Unsealed Prophecy

Has satan been cast down?

During the past few weeks I have heard many testimonies of Christians who had dreams of satan being cast out of heaven. The question in my mind is that if these are warnings from the Lord, is it warnings of a near future event or is it a warning that it did happen and we are on borrowed time. I can not say for sure. Either there are many loonies out there trying to fool people or the Lord wants to warn us. You decide.

If there is anyone reading this who had a dream, vision or just a word from the Lord about this, please share it with us. You can post anonymous if you want to protect your privacy. I will approve it.

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161 Comments

  1. Lafreak

    Last week and this is no joke:… I had a dream that I was in a house trying to cover up from a massive solar flare that hit the earth then i was near some fire and i died in the dream but then i was awake again in a street, there was shops but no cars, there was people walking around but in my dream and i knew I died and I was now in the 1000 years, I was looking for one of my best friends and I found him and we were really happy about being in the world with Jesus and then i woke up.. Not sure what it mean but it was one of those dreams i will never forget.

    Revelation 12:9
    And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    Lately out of nowhere this verse has been in my head quite allot:
    5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

    This new super president the EU is sort of planning might really be something prophetic. And honestly if Solana gets that position im just going to laugh.
    No point in getting stressed and panic, We need to be strong and really be prepared. Knowing the AC is actually here will be something very very weird but also a blessing.. Every day i wake up I thank the Lord for another day closer to seeing Jesus. If the AC comes soon then in my opinion that’s awesome because God’s word is again being fulfilled.
    I say bring it :)
    And ill try to help as many people as I can and If they want to kill me then they are sending me to Jesus if they don’t I help more people and see Jesus anyway. Either way Satan loses.

  2. hisown1

    Lafreak you said ” This new super president the EU is sort of planning”

    I agree 100%.

    Satan’s man is being prepped for his position and as I’ve tried to put it into words , yet those came out in bouts of frustration …which I am sure you have all witnessed. I apologize to all for my fleshy outbursts but something is just wrong and any just don’t seem it get it !!

    Re- the clip – We don’t need to ” swear”on anything right but do understand why he said that though :)

    Jam 5:12 — But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.

    Vic he uploaded it – Apr 25, 2012 by bheceo and will try to find another one that ” firecharger” shared round about April the 4th.(Please note that I am not endorsing him at all I just find it fascinating )

    I pray that I will not be placed in the ” loonie category ” guys but I don’t know what to do with the grieving in my spirit over the past few weeks. The heaviness is almost suffocating yet the peace of the Lord assures me that this battle is His and no matter what we are about to face, He is right here with us.

    Vic I was not going to share this private e-mail I sent to you, Mr baldy, Matt and Scott but for the purpose of discussion and others sharing , I will.

    Here is a copy/paste from – Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 8:04:38 AM
    Subject: I have never once in my walk had this….happen

    Please hear my heart as Christ is my witness ( today being my 19th Spiritual birthday whoooo) I have never once shared anything outside the word of God as a thought or a possible ” word” from the Lord. Gods word is my final authority and don’t trust anything outside of it …….even my own thoughts amen?

    Well I am led to share the weirdest dream I had last night ( I can’t remember when last I dreamt )

    We were driving to the mountains ( don’t recall if we were going to the cabin or what ) and shared that I felt a heaviness in my spirit. As we came around this sharp bend I looked to my right and suspended ( descended ) in mid air was this most vile looking creature that filled the sky in a cloud of massive darkness. The most fascinating thing was I had no fear and wanted to know who all we could pick up along the way. I knew right away satan had fallen.

    Ichabod :(

    Maybe I’ve been so focussed on Isaiah 14 and that is why. I dunno :)

    End of e-mail.

    THERE IS A TIME WHEN HE NO LONGER HAS THE RIGHT TO ACESS THE THRONE OF GOD AND ACCUSE US , BUT IS CAST OUT ONCE AND FOR ALL…WOE UNTO THE NATIONS :(

    Job 2:2 — And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

    I will find firecharger’s clip and post that if you guys want to see that as well ( for prayer and consideration )

  3. hisown1

    Ps plz forgive sp’s and grammar,,,,it’s like 5 am and I’ve been up since 3.

    Sleep is a luxury for me lately :)

  4. justasheep7

    At the risk of being thought a loon I’m going to add to this conversation. I haven’t had any dreams, and as far as feelings go – I know the Lord has given them to us for a purpose but I don’t generally trust them. With that said- here we go.

    About 2 weeks ago I started having this really weird feeling, that something was really wrong. It’s been bugging me a lot (and fortunately driving me to my knees a lot and driving me into the word a lot). I’ve had a general sense of uneasiness (I have to admit I’ve fallen into a bit of anxiety now and then when certain things were coming up, dates and such in the past, but not like this). For me it’s been elusive, just like a sensation that something is not right around me. I asked my wife about it about a week ago (like I said it took me a week to share with my own wife, since I’m not particularly trusting of my own feelings). She looked at me, and said “yeah, I know, I’ve been feeling the same way”. In her typical wise way she suggested I put up a poll on here – which as I’m slow in considering these things I haven’t decided if it would be good to do yet, but maybe it is.

    Ok, breaks over for me, Back to work, and then later down on my knees to seek some wisdom.

  5. Oneday

    Yes, we all feel it. I for sure have felt it, am feeling something extremely heavy. The time is short. We need to stay on our knees….
    Lord Jesus strengthen us!

  6. Vic

    Well, my turn. I have felt the same way for some weeks. I did not have dreams or visions, just this sense that something is not right. And like you, because it is a feeling, I do not trust it too much and don’t want to share. But yes, the Lord led me to all this different confirmations about the same thing. I was considering a post for a while, but also feared the loony label.

    If anyone else want to share, but does not want to be known, please do it anonymously. Rob and I will approve it as it will need moderation.

  7. hisown1

    I need to quote from a dear sis. I love her wisdom and respect her walk and ministry to the body.

    ” There is such a heaviness in the air, you can’t but be affected.
    I truly believe that Satan has come down, cast out of heaven for good. We can feel this. I feel like the apostles of John the Baptist who came to Jesus and asked Him, are you the One? or should we expect another? We are asking ourselves, is this it? Is it really happening? Yes, it is happening. There has been a shift in the spiritual world. An explosion if you will.”

    Because we walk in Spirit and Truth there is NO WAY that the darkness can hide hide. We know something is wrong and I love Mr’s Sheep’s ” poll” idea. Maybe here people that are no too willing to be ” labelled” could vote.

    Firecharger had the dream on the 1st he states in this clip, but posted it on the Apr 4, 2012. Find it fascinating at how the ” time” frame of all these are the same ?

    Viewer discretion advised :)

  8. hisown1

    Ps I don’t know firecharger or have ever had any communication with him :)

  9. Mr Baldy

    LOL!

    I’m actually laughing at you guys! Because, if you’re all loony – then I’m loony also.

    I’ve had dreams about God since I was a child. It has been anything from the Rapture of the Church to being snatched up by the collar into the realms of heaven, with God Himself telling me: “You better be good”.

    Guess what folks…….we’re not of the World, and just the mere fact that we all are focused on God, and His Return just about says it all to me. We’re not loony, just focused on what Scripture says will happen – it shows that we Believe!

    It is the World that doesn’t understand. They don’t understand that what God says will happen, will happen. It may not be in the way that we all “think” in our own perceptions – but God’s Word will come to past.

    I also giggle to myself, because just recently Vic admitted to me in an email that he thought I was crazy (loony) for mentioning that I believe that the 1st Beast mentioned in the Book of Revelation is the Revived Roman Empire and not a man. Well, he has since recanted this statement, and as a loving brother, admitted to me that he thought I was crazy (or loony) -but the facts of that which is occurring today, just “may” prove this to be the case.

    So, in closing, if anyone is having just really weird things happening to them (as the way the World interprets it) – just remember that our steps have been ORDERED. God is in total control. Believe that He is First in your life, and EVERYTHING works for the good for those who love Him.

    Amen.

  10. Mr Baldy

    Vic,

    I want to send a special “shout out” to: Pastor Brian Roberts; BerryBlueBerry of 70th week; Scott of Born to Watch, and especially YOU – for staying on top of current events, and not making up excuses or QUITTING by way of providing information on your web-site’s, when things seemed to be so far in the distant, that doubt settles in.

    We all must remember that in the End Times all different manner of deception will come in. Even so to the point that it would fool even the Elect, if it were possible. We all must ENDURE to the end – even when things don’t seem to be so apparent.

    May God bless you all for not QUTTING! You see it’s very easy to report the news when it’s all roaring in hot off the press. But for those who will never give up, and take the RISK of reporting events that may not be in the popular view, but still edifies the Body of Christ – to you my hat goes off, and I thank God personally for you. May you all have a very special reward in Heaven.

  11. andre' leibee

    can’t put my finger on anything specific either—but i’ve been watching for something too-since around the time (especially) of the end of march and then through april i have felt (though i do not actually trust my feelings but acknowledge them at least) that a deep darkness is falling and enveloping everything and was not at all surprised when i read of the eu looking for a super-minister (all the while ashton was on schedule to be seeing netanyahu). makes me think the aod is very close. i read the article a day or so before people were posting it and thought to myself-staying quiet in my heart about what i felt this is-that the powers that be are now fully in the grip of darkness and many many people are fully aligning themselves to the devil’s plan. so i read with interest what people were posting about their thoughts about it. like all the puzzle pieces are about to complete the picture. so here we are in may with america’s president making the move to approve same-sex marriage-like a final nail in the coffin so to speak of “no turning back”. i feel like the world over will see a clamp down of martial law soon as the henchmen are getting into place right now and will before long (within months to only a year from now perhaps?) be receiving orders from who i call hell’s man. yes just a hunch but the sheer weight of the collected facts on the ground tell me that Scripture is most definitely fulfilling for the final chapter of the world system–the beast system will roar to life and be that destructive machine the devil will man himself. so i watch with you all my fine friends in the Lord–i feel just like what lafreak described of his own heart—and i pray with you all for Wisdom and Strength and a heart of Compassion to reach out to others in Jesus’ Name along the way as the darkness continues to fall-overtaking everything. (btw-my verse to journal on this a.m.—(and now this post today about the heaviness)—matt 27:45…there was darkness over all the land…….the weight is the darkness descending (in my own personal feelings)–yes perhaps satan is cast down and will soon be “showtime”.

  12. andre' leibee

    well well well….found this and it goes right along with my hunch about martial law coming soon to neighborhood near you….http://www.infowars.com/media-characterizes-military-invasion-of-south-florida-as-cool-tourist-story/

  13. Vic

    Thanks Mr B. The glory must go to our Lord who will not let go of me and the calling to be a watchman. And also a special thanks to Rob for keeping watch with me. Even if I am absent for a few days, I know the site is in good hands with Mr and Mrs Sheep keeping watch.

    Just love us loonies.

  14. Bob Thyer

    I read these articles and responses everyday. My heart longs for Christ’s return and seeing the steady but subtle transitions going on around us is breath-taking. The gay activists are getting more militant and bold. The statement by the president is another step to toward the abyss.

    However, it’s important to maintain balance and perspective regarding what he said in relation to what he has actually done. Yes, he has expressed support for same-sex marriage but has done nothing that has enacted any legislation or has actually changed the law anywhere – yet!

    In light of that, we must not panic or over-react. No doubt, what he said is significant and it opens the door wider than ever to future actions that will result in legailizing what is not acceptable to our Holy God. That concerns me.

    For me, it’s just another dot that gives us something to watch and adds to the big picture. We are headed in the direction of destruction. So I will, as everyone else here will also I’m sure, keep on pressing into the Word, staying prayed-up, and listening closely for direction from the Holy Spirit.

    With respect and expectation,

    Auxano

  15. andre' leibee

    a world precedent alright with coming legislation to enforce—the world has been here before and was judged by the flood–we can see the handwriting on the wall………http://news.yahoo.com/obama-gay-marriage-support-seen-world-precedent-233515249.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CVFyqtPym4Ah

  16. justasheep7

    Welcome Bob,

    I dont’ really think we are addressing anything to do with the gay agenda specifically, or the current president. Other than its sort of a another sign of how much morals in the US have decayed, that if God did not judge it he would need to apologize to Sodom. Prophetically, the president’s latest is insignificant other than he is just as worldly and anti-christian as the overwhelming majority leaders around the world today. The stuff going on in this country is a somewhat insignificant, a footnote if you will, part of the bigger picture of a steady advance toward the rapid fulfillment of many prophecies, and a short tumultuous march to the return of our Lord, and his day of ultimate victory over the enemy.

  17. Heaviness in the “air” … I agree.
    I feel it as well, so much so that you can nearly cut it with a knife.

  18. hisown1

    Oh Andre that sent a chill down my spine especially this line – ” This is incredibly important, it’s excellent news. The United States is a global leader on everything, and that includes gay rights,” said Julio Moreira, president of the Rio de Janeiro-based Arco-Iris gay rights group. ”

    Reminded me of this verse :(

    Rev 14:8 — And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

    Scott yes amen and amen. As a ( wanna b ) artist I watch people. I started to see a gradual change in late 2007 as the economy ” seemed ” to be in trouble ( to those watchin). The downward spiral has been most prevalent since last year and to witness the, emptiness and despondency is almost unbearable. Have you guys noticed that as well or is that just me wanting to see that?

  19. andre' leibee

    the final nail in the coffin to me too in the verse you quote–fallen fallen…and all the nations are fallen after her…………….look up your redemption draweth nigh…

  20. Oneday

    also,
    The media is reporting on politicians in Europe that fear the return of a Holy Roman Empire. Brannon looks at Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 that says there will be a revived Roman Empire and Revelation 17 that seems to imply that it will not just be a revived Roman Empire but a “Holy Roman Empire” tied to the Church of Rome. Topic: Jesus told us in Mathew 24 that when the things of Mathew 24 begin to unfold then that generation will be alive and on the earth at the time of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. That means that things will happen really fast and this is confirmed by Revelation 1:1 that correctly translated says that when the things of Revelation begin to be fulfilled they will happen “swiftly” or “quickly”. The fast growing creation of the revived Roman Empire gives credibility to the idea we are living in the last times and that Bible prophecy is going to continue to swiftly be fulfilled. Today’s program will encourage you as it will reveal the supernatural nature of God’s Word and that God is in control as world events unfold and we have been foretold. http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-radio/play.php?id=showsFlat-21244

  21. Oneday

    I was wondering about this??
    Breaking News – DC MD VA WV PA NC NJ NY RI Bolide Meteor Fireball with Sonics & Fragmentation 3FEB2012
    “What is going on, i was just googling info about the flash of light that was seen over washington dc and came across info that people saw a flash of light during the same time that it was seen over in dc, and these people were from different states, ohio, kuntucky, texas.

    One women from tx posted she was freaking out cuz one night she had buzzing in her ears, the next night she saw/heard the meteor over tx, and now she saw that flash of light. I read someone here posted bout ringing ears a few days ago.

