seven year budget for 2014 to 2020 collapsed four days ago. The EU Budget includes funding for all things EU, including the ENPI, which includes Israel.

    A second EU Budget summit is to be rescheduled for January, 2013. As far as I can tell, after numerous online searches, the exact summit date has not yet been set.

    Daniel 9:27 says:

    “He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’”

    If the EU 2014-2020 Budget (7 years) is confirmed in late January, it would be a confirmation of a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ That would give us a new ‘seven’ to consider that is completely separate from the ‘seven’ of the ENPI.

    I do not know if the following is signigicant, but if the budget is affirmed as of January 27, 2013, then that affirmation would be exactly 7 years x 360 days/year = 2,520 days prior to Hanukkah, December 22, 2019.

    I believe, however, that the fact that it would be a ‘seven’ is all that counts. It might give us a new ‘seven’ within which to look for a stopping of the sacrifice.

    I have not further analyzed this information. I would appreciate your comments to help us all digest this news in the light of end-times prophecy.

    Blessings.

  30. andre' leibee

    that is a good find truth. you have given us much to consider. i do wonder though, if the current 7 is enough and another 7 is just a politically moot point because if the aod (ac comes out from the shadows) is something to happen in the next year (early 2013?) there would only be 42 months left for his “short time”-not 7 years still out. i do not read that the 7 year agreement is the actual 70th week only that there has to have been one (i think the “shemita’s” are a better clue) to look for in a countdown (though i can certainly have misunderstood what Scripture is saying regarding that). i personally think it is the aod that all of the current saber-rattling is going to lead to but of course this is mere speculation at this point. waiting on Scripture and not to lean on my own understanding is what i know i must keep in mind. we do know for certain what direction all the headlines are heading—they will fulfill prophecy to the “t”. coming up soon? the 31/2 yrs-or-7 yrs left—seems that it would need to be one or the other as things are ramping up. won’t be too long and we will know……………………….(and i do appreciate everyone’s take on things–we are all in this together!)

  31. tonytarr

    Hi Truth,…just wanting to point out that as far as i can tell Connie never said dogmatic-ly that april 26th is the AoD but rather she seems to be hypothesizing seeing that the timeline gives rise to some very interesting unusual coincidences. God in Heaven is this ever interesting and mind blowing. my inner spirit is kickin’ around like john was kickin’ in elizabeth’s belly when mary showed up w/ Jesus inside! me and my dog are readyin’ for the Jesus. its gonna werk out, like Andre’ said,…. to the “t”! Thanks Andre’,…we are all in this together.////\\\\ this whole thing is very romantic, i mean BRIDE n BRIDEGROOM!,…this is LOVE! me and my dog love LOVE!,…to the “t”! i like how Shelby calls me , “tt”! She’s like, Hi tt, guess what, i got my Joy back! Now that is beautiful

  32. Shelby

    A friend just told me last week that if I see “777″ this is a strong warning that time is drawing to a close and we are at the end of the age.

    When I looked at this page…it showed “this page has been shared on twitter “777″ times”. It stood out like a sore thumb.

    http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/painting-depicts-obama-as-crucified-christ.html

  33. Lafreak

    There is still the question regarding if Jesus 3.5 year ministry is the first half of the 70th week and the AC 3.5 years is the 2nd half which happens in the midst of a 7 year covenant.. I still think up until the end of next year we cant ride off the ENPI. :)

  34. James1:12

    Hi Truth, there is plenty of information on the net regarding the next 7 year Multi Annual Financial Framework (MAFF) also know as Framework Program 8 (FP8) and “Horizon 2020.
    Here’s alink to a thread on Fulfilled Prophecy where I discus the possibility. http://www.fulfilledprophecy.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=57343&p=494339&hilit=HORIZON+2020#p494339

  35. Truth

    To all,

    In the interest of completing the analysis of a timeline that has the sacrifice stop on April 26, 2016, I have reworked a version of the “Truth” spreadsheet (version 4.3.1) to show how everything fits using new assumptions. You will then be able to use it to compare and contrast the ENPI ‘seven’ version with this new version for yourselves.

    I will ask Vic to include it in the downloads section of UnsealedProphecy after I make this posting.

    The new assumptions include:

    1) Sacrifice starts on September 4, 2013.
    2) There is a future ‘seven’ to come.
    3) The stopping of the sacrifice and the Abomination of Desolation occur together on April 26, 2016.
    4) The ENPI is set aside from consideration.

    Once you have access to the new spreadsheet (version 4.3.1), I would appreciate feedback if you find anything contradictory to scripture or factually incorrect.

    Thank you.

    Blessings.

  36. tonytarr

    i reckon for us Shelby, thats what they call, ” Lucky 7 “! kool as heck, for sure. i’m about to go view the link you sent. you and me are gonna be friends in heaven, some day

  37. tony tarr

    i can’t help but think that pics like that of obama like Jesus are nuthin but a set up. that guy is being used to play w/ ou heads. he ain’t the real ac,….hes a fake to prepare the world and maybe even some believers to be fooled by the actual ac who will come to rescue our global system, as w/ obama all hell and chaos will break out setting the stage for the true liar.////\\\\ just postulating

  38. andre' leibee

    found this article to post with the current topic on this thread. all these issues are going to come up in a big way.–perhaps going to lead up to something that will involve jewish sacrifice at some point – http://www.jewishpress.com/news/polish-court-rules-against-ritual-slaughter/2012/11/27/

  39. andre' leibee

    the world wants to get in on carving up israel……(all under the guise of “peace and safety”) — will they get this done? —
    http://news.yahoo.com/u-n-set-implicit-recognition-palestinian-state-despite-060136202.html

  40. God’s Word will not return void, right my sis?

    Something evil cometh our way :(

    Road Map to peace- 30/3/2003 warning scripture – Isaiah – Chapter 47

    ….upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke.

    It’s like the glory of the Lord has departed – Ichabod?

  41. andre' leibee

    amen Hisown. evil is coming like high tide. read in my quiet time this morning: the mystery of iniquity doth already work……1 thess 5:3 says: for when they shall say peace and safety; then sudden destruction comes upon them……those days are fast approaching now. supposedly “peace and safety” can come to the middle east (and the world) when the “threat” of occuping israel is removed. the world really looks to be jumping on this bandwagon. i do believe that these headlines are telling us that the stage is set for war–no longer rumors. the wars that Jesus spoke of in matt 24–the beginning of sorrows He called it….leading to the aod with the mystery man of iniquity taking his place to order a tsunami of destruction. but we who know Jesus are not of this world….by His Strength we stand. it is through many tribulations that we must enter the kingdom of God the Bible says in acts. we are about to enter into the dark night————–but our Joy will come in the morning………………i stake claim for myself and you too that in your personal life you are awakened with Joy every morning Hisown–Resting in being His own–no matter what a day or night brings. His mercies are new every morning. i pray for justasheep and his circumstances too—Peace Jesus says He gives to us for He has overcome the world. for all of you my brothers and sisters-whoever and wherever you are–Jesus loves you–each and every one. (and thank you and bless you brother vic for maintaining this site-a place of encouragement-in spite of the world).

  42. Hi Andre, can you explain to me your post of November 28? I am sorry ( I am Dutch) so I am trying hard to understand all that is written..

  43. Mr Baldy

    Andrea thanks for the very, very encourging words! Often such words as you have mentioned are exactly what I have needed. You are a very dear sister in Christ, and may God continue to bless you with wisdom, and encourgement.

  44. Mr Baldy

    Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

    I know that there are many opinions as it relates to the Return of Christ; our gathering unto Him; and the coming tribulation that is very very near. I just want to mention specifically that many different opinions have come out concerning the coming Antichrist, his alleged claim to deity, and how the whole World will accept him as a “false god”.

    Many men have made millions by relating information based on their interpretations of Scripture to include date setting, who the coming Antichrist is, and how the coming tribulation period will be divided, or separated by the Rapture of the Church – and just a whole bunch of things that are not Scriptural, and is only information that has been “read into” by way of Scripture or whatever extra biblical information that they have received.

    Please just remember this: God is NOT the Author of confusion. When reading and interpreting Scripture, just remember that if it doesn’t say a certain thing, or word, event, or happening – however it may be described in a certain way; then lets look at it for what it is saying – then ask God for understanding.

    There is way too much deception; bad theology; things that tie into controversial issues; things that give the Antichrist way too much deity like powers and such; Israel as a Nation verses Israel as a Church; date setting and so much foolishness, that if it were possible, it would fool the Elect. Someday the unbeliever will understand why we have sold out our entire life to Him.

    Stay focused on Christ – as He and He ALONE, our belief, trust, and total submission to Him and in Him is what will get us to Heaven.

  45. andre' leibee

    hello dear bro mathieu. (and thank you mr baldy-we sure are glad for you around here) i assume you mean the one about the 7 year agreement. the one that we have been watching since 2007-that mr solana and his “baby” the eu (and weu at that time)-the roman beast system-put together to get israel under their yoke–daniel 9:27. however i do not believe it necessarily has to be the 7–but one of them–because i believe there are too many things in the timeline fulfilling prophecy that overlap/parallel. the shemitas (like a record of debt) are about 7′s too. based on Scripture that was the every 7 years that israel disobeyed God in not honoring Him through His sabbaths. the most recent shemita is 2008 through 2015. i have wondered–my own speculation–if there is something to happen in the “midst” of that 7 year progression. the shemitas are a good study mathieu if you find yourself interested to know more but that is part of what i am looking at for understanding the remaining 70th week-that i personally believe we are already in. (and of course i can be-may be wrong) not another 7 years outstanding. (and as another parallel-a left over 3 1/2 when Jesus was “cut off” ?). all of God’s timing(s) will converge. (if) the ac kicks off his “reign” (and if powerful-still powerful-mr most award-winning, mr flatterer, mr diplomat extraordinaire, mr expert on every everything, solana is to fill that role i will not be surprised-but we will see). (if) next year (with the way the middle east wars of Scripture (ps 83 and isaiah 17 fits somewhere in that too) then the “short time”-the 42 months may soon begin. i think it possible that the aod is coming up early next year based on the current state of the relationship of israel and the world-the powers that be say they do but in reality do not-want “peace and safety” for israel. we know the devil is doing his level best to take the land of God away from His people entirely who are the lone inheriters of that land-to chop it up and make it a “desolation” because they (jews) are not in it to live as God Spoke that they should be (and by His Word will be)-makes this is a very critical hour in this world…..Jesus said we would have tribulation–but the great tribulation is the last half of that last 7 and i think we may be coming to that part….(how long the church is here once that begins i am unsure of-that part is what God will give us at the very least a heads-up about i believe so we must keep “oil” (of the Holy Spirit) in our lamps burning bright)-i know we-the true church and bride of Christ are not appointed unto wrath–the Wrath God will bring to His enemies–but know there will be persecution we will experience from ac (in God we will endure). the persecution of the church (and israel) is getting worse every day. the “falling away” is in full swing {then ac is revealed in 2 thess}-to me it looks like a lot matches up to the Bible prophecy here. the political world and it’s treatment of israel-the economic scene worldwide-the apostate church-the readiness by the world for a leader–one person to command it all-the Biblical wars about to come to fruition-the agreement w/israel that is in place and the timing of ancient shemita laws to finish-add to that blood moons on high holy days of the jews-signs in the heavens–america fulfilling it’s “babylon” role-jerusalem/temple mount and all the issues surrounding that—many many things are making me think that the whole great tribulation scene is coming into focus. i say sooner rather than later. anyway that is how i’m looking at all these happenings to see what Scripture makes of them. i am open to know much better and certainly do not think i have this figured out-by no means! we pray-we wait-we watch…….i have trouble expressing myself mathieu-not always very clear-please forgive that-but i hope i communicated enough to answer some of what you asked. love to you in Jesus’ Name brother in a faraway place, but close to our hearts! you are a blessing!

  46. tonytarr

    you have got to admit, if your truthful. that in spite of the seriousness of it all, that its also very entertaining to try and piece this thing together. at least i think so. what will be, will be. With all this in mind it seems as tho we would allow a bit of tolerant lightheartedness to exist in and amongst us all. On some level i really mean this, and then on some other level i know that lines do have to be drawn. its a question of balance. Lets face it, we’re just people, seein’ thru glass darkly. Press on people and love one another,….smile on your brother

  47. andre' leibee

    65 years ago today______On November 29, 1947, the UN General Assembly voted in favor of a resolution, which adopted the plan for the partition of Palestine, recommended by the majority of the UN Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP). 33 states voted in favor of the resolution and 13 against. 10 states abstained. UNSCOP was appointed seven months earlier, after Great Britain, which ruled the country on the basis of a League of Nations Mandate, decided that in light of the growing Jewish resistance and violent opposition to its rule, it was unwilling to continue on the existing basis, and handed the whole issue over to the UN. The UN Committee reached the conclusion that the Mandate for Palestine should be terminated, and most of its members recommended the establishment in the territory of Mandatory Palestine of an Arab state and a Jewish state, while internationalizing Jerusalem.

    The partition map proposed by UNSCOP allotted the Jewish state only a small part of Western Palestine. Despite this fact, the Zionist Organization and the institutions of the Jewish community in Eretz Yisrael agreed to accept the plan, since it recognized the right of the Jewish people to a state and not only a “national home” as stated in the 1917 Balfour Declaration and the 1922 Mandate for Palestine.

    The adoption of the partition resolution by the General Assembly was received by the Jewish community with great joy and thousands went out to the streets to celebrate, even though it was clear that the Arab states and the Palestinian Arabs would embark on a relentless war against the realization of the plan to establish a Jewish state.

    UN GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION 181

  48. tonytarr

    why jump up and click yer heels!,…..Great Day in the morning!!,…….Why i’ll be John Brown!!!,…..Let us Glory Shout to beat the band!!!!! Hooray, PRAISE GOD,…ALLEHLUJAH!!!!! Gods prophetic word being fulfilled,…..a SIGN-POST of end time prophecy,…..and the Israeli dessert coming to fruition,..Blooming!,..Producing,…and feeding the nations! A wittness to the Power of YAHWEH and His spoken word!,………..so for now we see earthly Jerusalem,….but one day,…we will see, in fact we will be, THE NEW JERUSALEM with godly splendor and full blown godly Glory!,……nice post Andrea! in the meantime we pray for the peace of Jerusalem as God’s process continues……………! p.s. [ i like how baldy called you andrea! ] good-nite

  49. tonytarr

    Mr. Baldy on your nov. 30th 2:38 post i have to agree with you on most all of what you stated. nail on the head, or darn close anyhow. Good one ole’ boy, and i mean that respectfully.///////\\\\\\\ Think of these 2 words: Mystery and Babylon. Think of them individually, and then put them together and ponder on that,…Mystery Babylon! Have you ever heard the sound of a screech owl in the forrest in the dark of night,…its blood-curdling,..are you familiar with the sound of a pack of coyotes as the tear apart their prey,….it’s demonic sounding like evil laughter from hell. GOD WILL SAVE US FROM MYSTERY BABYLON. We’ve accepted and trust in His Love. Stick with Jesus Christ. Good-nite, again.

  50. andre' leibee

    referring to what was on the books 65 years ago—there has been a mandate for all this time to get israel and jerusalem carved up and now the un/arab/palestinian agenda is well on it’s way to do this. how bloody all this struggle has been and now about to get far far worse…… “even though it was clear that the Arab states and the Palestinian Arabs would embark on a relentless war against the realization of the plan to establish a Jewish state.” war is coming alright–of Biblical proportions—–the burdensome stone (zech 12:3) is going to make them all very sorry for pushing to have that land that God says is His and to those (the jews) to whom it was promised by Him. this is a sad day indeed……………….

  51. tonytarr

    sad, to the utmost, but of course in another aspect it is nuthin’ more than some of this birth pang process which will, as we all know, give rise to the Kingdom of Heaven fully manifested, and i somehow know that all the suffering and sorrow and pain will be ultimately absorbed into the vastness of ETERNITY, where God will wash away every tear known to man. This is His plan and it is in His wonderful hands and in a strange way, we kinda have to, in some sense of the word, be detached in our own understanding,….and let go………………..and let GOD!

  52. tonytarr

    ITS ALL TOO MUCH, but we fully trust in HIM and in HIS WISDOM,…….set your controls for the heart of the SON. and by the way, good- mornin’

  53. tonytarr

    …by th way, Hey TRUTH, have you ever been to http://www.endtimesstudies.blogspot.com ,you may find it of intrest. blessings to you brother who digs in to the thick of it all,…aspiring to His coming!!!

  54. Truth

    To All,

    The link to the Prophecy_v4.3.1 spreadsheet can now be found at the beginning of this article. (scroll all the way to the top)

  55. Mr Baldy

    Hi Tony!

    I just want to say that in reference to the link that you have provided on the “endtimesstudies blogspot” I personally have to wholeheartedly disagree with the perspective that the author has mentioned in Daniel 8, concerning the 2300 days – who is a person named: “Connie”.

    There a a lot of assumptions in that article. I won’t go into details, so that folk reading this can draw their own conclusions. And for those who are interested, sometime ago our very own Hisown provided a link that will follow; to a study on the 2300 days mentioned in Daniel 8. This is in contrast to what the author/person who posted this article, “Connie” has mentioned over at the “endtimesstudies blogspot”.

    Here is the link: http://www.solagroup.org/articles/faqs/faq_0017.html

  56. tony tarr

    Thankx Baldy, i am interested to compare n contrast. Did you catch my drift on the mystery babylon, or do you think i’m a bit,….out there in my writing style. Can you see what i’m alluding to? Dude, i’m a prophet,….just jokin’. Shoot i couldn’t make a prophet no matter how hard i tried, unless of course the Lord was doin the doing of it all.,…then i wouldn’t even have to try. but rite now i’m just tryin not ta git kicked off’n any of these here blogs! Hey i saw a bumper sticker on a car that said, “we don’t care about your blog!” I laughed my head off, it caught me by surprise, i didn’t know they made stickers like that. Humans are pretty funny,…it kinda brought me back to the days when i was a human bein’…………i’m regressing

  57. tony tarr

    Baldy if you could see my dog, sam, you’d flip. He’s a marvel,,…a wonder in sight. I don’t want them coyotes gettin’ him. He’s ……………………indescribable, and getting to know him is like a miracle. He’s ” Wild at Heart “! i just can hardly believe he’s real. Oh hey, he’s the real mcCoy! The Lord has got me in GOOD hands! This kid is so EAGER to go, everyday!!!

  58. tony tarr

    fear not

  59. tony tarr

    andrea, look at http://www.unsealedprophecy.org….its linked on this site!

  60. tony tarr
  61. tony tarr
  62. Tony – regressing? what exactly does that mean? Oh my tummy hurts, that was just hilarious!

    Mr B this is the same Connie that joined us here a few weeks ago -just fwiw :)

    I love how God works don’t ye Mr B !

  63. tonytarr

    Hi Colleen, i think i just said that to hopefully make you laugh. i mean, me and my dog would rather just keep on bein what we are. Sam is a cartoon character/play toy,…oh God, you would love him to pieces if you could see him , in the flesh, and get to know him. Man he is fun! He is so rock steady, exploring the world around him, with his happy disposition, just constantly tail waggin’ at the speed of hummingbird wings!,…etc. My wife, or x wife or whatever she is, { GOD LOVE HER }, says oh , He’s just a dog! and i say, ” i’m not buyin’ into that!,…just a dog, my foot! This boy is my soul mate, from the Lord! So full of innocence and love. Hes like frosty the snow man,….or like a stuffed animal that came to LIFE!!! His is a Heart of Gold,….he’s a lover! /// You guys better be nice to Connie.

  64. I just fell off my chair laughing…oh my goodness gracious me it feels good once in a while not to be so “serious” right :)

    Tony, my idea of living the co-crucified life is not well received ( by many ) and thought this clip will explain it better , please watch the whole clip to understand the true HEART of ministry :) I love his humility!

    Here is a man that has died to the god of ” I , me and myself “.Don’t you just love that !

    I really don’t want to distract from the original post ( plz forgive me bro ) but speaking of ” nice” you may want to check this powerful article out.

    It may be good to be nice, but it is so much better to be holy.

    http://www.challies.com/christian-living/smilingly-leading-you-to-hell?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&amp;

  65. tonytarr

    Colleen, i am glad you posted all this. i liked the video and the link to the article is worth taking in. It gets you thinking. The comments that follow the article are real interesting. esp the comment that differentiated btwn niceness and kindness. hummm,…good stuff. My dog has all them good qualities, in perfect proportions and gracefully balanced too! Thank You for the awesome feedback. There is a delicate balance to be achieved and on this side of the veil, while we are still affected by the fall, i believe we all fall short. Let us learn together day by day,…and carry on!………….remembering that while we were yet sinners, He went out of His way for us

  66. andre' leibee

    ……in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. read that this morning. wonderful video and article. niceness though important in it’s place, is only the shallows—the Lord’s Loving-kindness is the height, length, depth, and width of His Ocean of Love and Forgiveness to sinners, for us to swim in and it is better than life! i pray to God to know Him in His Fullness-to be His hands and feet-His Spirit moving in my heart as an overflow for my mouth to speak of His Power to save this lost ole world. Jesus paid too high a Price for our Salvation for us to only be “nice” with it………………………………………………love to you all in His precious Name.

  67. tonytarr

    your nice Andrea,….. and then some. Thanks for your lovely comment. p.s.[ i am not flirting w/ you ], just being matter of fact. Please don’t take it otherwise

  68. tonytarr

    …or rather you are kind,……and nice!,..Blessings

  69. tonytarr

    you too Colleen,….kind, but not necessarily so nice! ERRRRR!,…just kidding, i hope i got you laughing again. the love here as i speak is BIG LOVE,….HIGHER LOVE, and we [me n my dog] love you. Thanks for being a good egg

  70. Shelby

    LOL

  71. Lol …yip I have somewhat of a reputation of calling it out as I see it. Must be the South-African way I suppose. We are SO politically incorrect (ask Vic he will tell ya ) and don’t seem to care what other’s think …hmm much like Paul right :)

    I could never fully understand this verse until I died to the god of ” I, me and myself” and the NEED to PLEASE man “for acceptance and approval” :( That too is idolatry right!

    Gal 1:10 — For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

    A good egg ? , oh my goodness that just cracked me up. You ‘ve got to be yoking me right!

    The yoke’s on you my friend :) I’m like teflon – nothing sticks to me !

    Okay I will stop, I promise, I ‘ve had my fun for the day.

  72. tonytarr

    that was fun, i enjoyed it,….you are clever and funny Colleen. Good night,….p.s. i still think Connie was mistreated.

  73. Shelby

    ewwww tony t

  74. Shelby

    My son just posted that

  75. tony tarr

    hey drew, can you play any marshall tucker on that guitar?

  76. Shelby

    awkward ! anyways, i appreciate all the work you have put in here, truth.

  77. Awkward ?

    The Holy Spirit reminded me of this beautiful passage in Gal 5 this morning :)

    On biting and devouring, on walking in the flesh or in the spirit .

    13 ¶ For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
    14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. Lev. 19.18
    15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

    The Fruit of the Spirit and the Works of the Flesh

    16 ¶ This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
    17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other; so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. Rom. 7.15-23
    18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
    19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these, adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
    20 idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
    21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
    22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
    23 meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
    24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
    25 ¶ If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
    26 Let us not be desirous of vainglory, provoking one another, envying one another.

  78. tony tarr

    can’t ya see, what that woman Lord, has been doin’ to me. The Marshall Tucker Band

  79. Shelby

    tony, you know i am walking in love and forgiveness towards you. drew is not there yet. he got on the computer the other day and posted that. if there were a delete button i would’ve deleted it.

    MEDDLE-to interest oneself in what is not one’s concern : interfere without right.

    and btw Hisown, I was not laughing AT you above if there were any misunderstanding

  80. tony tarr

    we hold the keys to love and fear, all in our trembling hand,………..smile on your brother,sister and ride on the peace train

  81. Shelby

    And i will never be there considering the disgusting things i read between yall.

  82. Just to clarify Shelby, I ain’t on any ” peace train” either :)

    Shelly this verse is not directed to you sis but it is a good reminder for us all.

    Pro 26:4

  83. tony tarr

    i still think Connie was mistreated

  84. James1:12

    Very useful verse Colleen! I am currently engaged in correspondance with someone who has bought into unversalism in a big way, what a corrupted gospel!

    Ever heard of the mirror Tranlation and Francois Du Toit by chance?

    It’s worth bearing in mind this as she will not listen to sound reasoning or scripture so at some point soon I will have to break off.

  85. tony tarr

    james, does your comment have anything to do w/ Connie?, where you say, “she will not listen to sound reasoning or scripture”….?

  86. tony tarr

    james, i am loving listening to francois du toit on video after googling his name and mirror translation! ,…just what i needed today! PRAISE GOD FROM WHOM ALL BLESSINGS FLOW

  87. tony tarr

    are you famaliar w/ theresa talea’s book on the law of one?, and do you think it is gnosticism repackaged

  88. Tony please read in context before posting in haste.James was NOT alluding to Connie.

    Again I am going to CAUTION you to STOP PROMOTING this new-age hogwash all under the guise of ” love, peace and unity and so called asking us our “opinion” on books or authors as you just have done.How more times is this going to have to be adressed !

    James I recognized his name as a fellow South- African and will take some time out to listen to him asap.Oh my that is a heavy South-African accent right boetie :)

    Agape.

  89. Tony I will quote only one of this woman’s wicked ” ASCENDED CONSCIOUS ” statements and pray that Vic or Mr Sheep will screen this ” spiritual poison” that constantly seems to be promoted !

    Same lie repacked – ye shall be like ” God “. I actually feel nauseated !

    “In other words, if you do your best to genuinely love others and yourself and to seek truth, then in your next incarnation—whether you take your current body or not (this is explained in the book)—you will have already ascended in consciousness and will go to a place that is at your equal. If you have an alternate will, then you will go to another place. There is no heaven or hell; there are many, many actual places like “heaven” or “hell” in the multi-universes that Talea helps to reveal.”

  90. andre' leibee

    Same lie repacked – ye shall be like ” God “. no kidding. the world is falling almost wholesale for this deception so we as believers must really come out against it—only Scripture really answers this garbage the best. may we–may i–be willing to put out less opinion and much more of the Rightly Divided and Powerful Word of God to counter the lies. thanks for the heads-up. i was not aware of this author.

  91. Right sis and they are coming out of the woodwork like there is no tomorrow :( yet Jesus did warn us this is how it would be. I’m sure you have read Bro Brian’s latest update, ( powerful post ) wow the lies and deception seems to have reached a tipping point all around us!

    Lord Jesus please keep us in Thy Word!

    James, is Francois Du Toit a “universalist “as well?

  92. james1:12

    Keep clear of du toit apologies for not stating that! He skirts around universalism but thats what it is. Sorry Tony that was unwise of me. He mixes good truths with subtle lies. The lady i refer to is noylt Connie.

  93. James1:12

    Oh dear shouldn’t have used the phone to post that! What a shame we have such a multiplication of bad teaching, gravitate towards God’s Word only, test everything. We are challenged to discern, encourage others to follow the Truth and even in this the other challenge of last days relationships in the church is to hold on to one another and to not divide Christ’s body with factions caused by pride and other fleshly things. Tough!

  94. A variant of the name and doctrine is…..Francois Da Toilet. Heard it on the internet….must be true.

  95. andre' leibee

    Hisown i did read bro brian’s post (always do and appreciate him very much as i do vic and rob too) about where are the preachers and about sudan. no wonder prophecy is taking off like a shot because the falling away comes first and it is an open floodgate. made me thank God for our pastor here where i live and attend church because he is one of the few pastors around here who preaches the Bible without apology. he gives the Gospel clearly and calls for the church to learn to follow the Cross in dying to ourselves. (studying the book of daniel right now). he preaches chapter by chapter book by book verse by verse. …unashamed of the Gospel for it is the Power of God unto Salvation to every one that believes. to the jew first and also to the greek……for therein is the Righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, the just shall live by faith. romans 1:16-17 i do not read many popular authors these days. so many are terribly compromised or straight-up just brazenly false. i am thankful for unsealed prophecy keeping it real. love to all in the Lord’s Name.
    andre’

  96. ” i do not read many popular authors these days.”

    Me either…..right now i’m reading a 1610 printing of William Perkins commentary on Galatians…..it’s sooooooooo rich, just stuffed with good sound doctrine.

    It’s so far from all the modern clamour…….soooooo far from it.

  97. tony tarr

    francois du toit came across real sound in the first 15 min on the video that i watched, but i had to get a move on so thats as far as i got. he struck me as solid in the word, and godly. i will look further. thanks James,…perhaps mostly for the warning.!!!//////////also Tribber, i like what you are doing in the older biblical stuff and am determined to follow your way there. Thanks for posting. and Colleen, thanks for commenting on Talea’s work,..that helps me right now in a big way. Also i do want to say, that i was asking James about Talea’s work and i wasn’t promoting it ,……look how i mentioned it being gnosticism repackaged in my question/comment. wondering about something and promoting something are all together different. ,…and i did not speak to James in haste, when i asked him a straight forward question.

  98. No apologies James . I realized the error in his first line ,that’s why I asked if he was a “universalist”.

    I praise God for our little group and no matter what we always seem to bounce back :)

    I love and appreciate you guys!

  99. James1:12

    ” i do not read many popular authors these days.”

    Me either! In fact I don’t read anything for edification that’s newer than 50 years or so. When I told my last church pastor he nearly fell right out of his purpose driven life – “How can you engage with current comment?” Errr LIVING Word?

    Currently enjoying daily readings from Oswald Chambers here:

    http://www.oswaldchambers.co.uk/Readings.php?day=11&month=12&year=2012&language=English

  100. tony tarr

    moment by moment, newness of life,…fully human, fully alive, trusting in Him fully! Completefully!,………pressing on in Christ in face of all opposition

  101. ” i do not read many popular authors these days.”

    Me either! In fact I don’t read anything for edification that’s newer than 50 years or so. When I told my last church pastor he nearly fell right out of his purpose driven life – “How can you engage with current comment?” Errr LIVING Word?

    Yes sir…..Communion with the Ancient of Days will keep us as “current” as we need be.

    And, Living fish are able to swim against the “current”, but Dead fish float right on down stream with all the other Dead fish.

  102. andre' leibee

    well said shortribber. i read oswald chambers yesterday too. Holy Spirit anointed-Powerful and Timeless Truth. and i read hebrews 4:12–for the Word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is the discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. amen and amen to that. only God’s Word can plumb those depths. our pastor just last sunday was teaching about how “soulish” rather than spiritual the worship of so many in our day really is. it “stopped me short”-so to speak-to pray that the Lord be the “gatekeeper” to guard my heart to be in Submission to and moved by the Spirit and not the emotional or logical part of me….to be subject to the Word of God and not subject (governed by) to “feelings” -my own thoughts-my own “individuality” as chambers speaks to that issue for interpreting the times and my circumstances. that is where a danger lies-in sidelining the Word of the Lord (goes as far back as eden). so many today who are men that are supposed to be “spiritual” are leaning on the arm of flesh and the flesh of their minds for their “understanding” of our current day and times. the same tragic cycle that is bringing on Judgment…….but One day the Word Himself will come and stop that tragic cycle as He rules the world with His Rod of Iron and all people everywhere will know Who is really Lord and King over all creation. thanks everyone for the encouragement. it only confirms what the Spirit is saying.

  103. andre' leibee

    excuse me! i see that i wrote to shortribber when actually addressing james comment-sorry my brother. i am thankful for each of you–please know that!

  104. James1:12

    No need Andre’ , I actually thought you were pointing each sentence to each of us – if that makes sense!

  105. andre' leibee

    it does make sense because the Spirit bears witness! deep calling unto deep. :)

  106. tony tarr

    i’ve got sunshine, in my stomach,…..like i just rocked my baby to sleep.

  107. tony tarr

    …to balance the wonder of being alive, with the terror of being alive. Trust in Him, fearlessly!…………………….He will guard you,…rest assured,…and be not anxious., for He is looking out for you, even as we speak. have faith,………and love

  108. tony tarr

    admit what your feeling and see whats in front of you,…..your never out of His site

  109. Shelby

    my son posted that last msg up there not i

    i have sinned and repented a long time ago and fallen short of the glory of God

  110. tony tarr

    he who the Son sets free,…..is FREE indeed! Glory to God, Shelby! ///////None of my comments above your last one were intended your way at all, but rather intended for all

  111. tony tarr

    cumbeys post on learning to love big brother,…tells a tale

  112. tony tarr

    MOTHER is very upset! The MOTHER of the Abominations [abomi-Nations] of the EARTH! thats MOTHER EARTH,…as in,”they will worship the CREATION over and above the creator”. GAIA,..Earth Worship,…ie.,Agenda 21,Smart Grid, Eco-Spirituality! MOTHER requires a sacrafice,…a HUMAN Sacrafice as in depopulation,….the culling of the population. The EARTH GODDESS,…WHORE,….DEMANDS A SACRAFICE!,……in the intrest of humanity, we’ve been told we must go. This is an announce from, GENETIC CONTROL.

  113. tony tarr

    BIG BROTHER WILL “SEE” TO IT THAT MOTHER GETS HER WAY! This is an announcement from GENETIC CONTROL!

  114. tony tarr

    Hold on to the Vision. Fear not. Keep the FAITH!

  115. tony tarr

    ” CHRIST THE KING “

  116. tony tarr

    STICK with JESUS

  117. tony tarr

    Mother, how did Big Brother get that ALL SEEING EYE?,……..Grandma, what big teeth you have!!!,…………are you laughing yet Colleen. I like making you laugh, n i hate gettin’ you mad at me.

  118. tony tarr

    ……..better not compromise, it won’t be easy

  119. tony tarr

    thru the “eyes of a child”, you will see

  120. tony tarr

    Wonder all around, the child awakes,…………..how does it feel to be one of the beautiful people of the family of God. Relative Strangers,…its all relative,…………its all strange,…….we are all strangely related, in the Love of God thru Christ

  121. tony tarr

    Howdy kin,…….Lets get together,….in CHRIST

  122. Oh no Tony don’t bring the ” wolves” in sheep’s clothing thinggie in here, pluuzze ;-) Can I ever get away from them!! LAUGH :)

    Me get mad? nah, just guarding the flock with my big sword and the gift of discernment the church has managed to silence but which the Lord compels me to use.It’s an act of love and servanthood to the body right!

  123. tony tarr

    Oh! awesome Colleen, i see what your saying, as it was said clearly and makes sense. Do you not agree, that the earth goddess[ new age ] GAIA, is offended and wants revenge,…so to speak. Do you know of the Club of Rome/ Committie of 300 European Think Tank, and their plans to depopulate the world, as they follow their guide book, ” Limits to Growth “.and What do you make of Agenda 21? Tom Deweiss says it quite clearly, as well as many others,..its part of a planned attack upon humanity in the so called, ” intrest of humanity “. I don’t think I’m a wolf in sheeps clothing, and actually perhaps the exact opposite,…a sheep in wolfs clothing. I have certainly been influenced by Constance Cumbeys remarkable research on the New Age Mvmt. as it exposes the enemy and his deep roots. There is more to my way of seeing prophetic things than what i picked up from Constance, no doubt, so i come across the way i do as a result of years of being fascinated with the actuality of it all. I have placed my life in Jesus Hands,…His loving hands,…and trust that He is bringing me along,………i also know that things are going to get very bad!,.. so that men’s hearts will fall faint from fear. I Trust God’s Word of Truth, and the Holy Spirit of Truth and depend upon the Blood of Jesus and His Blood Sacrafice for my salvation,…….don’t you? are you a wolf in sheeps clothing,..i’m not. I
    m just a fallen human being dealing w/ a mystery and seeking to understand all thats going on around me

  124. tony tarr

    …btw are you all aware of chris pintos films/dvd’s,………incredible research into so much prophetic,……..google it n look see

  125. Tony you asked “are you a wolf in sheeps clothing” I will let those that know me here answer that :) I am not here to please man Tony , but Christ and if that offends some- then so be it.

    I do love Pinto’s work well yes and appreciate how he exposes the RCC lie!

    Am currently entrenched in a word for word study on John chapter 8 and pray that many will take the time out to listen to these powerful sermons.

    The name “Jezebel ” = synonym = false doctrine = Spiritual fornication.

    A few thoughts from another powerful sermon in the clip hereunder:

    The terrible danger of being seduced by a false doctrine.

    Churches permitting spiritual fornication and NOT dealing with the seduction of God’s children.

    The mark of a seduced Christian” is one that is always ” carried about” , always looking for that which is tickles the ear.

    Counterfeit Spirituality – David Wilkerson – Play

    http://www.holydesperation.com/sermons/top/counterfeitSpirituality.mp3

    Heeding the warning of – Rev 2:20 — Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

    “Spiritual tumbleweeds” – moving with every wind of doctrine, pleasing the flesh.

    2Ti 4:3 — For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers,having itching ears;

  126. Sorry for the haste in posting.

  127. tony tarr

    thanks, let us fellowship together and run the risk of learning

  128. Fellowship ? let’s lay aside every WEIGHT and sin first right :)

    Hbr 12:1 — Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

    No attention grabbing in the kingdom of God right!

    I love how Paul calls it as he sees it :)

    But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.