    Another person said they saw a meteor over Washington dc.”
    Reports thus far:
    Perhaps, Satan and some of his minions being cast down??? Just saying…
    03FEB2012 Jacob Baltimore, MD 2217 EST 2-4 sec SSW-NNE, stopped mid sky white/green ball with orange/fire tail Venus no fragmentation seen Very bright, white/green ball streaking from SSW-NNE with long fire tail. Seen from my apartment window over downtown Baltimore

    03FEB2012 John Dunellen,NJ,USA 2215 EST 3 sec ENE-WSW Green Fireball moon none seen solid green no color changes

    03FEB2012 Mike Bernat Chesapeake, VA, USA 22:15 EST 3-5 seconds max 5 degrees (almost due north) appeared to be falling almost vertical bright white, no sound brighter than venus fragments just before burned out appeared to have a tail, burned out just above treeline, no more than 5 degrees elevation

    03FEB2012 RLambdin Amissville, VA USA 22:22:00 6 sec NW/SE Blue green then went black and saw red fragments Moon Yes Quite large. Soft but bright light

    3FEB2012 Chloe Zebulon, NC, USA 22:16 EST about 4-5 seconds Started in NE, then went down, a little to the left White and then a neon-ish green Probably as bright as a full moon, definitely brighter than any start or Venus No It was really freaky :p haha

    03FEB2012 Patty Larson Chevy Chase, MD Montgomery 2225 5 seconds low in Southern sky moving west to east white to red to green Venus no most spectacular meteor I’ve ever seen

    03FEB2012 Donald Jacobs Check VA USA 10:15 pm Eastern time 8 sec S-N Green Blue white Very Bright no Did go dark for a few seconds then brighter with more blue

    03FEB2012 Yigiter izgordu East Brunswick 22:30:00 5 seconds left to right Bright Green Bright as a firework no close to horizon

    03FEB2012 dm Silver Spring,md us 2200 5 seconds nw green blue moon no no

    3FEB2012 Laura Williamsburg, VA, United States 2215 7 seconds N-S Very bright blue and orange Bright as the moon No Very large and very bright, changed colors as it fell from blue to orange

    03FEB2012 C Boyle Newtown PA USA 22:16 EST 3-4 sec E-S left to right white/yellow very moon sparkler Looked like it was sizzling like a sparkler

    03FEB2012 Jeri A Falls Church 22:30 eastern 20 SE-NW Blue,Red, Yellow, very bright up close landed within 5 to 10 miles max sun yes na
    3/2/2012 Jeff fields Ellicott City MD 10:16 pm set 2-3 second right to left green Like a roman candle no no

    3FEB2012 Jill Clifton, NJ USA 22:25:00 5 sec S-N Greenish White and Huge Like a planet It had a tail that is it It looked like a huge shooting star, that was greenish white and then just vanished. It really was huge though!

    3FEB2012 JRyan CLARKSVILLE, MD USA 22:25 EST 3 SEC W-E BLUE GREEN THEN TO RED MOON LIT SKY NO FIRE BALL IN THE SKY

    03FEB2012 Kristi Purdy centreville, VA, USA 22:25 EST 4 seconds South white and orangish white Very Bright. No Was white w/ a tail

    3FEB2012 Steve Hunterdon County, NJ, USA 22:25 EST 4 sec NE – SW green brighter than Venus possibly Another witness upon arrival home/ 2-3 miles apart at time of sighting.

    03FEB2012 Michael Jerkins Glen Allen, Va 10:14:00 5 seconds east blue color moon two pieces trailing piece was smaller I saw it out my window from my apartment

    03FEB2012 Jeri Almansi Falls Church VA USA 22:30 eastern 20 SE-NW Red, Blue, Yellow, Very Close within 5 miles to 10 max, sun Yes Very Close had to have landed in Near McLean VA or Arlington or Falls Church area of N VA area. Could see a lot of detail in it and small parts breaking off

    03FEB2012 Aric Lexington Park, MD 22:12:00 3 sec East, right to left blue/white Very bright some fragmentation very fast and very bright blue white light seemed to explode at the end of flight. Heard a rumble in the distance a few minutes after sounded like a distant sonic boom or explosion.

    03FEB2012 JC STAFFORD, VA, USA 2235 EDT 4-5 SECONDS SE-NW GREEN SAME AS MOON YES BROKE UP AND BURNED OUT

    03FEB2012 Sarah Williams Spotsylvania, Virginia, United States 22:10:00 6 sec Right to left Blue with a long tail sun no there was a very bright blue explosion at the end and then it disappeared

    03FEB2012 Harry Smith Franklin Twp, NJ, USA 22:17 EST 3 SE-NW NO Brighter than normal meteor Bright tail NO

    03FEB2012 SAMANTHA DEPTFORD, NJ, UNITED STATES 22:15:00 5 SECONDS N-S; W-E RIGHT TO LEFT FIRE BALL/YELLOW MOON THEN DIED OUT NO SAW FIREBALL FALLING FAST IN A DOWNWARD FORM. LEFT TO RIGHT VERTICALLY, THEN DIED OUT

    03FEB2012 Mark Pankowski Olney, MD 10:15 p.m. EST About 4 seconds Lasted five seconds. Seen while driving south dropping left Orange with white tail VERY bright. Thought it might be a small firework. “Sparks” seemed to be flying off it like a firework Had windows closed so I didn’t hear anything. But it definitely was very bright.

    03FEB2012 Carla Porter Sunderland, MD, USA 22:50, Eastern Std. Time Guessing 3 sec I’m looking East, it moved from South to North White, bright white, no sound (indoors) Very bright, as bright as moon, more than Venus Didn’t see any Awesome, I was busy on the computer when it’s brightness and movement caught [corner of] my eye, I turned and watched the brief act.

    03FEB2012 Peggy Boyd STANARDSVILLE VA USA 2240 7 seconds NE falling left green front white tail bright as the moon no thought it was a falling star at first but got brighter and green in the front and looked like it came much closer to the ground than a falling star I’ve ever seen

    03FEB2012 Kathi Newtown, PA 22:00 EST 5 – 8 sec Southwest Bright white, slow, low to the ground Bright as white fireworks pieces or a tail falling off no other comments

    There are over 100 sighting reports !
    See all of the Sighting Reports here: http://thelatestworldwidemeteorreports.blogspot.com/

    2012 THE Year of Meteors!

  22. justasheep7

    Interesting – I don’t know about a “holy” empire or a church run empire anywhere in Europe since the only “church” that appears to be really gaining there has minarets and a crescent moon on its buildings. I do think it’s telling how increasingly marginalized, true, biblical christianity is becoming in so many places in the world. Here in the US you are branded a loon or a wacko any time you profess any convictions that are derived from a biblical worldview.

    I do think as we are told in Revelation 17 that the religions of man have a huge part to play in the enemies game plan. You’ll notice the worst criticism is generally NOT being levelled at the lukewarm denominations, the “liberal” worldly christians, the catholics rarely get it unless they are standing in the way of abortion rights or other sexual agendas. I think in time that group is going to bend to please the world too. I weep when I see that the concept of “sin” is absent from many so-called “evangelical” churches here, and I shake my head the the “emergent” church exists at all. As if we had some “different” set of problems today than people have for the last few thousand years, and the we needed some “fresh” approach to the gospel. Anyway, I think all those things and all the other man-centered, man-made religions of the world are headed for a convergence on working together “for the good of mankind”. Little do they know they’ll be working under the supervision and at the direction of the destroyer, the enemy of God.

    Each day there are so many things coming out I could sit at my computer all day and comment on the news. Here are just a snippet of the stories from today I wish I had time to delve into as they relate to what we know will be.

    -A court in New York State legalizes the viewing of child pornography

    -JP Morgan loses $2 Billion due to poor oversight

    -As it’s been mentioned, Obama…

    -A pill that claims to prevent the spread of HIV is released

    -An earthquake measuring 5.5 on the Richter scale felt in Israel

    -Greece is STILL unable to form a government, another election looms

    -The drums of war beat louder in the South China Sea between China and the Phillipines

    -US officials are worrying about an imminent attack by Israel on Iran

    -Russians nervous over successful US test of missile interceptor

    There are others – but I need to wrap up for now. So many little things – they seem to be coming so frequently (or maybe I’m just going a little batty).

  23. hisown1

    Batty Sheep ? Oh I like that :)

    I’m sorry I laughed but that made my day!

    Broken batty and bold :)

  24. yardley7

    I too have felt a deep heaviness, even a sadness in my spirit for the last few months. I have been watching since 2009, and also believe that something is about ready to burst forth. I certainly do not know what is going on, but I do know that we are closer then ever…and we do need to stay close to the Lord as the days grow more evil. PS. I also feel like a looney and it is very reassuring to visit here, where I don’t feel so alone in my feelings…Bless you all.

  25. Vic

    Welcome to the loony bin Yardley7. :-)

  26. shelby

    Haha :)

    When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it; 13when we are slandered, we answer kindly. Up to this moment we have become the scum of the earth, the refuse of the world.

  27. hisown1

    Oh my Shelby that blessed my socks off :)

    Now can you imagine saying that to the ” prosperity crowd” or even daring to quote the verses that speak of this profund truth. It ‘s a heart issue. Lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and the pride of life :(

    God’s word has to come to pass and for that I rest and abide in the safety of that.

    Love ya sis !

  28. andre' leibee

    well i am blessed to pieces too! oh the Spirit of God! how marvelous is the Lord Who gives us His Word to convict and purify us-thereby conforming us as we yield-to the image of His Beautiful Son Jesus—the heart issue that the Lord has me square in the middle of dealing with—in my journaling today i am looking to see the Truth about–guess what!?!—the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, the pride of life. so here He is using this site and you dear folks to further drive home the Work the Spirit wants done in this pitiful heart of mine. what Mercy He continues to show me……..wow Lord—-thank You Lord.

  29. hisown1

    Oh I love it sis!

    All praise and glory to the ONE who ALONE get’s the glory for He alone is worthy.

    I don’t think we even begin to grasp the truth of this verse :)

    Eph 3:20 — Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

    Giving Him the G L O R Y.

    Eph 3:21 — Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

    Over the past few weeks the Lord has been proving His faithfulness by doing exactly what you just described Andre and it has boosted my faith like nothing I have ever known. Could it be it is a faith building lesson in blind faith as we enter into the days ahead?

    Thank-you for sharing that.

  30. hisown1

    Note to self, read before posting ….yikes

  31. hisown1

    God did it again!

    Guys I fear Christ with every inch of my being and will never share a untruth or a false witness.

    In my quite time tonight I was led to look up a ministry that the Lord has used in the past to confirm in the past .

    I’ve not gone to this brother’s page since late 2010. I was blown away at-
    the confirmation of point 15: 08. L O V E R S of P L E A S U R E and stuff !!

    Wow the Lord is teaching me some pretty awesome lessons and for that I praise His beautiful name!

    I so wanted to encourage your faith my sis :)

  32. andre' leibee

    thanks Hisown! will watch this soon as it is getting late tonite as i post this. i found this gorgeous piece of music (if something is beautiful God gets the credit amen?) and listening to it i found myself just singing Jesus’ name over and over and over to those beautiful sounds. nothing like His Name sung over and over to lift the heart…worship and enjoy singing that Beautiful Name Jesus again and again…… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bp_JfFKIDHA

  33. andre' leibee

    thanks for posting the video. of the apostate church–from hosea 7….and they consider not in their hearts that I remember all their wickedness: now their own doings have beset them about, they are before My face……….ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; ephraim is a cake not turned. strangers have devoured his strength, and he knoweth it not. and the pride of israel testifieth to his face; and they do not return to the Lord their God nor seek Him for all this….we are looking the half-baked church that is aligned to the world leaving great destruction in it’s wake…….oh God strengthen us to persevere in the Truth-not turning to the right or to the left–led by You on the paths of Righteousness (headed straight for persecution) for Your Name’s sake.

  34. Pastor J. Dean

    Has Satan been caste out of Heaven? It seems rather obvious that there are so many modern teachings concerning the book of Revelation that we can no longer see its plain meaning. Everything in it has been relegated to the last seven years of this dispensation which is a fairly new doctrine and most likely radically wrong. I too believe in a seven year period, the rapture, the tribulation, etc, but the book of Revelation entails much more than that.

    It is clear from Revelation chapter 12 that the Messiah came forth from Israel and Satan tried to destroy the Messiah but lost the battle and Jesus ascended into Heaven victorious. Once the Lamb of God who was slain for our sins ascended into Heaven the accuser of the Brethren was caste down. So the answer is no, Satan was not recently caste down regardless of how anyone is feeling lately. He was caste down 2,000 years ago and has had no right to go into Heaven and accuse us since then. This is all a part of Jesus finished work at Calvary. Without a knowledge of this we will stand on our own performance and have no real power over the enemy. We will gather in our camps to put others down and have no power to deliver any of them.

    Satan has been defeated and we have been commissioned to preach the Gospel, which is the good news that our sins have been paid for and are forgiven so that we can receive the promised Spirit and be born of God.

    The lukewarm are simply people without the flame of God’s Spirit burning in them. They will not be caste away because they are lukewarm but rather because of pride and their lack of acknowledgement that they desperately need a savoir to change them. They say that they lack nothing and yet are naked and blind.

    We need to be careful that we are not proclaiming to have need of nothing while we sit back and judge others. We need to be careful that we don’t presumptuously put ourselves in the camp that is successfully living up to God’s standards since Jesus made it clear that camp does not exist among men, especially religious men. If we are truly full of the Spirit of God then we will be going about doing good and healing those who are oppressed of the devil, not sitting around talking about how holy we are and how lost everyone else is. In other words we will be more like Jesus and less like the Pharisees who depended on their rule following, outward holiness and passion for religion while judging the world around them as sinners.

  35. justasheep7

    Amen Pastor J. Dean- We are having a discussion on this very topic another post down. (the On Failed Economies post).

  36. hisown1

    So Satan does not accuse us right now?

    He is DEFEATED oh yes amen and amen :)

    Why was Simon sifted?

    Who is being holy ?

    Pre trib pastor?

    Luk 22:31 — And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

    So Rev 12 is past tense then?

    Rev 12:10 — And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

  37. andre' leibee

    i think there is a difference between the apostate church and the lukewarm church. false teachers and those who are the tares that follow them are dangerous. the lukewarm church is asleep and unconcerned which makes them easy prey. as was stressed on the other post rob pointed out-folks really need to do a heart check and examine themselves (letting the Spirit shed light on the Scripture not feelings or words/ideas of man) to see if they are really in the faith. if folks are feeling pinched and pricked by the words of warning of the Scriptures then they may be of the true church because they can feel Holy Spirit conviction. those already given over to a reprobate mind (romans 1) are dead to conviction and feel nothing to humble them-just offended because of their self-righteousness. the apostate church will not bring people to the Cross to repent there. by their fruits you shall know them Jesus said. most folks here at this site are very aware to be judging themselves rather than other individuals. that is why things are said in broad terms as not to speak against another yet honor the Scripture that sheds Light about the unfruitful works of darkness. (that’s what i see but feel free anyone to enlighten me on the subject).

  38. Pastor J. Dean

    to hisown1:

    Of course Satan accuses us now. He just can no longer do so before God and he no longer has access to the third Heaven.

    The request Satan made to sift Simon was prior to the crucifixion and ascension of Christ but truthfully that is irrelevant and has nothing to do with Satan’s right to accuse us before God. Jesus knew Peter’s weaknesses and knew the devil was going to take advantage of them and warned him. That in no way says that Satan still has a right to enter into the third Heaven and accuse the brethren. In the Old Testament we see Satan going before God’s throne and accusing Job. This is what can no longer take place because of Christ’s finished work.

    The accuser of the brethren has been caste down. Caste down where? Into the Earth where he seeks to devour and destroy all that he can and where he desires to sift and test the faith of Christians. The fact that Satan attacks us and accuses us and that in this world we have tribulation does not negate the fact that Satan has no more right to go into the third Heaven and accuse us before God. He accuses us and causes us to accuse one another quite frequently simply because we do not understand the power of the Gospel to save and we have no idea the full extent of what Jesus has accomplished for us.

    I never said Satan cannot accuse us or attack us here. That is exactly what he is constantly doing. I did say he has no more right to accuse us in Heaven because as the Word of God plainly says we have been forever perfected in Christ and our sins have been removed from us as far as the east is from the west never to be remembered against us anymore by God. Satan cannot bring up to God what has been already paid for. If you think that he can then he will easily defeat you because he can always find fault with you. He will have you at an altar begging for forgiveness every day instead of going out and casting him out of others who need to be set free.

    The fight we fight is the fight of faith. We are not struggling and striving to keep the devil from having any ammunition against us in the heavens. We are standing on the finished work of Jesus Christ knowing that He became sin who knew no sin that we might be made the righteousness of God. Sin is not overcome by some great struggle with Satan but rather by the power of God’s Holy Spirit filling us with Life and moving us to will and do God’s pleasure. That is what the entire New Covenant is all about.

    Satan has been defeated. The Lord is just sitting at the right hand of power expecting all his enemies to be made his footstool once His body realizes what He has accomplished. We are seated with him there FAR ABOVE all principalities and certainly far above the accuser of the brethren.

    In this world the devil rages but be of good cheer because Jesus has overcome the world! Satan will attack us at every turn but if we stand on Christ’s victory and Satan’s defeat we will come out on top every time.