  129. tony tarr

    interesting

  130. James1:12

    Thanks for your post Coll, I’ve seen the David Wilkerson one before, and this was around the time earlier this year we were moving on from the old church, excellent sermon! I’ll look into the Adrian Rogers link a little later, it’s hard to find good preachin’ online so ‘m very interested.

    Tragedy in the US today, pause for thought and prayer.

  131. tony tarr

    bye bye miss american pie,………..the day, the music,……died. /// I listened to wilkerson- pod cast anbd looked at adrain rodgers,…they were both EXPLOSIVE in Christ. Thank you Colleen, its penetrating stuff designed to strengthen that which remains, as i see it. A Blessing,……..they’re everywhere,these blessings, like wheat amongst the tares!

  132. andre' leibee

    tragic circumstances and the Timely Powerful Word of God from 2 who were humble men and spiritual giants for loving God so much to say the Truth unashamed-calling sin sin with no partiality. (thanks for posting those). so few real men of God these days–but the Lord knows those that are His and He is the Power to stand up His church in this hour of temptation as we are now living. the “modern vernacular” doesn’t cut it–flippant and man-centered words and songs, God will not bend His ear to hear. i speak this to my own heart–it is time for the church to be heart-broken and weeping & repenting over sin–judgment begins in the house of the Lord or else the world sees nothing to repent of. God help us get real and stop living on the surface-dabbling with spiritual things rather than being made comformable to His death. anyone of us can sit at a computer and type out platitudes but God is calling us out to where it costs us–in blood and sweat and tears-to go to this lost-this dying world-into our dying communities and neighborhoods to take the Word of God-the Only Truth-the Royal Law-and risk loving our neighbor as ourselves. (can you tell i read and was convicted by the little book of james this morning?) only hearts moved by the perfect Law of Liberty will go share that liberty that is waiting in the Blood of Jesus to free men from the sin in which they are perishing–otherwise we are hypocrites–not loving the Lord God with all our heart and mind and soul and strength. Love will take the risk and make us people who are more than the “be warmed and filled” type of (self-centered and self-righteous) “christian”. my heart hurts as i realize-hell is swallowing families whole–can i/we still idly by and not even pray? a lady accidently bumped into my car as i was sitting in a parking lot yesterday-there was no damage-i spoke to her and we were fine with the little scrape on both vehicles so we parted ways. she drove over to park and the Lord spoke to me-take her the book of john booklet and a Gospel tract. so i did and told her that i was glad she bumped into me because i have something to give her. i told her that Jesus wants her to know Him in these pages. she took it from me and hugged me saying she would read it. merry Christmas i said and walked away praying Lord open her heart to know Your Salvation. God give each of us courage and conviction to reach out to-no matter who-or no matter the circumstance-to share the Perfect and Royal Law that converts God’s enemy—the sinner—into God’s Blood-bought child (that Mercy may triumph over Judgment). i love all of you in Jesus.

  133. tony tarr

    i know nothing for sure w/ all this prophecy stuff, and i’m being dogmatic here about that. I trust in Jesus Christ to save my sorry hypocritical self,…or should i say SELF. i suggest and pray you all do the same. We are, all of us, fallen and broken,….perhaps some more than others?? So we repent daily and press on. Blessings folks,…never lose heart, don’t give up, and keep the Faith no matter what. This side of the veil, is, this side of the veil. Substantial blessings are available on this side of the veil, for now,…thank God.

  134. andre' leibee

    the book of james is very convicting isn’t it? it nailed me…..to examine my own heart as not to be found a hypocrite (so i find i have need to repent) and bet i’m not alone………….a shallow worldly believer/church has no true message from God for the sinner.

  135. tony tarr

    this is where the rubber meets the road Andrea,…and its vital. like i mentioned earlier,” blessings are everywhere, like wheat amongst the tares”.. Good luck in not being found as a hypocrite,…or shallow as well. Nothing personal

  136. tony tarr

    ……so on and on i go,…as seconds tick the time out………theres sooo much left to know, and i’m on the road to find out! Stay the course.///\\\ Real Eyes Realize Real Lies,……..we are forever learning. I reckon its good for a fella to be down and out ever once in a while,….why if it wasn;t for that, we would all be standin’ up so straight and tall and full a pride, that we’ed pret-near fall over backwards

  137. tony tarr

    Carry On,…Love is calling to us All………………sis

  138. A hypocrite (?) or ” I know that there is no good thing in me ” ( that is, in my flesh ) :)

    Abiding in Christ= walking as Him.

    1Jo 2:6 — He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

    Shining for Christ= that God may be GLORIED.

    Mat 5:16 — Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

    A hypocrite = doing good deeds to be SEEN of men.

    Mat 23:5 — But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they makebroad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

    A hypocrite = one that justifies , blame shifts ( they claim they have no sin ) whom LOVE the praises of men.

    Luk 16:15 — And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

    A hypocrite = thinks more of himself than he ought and tends to ” exemplify ” the sin’s of others not so ” holy” as he .

    Luk 18:11 — The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

    A hypocrite = loves to make long ( repetitious ) prayers to be admired of men , creeping into the house of the widow.

    Mat 23:14 — Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

    Mat 6:5 — And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are:for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    A hypocrite = loves to give tithes and offerings yet does not heed the weightier matters of:

    But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice,

    Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

    Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.

    He hath shewed thee, O man, what [is] good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

    Mat 23:23 — Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

    I love how John addresses the ” old nature ” issue in the born-again believer :)

    “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.”

    Verses 6 and 7 “If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and do not know the truth:

    I love the ” but” in the next verse :)

    but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”

    If we claim to be ” SIN FREE” we are already deceived.

    Being born-again does not mean we are ” sinless ” but we do sin LESS , being transformed into the IMAGE of Jesus Christ.

    Eph 4: 24 – And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

    Striving for holiness to see God.( The litmus test ) :)

    Hebrews 12:14
    Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

    2 Corinthians 7:1
    Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

    1 Thessalonians 3:13
    To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

    1 Thessalonians 4:7
    For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

  139. tony tarr

    like i said,….good luck

  140. Shelby

    Thank you Colleen. You covered many of the truths that have been on my mind.

  141. Brenda Byers

    Vic or Just a sheep, I know your time is limited but could you please start a new thread. This one is getting pretty long with 140 posts. Thanks

  142. tony tarr

    thanks Brenda,……..Whew!

  143. tony tarr

    p.s. The song, by Don Mclean,..”Bye bye Miss american Pie,…is incredible in depth, if we could but perceive. Ron Taylor examines it in light of scripture. Very interesting.

  144. Thank-you Shelby, the Holy Spirit bears witness amen and amen :)

    Good luck in the Kingdom of God ?

    Brenda I believe Vic is about to post a powerful clip.

  145. andre' leibee

    the hypocrite/fleshly (religious) man wants to “look/do good”–a form of godliness but denies the power thereof—because he has-no-good-thing-to offer in the first place. says the same thing in my book…….the Power for Good in you or me is only to be filled with the Spirit–no flesh or “luck” involved amen?

  146. Amen sis Andre.

    Praise God we don’t have our hope in “luck” but have FAITH in the Providential God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob , amen and amen :)

    “Luck ” = the pagan – Hamingja

    Chose this day !

  147. tony tarr

    good luck people

  148. Tony you are defrauding me and I will ask you very kindly to heed these verses.

    1Th 4:6 — That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.

    1Th 4:7 — For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

    1Th 4:8 — He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.

  149. tony tarr

    I’m sorry. We all need Gods help and now i seek Him out on this matter. I hope you know that i was wishing you all good luck WITH your faith in GOD and in all that follows as you attempt to walk in that faith,…as it is so easy to see the plank and miss the beam. I’m not trying to curse you all by wishing you good luck towards the attainment of faith cultivation and in not being a hypocrite or shallow. We all have blindspots. So when i say good luck i mean it the same as when i say, be blessed, or i wish you Gods blessings in such things. Again, i’m sorry if i offended you Colleen. i’ not alltogether familiar with the word defraud,…do you mean that i made it appear as tho what you were saying was of no value?

  150. andre' leibee

    bless you tony….the Lord will honor your seeking His Wisdom for your asking. james 1:5

  151. tony tarr

    This, Andrea, will be a good thing! Thanks for afirmming thru James and for saying, bless you tony. i really appreciate those kind words.

  152. andre' leibee

    :)

  153. James1:12

    Did anyone else notice that yet again when the EU makes a commitment to joint military cooperation there is a mass shooting in the US.

  154. andre' leibee

    at the ready to impose the “global solutions” aren’t they? thanks james i missed that one.

  155. I feel this blog from your other site on me was very unfair. YES, God will pour out his spirit at the end of times and this is exactly what He has done for and with me. I don’t expect you to believe me as YES He does say “test the spirits”…and I have tested and tested and tested and tested I can promise you that. I refuse to be one of those “elect” that are deceived. I don’t know why you find it so hard to believe IF you believe His word about pouring out His spirit as it says in Joel.

    Thursday, November 8, 2012Are Dreams and Visions Scriptural? Should We Trust Them?
    If one goes to Youtube, or sometimes to various blogs and websites, one finds that there is an inordinate amount of people who claim to be having visions and dreams from the Lord. In each case, the person is absolutely sure that they are hearing from the Lord, even though the visions and dreams never agree with each other on subjects like the rapture, nor in 99.9% of the cases, do they line up with Scripture. Yet these people would stake their lives,(and in some cases I think they stake their salvation) on the fact that they have been given a special revelation from God. To date, out of a bizarre sense of curiosity, I have listened to or read quite a number of these dreams and visions. To date, I have yet to see one person say that they have applied the tests God has given us to test these things.

    The latest revelation that I read was from someone who was commenting on a blog I follow. She declared that God had given her (and her alone) confirmation that the rapture is going to occur seventy-five days before the abomination of desolation, which God has told her will happen on April 10, 2013. This would, I believe place her rapture on January 26, 2013. She “knows” that this was confirmed by God, because God confirms her responses to questions He asks her by actually moving inside her belly. She said that she feels Him move in different ways and parts of her belly for different messages He intends for her to understand.

    I can’t even begin to comment on how deceived this woman must be. As much as she might love the Lord, her lack of knowledge of the Scriptures that would tell her this is so wrong, is setting her up for major deception. And it is ruining any testimony she has, for when this does not happen, and it will not according to the Scriptures, she will look like a fool and nobody will take her seriously from that point on.

    One thing wrong is her lack of understanding of the seventy-five days, which she put in front of the abomination. She got these seventy-five days from Daniel 12:12 “Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.” The seventy-five days are the difference between the 1335th day, and the 1260 days that encompass the second half of Daniel’s 70th week. The entire passage reads as follows: Daniel 12:8-12 “And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.”

    We know from other Scriptures that there is a period of 1260 days in which the two witnesses will prophecy (Rev. 11:3) and during that same time, for 42 months the city of Jerusalem and temple courtyard will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles (Rev. 11:1-2). We are also told that the woman will be hid in the wilderness for 1260 days or 3 ½ years (Rev. 12:6,14) and that the beast will reign for 3 ½ years or 42 months (Dan. 7:25, Rev. 13:5). So we know that there three different ways of expressing the time period of the second half of the 70th week of Daniel, in days, months, and years. Then as shown above, Daniel is told there is a further period of thirty days from the abomination that will bring things to a close. Then the person who waits a further period of forty-five days after that will be blessed. The seventy-five days are the thirty days, plus the forty-five days after the 1260 days are complete. The seventy-five days come after the 1260 days are over, not before the abomination. Clearly the first thirty days are tacked on after, as it undeniably states that the counting of these days start at the abomination of desolation. Had this woman even understood this passage, she would have immediately suspected that it was not God speaking to her, for this is in opposition to what the Bible teaches. This is the first thing that should clue someone in to a false spirit. The message is not Scriptural.

    As to when the rapture occurs, I have written much on this subject in both my endtimes blog and my Bible conundrums blog. It is not pre-tribulational.

    The next problem is with the way she says God tells her these things. He moves in her belly? When it comes to theology, God tells us things via His Word, not via movement in our belly. Everything we need to know about eschatology and what is going to happen was already given in a vision to someone – by Christ Himself. It was given to John. To add anything to that is to risk the punishment that God warned us would occur should we add or delete from the words of His prophecies. Revelation 22:18-19 “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”

    This woman is just one of many, many people who have these sort of “interactions,” for lack of a better term, with an entity which they believe to be God. A dear friend, or I should say former friend for she no longer talks to me, emphatically declared to me that God had definitely confirmed to her that the rapture was happening on May 25, 2011, as predicted by Harold Camping. I told her that when this did not happen, she should realize that whoever might be speaking to her, it was not God. This is why she is now a former friend. She was not pleased with what I had to say. And as I predicted to her at the time, the rapture did not occur on May 25. I knew my Scriptures, and I knew Camping was wrong. While she admitted that she did not know the Scriptures all that well, rather than consider the Scriptures I laid out for her, she chose to believe a false prophet.

    I saw one Youtube video where a girl was saying that God had given her either a dream or vision, I cannot remember which, in which He confirmed for her that the rapture was going to happen sometime last spring. I also told her that it was not going to happen, and that when it did not, she should realize that it was not God speaking to her. The day after the predicted date, she yanked her video from Youtube.

    In all of these cases none of these people ever questioned the spirits and made them make the confession that is required for us to believe them. 1 John 4:1-3 “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

    Another way to test the spirit is to see if the vision or dream comes true. If it does not, then obviously it was not God speaking. Any prophecy from God is always going to be true. And even if it does come true, one has to judge, is it in line with Scripture? For Satan and his minions will give prophecies, then go about making sure they come true. It must not only come true, it must be Scriptural.

    Deuteronomy 13:1-5 “If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.”

    Deuteronomy 18:20-22 “But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”

    Notice above that when a prophet speaks something that might even come true, if it is against God’s Word, such as the above where he told them to go after other gods, one must realize that it is not a word from God, but a test from God to see if you love the Lord with all your heart and will follow Him alone. This is what these people are not understanding. God is allowing them to be tested to see if they really love Him and His Word, or if they have itching ears and want to think they have been specially singled out by God for new revelation. They love pride more than they love Him. They are ignorant of His Word and have no discernment to realize they are being duped. And they do not test the spirit to see if it confesses Christ, as a godly spirit would.

    God has told us that we need to be studying His word for several reasons. The first being able to know what is true doctrine and what is not. 1 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” The second is to be able to defend yourself against those who try to teach false teachings and to explain to people who are seeking answers why Christ is the way. 1 Peter 3 :15 “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.” The third is to instruct, reprove, and correct others. 2 Timothy 3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” 2 Timothy 2:24-26 “ And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”

    Lastly studying God’s Word brings knowledge, wisdom, and discernment. Hebrews 4:12 “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” Hebrews 5:12-14 “For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.” Proverbs 1:7 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” Proverbs 9:10 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.” Psalm 111:10 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.”

    There are also consequences for not knowing God’s word. Hosea 4:6 “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.” The consequences are more far-reaching than just affecting the person who is not studying. The consequences are passed on to the children. This may be seen in the results of people who have followed these false prophets and charlatans. Their children, seeing their parents’ error, turn from the Lord and go the way of the world. They reject the faith of their fathers, (and mothers) because they see that their fathers believed lies. Their fathers believed lies, because they did not study the Scriptures.

    Does this then mean that all dreams and visions are from the devil? No, not at all. We are told in Acts 2:17-18 “And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy.” This quote is also found in Joel. In the last days before Christ’s return, God will pour out His spirit and there will be prophesying and dreams and visions. What is important is to verify the source, and to check everything against Scripture. So far I have only come across one prophecy that I found to be most likely true. It was completely Scriptural and the person giving it had a humble spirit that was not looking to be special, but was overwhelmed with grief at the message. This too will probably be a mark of a person who has been given a true vision or dream.

  156. Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? And what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    Matthew 24:4-8 – And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilence, and earthquakes,in divers places. All these are the beginnings of sorrows.

    Matthew 24:9-14- Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my names sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

    Many of these false prophets mentioned are right in our churches…the ones that are not teaching that “He is at the door”.

    Ezekiel 33: 1-6 And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, speak to the sons of your people and say to them, ‘If I bring a sword upon a land, and the people of the land take one man from among them and make him their watchman, 3 and he sees the sword coming upon the land and blows on the trumpet and warns the people, 4 then he who hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, and a sword comes and takes him away, his blood will be on his own head. 5 He heard the sound of the trumpet but did not take warning; his blood will be on himself. But had he taken warning, he would have delivered his life. 6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away [a]in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman’s hand.’
    I can tell you now, I will NOT have the blood of anyone on my hands as I will shout it no matter the personal consequences or scoffers that doubt the Lord is and has truly poured out His spirit upon me.

    Matthew 24:15-22 – When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place (whoso readeth, let him understand) then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains: let him which is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house: neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them what give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in winter, neither on the Sabbath day: for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elects sake those days shall be shortened.

    Mark 13:14-20 – But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains: and let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take anything out of his house: and let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. But woe to them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. For in those days shall affliction, such as was not from the beginning of creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elects’ sake, whom he hath chose, he hath shortened the days.

    Mark 13:24-27 – But in those days after the tribulation , the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost parts of the earth to the uttermost parts of heaven.

    Matthew 24:27-28 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For whereso ever the carcass is, there will be the eagles be gathered together.

    The ones that are not raptured will see the abomination ( when the “beast of Revelation” claims to be God.)This happens at mid point in the final 7 years…and the woman is told to flee for 1260 days to be nourished. See Revelation 12:6

    What this means above “woe unto them that are with child, and to them what give suck in those days” …goes along with Revelation 12 where the woman travails in birth..she is “with child”…and the woman gives birth to the “Man child”. Woe to the one that is with child is the Christian that is still in travailing in labor…they have not overcome as scripture tells us to so they are not raptured or “caught up” to the throne…they are the woman (church/Christian) that has to flee…the church is the “woman” …in this chapter, whereas the other woman mentioned in Revelation is the “harlot” woman…the antichrist church. They “give suck” in those days because they are still on “milk”…not meat as they should be after professing to be a Christian for a while. Babes in Christ are still on “milk” whereas longer term Christians should be on meat. Read Hebrews 5:12 and and 1st Corinthians 3:2

    Also the “elect” mentioned are the Christians that were not raptured and the ones that gave their life to Christ after the rapture. He “shortens” those days and that is why no one knows “the day or hour” of His return at the END of the final 7 years. Jesus does not appear in the cloud until the end of this last 7 year period. The rapture mentioned in Revelation 12:5…well we do not see Him, we are just “caught up” to the throne of God.

    Jesus is the rider on the white horse that we see in Revelation 19:11-16 – this is when we see him…this is when he returns…there is only one second coming. He does NOT come at the rapture.