  39. hisown1

    For the sake of CLARITY let me use another version for Rev 12.

    Question to self :)

    After he is cast out…he goes after the woman. What is the time-line given for her stay? agghh a time, times and half a time – 42 months. Case closed for me :)

    When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman [Israel] who had given birth to the male child [Christ]. The woman [Israel] was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach.

  40. Pastor J. Dean

    also,
    Yes I am pre trib and yes much of Revelation 12 has already happened and the rest is happening now.

    It amazes me that the many of the same teachers who have taught that Satan fell with a third of the angels from heaven also teach that Revelation 12 is some future event. Revelation 12 is the only place in all of scripture that mentions a third of the angels falling with Lucifer. We cannot have it both ways.

    Revelation 12 is clearly talking about Israel giving birth to the Messiah, Satan desiring and attempting to destroy him, the Messiah ascending into Heaven and Satan being defeated and caste down as a result. This is not going to a happen in the future. It took place already. Jesus has won the victory over Satan once and for all.

    Go back and read Joseph’s dream and you see that the sun, moon and twelve stars represents the nation of Israel. As I said before I believe that Revelation 12 is so simple and easy to understand that only a mind clouded by modern interpretations of prophecy can see anything other than its plain meaning. I am not putting you down because I was there for years, trying to relegate everything in Revelation to the seven year tribulation period and it simply does not fit. God told John everything that had just happened with Christ and all that was coming until his return. Yes, much of it can be relegated to the last few years but certainly not all of it. The four horseman for example had already marched once and it was over a long span of time and Zechariah said they are spirits sent into the Earth that brought about different forms of government and raised different nations up such as Assyria, Babylon, Greece and Rome. Zechariah describes this and every competent bible scholar I have read shows how his vision was fulfilled in the Earth with the last horse marching just prior to Christ coming. John is simply told they will march again. From the time of Christ until now there have been different dominant governments and movements, religious and otherwise, that appear to line up perfectly with the way the horsemen marched in the first place. After many hours of study and teaching Revelation for over a year straight on Wednesday nights I am convinced the fourth horse is marching now and it is Islam. It is a green horse, not a pale horse as was wrongly interpreted from the word chloros.

    Regardless of how we interpret the book of Revelation, the New Testament is clear that Jesus has won the victory and Satan has been defeated. I am convinced no one has the corner market on the book of Revelation and no one has it all right and of course that includes me. As for Revelation 12 it is just to simple to miss, in my opinion.

  41. Pastor J. Dean

    You are assuming everything in the entire chapter happens in a short time successively and there are no breaks between the time the devil was caste down and the 42 months. That is a lot to assume since the norm in prophecy is that it usually spans for long periods of time and includes more than one event. Even one statue that a prophet saw represented several different Kingdoms that would rise and take many, many years to come to pass. In some prophecies we can see the first coming of Jesus and the second in the same chapter and yet we would never argue they had to happen in a short time frame.

    I prefer not to argue interpretations of prophecy with you though because it certainly qualifies as meaningless wrangling. The only reason I chimed in is because I believe it is damaging to negate all the scriptures that teach of Christ’s victory and Satan’s defeat in an effort to hold onto our interpretations of the book of Revelation. The simple fact is the scriptures are abundantly clear that Satan has been defeated and we are seated far above him now.

  42. hisown1

    I’ve met with many pre-trib pastors over the past 6 yrs ( I was one till 2006 ) and have no desire to derail this into a very exhausting and distracting debate. The Lord was the One to show me the error of that particular thinking and has promised me that He will be lead His own to all truth. It is in that alone I will place my trust :)

    So do you believe in a Islam AC as well then ?

  43. Pastor J. Dean

    What is an Islam AC?
    Give it a few more years and we may both see more “errors.” I don’t believe that prophecy is given to figure everything out. No one has it all figured out but I believe after all I have seen and studied in my heart that the rapture takes place simultaneously or immediately prior to the wrath of God coming. Some would call this a pre-wrath stance or a mid-trib stance but since I don’t believe the four horsemen are during the tribulation I am still pre- trib. I believe the massive earthquake is the arrival of the wrath of God and immediately after we see two things. First God turns back to the Jews and second we see the church standing before Christ in Heaven. Now I am assuming these events are bundled together and only God knows if that is correct.

    By attempting to take a non dogmatic stance I have been able to teach Revelation and prophecy without a single argument or division in our church. I have strong beliefs but respect others’ views on eschatology. As for the Lord showing His own the truth about the end times, soon we will all know exactly how and when it is going to happen because it will happen. Until then I strongly doubt any one group will get it all right or even 100% agree with each other.

  44. Pastor J. Dean

    oh, I just caught it. Islam Antichrist? No I don’t believe that at all.

  45. Pastor J. Dean

    Islam will fail just as communism, socialism, capitalism, democracy and even forced Christianity has and will. Mankind is given time to try every form of government and idea they can come up with to make things in the world right. Of course nothing we come up with will work and only Christ can make it right.

  46. Vic

    Pastor Dean, you have some wise words in your comments. I am also gonna differ from you on some points, but as we get wisdom from the Lord many things can change. Your rapture view is the same as most on this site, except we await the tribulation event before the wrath of God, so we believe Christians will be persecuted first under the antichrist for a short period.

    And yes I agree, no group will ever be able to say that they had it all figured out. And for that reason we can discuss and expect to be greeted with oposing views. As long as discussions are in the boundries of the Bible and in love, different eschatological views are fine. That is how we learn. So please keep on discussing with us, but expect resistance in views thats oposing the general view of this site.

  47. shorttribber

    I believe satan (The Loser), was cast out long ago in the spiritual or authoritative sense, but i do still believe it will also occur in the literal sense in the very near future….very near future.

    This follows along the layered design of prophecy……..1,260/1,290 years=days (spiritual) ref.
    And 1,260/1,290 LITERAL future days still ahead…..and soon to be fulfilled.

  48. justasheep7

    ” I don’t believe that prophecy is given to figure everything out.”
    Amen

    I appreciate your taking a non-dogmatic stance ont he teaching of prophecy, I think that is wise and commendable for keeping the focus of the church where it should be, on Christ. Many of us tend to be pre-wrath here (hope I’m not painting with too broad a brush here). I think though even though we tend toward there, there are many ideas and speculations about the meaning of many of yet future prophecies of scripture. I’d be the first to agree, there is a past component to Revelation 12, but as has been pointed out below by Hisown, the inclusion of 1260 days and the times, time and half a time in the text suggests some connection to the prophecies of Daniel which are clearly end times prophecy.

    If you want put me in the pre-wrath camp, who would prefer to be wrong (since being caught up to the Lord would be far better). We certainly don’t have it all figured out here- so you are more than welcome to chime in to the discussion as you see fit.

  49. Mr Baldy

    Dear Pastor Dean,

    With all due respect…….. you have mentioned that Hisown has made some assumptions, but you too sir, have made some assumptions as well.

    As I have read your comments, you are “assuming” that Satan no longer has access to the 3rd Heaven – what Scripture do you base this on?

    Just because Satan has been cast out of Heaven – to which I do agree; no where in Scripture do I see that He no longer has access to the Throne.

    Please provide Scripture to prove your apparent assumption.

    Thank you.

    Baldy

  50. Oneday

    7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

    8******** And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.******

    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

    11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

    12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

  51. Oneday

    Ummmm, thst was Rev. 12….sorry!
    I truly believe that when there is something big going on in the heavens, that it manifests in some form here on Earth. Which is why we who are spiritually sensitive are feeling these things, seeing these things happen…

  52. shorttribber

    “10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, ….Now …..is come salvation, and strength, …..and the kingdom of our God……., and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

    If the Kingdom had, in many years past, LITERALY COME at the casting out of The Loser, why would Jesus have instructed His disciples to pray FOR the Kingdom of God TO Come.
    It is here Spiritually and Authoritatively………But not LITERALY……YET….But so soon…very, very soon.

  53. Mr Baldy

    Oneday,

    Thank you for providing Revelation 12:7-12. Those verses describe a “Future” event, as some have said. That particular passage of Scripture proves this point – as the word “accused them” – meaning past tense, is stated in verse 10.

    What I believe that Pastor Dean is forgetting is what Jesus stated during His Ministry on Earth – and of course you all know this is prior to His ascension. It can be found in Luke 10:18, which states:

    ” And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.”

    Now, the question becomes: How can this war with Michael, his angels and Satan occur in heaven – if Satan no longer has access – and Jesus plainly states that He saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven?

  54. hisown1

    I can’t believe it…Mr B I just lost all that I wrote but praise God He had you on it already !!! LOL.

    Praise God Mr B that just rocked my world!

    For sake of clarity I will use another version ….

    THE ONE WHO HOLDS BACK – Michael :)

    For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved (2 Thessalonians 2:7-10).

  55. hisown1

    Amen OneDay ! how does one even try to explain the grieving in our spirits? How does one even begin to express that to the nominal ” church person” anyways?

    Mr Shorty you keep on blessing us with little titbits of posts, would you please expound on your commets like ” It is here Spiritually and Authoritatively………But not LITERALY……YET….But so soon…very, very soon. – but i do still believe it will also occur in the literal sense in the very near future….very near future.
    1,260/1,290 LITERAL future days still ahead…..and soon to be fulfilled”

    Something tells me you believe we are standing on the brink :)

    Please pray tell :)

  56. shorttribber

    The Loser is Spirtually and Authoritatively cast down. The Loser is under our feet as we are seated in Christ at the right hand of God in Christ.

    But The loser will be GIVEN power OVER the Saints in the LITERAL/PHYSICAL sense soon…….BUT………………NEVER……………in the Spiritual and Authoritative sense.

    The Loser is a Loser………………..his AUTHORITY is over………But his actions and his LITERAL war in the heavens and on earth are not yet over.

    When the Kingdom of God and the Power of His Christ COMES…….Day one of the last 3.5, day one of the Final Witness, day one of the second half of the Confirmation with Many, day one of the AOD……………………God’s Kingdom will be LITERALY here on earth, and then the LOSER will KNOW his TIME……….IS………SHORT!

    Nothing will stop the Church of Almighty God then……………..NOTHING!

  57. justasheep7

    Scripture confims what Shorty is saying

    Revelation 13:7
    Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them.1 And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation,

    -it is allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them (though we know from other scripture that the victory is a hollow one, since in Christ the victory is already won).

  58. andre' leibee

    i’m starting to miss the thumbs up feature! the Word sure answers for itself doesn’t it!?! good comebacks. no wonder we are feeling in our spirit’s what we feel–on the brink for sure. this summer and fall is fixin’ to get pretty wild if you ask me….soon-persecution will be going to a whole new level-sooner than most realize. are we girding up our minds in the Spirit and have the belt of Truth strapped on tight???…….(i’m speaking as much to myself as anyone)….

  59. shorttribber

    Yes….notice the words……………Scripture Confirms………….The Confirmation with many.

    The Word of God Confirmed the first 3.5 by Christ and His Word will Confirm the second 3.5.

    We’ll see if what i’m saying is truth soon IMO.

  60. hisown1

    Ps. I was ready to ” quit ” posting last night. The Lord had to remind me that He will show His own though His word and that His job ” That His WORD is TRUTH and that He has promised not to let that return void.

    Andre, Oneday, Mr B and Mr Shorty thank-you for blessing my socks off today! I love you guys!

    I’m almost too excited to post!

    The beach is looking pretty inviting right now.

    See ya later :)

  61. J. Dean

    Yes Mr Baldy, we are all making some assumptions based on our interpretations of scripture. I believe that my assumption that Satan has been caste down and no longer has a right to accuse the brethren is very strongly supported by the Bible in general and many scriptures specifically. If anyone has any scriptures that seem to support Satan prancing through Heaven accusing the brethren of sin after the blood of Jesus Christ was shed I am open to view them.

    Rather then taking hours to copy and paste I will just say that I believe every scripture about the cross and what was accomplished on the cross for our sakes speaks of Satan’s utter defeat and loss of the right to accuse us before God. The blood of Jesus was powerful enough to win the victory 2,000 years ago and there was no delay once it was presented in Heaven. In other words Jesus did not shed His blood so that the devil would eventually be defeated. He defeated Satan and took the keys of death, hell and the grave back then.

    To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord and the saints are not up there watching Satan accuse the brethren before Jesus day in and day out. Of all the visions John has of the throne there are no devils present whatsoever, only elders, angels and beasts worshiping the Most High. Heaven is not a place where we get to watch Satan spew his accusations rather it is a place of worship and glory for all the redeemed who have gone on to be with the Lord.

    I do believe similarly to what several others have mentioned. I believe Satan is defeated in principle and in authority but not yet forever bound or physically destroyed. He still has a short time to roam the Earth and deceive and devour who he can but his days of going before God’s throne to point out our sins are over.

    The scripture is clear that God the Father is invisible and no one has seen Him. Jesus is the physical manifestation of God and He is the one on the throne in Heaven. To me it is asinine to believe that Satan has a right to go before Jesus and point out our sins when Jesus has paid for them in full. That would be like someone going to the one who paid your light bill to argue that you owe for the light bill.

    If I did not understand these things then demons would intimidate me and so would diseases and infirmities among men. But because I know about Christ’s conquering work I am able to caste out devils and see sick people healed. I have seen these things many times and only when I am standing on Jesus finished work and knowing Satan has been defeated. I have never had a demon argue with me and bring up my sins when I stand on Christ’s finished work. If he has no authority to do that on Earth then how could I ever imagine him doing that up in Heaven.

    I preached for years and saw very few people healed and certainly no demon’s coming out of people. But through knowledge of the finished work of Jesus Christ taught to me by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God I have since seen many healings and deliverances. It is finished and no interpretation of Eschatology will convince me otherwise.

    I rejoice with the brethren on here who are excited because Satan will soon be bound and physically destroyed. I agree that will happen soon.

  62. J. Dean

    I am not forgetting what Jesus said. I believe Jesus was talking about the initial fall and casting out of Satan and I don’t think that has anything to do with his right to accuse the brethren in Heaven now. We are discussing Satan’s right to go before God and accuse men of sin as he was doing in the Old Covenant such as in the book of Job long after he was caste out of Heaven.

    Satan’s first casting out was being thrown out of the house so to speak. He was no longer allowed to live there but could come up and talk to God about our sins and demand justice and permission to kill, steal, destroy and devour men. When Jesus ascended into Heaven with his blood and proof the penalty had been paid there was another casting down that rendered Satan’s accusations defeated also. Now he can longer go before God and he is thrown down here to stay for a short time.

  63. J. Dean

    Thanks Justasheep7 and vic for your hospitality. God bless.

  64. Lafreak

    This whole topic has been interesting reading.
    Whether Satan has been cast out or not doesn’t really matter in my opinion. All i know is he is going to drag down so many people to Hell with him and that’s the real point. Its all about people and Satan’s goal is to not let them be with the lord for eternity.
    We know he gets his time physically for 42 months and on top of all the people who died so far without accepting Christ he wins all the time regarding taking people down with him. This is about all of US not a war between God and Satan. God created Satan and he doesn’t need to win anything he is the almighty. Satan is a rebel who wants to drag as many as he can down with him.

    12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    Now if you keep reading that verse above flows right into:
    Rev 13:5: And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies and power was given unto him to continue for forty and two months.
    SO that sounds to me in plain English that he gets cast down to earth and has 42months (3.5 years) to do his worst before the Lord comes back.

    and then

    Matthew 24:38“For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be.

    So again i cant see how he has been cast out when he gets cast out before the last 3.5 years ( he cant get cast out twice).. and as said in Matthew 24, that implies Christians and the rest will be here until the lord returns and have to cop Satan’s wrath and endure like the rest of the world.

    Then there is the Mark of the Beast and As i have stated before.. when people receive the Mark of the beast there will be Christians who also accept it thinking they should be raptured first so that cant be the mark…
    The mark of the beast is more a test from the Lord rather than from Satan.. Why would Satan care if a non christian gets the mark when he already has their soul? He doesn’t. Its the Christians he hopes take it and when the government says to people take this or no food for your kids and get killed or booted out of society people will panic thinking the Lord has left them and will take the mark. Its pretty clear and simple.
    IF the rapture happened and Satan marks the rest there is no point.. They are already condemned anyway
    Christians will be the ones who he will target as any non christian is already going to hell with Satan.
    Cheers,
    Peter.

  65. Mr Baldy

    Dear Mr J Dean…… I have noticed that you have taken the title “Pastor” from the way you have identified yourself on this forum. Interesting.

    You have also mentioned that you are Pre Trib – not that that really has anything to do with the topic of discussion, as you have only answered what someone had asked you, but I must say that from the information that I have witnessed, most Pre Trib folk “read into” Scripture. You know, as in place things that aren’t there because they “think” things ought to be a certain way – or better yet they “believe” things should be a certain way, just because they “feel” it just has to be that way. You sir, appear to fall into this category as well. Now if I may prove my point……

    You have offered absolutely NO Scriptural support to back your claim that Satan no longer has access to the Throne, but in contrast you make this statement:

    “If anyone has any scriptures that seem to support Satan prancing through Heaven accusing the brethren of sin after the blood of Jesus Christ was shed I am open to view them.”

    I find this very interesting, in that the very same Scripture that you initially mention (but never provide) – in Revelation 12; clearly shows Satan in Heaven fighting against Michael and his angels, and it also mentions the fact that there was no longer a place found for them “any longer” after his defeat. The operative word is “any longer”. This is hard evidence that this remains future – as he then comes down with “great wrath”.

    As I have previously mentioned, Jesus said in Luke 10:18, that He beheld Satan fall from Heaven as lightening. Jesus mentioned this during His Earthly Ministry, and prior to His ascension – which means that there was an initial rebellion in Satan being cast out from the realms of where God resides – however; this does not negate the fact that he cannot enter this realm prior to his war with Michael to (accuse the brethren); then be subsequently defeated during the war with Michael and his angels – only then to be cast out once and for all. After all he isn’t mentioned there in Heaven, at that point, popping pop corn and giving out free tickets to hell.

    I don’t mean to be mean spirited, but as Vic has mentioned – be prepared to be challenged. You have presented things that “you believe” to be true, and sir, the title Pastor doesn’t mean a thing unless you can provide Scripture to back your claims. As any believer in Christ would, especially you placing the title of “Pastor” in front of your name – should be expected to give an account as to why you “believe” as you do; instead of coming out on a platform with:

    “Rather then taking hours to copy and paste I will just say that I believe every scripture about the cross and what was accomplished on the cross for our sakes” (This is your statement)

    This is the Body of Christ. Please be prepared to give an account to say the things that you so boldly state, and support it with Scripture. This is what is required of us as mentioned in 1 Peter 3:15 – which sates:

    “But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear”

  66. hisown1

    Mr Baldy I praise God for you!

    Lafreak I need to clarify that I personally do not believe Satan has been cast out ( yet ) but soon will. ( it’s like he is being held back as evil hoover’s over our earth ?)

    Could this great fall be associated with a ” great earthquake ” as the pit is opened and the demonic is released ( 6th seal I think it is – And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon) and secondly a massive blow to the once greatest nation on earth as part of her *judgment for Israel as they placed the yoke on her ? ( they shall say , are you the one that caused this destruction ? – Isaiah 14 )

    *Not only for the treatment of Israel but the ” forsaking God ” in almost every accept of the society.

    There is certainly a battle going on and that could be the grieving we are feeling in our spirits, but I so want to believe that we will KNOW when Satan has in-dwelt the man of sin and has started his 42 month ” roaring rule”

    My question though is why did the unwise virgins ( having a form of godliness ) miss the ” event” or what about those that are consumed with being lover’s of self – the three F’s – “food , fun and frolicking ” people – could this be NOT as spectacular as we would expect ?

    As Mr B noted in the ” I saw Satan falling ” scripture?

    Will we or will we not know, that’s the question :) (ed. by sheep)

    Will God keep us guessing , has He not promised that those of us that walk in His Spirit , truth and light – sleep not like others do :)

  67. hisown1

    Agghh Mr Sheep please fix the ” will we or will we not ” typo for me please. I’m sorry. Way to much to say…my finger’s can’t keep up with my thoughts. LOL. Plus I cut out the coffee – fair as I drink English tea hoping that would help :)
    Go figure!
    Thank’s my brother !

  68. justasheep7

    I’m with Lafreak on this one- I think to some extent we may be debating semantics here. I don’t know that I have, or have seen here a clear exposition of a)where satan has been since the resurrection b)what access he has / is denied since then. I DO know – he has no power to seperate us from the love of God, so where he is or isn’t really doesn’t ultimately matter. I DO know that he is the prince of this world, he is a roaring lion seeking who he may devour, that he is coming to this world with great wrath because he knows his time is short!

    I hope you have not taken offense J Dean – we are often a lively bunch who are passionate about what the scriptures do and do not say. The sparks sometimes fly here when there are variations of opinion. Why is that- because it is vitally important, and I think we all want to engage fully our heart, soul, mind and strength. I hope that no one here is discouraged, but encouraged to prayerfully consider the input of their brothers and sisters as we open up the scriptures and do our best to seperate that which is true from that which is not.

    Something else that’s been a big theme here especially this week, is that there is much still in the scriptures which we don’t fully understand, and about future events that I don’t think we can clearly predict exactly how prophecy will be fulfilled. The title of the blog is very appropriate here- since we seek to shine a light on those prophecies that have been unsealed (the fulfillment being revealed to our eyes) and watch for those that remain to be unsealed so that we will know in the time of the Lord’s choosing.

  69. justasheep7

    Thanks Colleen – I hope you are able to get some good loose leaf english tea where you are. My wife enjoys it immensely and we have a special little coffee/tea shop where we get very good beans/leaves to enjoy.

    I think you are thinking of the 5th trumpet:
    And the fifth angel blew his trumpet, and I saw a star fallen from heaven to earth, and he was given the key to the shaft of the bottomless pit. He opened the shaft of the bottomless pit, and from the shaft rose smoke like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened with the smoke from the shaft. (Revelation 9:1-2 ESV)

    That passage has been on my mind a lot since we started this discussion. I don’t know if it’s relevant to this or if it depicts some other event. In a way it seems relevant – since it mentions a “star” falling from “heaven”. I know in Isaiah 14:12 and Luke 10:18 it points out that the symbol of a star falling from heaven refers to satan. I find it interesting that also in Rev 8:10 the third trumpet is a star falling from heaven to harm the waters of the earth. Most recently, when I look on the trumpets they all seem to be contained within the time of the 7th seal, and reflect the beginning of God’s wrath on the earth. I could be wrong, but I don’t think we will be present on the earth when these things take place since we are not destined for his wrath. I’ve been of the opinion for a long time that we are snatched away to be with the Lord sometime between the start of the 6th and start of the 7th seal.

  70. J. Dean

    You answered your first question before you finished your barrage of irrelevant statements. You started by asking me why I removed the title pastor from my name and before you could get done you were trying to use that title to attack me and claim I was not answering to the caliber of a pastor. I knew it would eventually be used by someone irritated to attack me. It never fails in any debate or discussion when someone gets irritated and runs out of relevant data or reason they begin slipping in personal jabs which your last post is chock full of.

    Your only scripture reference for Satan having access to continue accusing us before God is Revelation 12 which is the very place we are disagreeing on its timing. Luke 10 is completely irrelevant to this conversation since Satan’s initial fall has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about. You cannot show me any scripture that says Satan can still go into the third heaven and accuse us before the very one who paid our price. If you want to assume that is what Revelation 12 says then that is your prerogative. To me it clearly says the exact opposite and it does not matter how I “feel” about it.

    As for taking my statement out of context that I don’t have hours to copy and paste and then saying I have not provided any scriptures, that makes me wonder if you are speed reading my posts. I have mentioned Joseph’s dream that shows who the woman is in Revelation 12, I have mentioned the fact we are seated far above all principalities with Christ in Heavenly places, I have mentioned the fact that before Christ no men could enter into heaven and after Christ they can. I have mentioned Jesus having the keys of death, hell and the grave. I have mentioned the fact John never saw any devils in heaven. I have mentioned the absurdity of Satan accusing us before the very one who paid the debt he is accusing us of owing. I have mentioned that the wording of Revelation 12 shows that the accuser of the brethren was caste down when Jesus ascended into heaven. I have mentioned that there is no New Testament support for Satan being in the third heaven accusing us before God. I have discussed the four horsemen to support my pre-wrath / pre-trib stance. I have mentioned Jesus saying “It is finished”. I have mentioned that the entire New Testament supports the fact that Jesus paid for our sins in full and won complete victory over the accuser of the brethren over 2,000 years ago. I have mentioned that relegating everything in Revelation to the future and a seven year tribulation period is a modern doctrine that cannot be found in historical biblical teachings. I have mentioned the fact that I never saw demons come out of people until I began to believe in their total defeat. I have appealed to common sense and rational thought by saying things like, “That would be like someone going to the one who paid your light bill to argue that you owe for the light bill.” All I have referred too supports a victorious cross that defeated the accuser of the brethren so that we now have all authority over him. If you don’t feel the same way that is fine. I have no attack for you or accusation. I simply disagree with your eschatology.

    I have mentioned all of these things to support my opinion, not prove you or anyone else wrong. You and I have a right to believe as we desire based on what we feel God has revealed to us in His Word. I don’t accuse you of going by your feelings or reading into it what you want it to say though I may feel that way. That is not the way to discuss things as mature brothers in Christ.

    It is perfectly fine to disagree with someone but when you start accusing them of making stuff up that is not there because of how they “feel” and attacking their ministry you are out of line and not mature enough for public discussion with your brother. When we begin to accuse one another and jab at each other it is because the accuser of the brethren is alive and well in the Earth inciting us to do so.

    Not that it really matters but I have well over 600 hours in the book of Revelation alone and just two years ago I taught it for 52 weeks straight. I have never and never will base my beliefs concerning it on my feelings, denomination, general consensus, modern thought, ancient thought, etc, etc. I do my very best to rightly divide the word and seek God while studying it for the insight that can only come from His Holy Spirit. Now, to claim I have heard from the Holy Spirit better than the thousands of believers who have “heard” something different would be arrogant and foolish. What I believe is certainly working in my ministry and life and I have the tangible presence of God with my continually. Certainly my eschatology is not perfect, just as yours is not, but God does not seem to mind. I think he shakes his head at our dogmatic stances on things none of us fully see or understand. One thing for sure it will all come to light soon enough. That we all can agree on.

  71. Mr Baldy

    Well now Pastor J.Dean – if I may still call you that.

    You certainly do feel a need to qualify yourself, now don’t ya? You have mentioned a lot.

    Perhaps at this point, it is a lot of rhetoric. Instead of the rhetoric, how about “cut out” what you “think” and apply some Scripture to the way that you have interpreted what you have read – so that others can form their own opinions, instead of taking a defensive stance.

    Your cop out as far as your unwillingness to support what you say without Scripture is meaningless – at least to me. Cut and paste is easy – the time it take to edify the Body of Christ should be irrelevant.

    Apparently you took time out to write your attack on me, and the disagreement that you have of my eschatology thereof. And it does appear as if it took you some time. I don’t take it personal however. Perhaps my insistence on you backing up what you have presented will light a fire in you enough to put Scripture where your mouth is.

  72. Vic

    Okay gentlemen, lets not make this a personal attack between brothers, but lets discus (with Biblical support) what we understand. Discus the topic, not the person.

    Pastor Dean, although I don’t fully agree with your eschatology, I can see in your words that you do know the Lord. Although we may differ in understanding, I am sure that we can learn from each other. As Justasheep said, the sparks does fly sometimes. Even I have been on the receiving end of it. But I guarantee you that it is in love.

    One thing I can say of Mr Baldy, he has a hunger for the truth that I have not seen in many, and he only believes any statement that is supported by the Bible. If he smells an assumption, told as truth without clear Biblical support, he will be like a hound dog all over you.

  73. justasheep7

    Amen Vic. If we still had thumbs, I’d give that post a thumbs up. ;-)

  74. hisown1

    Vic I like the hound dog analogy….I’ve been called worse by my hubby- eerr like , ” pit bull”….dunno if I should take that as a compliment or not – yet. :)

    One smells, the other bites…ouch! Sorry couldn’t resist!

    Mr B it’s your fine gift of discernment that is a gift. Not for yourself but for the body.Hey you are a cop, I’m was the young widow of a chief , what can I say. We know the ropes, the Lord used our lessons in life for our future ministry so there ya go.

    One of my favourite movie lines ( just to make you guys laugh )

    Ponton: He was just found dead in a training facility locker room. Shot in the head.
    Inspector Jacques Clouseau: Was it fatal?
    Ponton: Yes.
    Inspector Jacques Clouseau: How fatal?
    Ponton: Um, completely.
    Inspector Jacques Clouseau: I want to talk to him now!

    Ok I promise to behave :)

    One last point ( then I promise to leave ) – humility never needs to defend itself – that’s God’s job.

    Humility is never offended :)

  75. hisown1

    Mr Sheep thank-you loving His sheep. I just wanted to let you know that. If you want to put the thumbs option back up , please do. We know that there will be tares wherever we go.They are all part of God’s plan to show us the real and the counterfeit in these days of great deception.He has shown me they too have a purpose – ouch that was painful to say :(

  76. Lafreak

    Greece crashed 4.5% in a matter of seconds today…
    Looks like the economic dominoes are about to start.
    If they get booted out or leave the euro-zone they will still owe their debt in Euros.
    SO going back to the drachma wont really do anything for them as it will be worthless pretty much and will only add to their debt. There is no way out and its about to get alot worse in my opinion.
    Keep watching and preparing with food and supplies , another massive crash is imminent.

  77. hisown1

    Reply to J. Dean.

    I’ve been away all day today to find this in my inbox – I quote you. ( Maybe your comment was deleted and removed I don’t know)

    ” How old are you Mr. Baldy? Am I talking with a 15 year old or just someone mentally slow?”

    You know Dean I’ve been wanting to share a scripture with you for the longest time but felt it was NOT time. It is now.

    Jer 5:31 — The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

    Are you not supposed to be an example to the flock? ( don’t answer that as your character clearly shows here again )

    Two days ago I wanted to share with you why the Lord has called me out of the harlot church ( no different than than the RCC) and why this knee doesn’t bend to any other but Christ but that is now irrelevant. RCC pope or Protestant priest, I refuse to kiss the ring and have the right as a child of God to question you or any other that thinks they have RULE over His own.

    God gives me the right to question- He told me so :)

    I pray that you would rather prepare “your flock” for what we are about to face as God will require them from your hand…but I suppose you silence them as you tired to do here. Like don’t question me I’m like the pastor ye know :( So sad really. A TRUE shepherd FEEDS his flock with a gentle quite spirit. I see none of that. I’m sorry.

    May God open your eyes to the needs of those around you that are begging for answers, yet find none.

    Shalom. I said my peace.

  78. J. Dean

    Ok, sorry for the last question. Perhaps you are sincerely not catching the many scriptures I have referred to because I failed to paste the chapter and verse. Sometimes I am guilty of thinking people have a basic knowledge of scripture as a whole and have read through the bible enough times to catch it when a part of it is mentioned. It never ceases to amaze me when I ask the church, “Do you remember when Jesus said so and so?” and they look at me like a deer in headlights. I am sorry for assuming that you knew the Word well enough to catch the many places in scripture I have referred to.
    I will take a few minutes to give a few chapter and verse references.

    Colossians 2:13-15 (KJV) 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

    All of this is past tense and a work that was finished on the cross. What is finished?

    1. We have been quickened together with Christ. That means we have been filled with God’s resurrection Life and that we have been made His righteousness and perfection.

    2. All of the ordinances that stood against us have been nailed to his cross. That means the Law that we were all guilty of breaking is done away with through faith in Christ and therefore none of us who are true believers, who have been quickened together with him in newness of life, have any guilt whatsoever. We have no guilt at all so no one can accuse us of anything. Don’t get lost this is all very elementary.

    3. He spoiled principalities and powers and made an open shew of them triumphing over them through the cross. This means that He defeated the accuser of the brethren and publicly humiliated him and all his followers who thrive on their accusing nature. Jesus has defeated Satan and yet Satan still rages in the world. Why? Because he did not defeat him for the world yet but rather he defeated him for the brethren. He has been caste down and is wreaking havoc in the Earth for his time is short.