    Matthew 24:29-31- Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    He gathers his “elect” ( the ones not raptured and the ones saved after the rapture ) at the last trumpet…the 7th trumpet. See Revelation 11:15-19
    And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven…at the end of the tribulation. Also the seals, trumpets and bowls…happen like this: a seal, a trumpet, a bowl until all 7 are done. Take note of the 7th seal, the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial/bowl. They all speak of the return ( when we see Him) of Jesus.

    Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn

    Matthew 13:40-43 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity, and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.

    This happens at the end of the tribulation as well. First the “tares..non saved” are gathered to “burn them” and then the “wheat – saved” are gathered …all at His return…these are all the ones that did not get raptured.

    Matthew 24:37-41: But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered the ark, and knew not until the flood came, and took them all away: so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    Genesis 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

    Matthew 13:47-50 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    Luke 17:26-30 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; but the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

    Luke 17: 33-36 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it, and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together, the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

    One is taken and one left….at the END of the tribulation. The one taken is the “tares”…that are destroyed and the ones left are the “wheat”…the saved.

    These are some scripture that tell when the “elect”, “woman”, will be with the Lord…at the end of the tribulation….when Christ DOES return and we SEE HIM in the clouds. Matthew 24:29-31- Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain/left unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first; then we which are alive and remain/left shall be caught up together with them in the cloud to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    1 Corinthians 15:20-23 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ,
    the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.

    1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

    John 6:39-40 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath give me, I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    John 6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. No man can come to me,except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

    John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

    So…all these scriptures above point to “that day or hour no one knows…at the END of the tribulation and these point to that same day that He comes “like a thief in the night” after the END of the tribulation…when he cuts the final 1260 short…but no one knows just how “short” he cuts in so you must keep “watching”.

    Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    Matthew 24:42-44 Watch therefore: for ye know not in what watch the “thief” would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready; for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
    1 Thessalonians 5:2 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a “thief” in the night.

    THEN NOTE….IN Revelation 16:15 after the seventh “vial” which is the last one before Jesus returns to “gather his elect”…”after the tribulation” of those days…

    Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked,and they shall see his shame.

    So…the reason no mans knows the day or hour is first…Jesus “cuts” that time short lest no man survive at the end of the tribulation and then you still do not know that time. That is why he comes as a “thief”…you should be watching and watching and THEN you will see Him in the clouds when He sends His angels to “gather His elect”…

    This said, THIS is what Jesus says to be praying as we start seeing these things begin to happen above in Matthew 24:4-8 before the final 3.5 years begins which is the “Great Tribulation”. He speaks to the seven churches in Revelations Chapters 2 and 3 on what the “overcomers” are promised. Some are NOT promised to escape the tribulation. Those that do not are the “woman” ( those that claim to be Christian) that flees for the last 3.5 years on this earth before you see Jesus return in the clouds to gather His elect AFTER the tribulation of those days.

    Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    This is where we “escape” it…by being “caught up” to the throne of God. THIS is the rapture verse. No other. Most have this as Jesus being the one that is caught up…but it is not. The book of Revelation was written sometime around 95AD ..after Jesus was crucified. The book of Revelation is for the future time…specifically the “last days”….the final “week” ( 7 years) of Daniel 9:27.

    Revelation 12:5-6 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness; where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

    The rapture is 75 days before the adomination. The 1335th day it speaks of in Daniel 12:12 speaks of the ones that are blessed and are “caught up unto God, and to His throne”. Then the woman ( the church that is left behind that has not “overcome”) flees to the place prepared for her for 1260 days. Sad to say, some are not promised that protection. Read Revelation chapters 3 and 4 as I said to see what each overcomer is promised. Some are promised hidden manna, some are imprisoned and some are promised tribulation. Not all are “ratpured” to “escape” all these things.

    Daniel 12:12 Blesses is he that waitheth and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

    You are blessed if you have made it to this day and are “caught up to the throne of God” 75 days before the abomination (1260 days) and all Hell literally breaks out. Most importantly read what the Lord promises to the church of Philadephia…You want to be one of these for sure….of this church if at all possible as they will “escape all these things”…

    Revelation 3:7….And to the angel of the church of Philadelphia write; These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth and NO man shutteth; andshutteh, and NO man openeth; I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.

    Revelation 3:10 Because thou has kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    He will “keep thee” when you are “caught up onto God, and to His throne” as it says in Revelation 12:5.

    It is on January 26th… The time of the rapture is “at the door” and He is getting ready to open it. He did warn His people in the past when the time is at hand…he warned them of the VERY DAY it would happen.He told Noah when the door was to be shut and Lot when to leave the city with his family…and he has warned us now…the rapture is at hand. Prepare NOW.

    It is “the time of the end”. The book has been opened.

    Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end.

  157. I also need to say, I am one of the most humble people you will ever meet. I consider myself one of the “least” scripture speaks about. I don’t know why you had to attack me in your other post. I am really praying for the Lord to help me thru this as scripture also says this will happen in the last days and it hurts…I am human.

    From your other site is below….and I can tell you this is a HUGE burden, these things the Lord has shown/told me. Why do you think I am shouting it on every site and telling everyone I know and strangers and suffering being ridiculed from others with your spirit of unbelief. So be it, I will continue to shout it. So I ask that you pray to the Lord as HE WILL TELL YOU I AM FROM HIM…NO OTHER SPIRIT.

    fROM YOUR OTHER SITE:
    It was completely Scriptural and the person giving it had a humble spirit that was not looking to be special, but was overwhelmed with grief at the message. This too will probably be a mark of a person who has been given a true vision or dream.

  158. since we are discussing the fact I “don’t know my scripture”..let me say this, The “two” witnesses are not just “two”…the two witnesses are the 144,000 and “Elijah”…Yes, I was told this as well. if you study scripture enough you will find this out. And, I was told that the witnesses are not really killed….they are beat down and beat down and beat down…and at the end they “rise up”…so all of scripture is not literal…for sure this part. and yes, I was “told” this as well. Some of scripture that was “sealed up till the time of the end” as it says in Daniel is now being revealed and I feel 100% sure I am not the “only” one being told this. I can promise you there are others. You have just not found them yet.

    I have also been told that I will be left behind to help “feed” and nourish the “woman” left behind which is the church…all the ones that did not overcome like it says in the message to the seven churches. The Lord has told me that I am one of the 144,000 and I will be here. I am part of the “Man child” of Revelation 12:5. The “Man” is left to help feed and nourish the “child” that got left. THIS IS 100% FROM GOD…yes. The 144,000 are NOT jewish virgin men, that is not literal either. You are a Jew by being born into the family of Jesus when you give your life to him. You do not defile yourself with women because you come “out of the world” and “false religions” whether they are the “harlot: Christian church or other religions and completely and honestly give your all to Jesus. That I am guilty of.

    I want to say to you now, I am not boasting, I am not bragging. I am only guilty of seeking the Lord with every ounce of my being that I have. I was a poor, broken soul until He redeemed me during this journey I have been on in the last 2 years. I only strived to do everything He told/tells me even when I do not want to. I have lived to please ONLY Jesus Christ in the last few years. He honored me and my falling to my knees in complete earnest and humbleness. I am a retched sinner saved by the grace of Jesus Christ.

  159. Shelby

    Hello Deb, those comments came from Connie’s website I believe. She is not affiliated with this board, she was a visitor.

  160. oh…shame on me then. I am not above admitting I “jumped the gun”. I really should have acted like Jesus does and wiped the dust off my feet and gone on. I should be used to this by now but sometimes when someone attacks me and says I don’t know what I am saying, I just want to say “if only you knew me”…I am so humble and seek only the truth. I begged God for the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth when this journey began in the Spring of 2011…I was really talking to Him about the circumstances of my trials and my son being sexually abused so many years ago and the pain that it has caused over all these years…and I truly did seek him with EVERYTHING I have and told him I did not want anything but the truth and boy did He ever give it. I NEVER imagined I would be getting all I got. He has blessed me so much but now I am burdened so much as I know what is getting ready to happen and I don’t care ( usually :-)) if people tell me I am a deceiver….I am so burdened by knowing the day and when so many will be left and I cannot shout it enough. He knew that I would shout it I am sure….as He knows my personality and that I could not and would not keep it to myself no matter the ramifications..I tried to post on the original site i got this from but for some reason it would not let me log on…

  161. Shelby

    it’s ok Deb. You can address Connie here if you want.

  162. well, you sure have a kind spirit.

  163. Thank-you Shelby for the clarification.

    Deb, I read your pain and the emotional agony you seem to be going through and please hear my heart, we’re all instructed to test the spirits and that is what Connie was doing ( from what I gathered in your post – I also have no idea how the confusion came about that this blog is connected to her’s or have any desire to find the post either ) but because we are living in some pretty serious deceptive times each child of God has the right to prove that which is being ” presented ” by the living word of God.Amen and amen.

    Don’t you just love this wonderful promise.

    1Jo 2:27 — But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    Deb you said ” It is on January 26th… The time of the rapture is “at the door” and He is getting ready to open it. He did warn His people in the past when the time is at hand…he warned them of the VERY DAY it would happen.He told Noah when the door was to be shut and Lot when to leave the city with his family…and he has warned us now…the rapture is at hand. Prepare NOW.”

    So my question is, if the rapture does occur on this date, does that mean that those left behind will know that they are now the “144,000 and part of the ” man child”. I mean will they KNOW the rapture ( I assume of the 5 wise virgins) has taken place?

    If yes then how, and if not then why ? ( I pray you understand my South-African way of communication ) :)

    Please know that I’m not being factious at all here and need to let you know in much agape love that there are quite a few well trusted believers here that have a very fine gift of discernment , that stand pacing the wall not only just to sound the alarm for the danger that is approaching, but we love each other too much to allow spiritual deception to seduce and entice one another and pray that you will receive that.

    Deb so have you been saved from 2011 is that my understanding?

    Please know that I will be praying for your son and as a mother of a beautiful son myself I can’t even imagine the pain of what that must inflict on your heart. My heart hurts for you!

    Hugs and prayers to you both.

    Agape in Christ,
    Colleen

  164. I so understand how none of us want to be deceived. This journey has been one that has me testing the spirits continually as well so there is no need to apologize.

    Now as far as the others that are of the 144,000 I feel sure they are being and have been told over the last few months. I was made aware first by a man that has the “spirit of Elijah”…that the Lord sent to me twice. and gave me many messages. All scripture based. No chit chat…just scripture that the Holy Spirit helped me to discern after each visit. So much has happened since my first “encounter” with this man. He was the one that informed me there was a rapture as I was a true believe that I was here till the last day. :-) But as I was studying Revelation 12 and trying to figure it out I got my first “visit” and after that I was reflecting on what in the world was in that message I just got…well, it all came together…the Holy Spirit helped to discern Revelation 12 as I knew my message had to do with that and the fact that this first encounter was when I was given other scripture to let me know that I was one of the 144,000. Then the second visit I got the man gave me many more messages all scripture…and the Holy Spirit does truely move in my stomach to answer me…it is very hard to believe I know but I can ask questions and IF the Lord is ready to reveal what I asked then he moves in certain ways, He also lets me know when certain demon spirits are around ( the demon of perversion mainly as this is what I had to deal wiht all my life with my son being sexually abused) so the Lord has allowed me discernement of this type only. Althought He does tell me when I took my grandson to the movies when songs play during movies that are “not of God”…and when I take my grandson skating and the songs they play He lets me know when He does not approve of the song, the list goes on and on. He let me know when my car was breaking down, He lets me know when I am making a wrong turn, I cannot tell you all the things He has done for me and I sometimes and overwhelmed with love so much I cannot fathom why He has chosen to do this for me. Now…on the other end of the spectrum, He lets me know when I lied once He immediately told me WHAT ARE YOU DOING….He has been fine tuning me now for about a year and a half like this. He lets me know when I even start to be getting an attitude that is not Godly, by moving …letting me know to breath and think of HIm. I cannot watch any TV…:-) I just study and pray in all my free time. I seem to go to sleep praying, wake us during the night praying, and get up in the morning praying…for everyone I know and all the ones I don’t know that I know are going to be left. The Lord did confirm to me that the abomination is on 4/10/13 once Elijah gave me the message. I asked the Lord to confirm this and He did. and He knew that He had just discerned for me the 1335 day, 1290 day and 1260 day so He knew I would know to count back 75 days from 4/10/13. He also stops me dead in my tracks on other things that I might not understand correctly in scripture …if I am telling someone what I “think” it might mean, it I am wrong, He stops me by a certain movement in my stomach…(there are definitely different ways He does move for good, bad, stop….and I am here with you”).

    I actually gave my life to the Lord when I was 25 years old…29 years ago…BACKSLID terribly for years….and about 5 years ago…started “waking up” and seeking …but with all that happened to my son all these years I kept taking back all my worries with him and his children…until April of 2011 and I fell to my knees and told the Lord I needed Him to help me as I could not take this road much longer. My son was sexually abused as a child beteen the ages of 3 and 7…by two people ( that the Lord just revealed to me who and one was his stepfather and one was my Sunday school teachers husband and they had a daycare and kept him while I worked) …both abused my son…the husband and my husband who was his stepfather. My son was institutionalized at 7 and 9 years old and at 9 he tried to kill himself and again at 14 and again at 21…It was along road. He was a drug addict and drank so much…He now is 31 and I can tell you that since I fell to my knees and FINALLY gave him to the Lord and sought the word of God like I promised the Lord I would….I told God I would seek him and seek His word and I needed Him to fix my problems. He told me seek My face and I will fix your problems. WELL HE DID:-) AND I have not stopped since April 2011 of studying daily ….that is all I do when I am not working. I told the Lord, I need the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and He gave it. I sure did not expect all this other…learning the truths about the end of this age but I guess He knew I would tell everyone and believe me I do. The good thing is the Lord fixed my son:-) He is a changed man…God told me just about 2 weeks ago when I asked…that He sent the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Elijah to “bring the son to the father and the father to the sons”…and my son is like a said a changed man…I did not have to say one word to him…The Lord truly fixed it and I believe brought about much healing. My son used to tell me He did not beleive in Jesus or he would not have gone thru what he did as a child. He never did tell me ever who did what to him but when the Lord told me I did tell my son I knew finally after all these years it was mainly his father. He did not deny it and I went to his father ( actually stepfather but the only one he knew) and confronted him. He did not deny it either…so my son KNEW their had to be a God as he never told not one person who did this…I told him God told me…so see, what satan meant to use to destroy my child in all the sexual abuse…the Lord MADE GOOD:-) And my son is the man that the Lord wants him to be now…as he was calling all those to him that He wants saved.

  165. well..was not quite finished..

    What sent me finally to my knees in April 2011 was absolutely what the Lord wanted to happen so I would do what I did and my son would be where he is today…as He wanted my son with him to be one of the ones with him in Heaven…I did not know this of course at the time when I started this journey last year and had no clue it would bring me where I am today. I have just hit the hightlights of all that has taken place. So much has happened to bring me to where He has me today. It was a journey with much “fine tuning” believe me, but I was willing and believe me with all this going on with how he moves in me…It was either go where He was leading/taking me or turn my back and I chose to follow the Lamb where ever He goes. My daughter in law thinks that I lost my mind therefore in the process of gaining a son, I lost 2 grandsons that I am not allowed to see unless I get supervised visits. My son did not tell her that what I said about who abused him being the truth ( and I do not really expect him to…it was hard enough on him what he has been through, He knows I know the truth and I believe that was such a burden off of him and I don’t think it is necessary for anyone else to know all of it…the Lord has healed him in so many ways. So I just tell my son, God says to put your wife before your mother…I will live with supervised visits…put her “demands” first…I have Jesus and will make it ( althought I kept them for 8 years every Saturday…they were a huge part of my life). His wife has said if I will tell her that it is not God moving in me and get “help” then all will be good and I can see the kids like normal. Well…I cannot say that as it is the Holy Spirit moving in me and to say it is not would be turning my back on the Lord. So, I choose Jesus. I will see my grandkids in Heaven so supervised visits is what I chose and all is good! God is good…He alone is my rock, my salvation.

    Sorry for the long story and again, this is only bits and pieces.

    the man…with the “spirit of Elijah”…after my second visit…was moving on to tell others. So, they are being told. I am sure most know by now since the rapture is right around the corner.

  166. Deb, Deb please…. I am not able to get past the first few lines and would really appreciate it if you could please be so kind as to clarify who this “man” is that comes in the spirit of Elijah.

    You said-
    “I was made aware first by a man that has the “spirit of Elijah”…that the Lord sent to me twice. and gave me many messages”

    Just to let you know there are huge red flaggs going off here and am reminded of a verse the Holy Spirit laid on my heart to share with you.

    Zec 13:4 — And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:

  167. The verse does not speak to me but I will study it…I must tell you that I did ask the Lord if He sent this man and He told me Yes….He did. and the Lord did confirm to me the date of the abomination. Also, as I studying the scripture the Lord/Holy Spirit confirmed it all to me…in a mighty way. Specifically He confirmed to me mightly the 1335, 1290 and 1260 days. The Lord also confirmed to me that the gentleman was from Him. Everything I was told was scripture. NOTHING else. The Lord discerned for me all that was to be discerned from scripture only.

  168. the “man”….was an “encounter” in a grocery parking lot one day as I was putting flyers on cars that Jesus was returning soon and to “get ready” …I had/have passed out thousands…and this man comes up and ask me what I am doing and I tell him. Well…he started quoting some specific scripture….and for some reason I “knew” it was a message for me and sure enough it was. I studying it and the Holy Spirit gave me all the answers as I studied. Took me a few days to finally understand what the Lord wanted me to “get” out of the scriptures but I did. and then about a month later the same man in a parking lot showed up again…I KNEW ( and don’t ask me how( that I would see him again and the Lord sent hi) and gave me many messages…all scripture to discern and the Holy Spirit again…helped me over the next few weeks. Yes, it sounds strange…but I can tell you, the Lord did tell me it is ALL from him. Believe me I told the Lord I could not and would not be deceived and He needed to tell me for sure that He sent this man with these messages and He did affirm/confirm in a mighty way.

  169. You know, I sure understand your hesitation…believe me I have never experienced anything in my life like this. But was it not like this in Jesus’s time….with his disciples and even before that with John the Baptist…there were many people in those days that doubted and thought they were crazy:-)…I guess when the Lord says He will pour out His spirit He choses different ways with different people…My grandson ( another one ) told me just last week that he “heard the voice of God” and that is is “deeper sometimes than others” and that he had an hour long conversation with God …and gave his life to HIm about a month ago. He is only 10…has been thru a lot in his little life and I have prayed and prayed for him and the Lord revealed himself to him. So…althought that seems strange to some I believe him 100% percent. Just because I have never heard the “voice of God” does not mean that no one does. So the means that the Lords works thru me is not really so strange to me. EVERYTHING is scripture based. It is truly not a deceiving spirit. Think about this…would the enemy want my son to become the man he is today….a child of God. NO…ALL that has taken place has destroyed all the evil satan has worked in my sons life and mine for 31 years…the chains have been broken. Praise Jesus …All this has brought about redemption in Jesus. That is NOT how satan works:-) He does the opposite.