    John 3:13 (KJV) 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

    1. This means that before Jesus came and died for us that none of us were worthy to enter into heaven. Why not? We all had sin and it would not be just to kick Satan out for sin and let us come in though we were in sin also. The accuser of the brethren and the holiness of God prevented any man’s entrance into heaven. Remember Satan had the keys of death and hades. Why and how did he get them? Why did he have a right to kill and take men to hell? Why does he no longer have that right among all who put faith in Jesus Christ?

    2 Corinthians 5:8 (ASV) 8 we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

    1. This means we can go to heaven now when we die. Why? Because Satan can no longer accuse us and we are perfect and holy through the blood of Jesus!
    Here are a few questions for you

    Why could no one go to Heaven before the cross? Are there people in Heaven now? What drastic change happened to make this possible?

    Who is the one who sits on the throne who lives forever and ever?

    If Jesus is on the throne, is it him that the devil comes and accuses us before? Jesus paid our debt in full and our sins have been eradicated forever. The idea of Satan going into the third heaven to remind Jesus of them is absurd to say the least.

    What does heaven look like today? Where does Satan go when he visits? Does he just wait patiently in the background while worship and praise go up to the one who paid the price for sins and then come and accuse the brethren while the elders and all the saints quietly hush to hear his defeated gossip? That sounds like a doctrine of devils who do not want us to know they are defeated.

    Revelation 4:10-11 (KJV) 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    How is it that though we are now seated with Jesus in heavenly places that you believe Satan gets to come before our seat of perfect righteousness and accuse us of unrighteousness?

    Ephesians 1:20-23 (KJV) 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
    Ephesians 2:1-6 (KJV) 1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

    How is it that Satan can bring accusations against those who have been made perfect by the blood of Jesus?
    Hebrews 10:14 (KJV) 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

    Why would Satan still be able to go before God’s throne to accuse us since Jesus, though his substitutionary death, destroyed Satan on behalf of all those who put faith in Him?
    Hebrews 2:14-15 (KJV) 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

    We just read that the devil had the power of death and Jesus demolished that. So now we know how he got the keys of death and hades? What exactly qualified him as the Son of Man and our eldest brother to get them? What qualifies Him to keep them?

    Revelation 1:18 (KJV) 18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

    If part of the New Covenant that we are under is for God not to remember our sins then how can Satan be going there to remind him of them? That would be another absurdity!

    Jeremiah 31:34 (KJV) 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    Again, it is because of these scriptures and many others concerning the victory of Jesus and our complete redemption that I do not believe heaven is a place where Satan is going day and night to accuse the forgiven and perfect saints of God.

    We can agree to disagree without attacking, accusing and being disrespectful.

  79. J. Dean

    Sorry if I hurt your feelings. I tried to be nice over and over but that obviously does not work with some people. I think the way your friend kept responding in a condescending way with personal jabs called for a little witty satire. Considering you were cheering him on I assumed you were enjoying the show. Once I finally bit back you called me a false prophet, bad pastor and said you know my character now. I feel like that is a double standard or perhaps I just hit a nerve?

    As for you leaving the apostate church, have you found the non apostate church yet? According to Jesus the gates of hell will not prevail against his church. So, to say the whole thing is apostate cannot be accurate. There are dead churches and certainly every church is imperfect because imperfect people are in each one but the church is still alive and well and the Word of God commands us to be a part of it and give up our lives for the brethren in it. Of course there are those who cannot or will not flow in unity and love with other believers and eventually they end up on their own. Hopefully that is not the case with you or anyone in here.

    God bless you all and I will be glad to exit and let you guys get back to affirming one another in what you have in common.

    Blessings,
    Brother Dean

  80. hisown1

    Dean you don’t intimidate me at all. Enjoyed the show? wow !

    Your sarcasm is not fitting a pastor. I’m sorry.

    You said ” As for you leaving the apostate church, have you found the non apostate church yet? ”

    Actually I take this scripture very seriously and REFUSE to as Timothy put’s-” be partaker of other men’s sins”.

    Judgment BEGINS in the house of God, but then again you should know that right :)

    Rev 18:4 — And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

    When you placed yourself ” above ” us and your speech was so condensing you reminded me of many I’ve met in my walk- Gal 6:3 — For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

    Men who refuse to be accountable to their flock and use their position to silence all those that would challenge their man made pre trib position- even if it defied everything the Holy Spirit was leading one too. That Dean is my concern with you and the reason for the ” RULE WITH THEIR MEANS ” part of that scripture.

    Also I will go as far as to call the pre trib position a false doctrine yes.

    I refuse to continue in another discussion with you and promise to pray for you and the flock .Maybe the Lord will send one of his servants to confirm what has been discussed here. I know and trust that He will. He is just that AWESOME!

    Shalom and please don’t go away. Seriously we are all here to learn and be sharpened.

  81. shorttribber

    Brother Dean,
    I believe the reasons and ideas you’ve shared here entirely possible and can accept that any of the things I’ve shared completely wrong, i just can’t be absolutely sure.
    I believe very strongly that the things i’ve shared are very accurate.
    But, let God be true alone, He alone is.

    Bless you too Brother.
    Shorttribber.

  82. andre' leibee

    amen shortribber. i pray that all here will proceed now to go carefully with each other–esteeming others more highly than they do themselves (and their eschatology taking a backseat to loving and affirming) in Jesus the Lord. we must not presume or assume about one another-that is hurtful in all directions-even for the bystander-but Love edifies all. i myself have to eat my own words sometimes and they are sour!—but there is Mercy and Grace for this too!!! Love covers the multitude of sins and aren’t we glad! i love you all in Jesus our Savior.

  83. andre' leibee

    don’t know why my comment after shortribber got put above rather than below his answer–anyway—thanks shortribber for your bottomline thoughts about all this.

  84. Mr Baldy

    Vic, Rob, Colleen, Shorty…and others,

    I guess you all know that it has never been a matter of not knowing Scripture for any of we who frequent this wonderful web site – and even for those who on a first time basis just happen to drop in. And it’s really not just having an ability to quote Scripture,and applying your own interpretation to it – to which many are mislead; but by putting the Scripture with what one is saying, and allowing one to decide if what you are saying is biblical. This edifies the Body of Christ; to those who are not as familiar with Scripture, and to those who are looking for the Truth.

    Vic has stated plainly that Dean would be tested. Any true Pastor of his “salt” – or anyone that can hold his own, will not result to insults; even when he is insulted. The bible is true when it says that you will know them by their “fruit”. (Matthew 7:15-16)

    15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits.”

    I won’t add anything more to what you all have said – other than to say that I believe that Dean has correctly removed the title of “Pastor” from his replies.

  85. Vic

    Wise. Very wise words Sis. I am also very guilty of talking first and then thinking what I have said.

  86. J. Dean

    I assume that knowing them by their fruits is recognizing what spirit they are of by how they treat one another. Coming from you after all you said about me before I even said anything smart back that is pretty bold. How about the scripture that says

    Matthew 7:2-5 (KJV) 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

    Do you who judge others do the same thing? Anyone who would call someone a false prophet and a false shepherd because they used some sarcasm after being personally insulted is a little confused. My wife is the sweetest Christian that anyone I know has ever met but I have learned if you bite her enough she will eventually bite back. Does that make her a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Of course not, that makes her human and has nothing to do with being a false prophet. Jesus constantly rebuked holier than thou religious people who thought they had it all together so what does that make him?

    I have been in ministry for 19 years and have never so much as raised my voice at another believer or divided from them and went my own way. I have never forced any doctrine on my “sheep” much less matters of eschatology. I stated that clearly from the beginning. If I am guilty of anything it is calling them like I see them. You were responding to me with immaturity and personal jabs. After trying to be nice and cordial you continued so I finally called it like I saw it and I don’t regret it. If you came in my church with that disrespectful attitude and accusing nature I would do the same thing whether I was the pastor or the brother sitting beside you and you would have another reason to leave the “apostate church.” Perhaps the problem does not lie with the church at all.

    Is it any wonder that some of you have decided to come out of the “apostate church.” You are on here name calling, questioning someone’s salvation, calling a pastor you don’t know a false shepherd and applying double standards to yourselves. Could it be that some of you and some people who frequent these kinds of sites simply have personality disorders and they cannot get along with other believers? In such cases it is convenient to become a holy called out one, isn’t it?

    Most believers are able to faithfully serve with other believers and not leave their churches because of imperfections and imperfect people. They are not in the habit of attacking people who have different eschatology or thinking they have some special insight that exalts them so high above others that they have to leave the apostates behind so they can sit at home and put people down on a computer. Obviously not all here are guilty but everyone should practice some discernment and encourage the ones who are to go to church and seek healthy relationships with real people who are imperfect but seeking the Lord as well.

    God bless you all. He is able to save all of us, even with our imperfections, if we will look to Him to finish the good work he has begun. May He grant you life and repentance and may He do the same for me. Thank God in Heaven we won’t be confused and attacking one another.

    Blessings,

  87. hisown1

    Dean would you please be so kind as to send the link of your church so we are hear your preaching please.

    Thank-you in advance.

    I’m assuming you have no intention of doing that.

    Oh and I too have been in full -time ministry for 19 yrs…I just don’t have the paper’s :) but it sure has cost me all that I’ve loved and held dear too :) Just as Jesus said it would.

  88. yardley7

    Behold, how good and pleasant it is for brothers (and sisters) to dwell together in unity.

    As time grows short, the world will certainly tear us apart, I pray that we can be in unity in Christ Jesus our Lord. Except for the doctrine of salvation and Lordship of Jesus Christ, there is nothing worth tearing brothers apart. Let us love one another in Him.

  89. Lafreak

    This thread went from a sensible conversation about Satan being cast down to a battle ground… We all have our own opinions and views but we all do agree in the Lord Jesus as our savior.
    Some versions vary more than others and when it comes to prophecy and its a hard one to put your finger on and say 100% this is right that is right and so on.
    I reckon everyone should just calm down and relax a bit :)..
    I still think the ENPI theory is worth watching and that’s my opinion but also might be fact but i cant say 100%. I also think Satan will be cast down prior to the abomination of desolation and that might happen soon by looking at current events.
    I also think Javier Solana is out of anyone else in history has done (end time prophecy wise) alot more than any other person regarding who the AC might end up being and is worth watching.
    Lets get back on track rather than testing eachother’s biblical knowledge.
    You guys are awesome and we need to stay on the path.
    Cheers,
    Peter.

  90. J. Dean

    Amen and well said. I also find it ironic that a conversation about the accuser of the brethren ended up with people making a lot of accusations against other brethren. I do believe some people need genuine help, correction and patience but obviously I am a stranger who cannot accomplish that for them. Perhaps some others on here who are trusted can be used by God to steer people into the will of God that is revealed in His word. We have an obligation to tell our brothers and sister the truth in love. But I will admit we need to develop a relationship with them before they may be willing to receive it.

  91. hisown1

    Dean please be so kind as to include yourself in the statement above. I say that in much agape love :)

    The enemy has used this to cause d i s t r a c t i o n . He is a destroyer and I can’t even begin to imagine what it’s going to be like in the 42 up coming trib :(

    I just love this verse the Lord gave me back in 2007.

    Isa 66:5 — Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

  92. Mr Baldy

    Dean,

    I actually wasn’t going to comment on any other statements that you have made, but honestly you seem to be a very sensitive person. You come across very arrogant, and proud of yourself . You further seen to have this never-ending need to qualify yourself. I personally don’t care how many hours of study you have, or how long you have been in the Ministry – just as long as what you have to add edifies the Church. Having the right to boast belongs to no man. It appears as if when someone challenges you, you “attempt” to draw them into argumentative points of view, and if they don’t agree with you, you result to name calling – or making subtle comments about them. And this has been you – you alone, and not others.

    Just reading your comments, you have accused some of calling you a false preacher, or making accusations towards you – well, if you are referring to me, if you’ll carefully read what I have posted, you will see that I never accused you of anything. But I have sternly challenged you, and so has Hisown.

    You are sensitive man. You point blame towards others when they ask you to show account for your actions. This is a very effective device, when you’re in a Christian audience – and you play on the emotions of those who want peace. Well, while I am a Christian, I ain’t no Punk – and I see right through your nonsense – or else you would have left it alone. Why don’t you quit pointing fingers, and man up.

    Guys, I don’t want to offend anyone, but re-read what this guy has posted, how he states it, and how he applies his very sensitive emotions to his views. Dean, many won’t communicate to you what I am – but they feel it it their hearts.

    You’re a soft Preacher man. I would say sissy like – but that would be mean. Ok, so I’m a mean dude. But I love Christ.

    In closing, if you feel called out – then I plead guilty.

  93. hisown1

    No glory :)

    Jer 9:24 — But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.

    No competition :)

    1Cr 2:2 — For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

    No seeking praises from men :)

    Gal 6:4 — But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.

    Mr B said ” You point blame towards others when they ask you to show account for your actions. This is a very effective device, when you’re in a Christian audience – and you play on the emotions of those who want peace.”

    D I S T R A C T I O N that is what I was trying to point out in my prior post.

    Dean please hear my heart. We are called to warn, edify and protect the flock right?

    Personally for me to trust you and to test the fruit of your ministry I asked you very kindly to send us the link of your church ( you ignored that request ) so that as bereans we – “in received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so”

    No man has the right to take that God given command from us- like in TEST all things right? Please don’t deny me that :)

    We are in a time of great deception and the Lord keeps on reminding me of the warnings in His Word. I take note when He does.

    Cast out of the ” synagogues”, beaten and betrayed? a serious wake up call for the time we are in. Jesus warned us beforehand.

    But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.Mark 13.

    Jer 9:4 — Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders.

  94. hisown1

    Getting back on track here. Pastor Brian’s commentary is a must read today.

    For those new here :)

    http://www.pastorbrianroberts.com/

    This caught my attention – “The alliance between Iran, Russia, and Turkey is getting stronger from all accounts, and it will be interesting how the G8 summit plays out with the May 23rd Iranian nuclear meeting in Baghdad, which ironically is where the four angels are chained in Revelation even though their moment in prophecy is not here yet.”

    Not yet amen Pastor, but soon :( as Shorty say’s “sooner than you think!”

    Vic please refer to e-mail – Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:02:12 PM seeking the Lord for confirmation then again – Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:43:15 AM.

    Revelation 9

    1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
    2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

  95. justasheep7

    Pastor Brian’s commentaries are always rock solid and very thorough. We are really blessed that he is able to continue watching and sharing his thoughts. I don’t think I’ve ever ready any of comments yet where I wasn’t nodding my head thinking – that’s exactly right.

    I can’t remember the name of it, but I recall a short time back Putin calling for an expansion of a Western Asia pact that would widen Russia’s influence over the region. I also think it is quite interesting that Armenia and Azerbaijan (two of Israel’s only remaining friends in the region) are rumored to be on the brink of war over ngorno karabakh again. Azerbaijan is an important site for airborne support/refuge for any Israeli jets that would take part in an attack on Iran. If the russians intervene, that asset could be cut-off.

  96. Mr Baldy

    I echo the comments on Pastor Roberts.He is in tune with daily events as they may relate to Bible Prophecy. Although I have a slight disagreement with him concerning the fact that there will be a “False Prophet” – I do admire his willingness to not be so closed minded as to rule out the ENP(I) . As a matter of fact, he often mentions it in his commentaries, while others have ruled it out completely, abandoned it – or have never considered that it could be the strengthening (confirming ) Instrument of the Covenant with Many. He has also considered that some other 7 year Covenant could come into play at some point – which tells me that he realizes that we are in the last days. He has demonstrated that he is a faithful Watcher.

    Pastor Roberts, Chris Perver, BerryBlueBerry & Curt of the 70th week; Scott of Born to Watch, Constance Cumbey…and Farmer are a few that can be noted that have good sites bring forth information.

    May God Bless all. Continue to WATCH!

  97. Deb

    The Lord gave me a dream on March 5 of this year. It is a rather lenghty story of how what all he has done with me started a little over a year ago. I at that time “sensed” his near return but then some things in my life that had been in the making (not good) from 24 years ago literally brought me to my knees in desparation on Good Friday of 2011. I told the Lord, I will seek you like I have never in my life but I cannot take the turmoil of what these difficulties have caused any longer that had been going on for 24 years. It had to do with the sexual abuse of my son by a church member who was also my neighber and his wife was the daycare provider for my young son. Anyway…the problems that arise from/with a sexually abused child as they go into adulthood can be traumatic ont he entire family and have been for many many years. Many suicide attempts by my son, and just much heartache. Well…once I fell to my knees, and started diligently seeking the Lord he told me in my spirit…Seek my face, and I will fix your problems”…So that is what I started doing. My diligently seeking led me to study in depth the book of Revelation, Daniel and of course by the time you study all other aspects of the end of times you practically go through every book of the Bible. back in the early part of the year for several weeks the thought came to mind and I had been contemplating that satan would not want the world/Christians to know when the “covenant with many” that starts the final week of Daniel. Well..first of all let me say the Holy Spirit has been “moving” in my belly ( i know weird but I pray you will believe me…as I study truths of scripture),He has given me the gift of discernment ( let me know by moving in me when I am in the presence of demons…specifically demons of perversion…again weird but true) and has enlightened me on many things to be true that i never fathomed was real…such as Nephilims, and much more). Anyway…on the night of March 5, the Holy Spirit literally woke me by moving in my belly ( feels like a million or more butterflys fluttering inside) sometime in the middle of the night. When I woke from this moving immediately the words came to my mind “Quit looking for the covenant it has happened” you are in the final 7 years now”. I asked the Lord…did you wake me so I would remember this dream/words. He moved and moved ( which means yes …well he moves in different ways for different things, but he moved as he does saying yes I did). I then went back to sleep and not long I don’t think after that he woke me again, and when I woke the words came to mind “the next thing to look for is the Abomination of Desolation”…I again, said Lord did you wake me so I would remember these words. Again, He said YES. So…I have been telling as many people I know ( and everyone I know is/was still searching for something that could have been the covenant) about the dream. I know it sounds weird about Him moving in my belly but he does it everyday….when I study, when He wants my attention to spend time with Him, when He wants to warn me of demons, when I take my grandsons to movies, skating, etc and songs are playing that are not of God ( and believe me there are tons) in kids movies…He warned me ahead of time when my car was going to breakdown, He warned me when I made wrong turns while driving, I cannot tell you how the list goes on and on and on. I cannot even begin to get “mad” about anything he feels is not “called” for..or even upset without Him immediately stopping me by moving….I pray you all believe me, He is my Lord, my Master, my Savior…He has cleansed me from the very depths of my soul from the hurts of the last 24 years, He told me who it was/confirmed it was actually 2 people that molested my son…one my son never denied as I told him the Lord told me…i confronted the person that did it…they said “well what about all the good things I did for him”…he cried like a baby, never denied nor admitted it. Anyway, he has worked miracles in my life and part of the miracle is letting me know that we are in the final 7 years now. I pray that those that do not believe in Jesus will seek him and give their life, their hearts and their souls to him. then…prepare for what is to come. Food, water and whatever we may need to last until the Lord returns. I believe we are here through most of the final 3.5 years of the 7 year tribulation.

  98. Deb

    I have come to the same conclusion of a 6th seal rapture…Rev 6:12-13 describes as well to me exactly Matthew 24:29 says and then goes on to say in Matthew 24:31 He shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather his elect, THEN..Luke 21:25-28 is again the same signs/scenario as well as Mark 13:24-27. I pray this is when we are “out of here” :-) before those trumpets start blowing! I tend to think we may be gone right before the last year of the final 3.5 years of the 7. Not sure if these verses mean anything…about how the “wrath of God” will last a year and I think the wrath starts being poured out after the 6th seal as it says in Revelation 6:17 for the great day of his wrath is come. and …if a day is a year as in the final week of Daniel then that makes sense. Also, Isaiah 63:4, 61:2 and 34:8 all reference “a year” when talking about the Lords vengeance. Any thougths?

  99. J. Dean

    Thanks Mr Baldy that was very edifying to all those on here and a great addition to the subject at hand. Your great strength and Godly boldness encourages us all to be stronger for Jesus. I thank God for you Mr. Baldy. You are my hero. I am now your second biggest fan.

    Comment by Vic: Mr Dean, this is vulgar sarcasm. I find it very disturbing that you can use the name of the Lord in blatant sarcastic lies. Shame on you!!! And the whole time I am looking for reasons to defend you. Now I can understand why Mr Baldy and Hisown did not trust you. Shame on you!!!

  100. Wickus

    I think many of you did not notice Deb’s comment about her dream about 4 comments back. Please read it.

    Deb, I am not qualified to judge on how the Lord deals with people. I have heard before of people testifying about a movement inside them when the Lord wants to get their attention. It never happened to me, but I will leave it between you and Jesus.

    The dream that and warning that you gave is sobering. Many people got this type of warnings lately, so I for one sit up and take notice. Personally I also thing we are in the 70th week and the next big event is the AoD.

    Thanks for sharing Deb.

    Vic

  101. Wickus

    Why is my comment under Deb’s? I see Andre also had the problem that her comment just appeared in the wrong place. Anyone else have this problem?

  102. hisown1

    Vic yes there seems to be a problem with the sequence of postings for me as well :(

    Deb I don’t think we have met ? welcome and blessings. If you have been around FP you will remember we discussed the AOD event and the trigger that would catapult us into the 42 month trib back in 2007. Things have just gotten progressively worse as we see not only the apostasy in the ” Laodicean church” but evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

    The Lord had been preparing us for this time’s of sorrows since then and to see His Word not return void is the most amazing testimony of how He will lead and guide us through the soon coming 1260 days trib.

    I wanted to testify of how the Lord is growing our home fellowship ( like in the old days of meeting in homes ) The day before yesterday the Lord sent another two strangers into my life in a parking lot near the beach. It was such a God thing as He planned the whole divine appointment meeting in the most perfect timing and providential perfection.They shared to the finest detail what we share here and expressed their concern for what they are sensing. They felt defeated as they were not being fed and have asked to join us Friday nights :)

    We’ve spoke on the phone since then and it blessed me how the Lord has confirmed through two complete sisters in Christ that are desperately looking for answers to the grieving they were feeling in their spirits. Wow!

    I’m in awe how the Lord is adding souls daily to the ” hey guys something is just not right here ” group :) we ain’t seen nuthin yet !

    What a awesome God we serve!

  103. Vic

    I have changed a setting. If I am correct you will not be able to comment on a comment anymore, but only comment at the bottom of the thread. Let me know if it is better.

    (Ed. Justasheep7- I think that’s better. I think the problem was being able to reply directly to a post, it would try to put the reply directly under the post it was the reply too but if there were multiple replies to a post or replies to replies it would look very very funky.)

  104. Wickus

    And this is in reply to Mr Dean’s latest comment:
    Mr Dean, this is vulgar sarcasm. I find it very disturbing that you can use the name of the Lord in blatant sarcastic lies. Shame on you!!! And the whole time I am looking for reasons to defend you. Now I can understand why Mr Baldy and Hisown did not trust you. Shame on you!!!

  105. hisown1

    Thank-you boetie just for clarity this works much better yes :)

    Yesterday the Holy Spirit reminded me of a verse he gave me in 2007 which I posted yesterday MAY 17, 2012 – 3:06 PM

    Isa 66:5 — Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

    In the wee hours of this morning He reminded me of a man that loved to use malicious words as it is written :

    3Jo 1:10 — Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.

    I wanted to study this little man more and what more the Word of God had to say about ” having no guile in one’s mouth ” when lo and behold the correlating verse was , yes you guessed it Isa 66: 5. I was shocked- well , not really as this is how the Lod has been working in my life since I stopped placing my ” trust in men ” and started to worship Him alone :)

    I will ask Dean( I think it’s the THIRD time now ) to please share his ministry page with us so that we as children of God can ” prove all things ” which could lay the questions to rest.

    Confession time :) After I got saved out of the JW cult, I was on fire ( you guys know my whole story of how the Lord sent me as a young widow to this strange land and don’t feel like repeating it ) and was devastated to witness the very same ” arrogant spirit” I saw (in my preach dad ) in almost every Baptist Fundamental church I went too. It took me about 15 yrs after being saved to pluck up enough courage to even dare to ” question the pastor” and boy I was met with the very same smirky look, the sarcastic laugh, the little innuendoes and the smack on the hands for DARING to question HIM.

    That’s when God called me out and showed me the methods a TRUE Shepard uses as he feeds his flock. It ain’t in cruelty and mocking’s either. Where is the love, the humility, the caring and the feeding? I’m sorry but may the Lord rebuke me if I ‘m in error but I don’t see that and that is what red flagged me.

    It’s not about, look at me I , me or myself Dean, it’s being a vessel God chooses to work though and that is why I stand with Mr B…he has a reputation of being used of God to affirm in more ways than what I can even begin to count as well as those who fellowship here have built up my trust and my respect.

    Why not let us into your world , what are you afraid we might see?

    T R A N S P E R A N E C Y , T R U T H and T R U S T W O R T H Y are the buzz word’s for me :)

  106. justasheep7

    Amen Sis. I don’t think you will be hearing from that man again though. Because of the emerging pattern of insulting comments, sarcasm and a tendency to be stirring up conflict for no particular purpose other than to promote himself I have marked his messages as spam, so they will not be appearing here. I know it happens that hasty words are sometimes spoken, but in the past those that have spoken them have repented and humbled themselves before those that were offended. I hope anyone reading this understands that we are not interested in censoring anyones views here, but we don’t feel that it is proper to give a platform to someone that will seek to dominate a conversation by badgering and insulting posters here into a fight. That is not behavior consistent with the message of the Gospel and will find no place here.

  107. hisown1

    Thank-you Mr Sheep as you look out for our souls.

    These are my last words on the subject.

    Dean the Lord God has blessed with a very fine gift of discernment that has NEVER failed the test as He proves just how trustworthy He is and the promise and of His word – ” my sheep hear my voice, and never follow a stranger yet FLEE from him” has never failed- once. How else would one be willing to forsake all for Christ?

    As a fundamentalist Baptist in all the yrs and my walk with Christ I was reprimanded for DARING to share what the Lord was showing me through His precious Holy Spirit and was DEMANDED that I adhere to those that rule over me. There was no extra biblical whoo hoo stuff just plain the WORD of God lead by His precious Holy Spirit that was being told me ” no there is no such thing today as the gifts are done away with”. Then what alerts me to the falsehood I see I would ask? I was silenced :(

    My concern is that do we please man or God? I chose the latter as the dark days ascend on us pray that those that God those that refuse to accept that the Lord reveals Himself in those that have been emptied of s e l f. A vessel being crushed by the potter’s hand, time and time again :)

    When people look at us they need to say ” WOW WHAT A AWESOME GOD YOU MUST SERVE” ….not “wow what a awesome person you are ” !

    God never shares His glory- period. He told me so :)

    Shalom to all that have read and I pray that the Lord will continue to sift us the closer we get to the appointed time.

    In much agape love

  108. Mr Baldy

    HI Deb,

    It takes a lot to have the strength to come out and share the experiences that you have had throughout your life.

    As I read your testimony, I am reminded of how Jesus warns us over and over again that at His Coming men would be behaving just like they were when the Earth was destroyed by flood. (Matthew 24:37-39) They weren’t WATCHING, as they didn’t believe, and they didn’t have a clue.

    While we won’t know the exact day and hour we will recognize the signs. There is no doubt in my mind that we are in the last days – and I don’t need to be convinced of it either. The signs speak for themselves. Many of you don’t see what is really going on outside of your own environment, or world. Sexual immorality is OUT of CONTROL! It is so bad, that I hope and pray that none here are involved in such a destructive, deceptive, emotionally mind controlling terrible sin. Paul speaks of this sin, in that he warns how very self destructive it is.

    1 Corinthians 6:17-19:

    17) But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. 18) Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. 19) Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own”

    Deb’s testimony speaks volumes to me. I’ve seen cases where little children have been taken advantage of by some sick, warped, twisted minded person, who has been so filled by their own lust – that I can’t help but to believe that the evil that is in them is being demonically controlled. These demons, in my opinion often control those who are predisposed to that sort of sin.

    There is so much sin going on out there in our neighborhood’s that we don’t see – and many diverse sins, such as sexual immorality has been so desensitized, that we become numb to what is going on in our surroundings. We trust people too much – at a time we should be on high alert for these perverts, and men and women of sin that do the Body of Christ no good, but destroy homes and lives.

    It is no wonder that most will miss not only the 7 year covenant that is confirmed, or strengthened, even if it isn’t the ENP(I) – as another one could come, but I believe that many will miss the A0D as well.

  109. hisown1

    Amen Mr Baldy.

    You just got to stop doing that…. seriously, you write what is on my heart and spoken of in the privacy of my home! :) Don’t you just love how the Lord reassures our hearts in ways like this? I do….as my hubby calls it ” Coll’s candy ” :)

    Not that I need to constantly reminded that I’m a princess daughter of the King but it sure helps to heal the wounds of being completely rejected and despised by my own family for the cause of Christ, not to mention most of the religious I meet in my travels.

    1) You said – ” We trust people too much – at a time we should be on high alert for these perverts, and men and women of sin that do the Body of Christ no good, but destroy homes and lives.” 2) I believe that many will miss the A0D as well.”

    How does one even begin to share this concern with a people that God is pouring into our lives in a time such as this? I don’t know what to do with the flow of people He is sending as every single one of them quote the ” Left Behind series ” VERBATIM and have it all down..how does one even begin to cut through the years of this teaching and present the AOD from different perspective . I tried last night in our home fellowship ( which the Lord is adding too daily ) and realized it is only the Lord that can open the eyes of another. He promised amen ?

    Getting back to the original thought of this very long discussion :) I was blessed this morning by a commentary by David Guzik on –

    2 Kings 22

    “Some people forget that Satan and his fellow fallen angels have access to heaven (Job 1:6; Revelation 12:10). There is a well-intentioned but mistaken teaching that God can allow no evil in His presence, meaning that Satan and other fallen angels could not be in His presence. These passages show that God can allow evil in His presence, though He can have no fellowship with evil and one day all evil will be removed from His presence (Revelation 20:14-15). ”

    Good stuff !

  110. andre' leibee

    amen. (i dare not trust the sweetest frame but wholly lean on Jesus’ Name!!!)…………….on Christ the Solid Rock i stand all other ground is sinking sand…all other ground is sinking sand………………………….john 6:66 says from that time many of His disciples went back, and walked no more with Him (tragedy-look at the number of the chapter & verse!) vs. 67-68 say–then Jesus said unto the twelve, will you also go away? (can you hear the Savior’s very heart?). then peter answered Him, Lord to whom shall we go? You have the Words of Eternal Life…………..many call Him Lord but their hearts are far from Him—He will sift and shake everything/everyone before all is said and done-i say this all the time just like Hisown–we ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Lord You are The Rock. i pray for His Spirit’s Power to keep me-us-standing (on the Rock) in these days of continual evil–even so come quickly Lord Jesus!

  111. hisown1

    Whoowhoo sis you just made my day. Gotta share a little secret with ya. I was NOT invited to a family function this week-end ( hubby is there ) and out of my hurt I said ” no worries I don’t need to be in the ” elite club” but only in the “martyrs” one ( I so wanted to add the words – eating, drinking an making merry- then sudden destruction ” but knew that would incite anger ) but my comment was not well received and did get a malicious stab back :(

    Wow we ain’t seen nuthin yet!

    Sifting and shaking…wow I like that!