  170. Please help me undersand.

    Deb you said ” The rapture is 75 days before the adomination.”

    Then you said “It is on January 26th… The time of the rapture is “at the door” and He is getting ready to open it. ”

    So that would put the AOD @ 11th /April 2013 correct?

    Back in 2006/7 a sister in Christ ( still at Fulfilled Prophecy ) posted this clip by Dewey Burton . Here he seems to indicate that the 42 month trib starts round about March 21st and the AOD set up 30 days prior to that. That would place round about @ 19th Feb 2013 correct!

    Did I miscalculate here or is it just my lack of zzzz :)

    Point 1:10:33

    Just to clarify ( Scott, Vic, Rob,Mr B and Matt) he proposed the 7th week starting in 2010 NOT the 70th as stated – oppss sorry!

    We are living in such dangerous times. I praise God that His KNOWS who are His :)

  171. Shelby

    I can relate to what you describe as God moving in your belly, Deb. Sometimes I’ll be thinking on things and all of a sudden I will feel a “whoosh” of the Holy Spirit in my core area. This is the annointing of the Holy Spirit. It’s God’s way of telling me, yes, that thought or idea you are thinking on is correct. It’s God’s voice.

    Brother Joseph Herrin has articles relating to what you are describing. Send him an email and he will get back to you. His father just passed away, but he will be available in the next couple of days.

    http://parablesblog.blogspot.com/

    this is his articles page…
    http://www.heart4god.ws/articles.htm

    he speaks of the man-child here
    http://www.heart4god.ws/index_htm_files/The%20Supernatural%20Character%20of%20Coming%20Days.pdf

    The Remnant Bride-by Joseph Herrin
    http://www.heart4god.ws/index_htm_files/The%20Remnant%20Bride.pdf

  172. Here is what I calculated…the abomination is on 4/10/12…so I counted back 75 days and came up with 1/26/13…I did not count 4/10/12 as one of the 75 days. So…that is how I came up with 1/26/13.

    As I had been comteplating before all these revelations had been revealed to me on specific scipture discernent …I was looking at the possiblity of the AOD being on 3/22/13. Not by anything at all that I had been told but just because that date was the first day of Spring and not on a sabbath…( tying in the “pray that your flight not be in winter and not on the sabbath) and it was the time line that I had been thinking the AOD would be in the Spring of 2013 anyway …based on the signs int he heaven in the fall of 2016. I knew we were in the final 7 years as on March 5, 2012 the Lord literally woke me up and immediately put these words in my head …” Quit looking for the covenant you are in the final 7years now”…I specifically ask Him if it was Him ( the Lord) that literally put those words in my head. You see I thought in my spirit that the covenant had happened and thougth I could find it on the internet somehow …find “something” that was the covenant that possibly I had missed thinking it would be on the news. I kept thinking surely satan would not broadcast it all over the place then EVERYONE would know it had happened. I had been searching off and on for a few weeks when the Lord woke me that night. I then went back to sleep and I am not sure of how much time passed but He woke me again….and immediately these words were in my head….” look for the abomination next”…

    Now, this also went along with my thinking that there was not a rapture and I was bound and determined I was not going to take the mark of the beast so I started buying food and water like crazy…thousands of cans I have now…telling the Lord if He would just bless me to be able to buy it I would not stop and would feed anyone He sent my way that had not prepared. so ever since March I have stocked up and stocked up. Then….one day after my first visit from “elijah” as I call him…when I told him that I was putting flyers on cars to tell people to BUY FOOD…as there was not a rapture…and nobody was listening…He said “some are”…and I thought to my self ( but did not say it) NO some are not…at this same time I was trying to figure out Revelation 12:5 as well….and then I came home and the next day a friend that did think there was a rapture sent me an email trying to convince me there was AGAIN :-) …an article she wanted me to read. We did that with each other all the time. we were able to challenge each other with our views without either getting mad. Now…I knew that all the scripture which I had posted above pointed to no rapture at all…as it says Jesus apppears in the clouds “after the tribulation”…to “gather his elect” so she was never able to convince me there was one. Also up till this point ( that day) the Lord had never moved in my stomach either way on the “rapture” opinion. I had just discerned this myself from all the scripture there was not one. WEll…when I opened that email she sent me …He started moving in my stomach. It literally made me mad:-) …I told the Lord, WHY are you telling me this NOW …as He was moving like “read this”…I shut the email down defiantly :-) and later that evening after I quit working I started studying Revelation 12:5 and kept wondering “who” was caught up to the throne of God”…well…I asked the Lord, IS THEIS A RAPTURE….well…I guess you can say in a mighty way He answered and said YEP…so then I started putting it all together and the Holy Spirit helped me. The overcomers…I believe mainly the church of Philadelphia …are the ones raptured. and the rest are the woman left behind of course to be “fed and nourished”…I asked the Lord and I to help feed these people..He discerned for me the Man is the 144,000 left behind to feed/nourish and the child is the overcomers that are raptured. Then I started asking the Lord “is the time of the rapture shown in scripture” not the date just the time…and He told me YEP…so I knew to study the 1335, 1290 and 1260 days and He helped me figure that out and told me in no uncertain terms that the rapture is at the 1335 days which is before the 1260. Now, I am not sure how I will help feed other than the food I have will be for whatever He has it for. He could multiply it or maybe it is an interim thing until he rains his own manna..I do not know that. I now know He did not tell me of the rapture as He had me buying food for a reason. Everytime I went shopping at Walmart for food and wanted to “shop” for non essential He stopped me ( yes by a certain movement he does …) no Debbie ….food, water and I do have other supplies as well in stock.

  173. well…i meant above the AoD is on 4/10/13

  174. Shelby

    See my comment above yours Deb. You may have missed it. There was a glitch.

  175. Oh my gosh….You cannot imagine how wonderful it is to hear you say that about feeling the “woosh”….LOLOLOLOL!!!! Mine started out “slow”…as I told the Lord when I fell to my knees last year when I needed the whole truth…as I studied and read different peoples discernents of scripture He would “move” on the ones I was to read ( when I was really studying ont he 70 weeks and there are those out there that thougth of course it happened in Ad70…and at that time I said ok Lord, WHO HAS IT CORRECT…has the 70th week happened or has it not…Well…he guided me to read on the study that is HAD NOT:-) ..Like I said…I had NO CLUE…on any of this on end times so I was like the blind leading the blind. I crammed a thousands of hours of study into this last year and half. I told the Lord I would seek Him and seek Him but He needed to fix my problems and I did and He did:-)….and as time went on since all this began in Spring 2011….He has discerned more and more and more and more…and gave me as I said many truths on who abused my son by answering me when I asked questions by moving in my stomach. There is a huge difference in the way He moves for good, bad, stop, yes…etc as I said. And the truths He gave me on who abused my son brought about much pain but I needed to know as I felt guilt all these years for not protecting my son and never knowing for sure who even did it. So much healing has taken place during all this. God is so good and the burden has finally been lifted from me since my sons first institutionalization when he was 7. My son I can tell has done much healing and I know it was the Holy Spirit that did it…He went to David and He told me He would and He fixed it:-)..I am going to go to the links you sent above!! Cannot wait!!!!

  176. Deb maybe you missed the question I asked before so I will ask it again :)

    You said :
    “Here is what I calculated…the abomination is on 4/10/12…so I counted back 75 days and came up with 1/26/13″

    So my question is, if the rapture does occur on this date, does that mean that those left behind will know that they are now the “144,000 and part of the ” man child”. I mean will they KNOW the rapture ( I assume of the 5 wise virgins) has taken place?

    If yes then how, and if not then why ? ( I pray you understand my South-African way of communication )

  177. Shelby

    This is the article I was looking for…

    http://parablesblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/ascension-of-manchild-part-1.html

    snippets
    The majority of Christians have been fed myths and fables about a world wide rapture occurring where all Christians will simply vanish from the face of the earth. These fables have been perpetuated by such best selling Christian fiction books as the Left Behind series by Jerry Jenkins and Tim LaHaye. Tragically, most who have embraced such fables will be left behind when Christ comes to be glorified **in His saints on that day, for they have not believed what God has testified. As a consequence, they have not made themselves ready.

    In Revelation chapter 12 we see a great parable declared in the heavens. The woman, who is the church, gives birth to a manchild who is caught up to the throne of God. This manchild then returns to feed the woman in the wilderness. The woman must receive the truths of the kingdom and come to understand the necessity of suffering in order to be perfected. She will then be prepared to embrace and experience her own trials even as the manchild company experienced theirs.

  178. I apologize for not answering your question…

    My answer is this. I am assuming that the others “know” they are part of the 144,000. I was told on 9/23/12 thru scripture being quoted to me by this “elijah”…person. Now at that time He did not tell me he was Elijah at all. my first encounter was scripture with info I was to discern. He recited Revelation 15 word for word. I was so intent upon listening amazed he could memorize all of it as my brain for some reason cannot remember a verse hardly :-)and when I got home I prayed and studied and at the same time was studying and trying to figure out the Rev 12:5. After much thinking and praying and asking the right questions the Lord/Holy Spirit answered me when I got it correct. and that was yes you are sealed from the mark, etc..and immediately I ask God Why…and all of the sudden Rev 12:5 became very clear and I asked my questions and He answered. Now it took me about 4 days to figure it all out…but that was when I was told that I was. I can only assume the rest are being told as we speak. I was told that I would be here after the rapture. So, for me to answer you I can only answer what I know. and that is there really is a rapture, when it is and I will be left. and the overcomers that make the rapture are the ones taken.

  179. This was a great article below you posted…..one thing the Lord did tell me was that the “Man” and the “child” are two separate groups. The Child ( overcomers) is caught up to the throne in the rapture and the Man(144,000) is sealed for protection for the final 3.5 years. It is sad so many in the church have no clue what is getting ready to happen. I even actually have spoken with about 5 pastors and they looked at me like I was nuts…literally. They could not even comment except to say this…” Now you do know that you were supposed to call the department of human services on your son when he whipped his child right?”…As last spring in 2011 that is what sent me to my knees, my son took all of his anger of all that he endured with the sexual abuse out on his son and whipped him way to hard and left bruises where he should not have. So YES, I actually did turn them in and that is what led to all the last almost 2 years of seeking God, that it was going to another generation the sin of what happened to my son. Not him sexually abusing his son but physically abusing. He had not done this before but I knew it was going to esculate so I turned him in. That made his wife very angry, but my son told me I was right and he was going to change everything about his life and by golly, the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ did just that…But, the thing is NOT one pastor said Debbie, I too believe the time is near. Not ONE COMMENT. One pastor I emailed as I watched a sermon on line where he begged his congregation to seek the Lord with ALL their heart and “who knows….you might even have a supernatural experience witht he Holy Spirit”…well..I emailed him a littel of my story and asked him could I come please have an appt with him. He REFUSED. He told me he could not literally take the time to meet with me. I even told him I would wait as long as it took. You see, I was trying to figure all this out and had not had anyone to help me and then finally I said Ok, God…it’s you and me. I had not been in a church regularly since my son was 7 since it was a deacon in my church that was one of the ones that sexually abused him. Of couse I could never prove it…but the Lord did reveal he was one of them. I suspected it years ago and even confronted them…the hung up the phone on me, changed churches and of course my son was in so many hospitals all I could focus on was getting him well. So I have been turned off on churches ever since. I did find this man again…after the Lord revealed it to me and he works on staff for a very large church in my area. I confronted himaain after 22 years…well..I actually harassed him:-) went to his pastor…and all. One of the pastors at his church literally “stopped his ears” and told me he did not want to hear it. so, my experience with churches is not good.

    http://parablesblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/ascension-of-manchild-part-1.html

  180. Shelby…this article from above was amazing…in many placed the Holy
    Spirit literally about lept out of my stomach!!!

    http://www.heart4god.ws/index_htm_files/The%20Supernatural%20Character%20of%20Coming%20Days.pdf

  181. tony tarr

    ready up,……………..to Shine!

  182. tony tarr

    me n My dog run around wiff Jesus!,………everyday,…and at night on the backroads and in them woods

  183. tony tarr

    …….me, sam, and I AM,…………………………sam i am! he is a heart throb,..love of my life. i thank God continuously.

  184. tony tarr

    Jesus’ future bride will be beyond compare. The marriage supper of the Lamb, as souls igniting with the Love of God in the fullness of His Glory. My dog is gonna be there, Shelby!

  185. tony tarr

    ……..”beyond compare”……………..we rejoice Lord, your Love blows us away like nuthin known to man. Thank you Father

  186. tony tarr

    Deb, you amaze me,…….and excitedly inspire me as your innocence touches me so deeply. Thank you, Bless you!//////// Also, good article reference, Shelby. i love it!

  187. Wait a minute here!!!! this sounds like ‘the Manifest Sons of God and Latter Rain heretical movement!!

    Little god’s, little christ’s ?

    From the sounds of it you guys are pregnant.

    Is this not what the new ager’s are prompting for this coming “birth “of the cosmic christ?

    Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils” (1 Tim 4:1)

    Wow where has the gift of discement gone? I say this in much agape love and out of deep concern for our little group here.

    Deb you have still not answered my question and to be honest I would prefer you not to as I would have to come back and refute that as well :)

  188. tony tarr

    i mean to tell ya,…strong delusion is a comin’,…….but i can assure you that IF you ARE abiding in Christ Jesus then you are surely SEALED w/ the spirit of TRUTH, the Holy Spirit will keep you from falling prey to the Charade. Ask, Seek. Knock and believe and Trust in the Jesus of the Bible and in the Gospel of Truth and repentance. Stand Firm in the sacrafical LAMB OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST, who died for you and your Salvation rests in Him and Him ALONE thru HIS PRECIOUS BLOOD that was shed for you. Do not deviate from this TRUTH. Put yourself under the blood. Stick with JESUS CHRIST Son of God , the word become flesh,…the Great example and THE GREAT EXCEPTION. There is no other.

  189. tony tarr

    fear not and be not deceived,…Praise His Holy name. WORSHIP HIM and give HIM HONOR. Stay intimate with Him thru prayer and hold fast to His word and His promises. Be not anxious,……rest in HIM

  190. tony tarr

    lean not upon your OWN understanding. Surrender to His infinite wisdom. Trust in His care and be at peace

  191. tony tarr

    nothing can seperate us from the love of Christ. GREATER IS HE THAT IS IN ME than he who is in the world. KEEP THE FAITH,….the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD will KEEP YOU

  192. tony tarr

    CRY OUT TO HIM

  193. tony tarr

    the cosmic christ is no match for THE TRUTH. KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE. Stay grounded in it, Gods Word, the Holy Bible and put on the armor of God./////// Thanks Colleen

  194. tony tarr

    HAPPY NEW YEAR,…its midnight,….be blessed

  195. So…I do not have any idea how you want the question answered then….I only answer what I know, I don’t add anything to make anyone happy or please anyone. I ONLY tell the truth. What do you want to know specifically then if I keep answering your question wrong. I cannot answer for the others out there nor pretend I can. I can only answer for what the Lord as shown me, that is all. God does not always work in ways that the world calls “normal”. I will not deny what He has done for me to please any man. I will not take away or add to what He has done for me nor the manner in which He does it. If I will not deny Christ and what He has done for me for my own family I surely will not for anyone. You know when my son was 7 and I was still in the church I was constantly seeking for the truth of what was wrong with my son. That was before I knew what had happened to him and he had not had his first hospitalization. And a lady I knew had a man come to my home with the spirit of discernment…He had no clue what had been going on with my son and walked in my house and immediately told me the demon of homosexuality was after my son. Even being a “babe” in Christ I “knew” this person knew what they were talking about although I had never even heard of the gifts of the spirit. It was a very “strange” thing for me to be around that. But even back then the demons were making toys move in my apartment and I without even knowing I “could” say it….I said flee satan in the name of Jesus, and the toy car stopped immediately and then started back up and I commanded it again.( remote control car that had been broken for over a year was turning it’s wheels in the carpet by itself without batteries). Well…I was petrified as I had never in my entire life known anything like that could happen and that a “demon” could do it. But I never doubted that satan was out there ever since then. I was a brand new Christian without a clue of anything that could really go on. Well…24 years later by george Jesus Christ won this battle…you have no clue the chains I broke in my family with Jesus Christ as my helper. You have only heard a minor portion of my story. I broke the chains of sexual sins for many generations but it started before last year. A story I will not share the details. So, I will just say to you, I don’t care if you believe all I have said…Jesus Christ has redeemed me, my son, his children and other family members and the chains have been broken, and we have been set free!!! I am rejoicing and NOTHING or anyone can hold me back from giving Jesus Christ ALL the glory and He honored my faith as all these years I have always claimed his promises even as I hung on by a thread, as I watched my son lie on a hospital bed after his last suicide attempt and did not wake up for days…I NEVER gave up…I told Jesus I would claim what He promised and that was for all to be healed of what has happened. 25 years of never giving up, I kept the tiny faith of a mustard seed and He honored that for me!!! He gets all the glory. I will not back down for what I am saying to you today. Get ready for a great ride! It is time and THANK YOU JESUS.

    Happy New Year…2013 is going to be the year of redemption!! Praise His Holy Name!!

  196. Shelby I am reading the book…I agree with it all so far and am halfway thru…

    http://www.heart4god.ws/index_htm_files/The%20Remnant%20Bride.pdf

  197. Deb you may want to take your doctrine elsewhere, it is not sound nor are the details you share about your life and the demonic activities that you describe either. I say this in much agape love.

    We are NOT the 144.000 nor the MAN CHILD and pray that those reading will not be seduced into thinking that.

    You don’t have to “care” what me or anybody else thinks of you, it’s only the Lord Jesus Christ that you need to be concerned about right :)

    I am sure that many godly people have tried to correct you in what you are saying is from ” God” and have come against a defiant resistance from you , so I chose not to continue any correspondence with you as my spirit is not only grieved, it is deeply concerned for our little place of fellowship here. If I’m in error by what I see, then the Lord Jesus Christ will reveal that to me- He has promised that in His word.

    Okay so here is the litmus test….let’s see how many of us here are left behind after your
    1/26/13 rapture of the ( child) date shall we ?

    I’m convinced that over the years I’ve known this group…we will all be gone …YIPPIIEEEE :) and yes we have counted ALL things as dung for Christ and the sufferings and loss of all that the world offers,,,so that ” qualifies” us right . That’s rhetorical :)

    Wow what a time to be alive.
    Shalom and agape.
    Colleen

  198. I shall shake the dust off my feet and move on then…
    Again, no offense:-)
    Pray Luke 21:36….as scripture commands at this time.

    Shelby/Tony…thanks so much for all of your suggestions/wisdom.

    In Jesus Christ name only…

    Debbie

  199. Vic

    Okay, it looks like missed out on most of this conversation and it will take a time to run through all these comments. I do trust Hisown’s discernment, so I believe that what was discussed by Deb was mostly not the Gospel truth. I did read one of Debs comments and the red flag went up for me when she talked about the demon of homosexuality being after her 7 year old son.

    Now that is utter nonsense and adding to the Word. Homosexuality is a sin Deb, not a demon. To look for a demon behind every sin is to blame someone else for your sin. I wish people will stop casting out demons of sins and rather just repent the old fashioned way.

    It’s time to get back to the Bible in the old fashioned way.

  200. Dankie Vic, ek het begin worrie dat hy miskien al klaar in die wegraaping weg is :)

    Thank-you Deb, I dust my feet off as well and REFUSE to be partaker of this unclean thing.We refute the demonic teaching’s of the latter day ” manifest son’s of Glory ” and have in the past banned a brother from this site when he started prompting the likes of Rick Joyner .

    We are NOT the 144000- or as you assume-” become” these after the rapture of the ” child” ( Vic and I were set free from a cult that holds the 144000 view as well ) and we’ve HAVE NOT REPLACED Israel- Israel is the man-child right :)

    I can’t stand these ” men” that believe they will RULE the nations with a “ROD” and will bring things into subjection… mmm sounds a lot like the NAR to me.A very sensitive subject for me on a personal level so that’s why you guys see my passion in showing the danger of this :)

    I’ve been studying Joshua and loved how the Lord commanded him to tell God’s children NOT to defile themselves LEST THEY TO feel the affects of that sin?

    Joshua 6:18-19 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.

    Num 16:26 — And he spake unto the congregation, saying, Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men, and touch nothing of theirs, lest ye be consumed in all their sins.

    There is a ” spiritual birth” coming guys, but it ain’t the birth of something holy or from the Spirit of Christ. Satan knows his time is short and I promise to pray for Deb and her tormented son. I humbly believe we are about to enter into these dark deceptive days and pray that we will have the Word of God written on our hearts to be able to stand in courage and boldness.

    The reason I was adamant to stop this in it’s tracks is that many come to this site for TRUTH and by us allowing this ” strange ” stuff to carry on makes us partaker of such. How can we as a group fellowship with each other if there is confusion and heretical doctrine. God forbid!

    1Cr 14:33 — For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

    2Ti 1:7 — For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

    So counting down we have 24 days left before Deb has declared the rapture of the ” child” will happen (1/26/13 ) and one of my concerns was posed in a pretty simple question -WILL the REST of the world know that these have been raptured ( just a plain yes or no) and WILL the REST of the “MANCHILD” KNOW they are the um… eerrr 144000?

    This I do know. We are about to see massive delusions take place all around us and the Lord is calling us to stand on guard in these dark days.

    I will stand corrected when come this date…you guys are all gone ” poof” !

    I don’t have time to read this before I post, so plz forgive the errors and I’m sure the “frustration” that is clearly evident!

  201. tony tarr

    don’t forget,……..unapproachable light,…………………………………..is approaching! stay sealed in JESUS CHRIST ……. we shall OVERCOME. the antichrist is moving into position and The Spirit of Truth that dwells within us is ready and waitin’,…unafraid. Surrender to the Holy Spirit within you / over self,…in the same way we have surrendered to Grace / over the law! NEW WINE…in NEW WINESKINS

  202. tony tarr

    Perfect Love [ The Spirit Of Truth Within Us ] casts out All fear. ,….in the spirit, there is no fear. its only in the flesh. Die to it and REJOICE in His rest. Let go,….and let God. Be still…………………………………and know that I AM GOD!

  203. tony tarr

    All Praise and Honor are yours Lord,…….and when YOU are Glorified, my heart is satisfied, as i rest like a baby

  204. Justasheep

    I’ve missed a lot of this conversation as well. I’ve take a bit of a break from reading posting on prophecy in order to focus on things in my home. I agree with Vic and Hisown – Deb I’d suggest you seek out some better bible teachers, and focus on Christ not these other teachings about demons and such nonsense which does NOT come from scripture. Throw out the books that are giving you some other modern prophecy, or some other “word from the Lord”. It is a word alright but it is most certainly not from the Lord. Remember that “God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.”
    (2 Timothy 1:7 ESV) If someone is teaching you things that make you fear the devil or his demons that is not from God. We should not fear anything that powers in this life, or the powers of the prince of this world can do to us since they can only destroy the body – but fear him who has the authority to cast you into hell (Luke 12:4-5) – in case you didn’t know that is Christ alone and not anyone else. If you belong to him none of those others can do anything to you, nor should you have anything to do with them for nothing can separate us from the love of God (Romans 8:38-39)

  205. Shelby

    i’m not putting my faith in Deb’s date or this Elijah person since God has not spoken to me about that. And God has not spoken to me personally about the man-child. What I can relate to is feeling the annointing of the Holy Spirit. And I can relate to God speaking to me about the 144.000-in a dream. Others are having these dreams too along with seeing these same strange signs with numbers.

    The links I posted speak nothing of being little gods. They speak of the Holy Spirit living in us. And supernatual experiences.

    I have no problem believing in the supernatural because I have experienced it. Years ago, I was flying full speed on a very large heavy four wheeler. All of a sudden I hit some ruts in the trail and the four wheeler started shaking violently out of control. I don’t remember the accident, the last thing I remember it was shaking violently as was going full speed. Next thing I know I’m pinned under it off to the side of the trail and I couldn’t get it off me. It was upside down on top of me as I’m laying on the ground and I couldn’t budge it off because it was way too heavy. It wasn’t crushing me but as heavy as it was I should have felt the pressure of it but there was no pressure. I yelled “God send your angels to get this off of me!”. All of a sudden it was 10 ft away from me back on the trail, right side up and facing towards the direction of my house. I didn’t have one scratch bruise or bump on me. I was totally fine. How does that happen? It was supernatural. I had no helmet on and naturally I should have been hurt. I was shaken up because it was amazing. I drove home very slow:)

  206. andre' leibee

    i can relate shelby. have had something happen to me that has absolutely no explanation except that it was God being God. directly in answer to a cry of my heart. my confidence is in the God of the Supernatural-of the Bible-Who has never changed—there is only One (but many counterfeits) and praise God He is living in me. have studied to find in the greek language that the Spirit ministers to believers in these ways: He is para-”with”(sometimes comes alongside even unbelievers though not in them)He is en-”in”(the born again)-and He comes epi-”upon”(those being sanctified). He is the same Spirit of old and new testament and He is active in the world. i am aware of manifest sons of God teaching that twists the Scripture-yet another man-centered theology. all i know is-is that God promises to guide us in these last days and believers who are surrendered in their will to His-walking in His Spirit will be provided His leading and guidance, ability and strength as needed. i hold on loosely to peoples “experiences” or “prophesies” though i trust that God has all the ability and discretion to do as He pleases with any of us–but He will never step away from Scripture-His Logos and His Rhema-His Will according to the Scripture-in word or deed or spirit-that He Alone be glorified before men.

  207. Shelby

    Thanks Andre. I would say more like 25 to 30 ft away is where God or His angels placed the four wheeler. Back up on the trail a good distance from where I was laying on the ground.

  208. tony tarr

    how does it feel to be, one of the beautiful people,…cleansed by His blood and called aside,…chosen

  209. Shelby , ( Snippets From The Article You Posted ) you’re quoting that sends red flags
    DECEMBER 31, 2012 – 8:46 PM
    In Revelation chapter 12 we see a great parable declared in the heavens. The woman, who is the church, gives birth to a manchild who is caught up to the throne of God. This manchild then returns to feed the woman in the wilderness. The woman must receive the truths of the kingdom and come to understand the necessity of suffering in order to be perfected. She will then be prepared to embrace and experience her own trials even as the manchild company experienced theirs.

    http://parablesblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/ascension-of-manchild-part-1.html

    From the link you provided ( the red flags ) My question’s posed in ( )

    What is about to occur?

    ” It is the appearing of Christ IN HIS SAINTS.”

    ( God APPEARS IN HIS SAINTS?- GLORIFIED YES, NOT “IN” ( AS LITTLE GODS ? NO )

    “Those who do not hold in their heart the hope that they will be like Christ, manifesting His glory, will surely fail to prepare themselves by submitting to the fiery trials God would lead them through and by taking up a cross daily to follow where Christ would lead them.”

    ( LIKE CHRIST? OR BE CONFORMED INTO THE IMAGE OF CHRIST? THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE )

    “Most of the church today only confesses that Christ came in the flesh 2,000 years ago. They do not comprehend that the true gospel of the kingdom is that Christ must be fully formed in each one of His elect, and called out ones. Galatians 4:19
    My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you…”

    ( This a clearly a TWISTING of scripture. The author uses misuses verses like these to CONvince the reader that they will BE LIKE GOD )

    ” It is time for the people of God to be led out into the wilderness. God will have a bride prepared for His Son, and all the filth and impurity of the present church must be cleansed that she might be made ready for the marriage supper of the Lamb. First, however, a manchild must ascend. This event is at the door. Yahshua is coming quickly to appear IN HIS SAINTS. The manchild must be caught up to the throne in order to see clearly through God’s own eyes. They must receive power and authority even as Moses did in order to guide the people of God through the wilderness.”

    ( This CLEARLY reeks of the NAR – men ( and eerr woman) who want to RULE AND REIGN here on earth as they ” guide the rest of the church” IN POWER AND AUTHORITY- these men/woman dear Shelly is what the WORD of God plainly states- that these men will KILL you thinking they are doing a God a service)

    I would love to have the time to refute the danger’s but don’t. So please those who don’t know the depths of this dangerous and diabolical agenda, you may want to start here*

    These power hungry men (eer little gods ) that love the thought of RULING over the church in DOMINION and POWER is something that I refuse to bend my knee to and pray that we will have the courage to stand up against these self proclaimed ” prophets’.

    There is a hierarchy in NAR that resembles the Roman Catholic Church. Once world dominion is accomplished, those at the top level will have apostolic authority over other ministries. Are you seeing the danger yet? This could mean literally thousands of ministries with so-called apostles and prophets at the helm! Every person will have an apostle or prophet to whom they are accountable.

    Shelby we are NOT the 144000 and we have NOT replaced the Jews.

    I need to go pray :)

    *http://www.newswithviews.com/West/marsha197.htm

    *http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/dominionism.htm

  210. andre' leibee

    thanks Hisown. deception is massive these days and getting even more slippery………was only aware of this teaching and it’s dominionism but did not know it was taking things that far.

  211. Shelby

    Not familiar with NAR dominionism new age little gods. Like Kenneth Copeland? Joseph Herrin is not associated with that.

    Colleen asks…
    ( God APPEARS IN HIS SAINTS?- GLORIFIED YES, NOT “IN” ( AS LITTLE GODS ? NO )

    2 thess 1:10 KJV
    When He shall come to be glorified *IN his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

    Colleen asks…
    ( LIKE CHRIST? OR BE CONFORMED INTO THE IMAGE OF CHRIST? THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE )

    1 John 3:2 KJV
    Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be *LIKE him; for we shall see him as he is.

    Know ye not that ye are the temple of God and the spirit of Christ lives IN you?

  212. Shelby

    ( AS LITTLE GODS ? NO )

    correct, no little gods

  213. debvaughn

    Shelby, I just wanted to come back to your site and thank you for sending me to Joseph Herrin’s site. I have read this book…and many of his writings. I find so far nothing that he personally writes backed up by scripture to be non biblical. I actually can relate to him a lot and have discerned scripture so much as he has. I have not read all on his site so who knows there may be something I don’t agree with or something I am not versed on but I am enjoying all I have read thus far, and the Holy Spirit moves in me as I read and has not told me to not read his writings as of yet. So thank you so much. I believe he is a true man of God being led by the Holy Spirit that seeks only truth and that is my goal as well.

    I won’t say anymore other than THANK YOU SO MUCH. His articles are a breath of fresh air.

  214. debvaughn

    well…read this book …and many more of his shorter articles. I do have a minor difference of interpretation of the “man child”…than he does but other than that minor difference of how we have discerned this… he is totaly seeking truth based on scripture.

    http://www.heart4god.ws/index_htm_files/The%20Remnant%20Bride.pdf

  215. debvaughn

    Also…I tried to figure out your message above to Vic Colleen…

    Dankie Vic, ek het begin worrie dat hy miskien al klaar in die wegraaping weg is

    So far this is what I translated it to..makes no sense to me but then again, maybe I translated the words wrong.?

    Also, the beginning worrie that he perhaps already done in the rapture way is.

  216. Deb this is not Shelby’s site :) It belong to Vic ( Wickus )

    Translation “programs” don’t work that well Deb. Don’t worry about, it’s a inside joke :)

    Maybe you and Deb can start your own site with the teachings of Joseph Herrin. :)

    I don’t have the time to get into a tit for tat and pray that the reader will make up their own minds as they visit the page you keep prompting here.

    Counting down till the 26th :)

  217. I am counting too….almost only 22 days…and I am praying for everyone I know….the burden is heavy. Pray for all those you know that may not know the Lord. I don’t care about our differences in beliefs on scripture. I love Jesus, you love Jesus and I just care about lost souls.

  218. J.Herrin wrote :

    “Just as God did 2,000 years ago, He has given signs in the heavens. I have written of these signs, one phenomenal one which occurred on December 1, 2008, less than two weeks ago. He has also been speaking to a remnant by dreams and visions and prophetic words of what is about to occur. Yet the majority of the church have their eyes turned downward. They are caught up in the daily pursuit of this world system. They are concerned about carnal matters; the failing economy, their next expenditure, how they will celebrate Christmas. They are not listening to the voice of the Spirit, and if most of them heard these things spoken to them they would not believe.

    What is about to occur?

    It is the appearing of Christ IN HIS SAINTS.

    II Thessalonians 1:10
    When He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed…”

    An un-discerning person would read that and say…”mmmmm Christ is about to APPEAR IN HIS SAINTS”!! ( making them like little ” christ’s ) YES God is GLORIFIED in us, but He will not APPEAR in us :)

    Also Shelby could you please share with us who you think the 144000 are.

    Love and shalom.

  219. Deb the heaviness has been a burden many of us here have been bearing since 2006 and as I’ve mentioned before, most of us here have counted all things a dung for Christ. If there is ever a group of people that have ” died to self” or have forsaken all for Christ , then you have come to the right place.If these believers are not raptured on the 26th then something is horribly wrong.

    Just sayin :)

  220. You know…I had been heavy hearted since my 7 year old many years ago was molested by a pervert and I have to be honest….did not “die to self” till almost 2 years ago when this journey of healing began. I cannot say i have been watching since 2006 as you all either. I only woke up to this 2 years ago. But I can say, the Lord has worked miracles in his life and it is apparent by the “fruit of his spirit” and mine as well. I will not say I have been the Christian I should have been all these years since giving my life to the Lord 29 years ago. I was a lukewarm Christian. Claimed to be “His” but did not act like it. I for sure would have been spewed out of his mouth. I am just thankful for His saving grace and from where He brought me from….out of the miry clay. God will reward you all for being faithful watchers. Seems most are asleep these days as I was before this journey began.

  221. tony tarr

    keep the faith,….ask, seek, knock …….stay in touch with the Father through Jesus,…pray unceasingly

  222. God has been purging His floor for some time now.

    Mat 3:12 — Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaffwith unquenchable fire.

    Faith tried and tested in fire.

    Rev 3:18 — I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and thatthe shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

    Purified and purged to offer unto the Lord in righteousness.

    Mal 3:3 — And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

    Nothing hidden.

    1Cr 3:13 — Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.

    The purpose to bring GLORY and PRAISE and HONOUR to Christ- period!

    1Pe 1:7 — That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

    Guy’s there is a massive ( flood?) of ” prophesies that are flooding the net concerning the the next two weeks and was sent another one this morning asking to discern the spirit behind it.The latest one is the date of Obama’s Inauguration day (the 20th) and that the bottomless pit is about to be opened up on that day releasing the demonic forces on Mystery Babylon.( praise God though that people are at least seeing America for who she really is )

    So which is it the rapture of the ( worthy ones) the AOD ( a few days later according to Dewey ) or satan falling from the skies and the 42 month trib starting the 21-22 March?

    I’m not being facetious guys but we all know that something evil cometh our way and as the Holy Spirit prepares us for a time as none other we need to be on guard against the wiles of the enemy . He is spitting mad as he knows his time is short and is seeking whom he can devour!

    I got ‘em five smooth stones ready :)

    /

  223. Sorry Vic/Rob please delete the double post :(

    Posted ” on the run ” again as usual.

  224. This is the VERY reason for our purging.

    All praise and honour and glory to Him that sit’s on the throne for He alone is worthy!

    Rev 19:7 — Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

    /

  225. Shelby

    Isaiah 60:1-3
    “Arise, shine; for your light has come, and the glory of Yahweh has risen upon you. For behold, darkness will cover the earth and deep darkness the peoples; But Yahweh will rise upon you and His glory will appear upon you. Nations will come to your light, and kings to the brightness of your rising.”

  226. tony tarr

    It’ll shine when it shines…………………………..GLORY to GOD!

  227. 1Jo 3:2 — Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

    It is well with my soul. Thank-you Father God :)

    Dan 12:10 — Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

  228. Guys,

    I wanted to share a powerful truth clip from a sister in Christ sent me this morning and wanted to share that with you guys.

    Counting down the days till the 26th :)

  229. Sorry for posting on the “go” again :) Ooopps!

  230. Love it….yes, repent means as well “turn from”. I praise the Lord for his thumb in my back to actually turn from my wicked ways as scripture tells us. It was not until then he blessed me.

    And yep, time is short:-)…for some that is going to be glorious and others…well, we know what scripture says about the last days.

  231. So Deb if you believe you’re not going to be one of these that are raptured up in glory as the first fruits or ( the “chosen ones that died to self “as you’ve expressed countless times before) why did you not make yourself ” ready”?

    I mean it’s been two yrs now that you’ve came to the fulness of this understanding correct? If I’m understanding you correctly, do you feel you have not suffered sufficiently to be counted ” worthy” ?

    Been reflecting on this chapter the past day or two :)

    1Pe 4:1 — Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

    Let’s not forget verse 2 :)

    1Pe 4:2 — That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

    Not to focus on who has suffered more and almost ” boast ” in that, but there is nothing we can do to make us ” worthy”. He alone will get the glory and praise on that day , for He is NO respecter of man. Amen and amen.