  112. andre' leibee

    Hisown, you bless my heart. i send to you in the Spirit a holy kiss. also i want to bless yours and anyone else with something the Lord gave me 24 years ago. it goes as follows: (from luke 22-23)
    in the dark hours while a world slept
    He entered the garden to pray
    He knew when He entered
    the Father’s Will
    and He knew this was the day.
    as sweat drops fell on garden ground
    His Blood was already spilling
    God loved His Son
    as Son loved Father
    and for this He was willing.
    the agony then continued as thorns pierced His brow
    again the Blood trickled down the Lamb’s face
    dripping from His cruel Crown
    His Body battered but His Spirit undaunted
    His accusers continued their hate
    they could not break down His Silent Stand
    then mocking they sent Him away.
    a Spectacle to see as the Nails were driven
    suspended between earth and sky
    and then the Blood flowed——from the Lamb that was given
    yes-for you and i.
    ***************************************************************************
    O Savior i see Thee and i see myself
    and the stain i cannot hide
    O with Thy Blood cover me
    in Blood of Thy wounded side.
    The Blood–it took The Blood
    shed in agony
    to make His joy
    to gain His prize
    Praise God!
    He wanted——-me.
    *****************************************************************************
    this came in mere moments after i prayed having read this portion of Scripture then asked for a poem. He blew me away with this answer back. He is acquainted with grief is He not? it is true—nobody knows better than Jesus what rejection feels like so He knows what we go through in this poor broken world. redeeming poor broken us was why He came–it was for Joy (hebrews 12) that was set before Him He endured the cross despising the shame–yes in spite of taking the world’s shame He did this with Joy–but–what a cost to God the Father and Jesus His Son. and now how Beautiful His Glory as He sits at the Right Hand of the Throne of God!!! this is Who is keeping our hearts company when the world says it wants no part of us—(and oh how tragic when people decide they want no part of Him)………………love to all in His Beautiful Name.

  113. Patricia hagemann

    This is truly a confirmation of what myself and the W.O.W. (The Watchmen on the Wall) team has felt in their spirit. Lucifer has truly been cast down and knows his time is short! As we listen to other Watchmen as yourselves, they are saying the attacks have heated up in their lives, and feel an urgency in their spirit that something is about to happen!

    Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

    The corrupted, apostate, 501c3 church’s are teaching lies to the people attending as they are owned by the govt and must obey man instead of God! Woe unto them who are lying to Yahweh God’s creation! Father will gather together the tares and bundle them up FIRST and throw them into eternal torment. They have an escapee mentality and believe they will not go through the tribulation but be rescued from the hell which is about to hit the earth and even now is present!

    Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

    Mat 24:29 Immediately *AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

    Children of the Most High God whose sins have been blotted out by the blood of Messiah Jesus, hold on, continue to obey God’s commandments and remember Psalm 91 as we walk through the tribulation which has and will continue to come upon the earth!

    Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

    Humbly in Messiah’s Service,

    Patricia Hagemann

    W.O,W. Ministries http://watchmanonthewall.webs.com/

    W.O.W. Radio http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thewatchmenonthewall

  114. hisown1

    Andre my sister you bless me beyond words.Thank-you for your true agape love. It shows.

    Hi and welcome Patricia :) We are blessed to have you here !

    You said ” Lucifer has truly been cast down and knows his time is short”

    Recently?

  115. William L. Irwin

    People don’t need the devil to be wicked. Many people can find the devil looking back at them in the mirror.The person in the mirror usually is that persons own worst enemy and the devil knows it. The devil is a convenient whipping boy for people that are in denial of THEIR OWN WICKEDNESS. The coward says,”the DEVIL made me do it”! People are evil and sneaky and they have secret sins that they would never admit. The thoughts of their minds are depraved and sick beyond almost all imagining. Is the body the Temple of the HOLY SPIRIT or has it become a habitation of DEMONS? The Lord said of some that they were of their FATHER THE DEVIL. Just make sure he ain’t YOUR DADDY! Romans 7 and 8 should be kept in mind. You must battle thought for thought against your adversary and cast out of your mind ANY and ALL thoughts that do not conform to HOLINESS.Many believers are conquered right in their own minds right off the bat (immediately). If Satan has your mind, the rest doesn’t matter because you have ALREADY LOST. You must have the HOLY SPIRIT and being able to identify him is even better. Stay IN the HOLY SPIRIT and you have the VICTORY. YOUR LIFE is IN the HOLY SPIRIT. Outside of the HOLY SPIRIT is DEFEAT and DEATH. My own personal story is this. There were times of great distress and mental anguish as a believer. I mean on a daily and continual basis. I was a “true believer”,yet I was literally tormented on the inside by events happening externally,personal interactions with others,my employment situation,my financial situation,the ungodly words and conduct of people around me,temptations presented themselves, all those things and much much more all caused all kinds of thought processes and feelings. Of course I cried out to the Lord. I noticed that sometimes I felt REALLY GOOD and had GREAT PEACE but that was fleeting and momentary and I was right back into the inner turmoil along with my worldly affairs such as my job and interactions with others and the INNER PEACE that was so fleeting, GONE! I silently wished that the LORD would give me that GOOD FEELING and PEACE that felt so GREAT. The PEACE came back and was gone again quickly. I then over time REALIZED that that GREAT PEACE was acutally the HOLY SPIRIT and that I was in a SPIRITUAL WAR and if I didn’t pay attention I could be overcome by evil and LOSE. I learned to identify the HOLY SPIRIT and I learned how to stay in HIM and FIGHT IN THE SPIRIT. I actually had the HOLY SPIRIT the ENTIRE TIME but my inability to perceive him for who he is cost me, years of defeat. I now live the VICTORY. You must wear your armor as described in Ephesians 6. You must have courage and be brave enough to live the VICTORIOUS LIFE that the LORD wants you to live and that HE PAID FOR. The VICTORY IS YOURS. If you don’t fight, and that could be because you don’t know how to or because you are frightened, IF YOU DON’T FIGHT, YOU WILL LOSE and IF YOU DON’T FIGHT CORRECTLY, YOU WILL LOSE! If a soldier is commanded by his CAPTAIN to gird himself for battle and to wear his armor,to put on his helmet,take up his shield and draw and use his sword it is for a VALID REASON. If the SOLDIER disobeys, he will be slain in battle of the ENEMY. The CAPTAIN will not be at fault. Your adversary wants you dead, if you are unarmed and dreaming, scared or disobedient YOU WILL LOSE.

  116. Vic

    Much truth in your comment William. Thanks for sharing.

  117. hisown1

    Amen William you said ” Is the body the Temple of the HOLY SPIRIT or has it become a habitation of DEMONS? The Lord said of some that they were of their FATHER THE DEVIL. Just make sure he ain’t YOUR DADDY”

    You just summed up all I tried to say in the 5 unwise virgin comment :) and you must have taken a peek at my private txt’s today…ONLY KIDDING LOL!

    I’ve been wondering about these ” willing vessels” for this demonic takeover and wanted to know how they came to that point . I got it a few days ago. It’s the life that is focussed on pleasing the flesh and OBEYING he LUSTS thereof. Wow !

    1Jo 2:16 — For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

    He is a liar and a murderer, he obeys the lust for things forbidden. He uses s e d u c t i o n as he did in the garden of Eden.

    Jhn 8:44 — Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

  118. hisown1

    Please pray that read before i post…sorry guys.

    Hey I was never given the opportunity to exercise my right for expressing ” self” so watch out world or should I say duck and dive :)

    So little time…so much to say.

  119. William L. Irwin

    “acutally” should be read as “actually”. oops. Without the Holy Spirit we are absolutely defenseless. When I said scared, I meant to scared to stand up to the devil. The SHIELD of FAITH works every time. BLOCK with the SHIELD, then let him have it with the SWORD which is the WORD OF GOD. Guard your mind against evil invading it . The mind is a spiritual receiver if you will. The enemy is invisible. Remember we are not waging war against flesh and blood. Remember,”Greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world”,I have used that to great effect many times. We have the VICTORY but we are ordered to fight and commanded to use the weapons of our faith. The kingdom of heaven suffers(permits) violence and we are in a WAR. Part of the arrangement is that no matter what happens, we should not be anxious about anything,the POWER of the LORD is UNLIMITED ! The LORD in YOU is truly a no contest VICTORY every time, guaranteed if you have the FAITH. TRUST ME, when I tell you Satan or any other evil entity can’t win against a HOLY SPIRIT FILLED WARRIOR. In fact according to the Scriptures everything is going according to the way the Lord said it would. Great confidence can be had understanding that fact. God wrote it all out in a book and published it and you know what Satan can do to stop it ????, NOTHING !!!! lol lol lol, I repeat, Satan can’t stop it! lol lol I beat him up many times, I have that dummy on the run because the Lord and I are friends and I now know how to stay in the HOLY SPIRIT. God has shown him up so many times and in so many ways. This is really fun to talk about it because I want you all to know just how good I feel. Don’t sweat the small stuff, like the entire world because it is really like a snowman that will melt away when HEATED! Everything you can see with your eyes is PASSING AWAY! So don’t sweat it. It will be dissolved,eventually with GREAT HEAT!

  120. justasheep7

    Amen!

  121. hisown1

    Okay guys get this.

    I was sent this clip this morning and wanted to know if anybody here ” knew” this lady? or have sent her our discussion?

    My little ” concern ” though is how she seems to ” set a date for Satan’s fall ” and wonder if she is connecting that to the upcoming Pentecost – which falls on Sunday, May 27, 2012?

    Oh and Andre I just needed to send you a hug with this post as well sis! you bless my little socks off and praise God for all of you here – daily. I love you guys :)

    Note to all – as Christ is my witness I have never once in my walk with Christ shared anything other than solo scripture and the dream I shared with Vic, Mr B and Scott was the first time that I was led to share. That was on 29 the March 2012 and the “something evil cometh our way dream”.

    So what say ye?

    (ed Justasheep7 – youtube link removed at contributors request)

  122. Mr Baldy

    Colleen,

    I have to be very frank with you and say that her whole message sounds like a form of deception – in that it is filled with date setting; and sensationalism to pray on those who earnestly seek the Truth, in an effort to gain support through their particular ministry, or even in the end – financial support.

    I see “red flags” all over the place – especially when a specific date, times, and/or events are mentioned.

    To those who are Watching……please be very,very, careful of this sort of message.

    In Love,

    Baldy

  123. hisown1

    Mr B , much appreciated.

    As noted I did express my concern of how she ” noted a date ”

    I know that many new people have been coming to the page and asked if anybody here ” knew her” or sent her this discussion.

    Mr B you know we share the same gift of discernment and will go seek the Lord further on this.

    In love,

    Pitt Coll :)

  124. hisown1

    Mr B.

    Oops I forgot to ask you.

    You said ” in an effort to gain support through their particular ministry, or even in the end – financial support.”

    Does she ask for $$ YIKES!!! please direct me to where that is evident. Do I need to go to her page?

    Thank’s brother :)

  125. justasheep7

    I didn’t see the plea for money, but I just visited this woman’s channel on youtube. She has TD Jakes as the first link on her featured channels, that puts her in the “unreliable witness” column as far as I am concerned. Anyone that is following a word/faith modalist heretic like Jakes for teaching is unlikely to have a sound doctrine or interpretation of the scriptures.

  126. Mr Baldy

    Colleen,

    I did not see her specifically ask for money in her video message – but it is implied, in that she provides the way in which they may be contacted.

    Sister, I love you…and you know that. It will be the subtle messages that will deceive, not the direct points in which those who “attempt” to deceive are delivered.

    It is to this very point that I believe that our Lord gives a stern warning about DECEPTION. Please be careful.

  127. hisown1

    Uh oh….

    I’m sorry Mr Sheep I did NOT go to her channel and regret posting that clip now . I did so in haste.

    Please remove this if this will cause anyone to stumble. I did not take the time to see who and what she is affiliated with :(

  128. justasheep7

    Don’t feel bad Colleen- that’s what this fellowship is here for. We help one another to test the spirits to see if they are from God. I’d hate to have us all walking around paranoid about posting anything supernatural in the fear that we might be criticized. The day is certainly coming that I’ll see something that I think you all really need to see and once you see it you’ll say – oh Sheep- did you not notice… ;-)

    Keep watching-

  129. hisown1

    Thank-you Mr B and I love you dearly in the Lord as well brother.

    Are you implying I am being ” deceived ” by this person or am I misunderstanding you?

    Should I have said have said ” I Mizz Hisown Coll Pitt does NOT endorse this ” before I posted it and if you re-read what I posted , it was sent to me this morning and asked if ANYBODY here knew about this lady.

    Deception is rampant Mr B I know that. You called it many moons ago that most of posts “expose” deception……:)

    Now I even refuse to go watch any of her stuff…just in case my name is ” linked to her’s ” YIKES!

    Again I ask that if she is causing anyone to stumble please remove her.

    So quick question. Say the Lord leads me to a verse of scripture.( I txt to any one of my prayer partner’s ). I then meet with a pastor a hour later and as we talk of what the Lord is showing the body, he asks me to look at his “word of the Lord” for the day as noted on his PC…..it confirms the application and the verse in 100% accuracy of what was sent in a txt….hey the man is a Baptist old time preacher and even he was blessed by seeing the Lord confirm in these days :)

    The Lord does this almost every day now…is that not the Holy Spirit’s work or what!

  130. Mr Baldy

    Colleen,

    I was not implying that you were being deceived. My warning to you was that in your efforts to understand the Truth, that you not be overtaken by those who have very subtle messages in their delivery – insomuch that they often don’t have the truth in their hearts, but have a deep desire to deceive those that do.

    Your heart is tender. Perhaps it is from coming from a very deceptive, very false doctrine. I really don’t know. Those who have endured False Doctrine are often those who fall victim to very clever words, easy soothe saying spirits – that often comfort the mind in an effort to find peace. For the most part, it can be a victimization form of sensationalism.

    I love you Colleen, and although I have never met you, I can sincerely tell by your earnest desire to lean the truth, that you desire the Truth from your heart.

    My initial reply to this was that you see through those who desire to destroy through soft words that give apparent medicine to the heart, but in the very end destroy the soul.

    May peace continue to find you, through the Holy Spirit of God.

  131. hisown1

    Mr B.

    You said ” Those who have endured False Doctrine are often those who fall victim to very clever words, easy soothe saying spirits ”

    There is not one of us here that can say ” I will never be deceived” and just when we think WE STAND BEWARE lest we fall right ? :)

    If any of us think we are ” something” we ain’t right ? :)

    When God called me out of the JW cult , He has never once failed to show me ” spiritual decpetion in the ” then not yet- emerging church” that was back in 1993. When ol Rick Warren made his big debut there was only one other person I found that agreed with me that he was d a n g e r o u s and had a ” hidden agenda” which we all see so clearly now.

    I’ve been seeking on the Lord why this ” woman ” has been ” signalled out ( PLEASE I AM NOT DEFENDING HER ) and the other GUYS clips were not?

    Is it possible because she is a gal ?

    Now don’t you dare sniff me out Mr B…I will bite you!!! LOL

    Love you brother …LOL

  132. justasheep7

    Hisown,

    I’ll let Mr B. respond for himself to most of this, but I have a thought about being deceived. Having come out of the Roman Catholic apostate tradition myself, since I’ve come to true saving faith in Christ I think I am even more sensitive to the clever schemes of men. I listened to them for 30 years – now when I hear them from other traditions be it the SDA’s, JW’s, Mormons, Catholics, word-faith, pentecostals, luke-warm mainliners, or “liberal theology” denominations – it doesn’t matter I have a desire to check everything a person says against the Word, and with other commentaries on the word that I’ve found to be faithful guides and resources in the past.

    Where I think Mr. B could have a point about those of us that were not raised in the habits of lifelong bible study – is that we might not have the depth of biblical base for the word of truth to work in us as effectively and as reliably as someone who has diligently studied their whole lives. I do believe though that the Holy Spirit is a huge help here though (to both the well-studied, and the more recently studied) I sometimes heare someone delivering a message or word, and something inside me just doesn’t set right with it, it sounds all wrong. Sure enough, when I’ve had time to digest and check against scripture it’s not hard to find where they’ve gone wrong.

    You are right though – we all need to be on our guard, against pride in thinking we know the Lord and His Word so well that we cannot be deceived and against the drip by drip erosion of unrepentant sin. I’ve been finding these last few years – if it doesn’t seem like my prayer life/spiritual life isn’t going so great that those are the times to double down and ask the Lord to point out sin/guide me into repentance in an area of my life.

    I hope that helps and is encouraging to both of you.

  133. hisown1

    Amen Mr Sheep.

    I stand on these beautiful promises :)

    He ABIDES in me and promises to be the ONE that teaches me amen :)

    1Jo 2:27 — But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    Study to shew yourself approved and am able to discern :)

    Hbr 5:14 — But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

    We KNOW His voice :)

    Jhn 10:3 — To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

    Don’t have much time now but I re-visited the first clip and the 1:40 he makes a pretty bold claim. Will get back to the other clip I posted from “firecharger” later. I got a pastor to meet this afternoon …lol

    Agape

  134. Mr Baldy

    Hisown,

    You are absolutely right. Not one of us can say that we have arrived – and know it all. I sincerely hope that I’m not coming across that way.

    The message that I was trying to relay actually comes from experiencing my own family members who are involved with the very false Jehovah Witness cult. I have personally seen it destroy lives. My uncle is the greatest disappointment. He only believes in this cult because he feels in his own understanding that no one should go to hell. They tell him what he wants to hear, so he feels good about their false message. I have also witnessed other people that I have become close to in my life leave one cult, only to find another one – almost as if they are drawn to various forms of spiritual deception like a magnet. I don’t know what it is, other than to say that it is the power of Satan.

    I have a very deep passion when it comes to deception. It just flat out destroys – and I don’t care what form it comes in, so if I came across a bit harsh and self-righteous, please forgive me, as that was not my intent.

  135. hisown1

    Mr B…

    My faith , my walk, my pain , my sufferings for Christ, my past 19 yrs of complete denial of self, forsaking all for the One I love more than life has just been insulted and I need to let the ” audience ” know that my walk with Christ has not only cost me my everything that I loved but has caused many a false accusation against me.

    Not that I am saying that is what you are doing but for you to make this statement not only hurts but it can not apply to a TRUE born again believer, period :)

    You said ” I have also witnessed other people that I have become close to in my life leave one cult, only to find another one – almost as if they are drawn to various forms of spiritual deception like a magnet.”

    Please don’t use ” other’s ” as a general measuring tool ” to imply something of another.

    Jhn 8:36 — If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

    I love you in Christ Mr B but be very careful of making a statement that does not apply to a true believer born of the spirit that has been set free from the cult.

    I don’t need to defend my continual fight against false doctrine and the deception. That’s God job.

    Love and blessings to you brother :)

    One last point ..let’s be very aware of the time we in and the techniques the enemy will use to being division.

  136. hisown1

    The ” Emerging Cult” .

    Exposing this ” false jesus ” has cost me almost everything and pray that those of us that have loved ones that are being ” seduced and enticed ” by this would seriously ” test to see if they are in the faith”.

    My deepest concern is that no matter how it is represented or shared the hatred for the one exposing the deception is most disconcerting and is seen as the ” enemy”.

    Are we already in the strong delusion? It’s like I can imagine the Lord SEALING the door of the Ark and those on the outside laugh, mock and separate themselves , giving into the pleasures …until the rain came.

    Can you imagine the horror as they tried to climb on board with hands begging to be pulled in? God is not mocked and as it was in the day’s of Noah that door will be shut and the unwise will lament in agony and remorse :( what a sad day that will be!

    Point 5: 26 for those that don’t have the time to watch :)

    2Cr 11:3 — But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

  137. justasheep7

    From what I see around me, both within and outside of the Church – I think you are right, the strong delusion is upon the world, right now.

    I also think Ken Silva has it spot on about the emergent/emerging church and how its slithering under the side of the Christian tent. The article below is important reading.

    http://apprising.org/2012/05/23/dont-be-fooled-by-deluded-deceivers/

  138. hisown1

    What a powerful statement Mr Sheep—” slithering under the side of the Christian tent”

    Wow!

    The slithering serpent seducing unstable souls – But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty

    A double minded man is UNSTABLE in all his ways :(

    The ” Jezebel spirit ” – and the doctrine of Balaam = teaching , trying to SEDUCE the children of God in three areas.

    1) Being a stumbling block.

    2) Idolatry.

    3) Sexual immorality

    What was that again about the three F’s? oh yea, food , fun and frolicking :(

    Rev 2:14 — But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

    Rev 2:20 — Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

    This was the most powerful quote of the article.

    “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bear fruits in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.” (Luke 3:7-9)

    Since God cannot change, the spiritually mature should see that the point is still the same: It’s one thing to say you belong to God, but it’s quite another to have the life to back it up. You don’t think that the Pharisees had any good works; of course they did, but they loved the approval of men, just the same as Rick Warren and Rob Bell and Joel Osteen and Pope Benedict XVI seem to today. I exhort you, don’t be fooled by deluded deceivers any longer because this is what the Lord says to those who are:

    “‘But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, so that they might eat food sacrificed to idols and practice sexual immorality. So also you have some who hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans.

    Therefore repent. If not, I will come to you soon and war against them with the sword of my mouth. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it.’”
    (Revelation 2:14-17)”

  139. hisown1

    Been doing a study on ” food offered to idols “.

    Plonk- that’s me fainting :(

    1)

    The pursuit of musical or artistic excellence for its own sake is a food offered to idols.

    2)

    The lust to seek after excitement and thrills.

    3)

    To party is to abandon one’s self to “fun.”

    4)

    The love of luxury. A person’s life does not consist in the abundance of things he possesses

    5)

    The desire for power and prestige. The desire for power and prestige- but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant: (Matthew 20:25-27)

    6)

    Gluttony. Gluttony is the eating of more food than is needed for good health.

    7)

    Violence.-Anger.

    8)

    Excessive interest in health and physique, exhibitionism, narcissism.

    9)

    Witchcraft.- Spiritual experiences outside Christ

    10)

    Lust and perversions. The Western, “Christian” nations are filled with every form of sexual lust and perversion.

    Will send link to those that request it :)

  140. Brenda Byers

    When I think along the lines of what you are Hisown1, I think about these verses also, I Samuel 15: 22&23.
    22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
    23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
    It is a dangerous thing when we rejected the word of the Lord. Here is another example where the Lord was showing us what is important and again it was ignored. But if it hadn’t been ignored then Jesus would not have had to give his life as a propitiation for our sins. Thank God for his wonderful love and grace!

  141. hisown1

    I think you meant to add the word ” saying” Brenda…lol..whew !!

    Was reflecting on these verses last night- Jdg 10:13 — Yet ye have forsaken me, and served other gods: wherefore I will deliver you no more.

    Jdg 10:14 — Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.

  142. Brenda Byers

    yes I meant to say saying! Sorry I need to read what I write better. Thanks for understanding.

  143. hisown1

    Hheeee that was funny Brenda :)

    In my quiet time today the Lord reminded me that there are MEN whom have been given this “IDOL” statues.

    How quick are we to run to these for comfort , council and consolation yet we
    ignore the beautiful words of our Lord, ” Come unto me all thee that are……”

    Trust in man= idolatry= heart departs from God = cursed :(

    Jer 17:5 — Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

    Zec 11:17 — Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.

    Jer 23:32 — Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD.

  144. andre' leibee

    yes to all above. the verse that came to my mind was: ephraim is joined to his idols-let him alone. forget the bible address (hosea something) at the moment but that sure makes you realize how apostate the spiritual condition of the church-at large-is the world over because of the ecuminical spirit that is now rampant. the born-again believers who know what God puts a premium on are being shut out-and shut up-too. persecution has to come and we know now it is about to break loose in a very big way. be ye separate-come out from among them is the command that the true church will heed. …………..(i knew what brenda meant-ha! but i have to be so careful myself-i can be one keystroke from disaster–yikes!)

  145. jesusforme7

    Hi Everyone!!!
    Long, long time listener. Few posts since 2003 on FP. Yes to all the above!!! I have had visions of Satan falling from Heaven back in February, 2010. I don’t care what happens to me, It’s the people I care about, but no one is listening. I had visions at the time of my divorce, a very, very rough divorce with 2 kids. Now I don’t get to see them because my ex continually lies about the whole mess. She is a believer, just that Satan has convinced her of that the time of the Ezekiel 38,39 war happened in 70 AD. I am trying to forget all this but is hard, very hard to do. I have no regrets per Jesus Christ!!! It’s a long story. Please pray for me, May God bless you and keep you, Rod

  146. hisown1

    Rod I promise to pray for you and that the Lord show you He has given you His word that He WILL recompense tribulation to those that trouble you :)

    Best is to deliver her over to the Lord as vengeance is His amen? Watch Him work in ways that not only will increase your faith, but it’s a opportunity to GLORFY HIS NAME as He does!

    Ouch that hurts but is works out a far better……:)

    2Cr 4:17 — For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

    One a side note …..

    Seriously who let the crazies out?

    Do you guys feel it or am I being way to sensitive again huh ?

  147. jesusforme7

    I’m feeling it too.., big time!!! Sorry I forgot to mention that. Thanks for praying. for me.

  148. hisown1

    You are so welcome Rod.

    Guys come on like seriously when we think of Sodom and Gomorrah( and her destruction ) the first sin that comes to mind is?

    Come now be honest you thought that but……

    Let’s see what the Word of the Lord described the men and woman of those days…..

    1)PRIDE

    2) FULNESS OF BREAD

    3) ABUNDANCE OF IDLENESS

    4 ) NO HELP FOR THE POOR AND NEEDEY

    What’s that again? Food , Fun and frolicking right :( it’s all about, I, me and myself= idolatry :(

    I had to hold both hands over my mouth as I wept over this passage today.

    Oh Lord God I can’t handle the evil we see ….

    Eze 16: 49 :(

  149. jesusforme7

    Hisown, should I prepare or rest in Jesus?

  150. justasheep

    Both Rod! Both!

  151. jesusforme7

    ok, thankyou! Bless You!!!

  152. jesusforme7

    But Jesus said: revelation 3:10. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
    -Rod

  153. jesusforme7

    The point is why prepare if He is going to save us from the hour of trial??
    God Bless – Rod

  154. justasheep7

    But He has also said through his apostle:

    “Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice insofar as you share Christ’s sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or as a meddler. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And
    “If the righteous is scarcely saved,
    what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”
    Therefore let those who suffer according to God’s will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.”
    (1 Peter 4:12-19 ESV)

    You are right – we will not be here during the hour when God’s wrath is poured out full strength upon the earth. At that time no man can stand – but we will be allowed to face a time of trial – to the glory of our God, for he himself will see us through it.

  155. hisown1

    Rod may the Lord overwhelm you with His love today as you look to Him as He leads and guides your path in the dark days ahead. Remember He is the AUTHOR AND THE FINISHER of our faith :)

    You are in my prayers!

    ” Kept” that is the operative word :)

  156. hisown1

    The five unwise virgins.

    Being given space to repent.

    And the door was closed shut.

    These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

    For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

    Many will be OFFENDED and BETRAY one another.

    The Lord pulled me back to this verse in Ezekiel this morning and led me to another understanding in scripture I never saw before :)

    Eze 16: 21- 49 — Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride,fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

    1) Pride.

    2) Gluttony.

    3) Idleness.

    4) No strengthening the needy/ poor.

    5) Built high places.

    6) Whoredoms by false worship

    7) Idolatry.

    To name but a few of the sins God saw that caused Him to rain down fiery jugement on Sodom and Gomorrah.

    We are so there :(

    God reminded me of this verse and the spirit that rules in the hearts of men in these end times :(

    1) Lust of the FLESH.

    2) Lust of the EYES.

    3) PRIDE of life.

    1Jo 2:16 — For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

    But ” Lord, Lord did we not….”

    Only those DOING the WILL of God. ( No wanna b’s in the Kingdom of God )

    1Jo 2:17 — And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

    End time antichrist spirit- seducing with the LUST of the flesh.

    1Jo 2:18 — Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

    Those outside of the ark – The ” great apostasy” in these end times as we watch in horror those that ” CONTINUED NOT ” but went out from us :(

    Food, Fun and Frolicking just “hanging loose” outside the ark :(

    1Jo 2:19 — They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

    The sin’s , the character of those that ” went out ” :(

    1) Cowards.

    2) Unbelieving.

    3) Abominable.

    4) Whoremonger.

    5) Sorcerers.

    6) Idolatry.

    7) ALL Liars.

    Rev 21:8 — But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:which is the second death.

    None of these will enter to DEFILE- the ” great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God”

    Rev 21:27 — And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

    God have mercy!

  157. Anthony

    Well it’s certainly nice to see so many other crazy people like myself.LOL . I feel like i’m living in the twilight zone. To know the truth and want to be able to tell everyone about it, but to know they won’t hear a word you say. When I first started learning everything, especially about those who follow the enemy, I really thought everyone would see it so easily as I did. Wow, don’t think I could have been more wrong about that one. I kept hearing that once you were saved that you had this great feeling. Don’t get me wrong, I feel honored, completely unworthy to know, but in general I feel scared, sad, and depressed that so many people just can’t get this. They just don’t care. They are literally asleep at the wheel. I have always had these feelings like this whole world was a lie, but didn’t learn until I sincerely prayed to God for the truth. And he showed me more than I ever thought was possible. And now I realize how much more I still don’t have a clue about. This is not scripture, but has been gnawing away at me. I had seen some material saying that the 4th of July was the day that Satan would be cast to the earth. I didn’t think much about it, since you never know what is true or not unless it is in the Bible. But that night, I saw the lowest hainging blood red moon. Thought it was ominous, but we have had others so didn’t really make any connections. Until I woke up in the middle of the night to the craziest lightning storm ever. It was just constant lightning. A little thunder, but this lightning seemed other worldly. I still didnt make the connection. The next day I started thinking of that passage how Satan would fall like lightning from the heavens. Then I remembered that information I had read. It is now what is stuck in my head. Was wondering if others had or heard anything along these lines. So much has happened to me, that now I can’t really ignore these kind of feelings. But I just feel so drained and just don’t want to be in this wicked world anymore. I’m scared for my family and friends, but just don’t have it in me right now to try and help people anymore. I’m just so tired of trying to wake people up. So many just think they know everything without looking into anything. Feels like i’m just going through the motions. Work is so unimportant, but I’m still living in this world and have to pay the bills. It feels so close, but I know I can’t know the day or hour. And I honestly am scared too, because I wouldn’t dare presume to know God’s mind and how he feels about me. God Bless you all. Thanks for this site.

  158. Vic

    Welcome to our group Anthony.

  159. jesusforme7

    Anthony, I feel your pain!!! Most of your post has applied to myself, keep focused on Christ, Christ, Christ!!! I am sick of this world too!
    Father, I lift up Anthony to you in prayer and cover over him with your love, peace, patience, strength, and joy. May you always be there for him. Let him know that you are there. Endure in Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Jesus conquers and Jesus saves. Persevere, your almost there!
    All is Well!
    Thank you Father!!! In Jesus name, Amen
    Read you Bible.
    The Lord brought me to this page for you;
    God Calling
    Edited by A.J.Russel
    `Oct.30, The Hardest Lesson
    Wait and you shall realize the Joy of the one who can be calm and wait, knowing that all is well. The last, and hardest lesson, is that of waiting. So wait.

    I would almost say tonight “Forgive Me, children, that I allow this extra burden to rest upon you even for so short a time.”

    I would have you know this, that from the moment you placed all in My Hands, and sought no other aid, from that moment I have taken the quickest way possible to work out your salvation, and to free you.

    There is so much you have had to be taught — to avoid future disaster. But the Friend with whom you stand by the grave of failure, of dead ambitions, of relinquished desires, that Friend is a Friend for all time.
    Use this waiting time to cement the Friendship with Me, and to increase your Knowledge of Me.

    Our soul waiteth for the Lord: he is our help and our shield. Psalm 33:20

    Keep lookin’ up!
    ~Rod

  160. Hisown1

    Have you guys been sensing from the Holy Sprit that something is just not ” right”? ( and that we will know what that is pretty soon here?)

    The Lord has called me to schedule a meeting this morning with three prayer partners and am overwhelmed by the ” urgency” I have in my spirit.

    Thank-you for praying as you read this.

    Iran to deploy warships to Mediterranean in show of force

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-to-deploy-warships-to-mediterreanean-in-show-of-force/

  161. Justasheep

    Yes Hisown the presence of evil in the world seems to be descending like a thickening fog all around us. The enemy is pulling out every trick he can because he knows his time is short.

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