    I find the more He crushes me, the more His beauty is revealed. Don’t you just love that!

    Isa 48:11 — For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

    1Cr 2:2 — For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

  232. debvaughn

    I will never feel worthy. And He has told me I will be part of the “Man” of the Man child. I do not say this boastful just answering your question. He has told me I will be part of the 144,000 sealed with the seal of God spreading the message of Jesus during the 3.5 final years of tribulation.

    I know you do not have the same discernment as I on the 144,000 and that is ok by me as I am only here as you to seek His face and to fall to my knees in thankfulness for His saving grace.

  233. Oh LORD, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? who shall dwell in thy holy hill?

    David lists eleven “traits” of those who are worthy :)

    Psalms 15.

    God has promised to show me if I’m otherwise ” minded” (about the 144000 ) right :)

    Phl 3:15 — Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

    I love His word. It cut’s to the very core and issues of life.

  234. We seem to have two ” jesus” camps in the ” church” today ( note the little “j”)

    1) The “tickle my fancy” jesus. Lives in a defiant resistance to repent of a unholy lifestyle and despises anyone that will try to call them to accountability.They have become their own ” god’s” in a way as they refuse to submit “I, ME and MYSELF” to THE GREAT I AM.

    (Guys please see Bro Brian’s powerful post today on the Saul syndrome!!)

    2) I am promised by jesus that because I AM an ELITE “Christian” ( perfected through the coming sufferings of the tribulation) I can obtain immortality BEFORE the ” second ” rapture. These ” impregnated elite’s ” believe they will one day very soon become “incarnate” like Christ and bring the whole ” church ” into subjection .

    God forbid that I bend this knee to any man , I defiantly refuse :)

    There is a ” birth” of something coming and it ain’t going to be holy or from the Spirit of the true Christ and that my dear friends is what we all need to guard against !

    Let’s stand on the words of Christ in these days of massive rebellion and diabolical deception. It is our only anchor and truth as men are being drawn and enticed away from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.

    Matthew 18

    At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

    2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

    3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    I love that!

  235. The Lord led me to Jude this morning as well as a deeper understanding to what His word warns of when men HOLD TRUTH IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS – Romans 1 :18

    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness.

    Pastor David explains the sad reality of what “LASCIVIOUSNESS” means and how men have used ” grace” to live a life that clearly describes the Laodicean church we are in.

    Turning the Grace of God into Lasciviousness by David Wilkerson

  236. andre' leibee

    thank you sweet sister. wilkerson told things straight and why my heart readily receives a word from him because he sticks with the Word of God-long and short of that. man shall not live by bread alone but by every Word of God. matt 4:4 and also luke 4:4. the Lord bless you for standing with the Truth in Righteousness. i love you and best of all—Jesus loves you :)

  237. Oh thank-you my beloved sis Andre . You always show true genuine agape love that is never hypocritical or fake. It shows!

    Here is another powerful message for the days we are in and find his sermons to be more “powerful” now that he has been taken up to glory :) Even if you only listen to the last few the last few minutes of this sermon it will bless your socks off!

    ” Only 40 days after seeing God work, the children of Israel (after being sanctified ) followed after IDOLS.”
    ……and the people sat down to eat and to drink, and rose up to play.

    IDOLATRY.

    1Cr 10:7 — Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written,The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

    From point : 42:00 from Pastor David.

    http://media.sermonindex.net/15/SID15404.mp3

  238. Okay guys where did you all go? ;)

    Is it just me but are any of you “experiencing” (for lack of a better word) a outpouring of God’s Spirit in your lives like never before or am I just being overly excited by what He is doing in the body of believers in my personal life right now? Almost everyday there is some powerful affirmation or scriptural confirmation that is building our faith up in more ways than one :)

    Aren’t you just lovin Bri Brian’s powerful posts as well lately! :)

  239. Justasheep

    Absolutely! An outpouring of the Spirit like never before, and it seems like every increasing spiritual attacks. It feels deep inside me that we are ever approaching very critical days where are faith will be tested, believers faith will be tested like silver in the furnace. So many places it already is – we know that all that have put their trust in him will not be put to shame (I think even if they are not at acknowledging the hour now), and some will probably surprise us that we thought were brothers and sisters but are no more saved than was Judas Iscariot.

  240. Shelby

    And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

    Luke 18
    9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

    13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

    14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

  241. Shelby

    luke 7:47
    Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little

  242. Mr Sheep your post blessed me beyond words as I try to gasp the painful reality of the Judas and Cain’s in my own life :( Unbelievable!

    Jealousy sure makes one nasty !! ( I wonder if part of satan’s rebellion was envy as well?)

    1Jo 3:12 — Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother’s righteous.

    Shelby do you believe that Satan has been cast out already?

    The reason I ask is almost a year ago( March 29th ) I e-mailed Vic and Mr Sheep a dream I had about evil descending on our earth and because I had never in my 20 yr walk with Christ shared anything outside of the cannon of scripture like that, it freaked me out as well :),,,nah not really.

    The Lord has been confirming ” ICHABOD” since 2007 so why are we surprised.It is the remnant’s finest hour and I’m loving how He has counted us worthy for these appointed times.

    Nathan Leal is proclaiming a pretty serious message for the 21′st of this month and was wondering if that is why you quoted the ” for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.” verse?

  243. tony tarr

    faith without works is ____

  244. “Agape love” is the faith litmus test :)

    Agape love always seeks the welfare and benefit of others.

    Agape love is loving the Lord God God with all thy heart with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

    Tony it is LOVE that drives us to test the spirit’s, prove if they are of God and to warn the flock of the wolves that enter and to sound the alarm when danger approaches.

    God also gives all of us ( in the body ) certain gifts for the edification / functioning so that we can all come to the fulness of the faith :)

    Eph 4:13 — Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    The measure of faith is a gift from His hand :)

    Rom 12:3 — For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

    The test :)

    Though I have “ALL FAITH” , so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing….

    1 Corinthians – Chapter 13

    Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned,[a] but have not love, it profits me nothing.

    4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

    8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.

    11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

    13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

  245. tony tarr

    like i said, _____ _______ _____ __ dead.

  246. Shelly

    Bible Character Study: King David

    King David is perhaps my favorite character in the Bible. He was known as a “man after God’s own heart” (1 Samuel 13:13-15) and yet he sinned miserably. Most people are aware of his sin with Bathsheba, and his futile attempts to cover up his sin. The attempt to cover his sin resulted in another sin: murder.
    How can a adulterer and a murderer be called a “man after God’s own heart?” I believe it is because when he failed, he repented and then turned back to God (see Psalm 51). I love the fact that this man who failed grievously could still be called a man after God’s own heart. This is good news for all of us who want to honor and please the Lord and yet fail in our Christian walk. And all of us fail!

    There is a lot to learn from the life of King David for Christians of all time, including now. Because of that, I’ve decided to write a series of articles on the life of David. Among other things, I’ll look at King David as a shepherd, King David as a singer, King David as a soldier, King David as a sinner, King David as a statesman, and King David as a sage.

    Why should I bother with such an extensive study on the life of King David? For numerous reasons! First of all, like David, I fail many times in my Christian walk, and yet I want to be known as a woman after God’s own heart. I want to learn what earned him that title, in spite of his miserable failures. I believe that my study of David will enrich my spiritual life, and that God will use it to enrich the spiritual lives of all who read it as well.

    There are several other reasons to study the life of King David. He started off in a humble manner. He seemed like a nobody, even to his family. But in spite of his humble beginnings, God saw fit to include massive amounts of information in the Bible on the life of King David. For instance, there are over 1,000 verses in the Bible about King David. More is written in the Bible about King David than many other famous Bible characters including Abraham and Moses. Believe it or not, there is more in the Bible about King David than there is about Jesus! Since the Bible devotes such a massive amount of information about King David, I believe it would serve us well to delve into his life and discover all we can about him, and how what we learn about King David can apply to our lives today.

    King David was also significant because he is part of the lineage of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Christ is, in fact, referred to as the “Son of David.” King David was also one of the few Bible characters who made it into the “Hall of Faith” in Hebrews 11. For all of these reasons and more, I believe King David is a man worth studying.

    I hope that you’ll join me on this journey as I delve into the life of the character in the Bible known as King David!

    http://voices.yahoo.com/bible-character-study-king-david-312939.html?cat=38Bible

  247. Thank-you Shelly :)

    Quick question. Is “Shelly” and “Shelby” the same sister in Christ?

    Let me repost my question to Shelby ( lest she missed it )

    Shelby do you believe that Satan has been cast out already?

    Blessings and agape.

  248. My thoughts on satan being cast out….because of what I believe on the Man Child and what is getting ready to happen next week, I believe that satan is getting ready to be kicked here very soon. Since satan goes after the woman which brought forth the Man child in Revelation 12:13 …he is kicked out right before that…which seems to be right after the “child is caught up” to the throne. He cannot devour the “child” obviously so he goes after the woman and the woman then flees…

  249. Hisown1

    The 26th right :)

  250. debvaughn

    Depends on if you count April 10th as a day..if not, then 75 days before that would be 1/25.He only told me the date of the abomination and that the rapture is 75 days before.

  251. tony tarr

    yhippie!

  252. Hisown1

    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try [test] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1).

    The Lord has been placing quite a number of “New Apostolic Reformation – Joel’s Army, Latter Rain, Manifest Sons of God” people into my life lately and am finding just how nasty they really can be when confronted with some pretty simple and basic questions.
    These who believe that the CHURCH “IS” CHRIST on earth (as I noted a few threads up in this discussion.)

    The Word of God states who we really are- “CHILDREN of God, the BODY of Christ, and the BRIDE of Christ”. NEVER “CHRIST” ON EARTH :) little messiah’s right – God forbid.

    From Marsha West’s excellant article- “DAMNABLE HERESIES INVADING THE CHURCH”

    http://www.conservativecrusader.com/articles/damnable-heresies-invading-the-church

    “Today there is a damnable heresy in the Church that many Christians haven’t yet heard of: The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) a.k.a. Dominionism/ Kingdom Now/Replacement Theology. Those who disagree with their false gospel must be removed through intense “spiritual warfare” and by raising up a “new breed “of Christian they call an “Army of God.”

    You may want to watch this *clip. Again please hear my heart. This knee REFUSES to bend to any of these men/woman whom ” claim” they are being called by ” God” to RESTORE THE CHURCH and BRING THE REST OS US INTO SUBJECTION before Christ returns.

    There is a spiritual “birthing “about to take place yes, but it ain’t holy !

    Are we about to witness a demonic explosion , I humbly believe so yes. Satan’s wrath is going to catch many ” off guard” and pray that when the “25th” passes and those here that I know live the “co-crucified life” are still around, we will all heed the warning of Christ. “Many will come in my name and deceive many”.

    One again if I may, let me re-post my original question a few posts back :)

    “Deb you said ” It is on January 26th… The time of the rapture is “at the door” and He is getting ready to open it. He did warn His people in the past when the time is at hand…he warned them of the VERY DAY it would happen.He told Noah when the door was to be shut and Lot when to leave the city with his family…and he has warned us now…the rapture is at hand. Prepare NOW.”

    So my question is, if the rapture does occur on this date, does that mean that those left behind will know that they are now the “144,000 and part of the ” man child”. I mean will they KNOW the rapture ( I assume of the 5 wise virgins) has taken place?

    If yes then how, and if not then why ? ( I pray you understand my South-African way of communication ) ”

    *
    http://vimeo.com/53829980

    In much agape love.

  253. Hisown1

    For the dark days we are in.These days are nothing in comparison to what we are about to enter into and pray that the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 1Pe 1:7

    Is it well…with your soul ?

  254. Hisown1

    Deb you said-
    “Depends on if you count April 10th as a day..if not, then 75 days before that would be 1/25.He only told me the date of the abomination and that the rapture is 75 days before.”

    Counting the day of the ” AOD” is irrelevant as the ” world “will know the significance of this event so let’s stick to your original date shall we.

    As I mentioned a few posts ago the Lord has blessed me with some of the most godliest woman on the face of this earth , one being my spiritual mom. A woman in her 70′s that has devoted her entire being to Christ and spends her days in hours of unselfish and devoted intercessory prayer for others. She’s never been married as the Lord called her as a young woman into full time ministry. Never have I met one so unselfish and devoted in her walk and choose to give her the honor of me calling her ” mom” because when I grow up- I want to be like her :)

    If she is still here by Sunday, then I have a problem ;)

  255. debvaughn

    well…it is going to happen. all I can say is I am in constant prayer. Since I know I will be here and I know I am protected I am in constant prayer for all loved ones. I do not know any of their hearts or what the Lord considers “worthy to escape all these things” so I just am praying the Holy Spirit will be speaking to them as He speaks to me…I wish for none to be left behind but of course we all know that is not how it happens so I am praying for all those that I love dearly to be drawn in a mighty way to the one and only Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

  256. Hisown1

    Deb no we don’t know the “heart of man” but you still seem to be avoiding my question so let me rephrase that if I may.( We South-African’s love to ask questions as I’m sure you have come to understand of me )

    How are you personally going to know that the ” secret rapture” has taken place of the worthy ones” ? and once this happens do the rest ( who are left behind) then KNOW they are now the ” 144,000″ ?

    If you say that the Holy Spirit is showing you that you will be one of those that is going to feed / nourish the “child” , will you be going to the mountains in Judea?(I’ve been to Israel and can testify that those mountains are pretty arid, even for a gun toting wanna b ” Deborah” safari gal :) )

    Please help me understand this because either way no man is able to test what you are saying unless there is a clarification of the above questions.

    Thank-you kindly in advance for your patience and my (forbearing) insistance.( Gal 5: 22)

    2Cr 4:2 — But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

  257. debvaughn

    I did not see a question in your post earlier…I apologize and actually still don’t see one. But..I will answer you to your post above as best as I can.

    You said:
    How are you personally going to know that the ” secret rapture” has taken place of the worthy ones” ? and once this happens do the rest ( who are left behind) then KNOW they are now the ” 144,000″ ?

    My reply:
    Well. my son will be gone, as the Lord has answers my prayers and he will be taken along with his wife and children. I am sure there will be others in my area that will be taken. I feel for sure there are some “worthy” ones where I live. So, when he is gone, I will know it has happened. I do not know if the “rest” know they are the 144,000. I only know that the Lord has told me. I cannot answer for them.

    You said:
    If you say that the Holy Spirit is showing you that you will be one of those that is going to feed / nourish the “child” , will you be going to the mountains in Judea?(I’ve been to Israel and can testify that thos
    e mountains are pretty arid, even for a gun toting wanna b ” Deborah” safari gal

    My reply:
    My “wilderness” is my home. Psalm 91 is my promise of protection in my own dwelling place along with whomever the Lord leads to me/my house. Those in Judea….will flee to those mountains. In the US…and I guess other countries maybe He has other places of “wilderness” like my home. I do not know that answer either. I only know what He has told me.

    Ok, I think I answered you as best I can for now, but if not or you have more questions, I will be more than happy to answer any as best I can.

  258. Hisown1

    Deb thank-you for answering my question :)

    Please do let us know about your son, his wife and children. I assume many other ” children ” will be taken as well right :)

    Love and prayers to you.

    In fear and trembling before the Lord.

  259. You should be gone so you won’t be here to read my post!! But I will post anyway for anyone that may see it after it happens that did get left behind that comes across this site. I can assure you though, the Lord answers the prayer of His own that do “fear and tremble” before Him. But…the first thing I am going to do after it happens is to get on my knees and thank Him for my son and his family being at the throne of God. Then I will post:-)

  260. Justasheep7

    This is exactly why I am extremely skeptical of anyone who makes the extraordinary claim of having received “a word from the Lord”. Yes – the Lord does speak to us with his word. It is our responsibility then to obey what he has said aided by the prompting of the Holy Spirit. I’m sorry but I am not convinced that I have read anyone who has posted here who has received a “word from the Lord” beyond that which is printed on the page of their very well worn Bible.

    I am not referring to the “five smooth stones” mentioned in other posts. I do believe the Holy Spirit can make us aware that particular scripture is of particular importance to us here and now, but it does not imply an extension of additional revelation beyond the word which is what I am seeing in some of the discussion above.

  261. It is ok….I am not asking anyone to believe me. I just thought I would be involved on a post on what the Lord is doing and the time we are in. It is ok. If you could see my bible:-)

  262. Hisown1

    I will re-post the verse’s I quoted a few posts above :)

    2Cr 4:2 — But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God.

    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try [test] the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1).

    Thank-you Mr Sheep for stepping in and standing ON THE TRUTH of God’s word.In my prior comment I had to delete my words ( quite a few times ) as they could have come across as being unloving and unkind.

    I begged the Lord for some ” back-up” as I felt I was the only one that was trying to share the danger here. Thank-you Rob.

    Deb please hear my heart. I believe you are being deceived and even though your comment was so sweet, as Paul expressed I too am “the chief ” of sinners and would prefer NOT TO GO IF MY BRETHREN are left behind to suffer though the 42 mon trib.

    You see I don’t abandon the ship. In South -Africa I was once the young widow of a Police Chief and praise God for those years of learning from him . After his death the ” school of suffering” has taught me to stand in the very dark days that are before us.God is so perfect in His Sovereign ways and give Him all the praise for teaching me lessons I would never have had if my husband was not taken from us at such a young age :(

    Please let me clarify. If anyone reading here thought that I BELIEVED that there is going to be a secret rapture of the “elect ones” this week-end , then they really don’t know me at all.

    God calls us to season our lips and I had to guard my own lest the sin of sarcasm came out and hereby defiling many.

    Col 4:6 — Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

  263. debvaughn

    No worry, agree to disagree:-)

    I love you all as sisters and brothers in Jesus Christ.

    Debbie

  264. andre' leibee

    i have to agree with justasheep and Hisown deb. nothing personal at all….have thought why-when there are folks here with like hearts and minds who seek the Lord for His Wisdom and Understanding-who pour over God’s Word and pray for any revelation He is willing to share-then why do they receive no confirmation as you have said you have deb–why are you so exclusive to have heard (?) from the Lord about these mysteries and others have not? again no offense intended. will it glorify the Lord if what you say proves false?…no it will not. God never has “egg” on His Face and wants us to be careful and humble with His Word so as not to besmirch His Good name. i think it possible that your intentions may be right but your “hearing” is wrong. maybe the Lord was speaking to other things in your life that you misinterpreted (?) forgive me if i am the one who is wrong here–i just want to clearly understand things myself…..

  265. Again, I really do understand where you are coming from. I can say I don’t have a good answer or really I guess any answer for you. You are right, my intentions are so of Christ. So, I really don’t think it is even necessary for me to try to convince you as you are all such God seekers. That is the only important thing. Thanks for your positive feedback even though we are not in agreement. I think like I said..we ALL love Jesus.

  266. tony tarr

    i like gavin finleys site,…endtimepilgrim.,…..The Bozrah Deliverence section is quite interesting! MY GOD,…bless you all

  267. This may be a bit premature in my asking before this day ends, but Deb has your son , his wife and children been raptured yet ?

    Please know that I’m not being sarcastic or trying to belittle you in anyway, but this group has walked a path for quite a number of years now and we are all very well aware of the dangerous times we are about to enter into. God has been preparing us for a very long time now , individually and as a group. We are jealous for His word and the finality thereof. We guard against anything that may cause someone weaker in the faith to stumble when discussions such as this one is proven false.

    As you can tell we are still here and pray that you will lovingly receive my concern and gentle rebuke.

    We love you Deb and please know that you are in my prayers.

    The KEY to holiness = L O V E :)

    Hbr 12:14 — Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

  268. I just want to say thank you for your prayers. And obviously, I have been decieved and I am not afraid to say it. I can say though I have done nothing but seek the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth just like scripture says. I am going to be in great prayer asking the Lord to show me how I was/am being deceived.

    Thank you so much and please pray for Him to enlighten my eyes to nothing but TRUTH …I am devastated…not because I am not “right” but because i seek the Lord only and try to listen to His voice only and I can now consider myself in the “deceived elect” group.

  269. Deb I love you,,,,my heart is ripped out for you and KNOW that the words you typed were out of sincerity and HUMILITY. Thank-you for that. This blesses me more than what you can even begin to imagine.

    Here is the concern.If there are other places where you have shared this, there are other’s there that may have been offended and others there that have had the same concern as I did. I have no recollection of a discussion between you and Connie, but it would be wise to apologize to her as well.

    God has a body that is made up of different parts for a reason and it is our responsibility to work together in ensuring that it brings GLORY, HONUOR AND PRAISE to the ONLY One that deserves it. As soon as we place the emphasis on SELF, that becomes “idolatry”.

    In our little ladies bible study we are being led to understand the danger of the biggest idol that we refuse to recognize or even worse to justify is – ” the exalted self ”

    We have demoted Christ to being a man in our lives as we push Him aside and sit on the throne of our hearts making us into lilttle ‘ god’s” – God forbid that we do.

    Rev 2:4 — Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.

    We all need to ask ourselves these simple little questions . “Who , when and where” did the ” compromise set in ?

    Rev 2:5 — Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent,and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

    I speak to myself here as the Lord is calling me to guard my own heart with those whom I allow access into my life.

    Love and blessings.

  270. I had no idea this thread was still going on. Wow what a read.

    Thanks Hisown for being diligent to His Word throughout this thread.

    I like the rest of you continue to watch and wait for the fireworks to begin. I continuously go back and forth between it could start at any moment and we are years away. We are in a time of great deception, which makes the glass that we look through seem even more dark.

    1 Corinthians 13:12
    12. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

    But we know that Jesus is the light of the World and if we walk with him, we will not walk in darkness. He will light and direct our paths.

    John 8:12
    12. Again therefore Jesus spake unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life.

    So I pray that each and everyone of you including myself will choose to daily walk in the light with Jesus, until that great day of His return.

    Oh how I pray that it could happen today.

    Curt

  271. Oh boy what a blessing to see you post Curt, wow I thought you’d given up on us years ago :)

    You’ve made my day! I can’t even begin to imagine the fellowship in eternity if this is how the spirit bears witness now!

    Do you know that one of the most profund blessings back in 2007 was the discussion on the “DIVIDING ” of God’s land and the abominable Two -State solution. You had made a profund statement that drove me to seek the Lord and refused to let Him go until He showed me what it was that kept me awake at night.

    He made Luke 21 : 20 and Mark 13: 14 very clear after confirming that through a prayer request and very powerful confirmation in a very personal way for me.So much so that it has made me stand even more steadfast.

    Are we witnessing the Word of the Lord not return void or do I have to lay off the chocolate bok drollitijies … NOTE I SAID “CHOCOLATE”!! Be NICE VIC!! ( guys don’t you dare google translate that ) !!! if you do enter at own risk ;)

    Are we about to witness the abomination that causes desolation?

    Placing a YOKE on His ancient people ?

    From April last year.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/claim-obama-to-target-netanyahu-in-2nd-term/

  272. andre' leibee

    found this today on bro. brian’s site….fits like a glove for what is posted above. http://www.worthynews.com/top/kleinonline-wnd-com-2013-01-28-obama-secretly-pledges-to-divide-jerusalem-will-pres

  273. James1:12
  274. James1:12

    Deb be encouraged, let God search these things out in your spirit.
    You remind me of how certain I was in mid 2010 of things surrounding Javier Solana. Go through it seek truth and find deep peace.

  275. No Hisown, I never left, you can’t get rid of me that easily. :) Just watching very closely from the background.

    I do remember that article from last year. Not to mention the one that just came out yesterday that Andre’ leibee posted. I think both of those articles show how this is eventually going to go.

    Jerusalem will be divided, most likely by UN mandate, and then the world armies (including the US) will surround Jerusalem and enforce the UN mandate. This will kick off the Great Tribulation and the AOD will soon follow. That’s how I see it anyways. Hard to say if there is enough International momentum for it to happen this year or not.

    The last unanswered question in my mind is, are we waiting for a new 7 year agreement or not? I go back and forth on this. Obviously, if Jerusalem was to be divided this year, there would not be a new 7 year agreement. However, if Israel caved to International pressure soon and agreed to allow the Palestinians to have a state, there is plenty of room for that agreement to politically fail 3 1/2 years later and the world armies would then march on Jerusalem to enforce the agreement through UN mandate.

    Either one of these ideas seem the most logical to me, but who knows. We watch and wait to see how it plays out.

    Curt

  276. andre' leibee

    you echo my sentiments exactly curt………..glad to know you are hanging around with us. and thanks for the encouraging words through your post also james. we do not wait in vain even when we are somewhat misunderstanding some things at the moment amen? time is always on God’s side so time will tell in all the matters before us.

  277. tony tarr

    bozrah……..deliverance!

  278. Shelby

    If your brother sins rebuke him, if he is walking in repentance forgive him. Luke 17:3

    i’ve been walking in repentance a long time:)

    He who conceals his sins does not prosper, but whoever confesses and renounces them finds mercy. proverbs 28:13

    You will again have compassion on us; you will tread our sins underfoot and hurl all our iniquities into the depths of the sea. Micah 7:19

    My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense–Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 1 John 2:1

  279. tony tarr

    Praise God,…..The Fathers Love is wonderfully refreshing, and how. We can truely count on it,…its the way it is. Delight in Him as He delights in you and be free. Moment by moment newness of life. My cup runneth over. Nice post Shelby, you are blessed and it blesses me. i give thanks. His handiwork is all around us and i’m AMAZED and astounded! washed clean!, and on our way to eternity,.making our way thru the ocean of being. What a thing to BELIEVE…………………………………………………………………………in JESUS!

  280. Amonua

    Hi Truth,
    I would like you to comment on two issues, first the Dan 9: 24 – 27 scripture, here is an excerpt of an article from a website called Double portion
    “Many theologians have misinterpret Daniel 9:27 where it says “and he shall confirm the covenant with ‘many’ for one week….” They think that the “he” mentioned here is the Anti-Messiah (Antichrist) who “confirms the covenant.” But in the previous verses in Daniel 9:25-26, the subject is “Messiah the Prince” and then the other subject is “the people of the prince.” And so when Daniel 9:27 says “he,” we can only take that to mean the “he” in the previous verse which is “Messiah the Prince” because “the people” are a “they” not a “he.” Furthermore, it was our Savior YaHuW’shuwa who said at the last supper on the night before his crucifixion: “this is the blood of my covenant shed for ‘MANY,’ ” and he did this within the last week of Daniel’s prophecy. Because “in the midst of the week” literally according to Daniel 9:25-26 Wednesday (middle of the week) and prophetically in the “middle” of the last 7 years of this prophecy, YaHuW’shuwa was “cut off” according to Daniel 9:26. Who else could the “he” be referring to in Daniel 9:27? It is YaHuW’shuwa Messiah who “confirms the covenant with many” for the entire duration of his 3.5 year ministry. He then continues the remainder of his 7-year ministry for Rachel through his “two witnesses” right up until his second coming during the last 3.5 years of tribulation which concludes the final “week” of this 490 year prophecy! In order to “confirm” something like a covenant, there has to be a covenant already in place and there is only one covenant and that is the same one YaHuWaH made with Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. YaHuW’shuwa came to “confirm” this very same covenant! And it is called THE COVENANT. Not “A” covenant. The word “the” here implies the one and only covenant which Yah makes with his people!
    *Note: King James uses “the covenant” while other corrupted Gnostic versions use “a covenant.”
    The week is divided into two because “in the middle of the week,” Messiah was cut off and also it was he who caused the “sacrifices and oblation” to cease. The Father in Heaven no longer recognized these sacrifices in the earthly temple. They continued performing sacrifices until 70 A.D. but they were not recognized because Jerusalem rejected Messiah as the Red Heifer sacrifice which sanctifies the altar. Since his blood alone sanctifies the altar, their evening and morning oblations were “vain” or empty (Isaiah 1:11-18). It was Messiah himself who made Jerusalem “desolate” by his prophetic word when he said “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who stone the prophets…behold your house is left to you desolate!” (Matthew 23:38). Daniel 9:27 is not about the Anti-Messiah who signs some imagined seven-year peace treaty. We must have 2 or 3 witnesses elsewhere in scripture in order to make that into a doctrine. Daniel 9:27 is about YaHuW’shuwa Messiah who “confirmed the covenant with many” (Mark 14:24). It was Messiah who confirmed the one and only covenant that YaHuWaH made with Abraham. It was Messiah who made Jerusalem desolate. It is Messiah who will cause Jerusalem to be desolate “even until the consummation” (of the marriage). ”

    and secondly on the spreadsheet you posted.

    I recently did a little exercise in a spreadsheet, on the book of Revelations which clarified its timelines so easily. Here is what I did: I labeled three columns Seal, Trumpet and bowls and seven rows, one to seven; the seventh one I labeled the day of the Lord.
    I put the first seal Rev 6; 1-2 in the seal column row one; the second seal Rev 6: 3-4 in seal column row two etc.
    Rev 6:1 to Rev 8:5 fit in seal column one, Rev 8:6 to Rev 15:8 in trumpet column two and Rev 16:1 to Rev 18:24 in bowl column three.
    My findings and conclusion were as follows
    • The rows represent the same time frame and the similar judgments and events e.g. row one – events on earth, row two – events in the sea, row three – events in fresh water bodies, row four – events in the solar system, row five – events in Satan’s kingdom, row six – River Euphrates and preparation for Armageddon, row seven – the day of the Lord
    • The seals, one to four are spirits released to influence the behavior of men on earth and the remaining seals called woes are events occurring in the heavens concurring with their corresponding trumpets and bowls. Seal six ends with the rapture of the 144,000, the dead saints, living saints and the two witnesses in Rev 7
    • The trumpets are judgments declared to be executed on earth
    • The bowls explain the executed judgments, reasons for them and their effect on the earth
    • We must remember that the author John moved between events in eternity and events in time in writing the book of Revelations.
    • I also checked all occurrences of after in Revelations and none clearly or specifically put the bowls after the trumpets or the trumpets after the seals.
    • Rev 7 and Rev 12 to 14 tells the story of the Israel/ Church of God, Satan, and rapture and covers a broader time frame starting before the tribulation whilst Rev 17 and 18 talks about the counterfeit church Babylon.
    • The wrath of the devil which occurs during the tribulation in Rev 12:12 is different from the wrath of the God announced in Rev 6:17 to be poured out on the day of the Lord.
    You could check it out in a spreadsheet and critique my conclusions.

    Blessings,
    Amonua

  281. Blessings to you Amonua,

    Awesome post . I just scanned it over quickly and can’t wait to re- read later tonight.Loved this part – “It was Messiah himself who made Jerusalem “desolate” by his prophetic word when he said “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who stone the prophets…behold your house is left to you desolate!” (Matthew 23:38). Daniel 9:27 is not about the Anti-Messiah who signs some imagined seven-year peace treaty. We must have 2 or 3 witnesses elsewhere in scripture in order to make that into a doctrine. Daniel 9:27 is about YaHuW’shuwa Messiah who “confirmed the covenant with many” (Mark 14:24). It was Messiah who confirmed the one and only covenant that YaHuWaH made with Abraham. It was Messiah who made Jerusalem desolate. It is Messiah who will cause Jerusalem to be desolate “even until the consummation” (of the marriage). ”

    Coming to the “unity of the faith” as poppie Shorty would always say :)

  282. tony tarr

    this may sound odd but i’m gonna try and say whats on my mind and see how it appears. Jesus will be coming back to earth to set up His Kingdom of Goodness and all of His followers both dead and alive will be there to join Him. It will be truely wonderful. A fresh start and a New Life with Jesus our King. Wickedness and all evil will, at this time be done away with. Joy will prevail unobstructed as Jesus takes us to new heights. Fulfillment and a Peace of mind like never before! Trust in Him, Believe in Him and surrender yourself to Him, learn of Him daily [take the time] to ask,seek, and knock. Place your life in His hands. Tell everybody,…wittness to the Love,…testify,…Praise His Holy name, bow down before Him. Stay in Christ, stick with Jesus! Enter His rest, Be at peace. Walk unafraid, with your mind on Him. /// there, i said it

  283. tony tarr

    wait,…the part about joy prevailing, unobstructed……………makes it sound as tho there will be no more challenges,…ie,…no more need for patience, forgiveness, or selflessness. This can’t be right, can it?

  284. tony tarr

    I’m trying to listen to Gods’ Spirit of Truth,………facing and overcoming the battles of life are necessary for growth. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all of your mind. Seek Him and Him alone, and all else will fall into place…fear not. Mind on Christ.24/7

  285. tony tarr

    make a habit of it and the easier it will become,…relying on Him, inwardly,…quietly contently

  286. tony tarr

    i seek protection from the enemies firey darts,…i find it in Christ alone…….i continue to pray for strength and give thanks,……i ask for humor, overloaded amounts if at all possible, in accordance with your perfect will oh Lord, and a satisfied mind.

  287. tony tarr

    i think i’ll search out “the double portion site”

  288. I pray that I didn’t post hastily again :)

    Hi Amonua,

    Would you please clarify a few things for me please . Also could you please be so kind as to link the site you mentioned . Thank’s in advance.

    Do you believe that the church have replaced Israel ? { just to let you know we reject that teaching here @ Vic’s place} and do you believe in the 1000 yr { literal } reign of the Lord Jesus Christ?

    Just to clarify my own convictions { for those that e-mailed } ;)

    Christ Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant.

    And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel. Heb 12 :24

    For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. -Rom 11:27

    This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:16

    We are the Temple – Naos- 1 Peter 2 : 5 -

    Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

    If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are 1 Cor 3 : 17

    What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Cor 6: 19

    In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: Eph 2 : 21

    Satan inhabits the man of sin- ( after he is cast out – once and for all – ) ( he still has access to the throne- accusing us daily )- And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. -Job 1

    Till no more place found for him- see his arrogance – in Isaiah 14 : For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: ( he is sititng on the throne in the apostate church already and has deceived them as he did when he caused the sons of God to rebel against the Lord.)

    There will be the the trampling of Jerusalem for 42 months.

    The protection of the Jews in the desert from Satan for 1260 days.

    The beast ruling / making war with the saints for the 42 month period.

    Christ’s second VISIBLE return and the setting up of His 1000 yr earthy reign.

    Satan bound for that period. Let loose for a little while to test the nations once again. -

    And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    Judgment – And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

    And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    New heaven and new earth.- And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

    Eternity.

    I don’t believe anyone of us are ” preterist” in our eschatology thinking or that we adhere to the amillennialism or postmillennialism view…..

    Right?

  289. Amonua

    Wow, I seem to have raised a whole lot of questions.
    First, I am a born again, Holy Spirit filled believer for over thirty years. I believed in all the pre trib stuff and everything as was taught by mainstream pastors etc.
    In my quest for answering issues taught that didn’t make sense to me, I started searching and seeing the evidence in scriptures I am now convinced and have changed my mind that the rapture will be post trib. I have found it difficult to follow the different complicated charts on the tribulation in various bible commentaries and on the web, I began to wonder which one was correct. In one book on Lulu’s website
    PRE-TRIBULATION PLANNING FOR A POST-TRIBULATION RAPTURE
    By John Anonymous
    http://www.lulu.com/shop/john-anonymous/pre-tribulation-planning-for-a-post-tribulation-rapture/ebook/product-17521992.html
    I got the idea about the seal, trumpets and bowls in Chapter 6 on page 61 . When I tried to put it together in a spreadsheet with my 11 and 13 year olds, voilà, revelations, it finally didn’t seem so complicated after all.

    The article I cited is on this link http://doubleportioninheritance.blogspot.com/2011/05/pre-tribulation-or-post-tribulation.html
    I have very little knowledge about Hebrew and Jewish festivals etc so I can’t say I agree with most of the stuff in this article or not. However if you can clearly prove a doctrine or an issue from the bible, I am likely to buy it. This issue about Dan 9:27 was strongly argued by Maria since she supports it with other scriptures, but the others about Rachel Leah etc I am not so sure about.

    I will get to answering your questions in a jiffy.

    Blessings,
    Amonua

  290. Amonua

    You asked:
    Do you believe that the church have replaced Israel ? { just to let you know we reject that teaching here @ Vic’s place} and do you believe in the 1000 yr { literal } reign of the Lord Jesus Christ?
    Answer:
    No I am not into the replacement theory stuff, it is not scriptural. I wouldn’t know where to fit Jesus words in Mat 23:39 which speaks of a restoration and other such scriptures
    Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
    Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

    You stated:
    The protection of the Jews in the desert from Satan for 1260 days.

    Comments: I am not so sure about the protection of the Jews in the desert if you are referring to Rev 12:14 – 17. I have heard other arguments it could mean not only Messianic Jews but the whole “ekklesia” church on earth at the time. You could check out those arguments in chapter 9 pg 92 of the pdf book from the Lulu website
    I am fine with all the other issues. I don’t hold any entrenched positions. I am fine with all issues that can be proven comprehensively in the bible (especially King James Version).

    Finally, I apologise for the manner I invaded your blog site, I find your discussions quite interesting.

    Blessings,
    Amonua

  291. Oh please don’t apologize Amonua we are blessed to have you here but I just needed to clarify your position for myself :)

    I’m on the run again { literally this time -and the race starts in less than 2 hrs } and will be back with more questions later on.

    Just to clarify, I was not implying that ALL the Jews were going to flee :) Sorry bout that.

    Blessings to you as well.

  292. tony tarr

    long may you run Colleen!!!!!!!

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